Shopping for Pedal assemblies

[SDMAN]

Currently looking at some Tilton pieces. Open to look at other manufacturers, providing they offer what I need. Dual M/C with B-bar for the brake side and a single M/C for the clutch. Remote reservoir type preferred. Pedals need to hang down (no floor mount) and M/C's must be on the engine side of the firewall. Im using Baer F/R 6 piston monoblocks, so the pedal ratio & M/C sizes must work with those calipers.

Any Tilton dealers on this site?

[SDMAN]

OK, Ill venture a guess that due to underwelming response, there arent any Tilton dealers posting here. After spending a bit of time looking into other possibilities, can anyone who has used CNC brake parts let me know about build quality of that brand. Im not familiar with them, but they seem to have a pretty good selection of parts.

Anyone?

[Olav]

Not Tilton but......

https://www.burtonpower.com/product_main.aspx?prodLanding.aspx?CCode=PC060

Hope this helps....they stock more than listed. Give them a call. Shipping is no problem. Have shipped overseas to me several times.

Olav

[chicane67]

Well... if your looking for a Tilton assembly.... there is only one currently available that meet's your requirements. All components are available through ATS (http://www.t56kit.com/)

The Tilton 72-601 (http://www.tiltonracing.com/content.php?page=list2&id=4&m=b).

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If you have/want remote resevoirs... you will need to run their '76' series masters: (http://www.tiltonracing.com/content.php?page=list2&id=24&m=b)

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Along with Tiltons 72-570 triple resevoir: (http://www.tiltonracing.com/content.php?page=list2&id=438&m=b)

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Or... Tiltons 72-571/572 (http://www.tiltonracing.com/content.php?page=list2&id=437&m=b) screw on resevoir:

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Or CV Products screw on resevoirs... which look just like the Tilton units.

Or Chuck (http://cncbrakes.com/) has these available:

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I am using Tilton's 72-601 with their 76 series masters (0.75, 0.875 and 1.0") along with their remote bais adjuster and CV Products resevoirs in my 67.

I also have about 25+ years of experience with CNC. I have known Chuck and his brother (which started Neal Brakes when they split.) They are more centered around dirt... but they have played around in left hand turn stuff and some late model road stuff as well. They have a few kits out there that they produce for other companies for light to moderate road racing... I dunno... what do you really want to know ??



Sorry to hear that you are using Baer's monoblocks... I hope you dont have any of the associated problems with them that Baer is... but since you are going to use them, you most likely will and I hope you are prepared to deal with the related issues.

It would also be a good idea to get a new 3/16" line made for the rear. It will make bias and pressure to volume ratios much eaiser to deal with/balance.

[SDMAN]

Appreciate the responses.

To late on the monoblocks. Have the kits. Car is a ground up, so no brake lines to replace. Will be making new ones. I dont spend a lot of time on-line, so Im not familiar with whatever issues you're referring to on these calipers. Care to enlighten me? Baer is local to me.

Those Tilton parts are the exact ones I was looking at (3 chamber remote res).

As for CNC, their pedals, M/C's, etc offerings are pretty extensive. Was only interested in hearing about their build quality.

Ill check out the other source as well (thanks Olav).

[chicane67]

Inline Tube (http://www.inlinetube.com/) and Classic Tube (http://www.classictube.com/index.asp) both make direct fit, pre-bent lines in steel and/or stainless in any diameter you specify. I ordered my 3/16" rear line for about $65 and had it in three days.

Baer... along with the other well known companies that went in on their 'monoblock' deal... are having major prblems with pad taper, knock back and the piston's rocking in their bore... all of which leads to premature wear and damage to costly components in no time. Not to mention they weight eleventy billion pounds... which offsets performance gain on multiple levels. I think the 6S caliper alone by itself weighs more than my six pot AP and its 14.25" rotor combined. Not to mention that in my belief and opinion, a 14" six pot on the rear of any front engine rear drive chassis is in no case justifiable or necessary... but actually quite stupid. Good for the bling... bad for the wallet... and impresses only those who dont know any better. Its one obvious case of "bigger isnt always better."

Im not talking smack either... in fact I have known Hal and Todd for 15+ years and am a true believer in them and their product line... but the monoblocks themselves are going through some growing pang's right now.

CNC's products are very stout and robust... and that is one of the main reasons that the offroad community uses them extensively. They dont have the finish like some of the other company's do... but this is a case of function over form. From a durability respect... the reason alone that the offroad guys like the product so much is that CNC's stuff doesnt brake when used to the limits of most other similar products. And honestly, I know of no other environment that is as abusive as Pro and Trophy Truck racing. Good stuff...

Now... are you aware that the Tilton triple resevoir is $750 by itself ??

[rjsjea]

Good info Chicane67....


$750 for the reservoir......:rolleyes: dang

[jerome]

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http://www.wilwood.com/Products/005-PedalAssemblies/002-FSMP/dual/index.asp

This is what i was looking at getting

[SDMAN]

I am very aware that Tilton is extremely proud of everything they make. Extremely!

Thus my interest in the CNC line of parts. A little more down to earth pricing along with a very good selection. I especially like their pressurized reservoir caps. Very handy in those bleed the brakes by yourself situations (which I frequently find myself in). I will order some of the CNC stuff next week to get it here.

I am a design consultant, and work exclusively in new prouct developement. And I know all to well that there are ALWAYS issues and problems that you could not have forseen with early version production parts. Just the nature of the beast. So I guess I understand where Baer is, and we will see if they get it sorted out over time.

On the bling vs function....well, Im a realist and not afraid to admit that some of the things Im doing might have a slight tilt to the bling side. Its all part of the 'Look at me' side of having a car like this. But I also try to keep that to a minimum.

Thanks for the additional info.

[chicane67]

Tilton isnt so bad... but the resevoir itself ?? Very proud to say the least.

Chuck has always had the cool little gadgets down pat. I too very much like the pressure bleeder cap's and the simplicity in his design. His stuff just makes sense... and it sure has been tested in the most brutal environment, so you can have the confidence in its ability.

As for Baer... I have total and complete confidence that the solutions are already in place. Hal, Todd and company... havent gotten to where they are at by sitting on their laurels.

I cant blame anyone for bling... because it sure does have a certain feeling to it !! With your product selection... it sounds like you have a killer ride in process...

[silver69camaro]

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http://www.wilwood.com/Products/005-PedalAssemblies/002-FSMP/dual/index.asp

This is what i was looking at getting

Those work great for me.

[James OLC]

With the '67 build we used the Tilton setup (900-series, firewall mount) and the CV products remote reservoirs which offer alot of flexibility IMHO. The Tilton assemblies and reservoirs are, as Mr. Chicane67 pointed out, available from Tyler at ATS.

AP also has a couple of killer pedal boxes, as does Brembo, which are apparently on par with the Tilton pieces but both are a little more difficult to source (again IMHO) and require a slightly greater investment.

The quality of the Tilton parts are exceptional - it's really impressive when you see that each individual M/C has been hand assembled, blueprinted, and then tagged with the specs and shim thickness used. You do get what you pay for.

[DLinson]

I used the Wilwood pedal assembly above on my Nova. I like them. I milled off the pads and welded on some billet pads and offset them to the left a little more to make more room for the gas pedal. I polished them up and they look good too. The balance bar setup is easy to adjust. I tested my Nova on a brake tester we manufacture and was able to adjust the front to rear bias quickly. I am going to replace my composite master cylinders with three alluminum MC's with 3/4" bores to get some more line pressure. I let my wife drive the car the other day and she really complained about the pedal effort. The existing MC's are 3/4" for the clutch, 7/8" for the front, and 1" for the rear. I am using Willwood 4 piston calipers with 1.75" daimeter pistions with 11.75" diameter rotors up front. On the rear I am using PBR calipers from a 96 Z28 with the 11.5" rotors. If you need the MC's, I'll give you a deal.

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Dennis

[jerome]

dlinson,

lokar pull up ebrake on left...
what's the other handle for?

[DLinson]

That is for my trunk release.

Dennis