How many LS serpentine systems available?

[Nine Ball]

I've been seeing new belt accessory drive systems pop up here and there, but how about we start a thread with info and photos of each? In other words, I'm shopping for a system. :)

Tony

[Nine Ball]

Here are some:

ATS (www.T56kit.com) "Sidewinder" $3600

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Billet Specialties (www.billetspecialties.com) "True-Trac" $2495

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Synister Products (www.synisterproducts.com) $2499

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Zoops (www.zoops.com) "Posi-Trak" $2450

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[DJW32]

Detroit Speed (www.detroitspeed.com) $3499

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22095&d=1204045933

[CamaroLance]

March also has an LS setup now. Not sure about the price though.

http://www.marchperf.com/ls-1_new.html

[JMarsa]

Schwartz Performance (www.schwartzperformance.com) $2595

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[Matt@Texas-Speed]

GM's supposed to finally release their serpentine kits this year (after having them in the 2007 catalog with no availability all year). The March kit is the only other one I've had first hand experience with so far. It was a nice kit IMO (not as bling as several others listed though if that's what you're wanting).

[ProdigyCustoms]

We have these two

March

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Vintage Air

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[Nine Ball]

The DSE and Schwartz kits above look like variations of the Wegner kit. (www.wegnerautomotive.com) $2995

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22097&stc=1&d=1204072051

[DB Z28]

They are

[John McIntire]

nice, but exspensive! Can you get a setup without an AC compressor?

[tellyv]

you are correct sir, wegner builds them call casey wegner to get pricing (920)394-3558 they look and work awesome I put one of there systems on my 69 showtruck.

[Nine Ball]

nice, but exspensive! Can you get a setup without an AC compressor?

Pretty much all of them are available without A/C or power steering. But, I only listed the fully optioned setups to compare them.

[rchaskin]

Why do DSE and Wegner route to the top of the waterpump pulley.
Are there standard and reverse rotation pumps for lsx like the lt1?

Does anyone have a pic of stock LS2 with GTO accessories in a first gen Camaro or 68-72 Nova

[andrewb70]

Why do DSE and Wegner route to the top of the waterpump pulley.


Those particular kits are pictured with the Stewart water pump that is standard rotation.

Andrew

[4MuscleMachines]

My personal fav is the Vintage Air in satin black/anodized.

[datsbad]

My personal fav is the Vintage Air in satin black/anodized.

Anyone have a pic of this one in black ?

[ProdigyCustoms]

There is no promotional pictures in black, but I will have a pic soon Jason as I have one ordered for a project.

[hotrdblder]

it blows my mind dse/schwartz use old school alt fan and a plain ass water pump pulley, my money is on ats,billet,synister

[Van B]

Mine was one of the first Wegner setups sold. Came with a different alternator with no fan. Any potential problems with no fan on the alt.?

[James OLC]

I've got the ATS Sidewinder setup. I'll post a vid of it on Katech's dyno as soon as I have the disc in hand (dyno run was just finished). I should have pictures about the same time. It's a race what will get here first - the big box or the little box...

Advantages of the Sidewinder system (besides proven performance at 7,000+ RPM):

ATI harmonic super dampener
Sanden SD-7 A/C compressor
Powermaster 140 amp alternator
Lee Engineering power steering pump
Revised GM water pump casting with 8 vane scrolled impeller


Of all the aftermarket options (imho) it is the only system that puts performance first and looks second. It may not be for everybody but I think it is best total package available today.

[4MuscleMachines]

There is no promotional pictures in black, but I will have a pic soon Jason as I have one ordered for a project.
You are correct, it wasn't a promo pic but I have seen one several times but I can't recall where. I will look it up and post the pic when I find it.

[chicane67]

Please do...

[xssive99]

Synister makes a very nice product though $$$

[CamaroLance]

Does anybody have any pricing info on the Vintage Air Frontrunner? I was curious how their price stacked up against everyone elses.

[76LQ9TA]

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I made my own brackets. The compressor I am going to use is from a 1996 Impala SS. I have a LQ9 engine with the 98 corvette waterpump and a LS6 intake. I can send people the drawings I used. Everything was made from 1/2" aluminum and 1" aluminum tubing for spacers. My email is [email protected]

[vp23271]

I just posted something the other day, but I will post it here too so forum members can do a side by side comparison.

The body of the prior post is below:
Has anyone seen/used this set up before? Any opinions?

It relocates the AC compressor from the stock location that interferes with the front cross member on the first gen Camaro's (and many others).

For those that want to keep all the stock GM brackets and only want to relocate the AC compressor, this might be a solution. Might be an inexpensive solution to the LS1 and LS2 engines you find at the salvage yard and want to drop into a 60's or 70's muscle car. Most motors from the salvage yard already have all the accessories already installed, just need to relocate the AC.

My concern is the 2 pulleys before and after the AC compressor. Does it look too tight for the tensioner to move?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&it em=330234151137 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=330234151137)

http://www.kwikperf.com/pdf/ad2y_ins...structions.pdf (http://www.kwikperf.com/pdf/ad2y_installation_instructions.pdf)

[vp23271]

FYI: I also got an email response from the manufacture about my question of possible clearance/movement issues with the tensioner pulley. His response is below.

about your concern about the tensioner travel. It is free to move over its full range. With no belt, the two pulleys look pretty close, but they don't touch. The Corvette tensioner is slightly different than the Camaro, and isn't quite so close. With the belt installed, everything is a comfortable distance apart.

[romar 02 SS]

I just purchased that bracket off of Ebay. I'm waiting on an idler pulley from GM. I will try to post pix after install.Larry

[zo66]

i also am looking at the camaro bracket,i talked with the guys at kwick they were very helpful.please post some pics when you get it in.

[69 Ghost]

I am also interested in this. I had a Sanden setup on my vintage air only to remove it when I went to a serpentine on my gen 1 setup. It would be nice if they had a similiar bracket for the stock a/c compressor. Having gone through this before I am almost ready to notch the frame but have been searching for the best setup to use with factory accessories.

[romar 02 SS]

Heres the pix. Hope this works.http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/Romar73Ventura/?action=view&current=DSCN0733.jpghttp://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/Romar73Ventura/?action=view&current=DSCN0734.jpghttp://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/Romar73Ventura/?action=view&current=DSCN0732.jpghttp://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/Romar73Ventura/?action=view&current=DSCN0736.jpg

[ScotI]

Man I was bummed as I read through there & saw it was only for LS Vette accessories...... Then I kept reading all the way to the end & noticed that only the item in that as was for the Vette LS accessory drive. They offer one of these for the truck accessory drive system too.

I think I'll place an order on Tuesday. That will solve my LS compressor w/aftermarket air issue & not kill the bargain the drivetrain was bought for (having to get a March serp system would have added a lot to the cost & they're the cheapest set-up that's looks decent).

Thanks for sharing the info!

[Most Wanted]

Vic edelbrock uses the Billet Specialties Setup.
Pat Musi uses the Billet Specialties Setup.
Roush Uses the Billet Specialties Setup.

Kind of makes you think whose the best kit on the market.

[romar 02 SS]

Is that a rhetorical question????? Just kidding. I agree Billet Specialties has a great setup, however I just wanted to move the AC compressor to a location it would fit. I'm happy with the factory accessories I have and I don't think Billet Specialties sells only an AC relocation bracket, you have to buy the whole accessory drive system. So far I'm happy with the bracket I have. Only time will tell. Larry

[loweredd]

:firefire: I bit the bullet and ordered a Synister kit. The A/C from my 98 LS1 wouldn't even bolt to the engine with TD swap plates, and I wanted the A/C hooked up. I didnt have it hooked up on the LT1. PLUS, I didnt want to have to make super goofy headers for the turbo. I wanted to keep those simple and fairly straight. This kit is awesome! I got the black anodized kit. The belt is forward from the stock kit only about the width of the serpentine belt itself. If I had to do it again, I WOULD!!

[70 Chevelle]

Anyone have pics of the black anodized vintage air set up ?

[saunacrank]

so theres an LS2 for sale over in the classifieds, and I wanna buy it and just want a kit that has bare minimum of what i need, therefor no ac compressor, no waterpump, just the ps pump, alternator, pulleys, and tensioner

[loweredd]

Each of the companies mentioned in this thread have kits with whatever you want.....are you looking for stock components, or billet aluminum stuff.......??:wedgie: LOL. j/p:lmao:

[kaptainkw]

One set-up not yet mentioned is to use S&P pulleys on the factory Vette stuff. I've got an LS2 Vette engine going into a '68 Camaro Convertible with an Art Morrison sub-frame. :bananna2:

I wanted to use the factory Vette stuff and add the Sanden 508 in the factory location (low passenger side). This allows me to "bundle" the AC and heater hose lines and route them between the fender and apron... out-of-site!!!

The problem is the Vette accessories are ~3/4" closer to the block and the Sanden won't clear the motor mount (the compressor is on its own belt). S&P makes a bracket and pulleys that move everything onto the main belt. Add billet pulleys for the tensoners, P/S pump, alternator, crank and water pump and you're good to go! Polish the factory Vette Alternator, P/S pump, bracket and whala... bling for far less than one of the above. S&P makes some nice stuff although they are quite proud of it too! I'll probably have ~$650 into the billet pulleys.

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