Paypal sucks!

[rohrt]

I'm not a big time ebayer by any means but I do use it from time to time. I recently sold a gold coin.

Ebay fees = $6.50
Paypal fees = $27

Total = $33.50

Now I'm not to worked up over the ebay fees. I could have saved a few bucks on certain options, but 27 bucks just to recieve money are you kidding me. Now I understand why so many ebayers say "Absolutly no PAYPAL".

What do you guys do in lieu of paypal? What is the safest and most convienent way to recieve payment for somthing if I don't have a way to accept credit cards?

Just looking for advice down the road. Thanks

[Steve1968LS2]

You think that's bad.. you're luck the buyer didn't claint your gold coin was fake. In that case Paypal would have taken the money back from your account and refunded the buyer. Then the buyer could send you back a fake coin and keep the real one you sent.

And there's not one thing you could do about it. Paypal most always sides with the buyer. I hate Paypal

[Bow Tie 67]

Postal money order!!

[dropit69]

i see some people put in ad that if paying by paypal that they will have to pay the fee that you are charged..not sure how well that works though..there are othyer pay services but im sure they are all around the same percent..just google some and see..

[rohrt]

Steve

You got me scared now. I still have the coin in my pocket. I'm sending it out today.

[Tony_SS]

$27 dollars? That means you sold the coin for about $950.

$27 is not a horrible cut to receive $950. In that case I would have requested a Postal Money order

Steve you do have a point.. ... but would you as a buyer feel safe sending a $950 money order to seller who could send out a fake gold coin?

[Steve1968LS2]

$27 dollars? That means you sold the coin for about $950.

$27 is not a horrible cut to receive $950. In that case I would have requested a Postal Money order

Steve you do have a point.. ... but would you as a buyer feel safe sending a $950 money order to seller who could send out a fake gold coin?

My problem is that Paypal will almost always take the word of the buyer.

Would you feel safe sending out a $950 coin knowing the buyer could claim it was a fake, keep the coin AND get a forced refund?

Now, only a tiny percent of people are crooked but it only takes one to ruin your day. lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve

You got me scared now. I still have the coin in my pocket. I'm sending it out today.

The chances of the guy being a crook is slim, I wouldn't worry too much.

[Tony_SS]

My problem is that Paypal will almost always take the word of the buyer.

Would you feel safe sending out a $950 coin knowing the buyer could claim it was a fake, keep the coin AND get a forced refund?

Now, only a tiny percent of people are crooked but it only takes one to ruin your day. lol

Paypal does almost always side with the buyer.. which I don't think is fair either but that's who they are catering to, especially lately with their new policies.

I do think the buyer should be liable for at least 1/2 the Paypal fee's though for their protection and conveince in the whole transaction.

[TitoJones]

You want to see scary? Read this:

http://www.paypalsucks.com/

I never accept paypal, and I have closed any account that was associated with them.

Tyler

[slownova]

being in the same town paypals based out of, ive heard it all. alot of the workers got framed pics of the ceo on thier desks like its family....

[69Pony]

Funny I've never had a problem with Paypal and think their fee is not excessive at all - this is a profit company. I've used them over 20 times w/o issues and recently I sold a center console for $315 and it cost me just under $9 to do so. I received the money immediately and then moved it to my personal account. As always, it was a simple transaction that took no time and effort to complete.

If you are upset with their costs - add 5% to the total price to get your net price. Simple really.....

When using Paypal to buy something I always charge it to my Mastercard. Don't believe the hype that you waive your credit card rights when you use one with Paypal. That agreement is between you and the credit card company and Paypal has no say in that.

On the other hand I have been screwed with money orders. With today's printers and PCs you can make a real good fake money order.

[rohrt]

Well in for a penny in for a pound.

I sent the coin off Priority Mail with $900 of insurance and Delivery Confirmation.
Ebay fees = $6.50
Paypal fees = $27.53
Shipping through the postal service $14.11
New grand total = $48.14 off the original $939 winning bid. I had Free shipping listed. It didn't really help drive the bid any higher from what I could see.

I could have bought a new fuel pump and pre-bent line with that $48.

[69Pony]

OK but you can now buy 40+ fuel pumps and pre-bent lines with the almost $900 you just got.... The same $900 you would not have if you hadn't sold the coin in the first place.

Half empty or half full - all depends on your view....

[Tony_SS]

C'mon.. you're like the lady with a Virginia Ham under her arm crying cause she's got no bread.

[Hidro]

C'mon.. you're like the lady with a Virginia Ham under her arm crying cause she's got no bread.

ROFL :slap:

[rohrt]

:nopity: I need every penny. $900 won't strech very far.:crying:

[justasquid]

Just an FYI. If you decided to ask for the extra that paypal charges, Your ad could get cancelled. It's in the contract with ebay that you sign up for when you started your account. I didn't know this and placed and ad stating just that.: " If you pay with paypal, you will be responsible for the 3 percent that paypal charges me. "" I found out from a buyer letting me know the rules. I checked it, and sure enough, it is in there. you cant ask for paypal charges.

Oh, and for unreal charges. Look at a vehicle charge. I sold a motorcycle on there about a year ago. 40 dollar insertion fee, 10 dollars for listing fees, then another 40 dollars for a final value fee once the bike sold. 90 bucks regardless of how much the bike sold for. Actually, I think it was over 100 total after everything was said and done. And, I think the charges are now 50 instead of 40.

anyway, it is expensive. But I guess you can't get that kind of exposure for your products anywhere else. But somebody sure is getting rich aweful fast.

[JMarsa]

You think that's bad.. you're luck the buyer didn't claint your gold coin was fake. In that case Paypal would have taken the money back from your account and refunded the buyer. Then the buyer could send you back a fake coin and keep the real one you sent.

And there's not one thing you could do about it. Paypal most always sides with the buyer. I hate Paypal

Got any more coins for sale? :idea: :ripped: :evil:

Just kidding.

--JMarsa

[Restomod]

I look at it like this, could you have sold the locally for the same $?
If not you did good.......
If so you should have and made the extra $......
I sell stuff on Ebay I would have to throw away locally so the fees are ok. Also I have a seperate (always empty) account for PayPal, I transfer to my bank I then transfer it to my regular account.

[Dreamin69]

I sold a perfectly good wakeboard on Ebay just before christmas and the buyer said it was damaged when he received it. The item had shipping insurance but he thought that I should be the one that should file the claim with UPS. I did not have the board, Why should I file the claim. He would not send me pictures of the damaged box. He filed a claim with Paypal and with in 10 days they decided that he should get a refund. He did have to send the board back to me at his expence though. When I got the board back the danaged was so defined and clean that I don't feel that it could have happened in a box.

[BlownBigBlock]

As someone mentioned, you cannot, I repeat cannot say in your ebay auction that if buyer is paying thru paypal he is to pay xtra % to cover the fees to buyer. That's a major no-no...

[Bow Tie 67]

What do you work for Ebay? F*** them, I have never had a problem but I see the fee thing all the time.

The best way to cover fees is to use an exorbatant shipping fee to cover it. The buyers can see your shipping fee right up front and bid accordingly. Oh and shipping does not get the ebay tax!! ( final value fees )


As someone mentioned, you cannot, I repeat cannot say in your ebay auction that if buyer is paying thru paypal he is to pay xtra % to cover the fees to buyer. That's a major no-no...

[Young Gun]

set up another paypal account...send the money from the accound it is in to the new account and it cant be touched...while that is what most scammers do, it works...paypal wont touch the money in the other account, I do that if I ever sell anything on ebay, its too easy for people to claim you sold them a fake, or a bad item or whatever...If I know I was honest and legit, I have no problems at all

[barno68]

You think that's bad.. you're luck the buyer didn't claint your gold coin was fake. In that case Paypal would have taken the money back from your account and refunded the buyer. Then the buyer could send you back a fake coin and keep the real one you sent.

And there's not one thing you could do about it. Paypal most always sides with the buyer. I hate Paypal

Boy, that is opposite of my experience with Paypal. Every claim I have filed for partial shipments and such they have sided with the seller, even with forwarding all the emails for the sellers saying they would take care of it. I had one where Paypal said to ship back what I received for a refund... my outlay for the initial shipping the return would have been over $120 and I would have had nothing to show for it! Yet the seller could turn around and resell the item with no money lost. My wife is trying to get money back from a non shipped item, they will side with her, but if the money is not there she is screwed. It is most defenitely an imperfect system.

[BlownBigBlock]

What do you work for Ebay?

Dude, don't get your panties tied in a knot, just stating facts...

Sellers may not charge ebay buyers an additional fee for their use of ordinary forms of payment, including acceptance of checks, money orders, electronic transfers or credit cards. Such costs should be built into the price of the item.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation
Limits on account privileges
Account suspension
Forfeit of ebay fees on cancelled listings
Loss of PowerSeller status
Some Examples Hide

Not permitted:
Charging an extra fee to use a credit card instead of a check.
Charging an extra fee to use Paypal.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/user_online-1.gif

[Yelcamino]

Speaking of ebay and paypal, has anyone ever bought anything on ebay using a credit card instead of paypal? I just bought some valve covers and decided to use my cc but when I finished the confirmation steps my receipt said to contact the seller to complete the transaction. I figured I could punch in my cc info but I guess not.

[MuscleRodz]

Ebay owns paypal if you did not know. They charge for every transaction the equivilent of average cc fees which is 3%. Not much different than fees associated with Western Union. Yes Paypal sucks, but so many people use it, you almost can't go without it. Once paid, I always remove most the money so it can't be touched. I hate it, but many of our customers pay with Paypal and it is instant.

Ebay is what has become a fraud. If you read the fine print, it is possible to incur charges for 1 auction that near 20% commission.

[smooth68]

You can no longer accept money orders or bank checks on ebay...You can ONLY use paypal or credit cards through paypal....Hows that for a monopoly???!!!

[FirstGenZq8]

You can no longer accept money orders or bank checks on ebay...You can ONLY use paypal or credit cards through paypal....Hows that for a monopoly???!!!

whoa! when did that happen? i'm searching ebay now, any chance you can link me to this new policy?

[Flash68]

I have used paypal hundreds of times on ebay, between friends, amazon, etc etc. It is nearly universally accepted these days. Like someone said, if you don't like it, don't use the service (ebay) that is requiring it. They reserve the right to refuse service to you! :D

Go sell it in your local newspaper if you think it's a better value.

[Tony_SS]

I have used paypal hundreds of times on ebay, between friends, amazon, etc etc. It is nearly universally accepted these days. Like someone said, if you don't like it, don't use the service (ebay) that is requiring it. They reserve the right to refuse service to you! :D

Go sell it in your local newspaper if you think it's a better value.

Or craigslist - its free!

For those who are anti-paypal there is Propay:
https://epay.propay.com/

And Moneygram
http://www.moneygram.com/MGI/index.htm

Ebay takes both of these.

[fantasygoat]

I got scammed on fordmuscle.com for an intake for my car, and Paypal found for me, but wouldn't give me back my $100! So forget that bull**** "protection" they provide.

[Yelcamino]

I just mailed the business a money order. The ebay receipt said I could do that if I didn't want to use paypal.

[DriverzInc]

Agreed, PayPal does suck, but I have to agree with Mike here, you almost have to use, or, in my case accept PayPal if you are going to sell online. Too many people use it, and are for some reason too afraid to just pick up the phone and pay over the phone with a credit card. I get that a lot. And PayPal will always side with the buyer, regardless. I'm in a lawsuit right now over 7K dollars worth of Forgeline Wheels and Michelin Tires that a customer claimed he never received. Even though I have emails direct from the customer showing me the wheels on his car and thanking me for them! Can you believe that crap? So you think being out 900 bucks for a coin is potentially bad. Try being out 9000 dollars. He just called his credit card company and denied ever receiving them, and he was credited in 10 mins. My lawyer has been fighting to get back that money now for 4 months!
Ya know, you want to trust everyone and believe that people want to do the right thing, but when crap like this goes down, you begin to doubt every sale.

[buickfunnycar.com]

You're still fighting that A-hole in FL Jon...?The idiot who sent Forgeline pics of his car with their wheels on them...?What an azzhat...!

I told you my offer for some of my NY relatives in waste management still stands...all I need is a shoe size and all's good.:smoke:

[Tony_SS]

I'm a seller, and Paypal had sided with me on numerous occasions. A buyer says he never received and item, files a dispute, I show tracking and its dropped. I proved delivery and they sided with me.

When I bought some springs off Ebay, the were completely wrong and the seller offered no help or a return. So I simply filed a dispute, sent them back and my money was refunded soon as they were confirmed delivered.

[monza]

I'm also a seller, I hate it! Paypal has screwed me sooo many times but as said before in this thread I have to take it.

The newest scam I'm seeing is a huge amount of Mastercard fraud, sellers careful on Mastercard. We now phone MC on any internet purchase to confirm.

[Mossimo777]

Accepting paypal is not an option, its mandatory with ebay now. Seems like double dipping to me.