Complete welded SRG-FORCE chassis for 1st gen

[rdplyr]

What do you guys think of this company's product? http://www.streetrodgarage.com

It is a full chassis for the 1st gen camaro. Would you go with something like this for a 1st gen project?

[Project69]

Looks nice but alot of people like the morrison frame the best, schwartz also put out a sweet looking frame.

[wendell]

I'd weld a big snow mobile engine to it and drive it around my farm for a weekend.
Seriously, it's got ****ing ladder bars and a "reverse watts link" that was designed by IKEA. Mercy.

[shudog]

I've been looking at some of the exact same setups myself. I haven't found alot of support for these full frames. Most guys use modified stockers with excellent results for much less money. I don't know though.

[rdplyr]

yeah. I am not sure if this might be overkill for a street car with light track time. I am thinking maybe a front clip setup and a gbar 4 link in the rear.

[wendell]

It might be slight overkill for the snowmobile powered go kart I was planning but it's UNDERKILL for a car that you care about.

[shudog]

So everyone that's running a stock frame car on this board doesn't care about their cars? Not trying to antagonize, just trying to learn. My post count shows my level of inexperience on this board.

[wendell]

You're miss understanding me because I'm being a *****. My fault. Based on the pictures on that web site, I'm saying the stock Camaro subframe and tub is in every way imaginable, SUPERIOR. The frame in those pics would be slight OVERKILL for a go kart but probably slight UNDERKILL for a well developed lawn mower (depending on the size of the mower deck).

The PT fad is dripping with money and there is no shortage of "experts" to harvest said money.

[derekf]

Wendell, assume that I'm an idiot (because I am) and that I'm not an engineer (because I'm not) -- what's wrong with their chassis? Is it just a matter of insufficient strength?

5/16" wall tubing seems pretty beefy for the outer side bar but I'm not sure what they mean with "our exclusive inner structure supports every 10" throughout the frame rail" -- are they saying they put supports inside the boxed rails?

I'm not in the market for one of these - my car came with a boxed frame - so my question is more from an intellectual standpoint than from a comparison shopping perspective.

[wendell]

I doubt you're an idiot and I'm not a mechanical engineer eiter (chemical). That said, I am a student of the art. Out of all the goofy suspension/ frame packages out there, I'm not sure why this one got me going, it's probably not much worse than the rest. But hell, I've gone this far...

I'm sure it's plenty strong enough. I didn't even notice the 5/16" spec! Hell you could probably use it to built one of those "Mule" tractors to drive compost around the yard. I don't think it would break, but if it was used to build an actual car I don't think it would turn, stop or accellarate either. Those are all nice things for a car.

The super short ladder bar rear suspension (does that even count as suspension?) is a red flag. The promise of multiple IRS options doesn't make me feel any better. The "adjustable watts links (?)" with out an adjustable watts link is interesting. And up front you get the mustangII stuff that fell off their last 32 Ford project. Chrome it, put air bags on it, do what ever you want to it. It's not for me.

Sorry about the ranting. I should get back to the garage and work on my own set of problems instead of goofing on some one elses.

[David Pozzi]

The rear doesn't look good at all for cornering use. I don't have a problem with the Watts, but only two lift arms is strictly drag race stuff and if they don't understand that, then what else was missed? The overall fabrication looks nice, but the front crossmember area shows no concern for torsional rigidity similar or worse than a Martz sub frame. When you look down from the top and see the floor, the crossmember isn't going to resist twist.
David

I see they have other options for rear suspension, a good 4 or 3 link would be nice. Just fix the front frame.
Imagine a pair of giant hands grabbing each side of this and twisting it...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/01/camaro13-1.jpg

[Hot Rod]

Ran across this.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/01/camaro1JPG-1.jpg
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=111

[buickfunnycar.com]

interesting...:cool:

[Boulder69]

Something tells me those ladder bars can't be good for cornering.....

[deuce]

pretty cool i just sent for info on that , i happen to in the market for a chassis

[Hot Rod]

Something tells me those ladder bars can't be good for cornering.....

I do not know anything about it. But, kinda looks little like Bad Penny.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[MarkM66]

I do not know anything about it. But, kinda looks little like Bad Penny.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

BP uses an upper link. This car does not, like stated, more a ladder bar. Not the same at all.

[streetrodgarage]

Something tells me those ladder bars can't be good for cornering.....

Actually more on the lines of a truck arm setup. Nascar uses something like it and they seem to corner pretty good. We also offer an upper link, parallel 4 link, triangulated 4 link, c4 vette and 9" Ford IRS as well. This is just one option available. This is our prototype frame. Thanks for your comment.

[streetrodgarage]

I do not know anything about it. But, kinda looks little like Bad Penny.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

BP is very nice. Nice rear setup for sure but watts links have been around a long time (actually done my first one in 1985). Thanks for your comment.

[hotrdblder]

anything with mii front susp is made for a street rod.

[streetrodgarage]

BP uses an upper link. This car does not, like stated, more a ladder bar. Not the same at all.

Again BP is a nice ride for sure and a really good setup. First time I have even seen the car is in this post. (We dont frequent the forums). We do actually offer an upper link for this setup as well along with standard 4 link, triangulated 4 link and several IRS setups including c-4. If you notice the lower bars are angled like what a truck arm setup would be. Ladder bars are normally parallel and use a panhard bar that will actually pull your rearend to one side unlike a watts link that will keep it centered. Thanks again for your comments and It amazes me when I look around and see the talent thats out there in building these cars. Hope to start hanging around here a little more.

[streetrodgarage]

anything with mii front susp is made for a street rod.

Actually the only thing must 2 on it is the spindles and we offer it with the Wilwood spindles and also C-4 and C-5 Vette. Will any of those pass?

[streetk14]

Welcome to the Site & I am glad to see more and more chassis products coming out for our cars. Hopefully this is one that is well-engineered and can throw down some good performance numbers.

There are a lot of amazing and trend-setting cars being built by members of this site (Bad Penny is an example). We would love for you to stay around and give us more info on your products. Do you have a test car yet that is finished and driving? If so, I would like to see pictures and technical info.

Andy

[streetrodgarage]

Welcome to the Site & I am glad to see more and more chassis products coming out for our cars. Hopefully this is one that is well-engineered and can throw down some good performance numbers.

There are a lot of amazing and trend-setting cars being built by members of this site (Bad Penny is an example). We would love for you to stay around and give us more info on your products. Do you have a test car yet that is finished and driving? If so, I would like to see pictures and technical info.

Andy

Like I stated this is our prototype chassis and the car that this particular chassis is going under is being built at this time by a customer we have done several chassis for in the past. We will then start releasing test numbers and more and more pics and videos on our site. We are hopeful we can pull some good numbers with it. We will be doing several more with different suspension option in the next few months so we can compare. We will be doing one with c-4 vette, one with c-5 vette and then several rear setups including a couple of IRS.

Listen guys! SRG tries to produce the best, most thoughtout chassis and we are always looking for new and better ways of doing things. With that said, we try to learn something new everyday and by no means do we know it all and if everone would have that attitude it would be alot better.

Questions you may have:
Can SRG build a better chassis than this prototype? Absolutely! But to build a better chassis its going to require floor mods to get some of the geometry better. This customer didnt want to modify anything, thats what we had to work to.

Is this chassis going to perform better than what I've got? Absolutely! Since the day that the first camaro rolled of the lot hot rodders have been trying to make them perform better by reducing the flex. This frame will absolutely do that. The numbers are of the chart as to how much it reduces body/chassis flex. It doesnt matter whos SUSPENSION you have if your car is flexing and twisting its not going to perform at it fullest.

[MrQuick]

Thank you so much for not coming out here and screaming "We are the best". All we need is another threat full of bashing and empty tech promises. Looking forward to more info and testing results.

Get Delane a taller table, poor guys gonna break his back. Nice shop too.

[rdplyr]

I appreciate the responses. This was the interaction I was hoping to get. What is the best choice for suspension options in a 69 camaro pro-touring project. I am planning mainly street with very light track use. Maybe a weekend every now and then. I have two small boys, and we just saved a puppy from the animal shelter for them.

So my camaro time will be limited. hehe. But that doesn't mean I can't build it, and enjoy it when I can!!

[streetrodgarage]

Thank you so much for not coming out here and screaming "We are the best". All we need is another threat full of bashing and empty tech promises. Looking forward to more info and testing results.

Get Delane a taller table, poor guys gonna break his back. Nice shop too.

Thanks for the nice words. We try to be the best and want to be the best. All you can do is give 100% everday and the main thing is to learn something new everyday and never think you know it all. Because if you ever start thinking you know it all you start going backwards. Man there is some awsome talent out there. Amazes me everyday. Delane actually has several tables and if I mention getting him another on he would probably quit. LOL! Hes been with me for 13 years, dont think hes going anywhere.

[GTOnate]

Good luck with the puppy I am sure it has already messed up your carpet by now haha. My youngest siblings live at home with mom still and they got dogs for christmas... Mom is getting new carpet for her BDay!

[wendell]

rdplyr,

I'm done goofing on that contraption. Feel free to PM me for some ideas. In addition, time spent at David Pozzi's web site is well spent. We're both into into making stock first gens screw. The camaro will be much easier than the puppy project.

[rdplyr]

Yeah, the camaro project does what it is told. The puppy and the two young boys are another story:)

I will check out that website. Thanks

[baz67]

streetrodgarage,

Let me remind you of our non-sponsor advertising rule. We do not allow advertising for non-site sponsors. You have not broken it yet, but you are close. Feel free to answer our members questions about your frame, but please avoid any wording about pricing or services of your shop. Also, please be honest about your answers. If you try to BS our members you will be called on it as we have some members who are very much in the know.

[65protourgto]

this was on the lateral-g website and all those guys got up in arms. I want to see more pics,etc...

[BA.]

If we're going to move Duece's thread on the Schwartz chassis to Suspension, then this thread should move there also.


That SRG chassis looks really nice BTW....

[wendell]

Lets roll it into this thread. I'd like to hear the thought process behind the design.
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38224

[David Pozzi]

Done!
Threads are merged.

[TitoJones]

this was on the lateral-g website and all those guys got up in arms. I want to see more pics,etc...

Link? I can't seem to find the thread.

Tyler

[Mkelcy]

Link? I can't seem to find the thread.

Tyler

The thread over there was starting to get pretty nasty, with a lot of back and forth between streetrodgarage and some Lateral-G members, so it was moved to a dead area until a mod could look at it to decide whether to dump it, lock it or let the "debate" continue.

[novanutcase]

SRG - Perfect tone! No cockiness at all! I love it!

Not that you need to please ME at all but I like what you're saying and how your saying it!

Guys I was the b@stard that was breaking SRG's balls over at Lat-g but not so much for the design rather just the 'tude that I perceived he was giving off to some of the members over there. I may have been and probably was a little hard on him but I hate it when people come on with a cocky attitude. Or at least that was my perception at the time. If I was in error then I apologize. I know you felt that you were just "defending" what you put your blood sweat and tears into but I've always found that good product doesn't need defending as tech and numbers will bear out the truth! I won't comment on your product since I think I've taken up enough space on the server on this subject. I hope it performs as you expect it to!

John

[wendell]

Seriously. Just post the roll steer and bump steer numbers. That should wrap this foolishness up.

[baz67]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Seriously. Just post the roll steer and bump steer numbers. That should wrap this foolishness up.