64 Studebaker Lark Daytona

[PhillipM]

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Not sure what were going to do with it but its a sweet little ride:bananna2:

[BRIAN]

Cool car , is that a Rambler wagon under that cover??? Maybe a 62??

[olds87]

Nice ride. I see that you have moved to new place. What going on with the camaro?

[LMDGUY]

I almost purchased this car from the original owner of this car over a year ago. Saw it come back up on craigslist a few weeks ago.. for more money then the first guy wanted. Its a sweet little ride, cant wait to see when comes of it.

[formula98]

Nice project. Is that a 65 Cutlass next to it?

[PhillipM]

Brian- Na under the cover is probably one of the nicest 78 2dr blazers around. It belongs to a friend of ours.

Olds87- so far we are just getting ready to T.I. the new building so at the moment we are just storing future projects there. As for the camaro I packed it up and have yet to get all the parts back out since I've been home. Probably won't be able to work on it until the new shop is finished.

LMDGUY- Its funny that you say that because I looked at this car a year ago also. Don't worry I didn't pay near what he was asking :ssst: .

Formula98- You nailed it... it's a 65 Cutlass F/85. My dad had one in high school so when that sweet ride pulled into are parking lot at the office he wasn't driving home in it! Picked it up for 3 grand and it has zero rust and a nice interior!

[LMDGUY]

cool :jump:

[PhillipM]

Okay so after some good quality blind staring we noticed that the stock wheel wells on this car were pretty big... in fact they are 11" wide!!! So we all know what that calls for.. some trial fiting of some 315's that we had lying around:woot:

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[LMDGUY]

:cool: I likey

[nbecker]

Now thats what im talking about!

[PhillipM]

Yeah Studebaker really had something goin with these rear wheel tubs!!! :) Too bad Chevy wasn't thinking the same way!

[olds87]

What's your planing for the engine?

[69TAPoser]

That's gonna be a cool car. I like the body lines. :twothumbs

Phil

[David Sloan]

That is cool!!

[formula98]

Formula98- You nailed it... it's a 65 Cutlass F/85. My dad had one in high school so when that sweet ride pulled into are parking lot at the office he wasn't driving home in it! Picked it up for 3 grand and it has zero rust and a nice interior!

That's cool! it was my first car in high school also. I had the 442 from 1976 - 1980. I wish I still had it! I like your new project also, but disappointed that the Camaro is in storage.

Ron

[Steve Chryssos]

Very cool body style. Congrats. Howz the trim.

[PhillipM]

The front fender trim has a couple of bangs in it. and I am looking for the driver lower window trim and the trim between the driver window and the rear window. the fender trim can be fixed but I probably won't fix it. we are going to leave it flat black so fixing it would ruin the patina. the engine is a 2.2L turbo'd ecotec w/ a t56. should scoot pretty good.
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[Johnny Blaze]

Is that a lark?

[PhillipM]

yup its a Lark. I am not really up on Studebakers but it may be a daytona... if somebody knows how to tell the difference I would love to know.

[Nitro_Ranger]

This is a Studebaker Commander, but the body is the same or very close.

http://www.hotrods2die4.com/cars/1965_Studebaker_Commander/index.htm

[rickhmn]

interesting old post. Did you ever get anywhere with this car? I just bought a 62 Lark that looks quite a little different but under the skin is very close to the same car. Mine has a re-badged chevy 283 (the Thunderbolt V8) so engine wrok should be easy and cheap. I'm thinking that I'd like to get one of the MustII fornt end setups and put under it before I even start driving it to get some disks up front and get a ball joint front. Just curious if you got it rolling and what worked/didn't

[PhillipM]

I haven't done much with the car except purchase a few parts for it.. Currently we are tossing a 65 Olds together for Power Tour and I still need to finish off a 69 Z thats about 75 percent done. I will be sure to update this post when I get somewhere though!

[Beige]

Daytonas were hardtops while Commanders were post cars. You can see the window frames on the doors of the car that Nitro Ranger posted the link to.

[SPECWARSQUID]

Should be fun when it's done. I love seeing Oddball types all sup'd up with new-tech.

Hey Phil what's the other future project you got stored there next to the Cutlass..............possibly Corvair? :smoke:

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Semper Fortis

[PhillipM]

Yes I do have a Corvair as well.. its a 65. I'm am currently working on finishing my other 69 Z28. I have an old thread there that I will update as soon as I pick the car up from having the cage welded in that I bent up. That car has been sitting un worked on for a number of years as other life things came into play. But I am finally getting to it again.

[Jarcaines]

That Stude is going to look great as a pro-touring car, nice choice of a project!

[Btefer]

It would sure look nice with a ls sittin under the hood....

[craigs73]

just seen this thread you make anymore progress?I like it.

[hechtrod]

Seriously, what craigs said. That looks great with the big meats under it!

[LSXZ28]

Cool ride... don't see one of those everyday... and factory mini-tubs can't be beat!!

[PhillipM]

It would sure look nice with a ls sittin under the hood....

Don't you worry about it a bit... This project is moving along. Albeit slowely it is movin... Collecting parts for this car has proven to be a slow process. Let's face it, getting the hood pull and latch to work was a challenge. Can't exactly 'order' new parts from Year One or Detroit Speed on this one.

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[mikey]

I'll be looking for this in Hot Rods dare to be different issue in the future:cool:

[PhillipM]

I'll be looking for this in Hot Rods dare to be different issue in the future:cool:

I'm thinking of having some renderings done, so yeah that would be cool!

[DMI-dime]

The studpecker LIVES!!!!

[PhillipM]

Well we did have a little time on our hands last night so Paul (my Dad) a couple friends and I did a trial run on the power plant. Have a look :)

2002 LS6 / T56. Is there another way to do it these days? Haha

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Standard issue... The whole tunnel front to back needs to come out. Ugh. Oh well our slip roll will get a work out once again, only this time out of 18g and not 16!

[WILWAXU]

Killer car! nice lines and complete different.

I like it!

[nekkidhillbilly]

neat my papa had a lark with the supercharged engine thing would move

[dcozzi]

I christen thee... Project Rude Stude.

Very cool car to pro-tour. Looks like you are not wasting any time gettin' after it. Nice to see something different and it looks good too.

[WEAVER]

That will be a Bad ass ride when done

[PhillipM]

Thanks guys, we are still ironing out the details but will keep you updated. The only other thing that is a for sure are the wheels, AR Salt Flats 17x11's in the rear. We are contemplating whether to go 16's or 17's in the front. I really like the idea of 16's to give it a little stagger in diameter. What do you guys think?

[joemac]

Cool project I can see the potential. I bet those salt flats will look really good on that. Can't wait to see some renderings.

[PhillipM]

I will see if I can't pull one of the rear wheels down off the mezzanine tonight and bolt it up for a picture. They do look killer..

[Btefer]

So i wonder if the nekkidhillbilly kid has any pictures of his already been done supercharged lark?

[PhillipM]

Guessing since it was his Grandfathers pictures are a little hard to come by.

[DMI-dime]

get any snaps of those wheels phil??

[PhillipM]

get any snaps of those wheels phil??

Man were you talking to Pauly? Here is a quick snap of the wheels...

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[WEAVER]

That's the ticket there

[craigs73]

im really digging this car

[trueimport]

I cant wait to see this project move along some. I love seeing different platforms come to life.

[DMI-dime]

now send the car to the farm kid in iowa for the body and paint!!! hahaha cant wait to make it down and see this car... what you guys bringing for HRPT 10???? since it starts i newton ill have my truck out for atleast the frist leg!!!

[jon72vega]

Cool!
I like it!

[Reckn8]

now send the car to the farm kid in iowa for the body and paint!!! hahaha cant wait to make it down and see this car... what you guys bringing for HRPT 10???? since it starts i newton ill have my truck out for atleast the frist leg!!!

Phillip won't be coming but I'm tossing around the idea of bringing the Olds again for a few stops.

[PhillipM]

now send the car to the farm kid in iowa for the body and paint!!! hahaha cant wait to make it down and see this car... what you guys bringing for HRPT 10???? since it starts i newton ill have my truck out for atleast the frist leg!!!

Farm kid huh... I wasn't aware of your experience in the fields. I'm sure you and Pauly can swap hay tossing stories. Ha!

[PhillipM]

Well we have had a few things moving forward on this project. Ordered the rear end internals from Mark Williams the other day along with the front wheels from American. A friend of mine is a dealer for American so got a smokin deal on those. Hey, every little bit always helps! Also we took a moment to break out our friend Tom's Wheelmate to check the backspace and tire size for the front.

PS, don't worry about the Mustang II suspension, it will be coming out :)

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[The Stickman]

That thing looks so slick.

[PhillipM]

I never even noticed how much the front fender was flared from the factory untill I started bolting some wheels up to it. 315's out back and 255's up front and I haven't done a thing yet. Simply amazing. Where were the Big 3 on those wheel wells back in 64??

[PhillipM]

Got a few things moving this week... Chassis jig is now at our shop and we got this welded up...

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[bigboy]

this is a cool car :headbang:

[CruizinKev]

sweet!! :twothumbs

[Motown 454]

Looking good!!

[MonzaRacer]

HOLLY SHNIKIES Look at those tires under a stock car!!!!!!:drool::woot::headbang::seizure:

[Ratty 46]

Very interesting ...... I like it.

Keep it going .......

Ratty 46

[PhillipM]

Update:

Well over this past weekend we got our friend Bart Spivey's chassis jig set up and the chassis removed from the car. We are now able to place items that we want to use like our LS7 stainless exhaust manifolds and Corvette engine mounts. We also took measurements to order our new frame rails from Autoweld. Below are a few pictures of our handy work.

Here we are finishing up the mounts off the jig that will hold the body and engine/trans where we want it at ride height.
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After we got all of the mounts done and took measurements for the wheel base we were able to remove the body and roll the chassis and engine/trans combo out from underneath.
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Below we had the jig outside and we were able to use the fork lift to remove the frame.

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Once the engine/trans combo was remounted on the jig we were able to roll it back in and begin placing items back on board so that we can begin mocking up for the frame to be measured out.

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Below is Bart measuring the frame so he could draw it in CAD.

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That is everything for now. Tomorrow we will print out a full scale model of the frame rails so that we can slide them up in there and check the fit before emailing off the CAD files to Autoweld.

[CruizinKev]

cool looks good! :twothumbs

[T_Raven]

I don't know anything about Studebakers but I worked on a 4 door lark a few years ago. I thought it would've looked really cool in a 2 door, nice to know they made one, it's a good looking unique little car

[TGVettes]

This is going to be way cool. I like it a lot so far.
I always wanted to build a 71 Javelin pro-touring
car I just have to many projects that needs to be done before that one.

Tonny

[DaviRotten]

Id love to c any year Jav in PT trim^.

As for the studdy awesome build.

[PhillipM]

Well over the past few weeks we have been working on designing the new frame rails for the Studebaker. So far we are on revision 3 and will probably need one more round of changes. At the moment the only thing that I know I need moved is the lower rail. It can come up about 3/4" so that it meets the body tighter. All the test fitting now will make fitting the 2x4 steel rails much easier later. The material that we are using for mock up is .5" Gator board, kind of a stout foamcore. Below are the pics, enjoy.

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[sik68]

Philip, this car is going to turn out fantastic! It's always really cool to me when the stance is nailed on these true "3 box" shaped cars like a Studebaker, Datsun510, BMW 2002, etc. You can't go wrong with a bunch of rubber underneath them :).

PS you have too many projects going...you're making the rest of us look bad. ;)

[bonecrrusher]

Do I spy LS7 manifolds???

[PhillipM]

Haha yeah, they were left over from the LS7 install in my Dad's Camaro. Regular LS manifolds would fit easier but they don't flow like these do. Plus we think these manifolds have a unique and bit of "cool" factor about them.

[garner67]

I love the idea of a PT Stude.

Here's a cool shot of a Pan American Studebaker racer.

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Just picture this car with a slick wet modern paint job!

[PhillipM]

I love the cars from the Pan America, they always have a rough but finished racecar attitude about them. We actually looked at a Hawk before we purchased this car.

[thetoystore]

well i know what i'm getting next

[41565 chevelle]

Man, I dig this project! I was just in Mesa for a week at the MD factory, had I know I would have stopped by.. I will be back again in the spring, hope you don't mind a fellow pro-tourer visitor???

[PhillipM]

Well I have good news and bad news today. A bunch of cool stuff showed up but not all of it correct. First we'll start with the right stuff. These are some axle brackets and neat polly bushing that I plan to use in random spots. I got them from Paul Hortons...

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And now on to my front wheels. Damn AR built them with polished centers and not painted centers. I haven't talked to them yet but I sure hope I don't have to wait another 5-8 weeks on their screw up!! Although, I'm sure I will :machine:

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[PhillipM]

We got a few minutes to work on the Studebaker today. So Paul and I thought that we would start removing all of the trim from the car to prepare to get the car blasted. After that I started to remove the right side rear quater panel. I also got all of the windows in the car rolling again which is a major plus. In the attached photos you can see how much of the rear comes apart on these Studebakers. I also included a picture of the 2002 LS1 T/A brakes that we plan to use on the car which are a super tight fit in the American Salt Flats, the clearance from the caliper face to the back of the wheel face is .188 wich should work perfect.

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[OLDFLM]

My dad always said Studebaker was way ahead of their time with every panel being bolted on and easily removed/replaced! LOVE the build! Subscribed!!

[Bryce]

How the hell did i miss this thread. This is awesome. I love the look in flat black.

[PhillipM]

Hey thanks for the good words guys. We are getting closer to ordering our frame rails and Bart was over again tonight taking the final measurement for the front suspension design. For a little background on Bart Spivey, I have included a link to an older Mustang 5.0 article that covered the install of an "A" arm kit that he used to develop for the Fox body Mustangs.

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Tonight I also removed the Driver's side quater panel. I am surprised at how much strength these panels provide to the back half of the car. Even with an identical panel runnuning on the inside of the car. I think that before we lift the car up off of the suspension jig to have it blasted I will pick up some small square tube to run some extra bracing on the body. I don't think things will move around but hey, you can't be too careful.

[Supra510]

This is a sweet project.

[PhillipM]

Well this past week we got the rest of the dash, wiring and windows removed so that we can take the car to get blasted. So, of course I had to do the Power Tour test fit before yanking the body off of the chassis jig. We also decided to add the extra bracing before removing the body. I was glad we did when we lifted the body up.

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[bonecrrusher]

I spy some LS7 manifolds on the motor! I should know, I installed a full 3" z06 exhaust in my c6 last summer.

This going to be done for the Power Tour?

[PhillipM]

The goal for this project is for the 2011 Power Tour..

If you come across another set of mid pipes and center H pipe off the C6 Z06 please let me know. I am in a serious search for them. I have found a few sets but they all wanted stupid money.

[bonecrrusher]

Too bad you dont need the c6 stock size... I have those parts sitting in storage.

FYI on prices for what I paid..

LS7 manifolds - brand new ebay - $100
LS7 downpipes/cats - $300 ebay
LS7 "H" pipe - $70 ebay

Thats what I paid, and I hunted around for pretty good deals. I would check fleabay, Corvetteforums, and digitalcorvettes.
There is smokinvettes.com but I never post there.

If the prices are around those what I listed... then I don't think there that bad of a deal. I also got the z06 mufflers for $190 and I picked them up from DC... but I dont think you need those.

also FWIW on an LS2, these cars pick up around 25-30 rwhp, and from my experience they sound mean!

-Craig-

[PhillipM]

Well it has been a little while since I updated this and unfortunitely we haven't been able to work on it as much as I had hoped. Fortunately that is becuase our startup business has been super busy lately so that is good. Here are a few pictures of it back from the blaster and in primer. She has a few "interesting" areas to say the least.

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We couldn't resist installing something though!

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[ArtosDracon]

Gorgeous, it's goin on the list.

[1971CHEVELLE]

Cool project

[srh3trinity]

Great project, good luck with the rust repair. Sounds like a great problem to have that the startup business is doing well.

[hotrod1949]

I hope my '63 looks that good after it is blasted. I look forward to updates.

[ryeguy2006a]

I think that is a really cool project. I have never seen one of these cars before. I like it.

[PhillipM]

I know that it has been a while since I posted some updates, but we all know how it is. Sometimes weeks go by before we are able to get back into the shop. I started in on some rust repair, starting with the panel that I was most nervous about. The left side of the trunk flange had been "repaired" once before by someone and it looked horrible to say the least, so I decided to start from scratch. Also I tackled a smaller area on the same side while I was there. Also, Bart was able to swing by with a prototype spindle that wasn't fully machined yet. In this photo we are doing some preliminary mock up of the spindle at ride height. The front suspension should be really cool when its done. Enjoy! :)

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[68firebird]

This is awesome. I love the looks of this car, its gonna be bad ass when its done. excellent choice

[ArtosDracon]

That is an interesting spindle, the height and steering arm almost look like G-body spec, but the brake brakets on the rear look like c5/6. More Info?

[PhillipM]

I have been leaving all of the front suspension design up to Bart. The only thing that I am certain on is that we will be running LS1 F-Body hubs and brakes. The 12" rotor and caliper package is the best system I could fit behind the Salt Flat wheel. I think the version that is in the picture was orginally going to hold a Baer 6 piston caliper, but I can't remember for sure. I know that the spindle height and steering location have been refined in his design over the years and I am not familiar enough with the GBody stuff to confirm your observations. As the front suspension takes on more of its final shape over the next few months I will be posting more pictures for sure.

[CruizinKev]

very nice work!

[PhillipM]

Okay guys, I know that you've been wondering what's been happening with the Studebaker! We've been having a local guy finish out the rust repair and a few other odds and ends... Like adding 3 inches to the tubs :). Below are a few progress pics from the last couple weeks.

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[ArtosDracon]

Did a nice job on the tubs!

[PhillipM]

Artos,

This guy used to work at Squeeg's Kustoms so metal finishing is his specialty. We had to go at it a little bit to get him to step a lot of the lips for the pieces that you wouldn't see to keep costs down. He really wanted everything to be perfect and we almost had to take the car back to keep the cost in check. In the end we finally are on the same page as to what needs to look good and what needs to just be structurally fixed. We are really please with the work.

[slowcamaro]

I have been leaving all of the front suspension design up to Bart. The only thing that I am certain on is that we will be running LS1 F-Body hubs and brakes.

Depending on how hard you plan to run the car you maybe want to rethink the ls1 hubs. I know the big grip, competitive f-bodys have trouble wearing out the hubs within a just few events.

[venturabeachpup]

This is gonna be one Rude, Crued, Shrewed, Stude! I love it! :1st:

[Motown 454]

Nice fab work on those wheel tubbs.

[PhillipM]

Depending on how hard you plan to run the car you maybe want to rethink the ls1 hubs. I know the big grip, competitive f-bodys have trouble wearing out the hubs within a just few events.

Just so no one is confused, Bart usually runs Corvette hubs and Baer 6 pistons on his suspensions. I am asking him to use these brand new fbody parts that I have so they fit in my Saltflat wheels...

Now that that is out of the way. Can you point me to anything on this? I have searched around and haven't found anyone complaining about them. Granted I don't hang around with the late model FBody guys at the races very much so maybe I haven't been in the right places. They honestly look as beefy as the 'Vette parts. But looks can be deceiving.

[slowcamaro]

Now that that is out of the way. Can you point me to anything on this? I have searched around and haven't found anyone complaining about them. Granted I don't hang around with the late model FBody guys at the races very much so maybe I haven't been in the right places. They honestly look as beefy as the 'Vette parts. But looks can be deceiving.


http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?showtopic=14052&hl=hubs

http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?showtopic=10188&hl=hubs - A thread based on someone trying to solve the problem.

http://www.frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?showtopic=13106&hl=hubs

Just a few of the first results to come up when using the keyword "hubs". As I tried to portray their lifespan really depends on how much grip and how hard you abuse them. Even still it seems as though they dont seem to be as reliable as conventional bearings. I don't really follow the 4th gen or vette topics but it seems as though the problem also occurs with the c4 hubs.

[PhillipM]

In light of your message earlier I email a friend of mine who used to work at Wheel 2 Wheel about the issue. Attached are his conclusions, which appear to be the same as you have pointed out...

"We built many Firehawk Challenge cars using the stock F-car hubs while I was at W2W. I know in a race environment they were replaced pretty regularly, but there weren't ever any catastrophic failures that I am aware of. If you're looking at a one-lap of America type car, I'd consider using the strongest parts you can get, but for an occasional track car the TA stuff should be fine."

Sounds like we need to decide about what we really want to do with the car, and how ofter we want to do it.

-Phillip

Also, the links appear to be broken??

[slowcamaro]

Odd they work for me. Maybe it requires a login to view. At anyrate
go to the site and search "hubs" and you should turn up a good about of info.
http://www.frrax.com

[PhillipM]

Yeah, must have to sign in...

[PhillipM]

These showed up yesterday. Should be the final piece of weather stripping for the car. They are pretty much unobtanium for the 2 door hardtop model.

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[PhillipM]

Okay, checked the fit of my wing window seals last night and everything appears to be good! Thank goodness!!!

[wmhjr]

I'd sure like to see this one in person. This looks like it's going to be a really cool finished product.

[PhillipM]

I'd sure like to see this one in person. This looks like it's going to be a really cool finished product.

Were planning to bring it on Power Tour next year so if you attend, then that just may happen :)

[PhillipM]

Okay after further investigation, thanks to members of the board for pointing it out, these C6 Z06 hubs arrived today :cheers:

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[jp455]

We used to use those on an MT900 Mosler GT car that won the European GT championship. They worked out great!

[PhillipM]

We used to use those on an MT900 Mosler GT car that won the European GT championship. They worked out great!

Thats more like what I wanted to hear :)

[PhillipM]

So we were able to get the body back on the frame jig last night in preperation for setting the frame rails. We went ahead and cut them about where we think the rear crossmember is going to be placed. At this time we are also brainstorming how were going to mount the radiator and other items. 98% of the rust repair is finished up now and I think we will turn our attention to the suspension and roll cage and not worry about the other 2% at the moment. Important thing is that most of the sheet metal fabwork is now finished. There will be some changes up and around the rear end to gain clearance for the coilovers and such but that will be a little down the road. I also couldn't resist putting the rear tires up in there after the minitubs. I know what most are going to say... "But they were a good size before". It is so much easier to go bigger now then later. It apperas that the tire is sucked in pretty close but I don't have a brake package on it yet. :smoke:

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[hechtrod]

Dude, this is gonna look rad. I LOVE LOVE LOVE those wheels.

[PhillipM]

Thanks man. The wheels have been kind of hit or miss with people. We really like them. Although, I wish that I could fit a bigger brake package behind them. But that leads me to another question... Are we obsessed with large rotors and calipers? Do many cars on this site need 14" rotors and 6 piston calipers? Maybe, maybe not. I'm hoping that a solid 12" rotor and GM 2 piston caliper with a decent pad will haul this thing down at speed. Who knows. We'll see I guess.

[Scott Parkhurst]

Bigger rotors can deal with the kind of heat a day on the road course will generate. The more metal, the more heat it can deal with, and the more durability you get.
If you have Vette hubs, big rotors and 6-piston calipers bolt right up.

[srh3trinity]

How much does this car weigh? It looks small in the pics, so you may be able to get away with smaller brakes.

[PhillipM]

Bigger rotors can deal with the kind of heat a day on the road course will generate. The more metal, the more heat it can deal with, and the more durability you get.
If you have Vette hubs, big rotors and 6-piston calipers bolt right up.

They bolt right up if they fit in the wheels... which they do not fit behind the Salt Flats. :hand:

[PhillipM]

How much does this car weigh? It looks small in the pics, so you may be able to get away with smaller brakes.

Car is going to weigh about 3100-3250...

[PhillipM]

Bigger rotors can deal with the kind of heat a day on the road course will generate. The more metal, the more heat it can deal with, and the more durability you get.
If you have Vette hubs, big rotors and 6-piston calipers bolt right up.

After looking again, I guess the brakes that we have are the 12.8" C5 Rotor and caliper. I think these should be just fine.

[Scott Parkhurst]

They bolt right up if they fit in the wheels... which they do not fit behind the Salt Flats. :hand:


How much spacer would it take? I don't like spacers, but if you need a little one (1/8-inch or so) and you've got enough thread to maintain adequate grip length on the studs, you can run them at speed.

[dusterbd13]

as far as he brakes go, heres my opinion.

we track a bunch of C5 and C6 corvette stuff down here. most of my guys are accomplished drivers, usually either instructors or full blown time trial guys.

most of our vettes are primarily street cars, so theyre heavy. average is 3400lbs with driver, gove or take.


the stock C5 brakes (same as C6 base) are more than enough for us. we run CMP a lot, which is very, very hard on brakes. the only upgrades that i typically run are stainless lines, better cooling, cheap NAPA rotors, good fluid, and wilwood H pads. these brakes take a tremendous amound of abuse, and rarely need a cool down period. most trouble we have is with cracking rotors. and thats why we use the cheap NAPA ones. theyre 25 ea. the rotors dont crack on track, either. they crack after the session, during cool down. usually get a full season of track and street out of the wilwoods.

with running ATE super blue, we flush the system every 3 monthsm or 5 events. never have a boiling problem, rarely any fade.

these brakes clear 17's, are readily availible, cheap to upgrade or repair, etc.

most drivers and cars dont need 14 inch rotors and 6 piston calipers.

michael

[69fbodyproject]

Cool Cool project. Ive always liked the Studes. Got a bit of experiance with them, since gramps has a 63 supercharged Avanti, and a 57 Golden Hawk Supercharged 3 speed with overdrive. They are both alot better thought out cars than most of the other companies of the time for how they were build.

[PhillipM]

How much spacer would it take? I don't like spacers, but if you need a little one (1/8-inch or so) and you've got enough thread to maintain adequate grip length on the studs, you can run them at speed.

I'm not sure how much space I would need, I didn't look that close when I saw them not fit. Sucky part about a space is that it would push the tires further out, which wouldn't be helping. The 255/40 is a tight squeeze up there already. Thanks for the ideas.

[PhillipM]

as far as he brakes go, heres my opinion.

we track a bunch of C5 and C6 corvette stuff down here. most of my guys are accomplished drivers, usually either instructors or full blown time trial guys.

most of our vettes are primarily street cars, so theyre heavy. average is 3400lbs with driver, gove or take.


the stock C5 brakes (same as C6 base) are more than enough for us. we run CMP a lot, which is very, very hard on brakes. the only upgrades that i typically run are stainless lines, better cooling, cheap NAPA rotors, good fluid, and wilwood H pads. these brakes take a tremendous amound of abuse, and rarely need a cool down period. most trouble we have is with cracking rotors. and thats why we use the cheap NAPA ones. theyre 25 ea. the rotors dont crack on track, either. they crack after the session, during cool down. usually get a full season of track and street out of the wilwoods.

with running ATE super blue, we flush the system every 3 monthsm or 5 events. never have a boiling problem, rarely any fade.

these brakes clear 17's, are readily availible, cheap to upgrade or repair, etc.

most drivers and cars dont need 14 inch rotors and 6 piston calipers.

michael

This is what I'm banking on :2nd:

[PhillipM]

Last night we worked on fitting the tins for the first time after being blasted as well as we were able to check rearend fitment for the first time. Everything fits decent and we are ready to keep moving forward fitting other items like the radiator suspension and roll cage... Here are a few glimps of what she's going to look like.

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[MuscleRodz]

Isn't the bolt on quarter panels cool. I recently painted a convertible for a friend, nothing like the extent you are going though. They are a different breed of car in construction that is for sure. Are you going to leave the front bumper off?

[PhillipM]

Yeah the bolt on panels are kinda cool. Makes things easy when you are working on tire fitment :)

Yep, I never even had a front bumper for the car! Haha.

[joemac]

Nice, I really dig the salt flat wheels on it.

[curly]

Great work! I really like watching the 'out of the ordinary' cars being built.

[PhillipM]

Oh it's out of the "ordinary" alright... I learn that everytime I try to by parts for it :)

[MuscleRodz]

Oh it's out of the "ordinary" alright... I learn that everytime I try to by parts for it :) Isn't there a Stude foundation or something that has the remaining parts for sale? My buddy bought a few pieces for his vert top from them. I could find out who it is if you are not aware of them.

[PhillipM]

Yeah there is. I pretty much have everything and most of it I got from SASCO or what is now Studebaker International. What makes it tough is that the 64 Daytona is pretty much a one year only car. Which wouldn't be such a big deal but they just didn't make that many of them. Thanks for the offer though!

[MuscleRodz]

Yeah there is. I pretty much have everything and most of it I got from SASCO or what is now Studebaker International. What makes it tough is that the 64 Daytona is pretty much a one year only car. Which wouldn't be such a big deal but they just didn't make that many of them. Thanks for the offer though! If you need something still, send me a PM. My buddy has a 64 Daytona convertible and a hardtop too. He may know where some other parts are at.

[Mingus]

The Stude is awesome Phillip. So is the Cutlass.
I'd try to keep the Salt Flats if you can, I like them on that car.
You might see if American Racing can clearance them to fit the 'Vette brakes. I know their custom shop offered (or at least used to) TTII's clearanced but you had to special order them.
I found this out because I bought 17" TTII's before finalizing my suspension plans thinking "they're plenty big for any kind of brake I'm going to run". :hammer:
Then I decided to run ATS AFX spindles because I could damn near pay for them with the cost difference between stock 'Vette brakes and Baers or Wilwoods on stock spindles. Since my car is built as a driver with a little autox thrown in the 'Vette brakes have been great (especially compared to the stock drums). Plus like dusterbd13 said you can treat the rotors like throwaways if you do start abusing them and they're available at the corner parts store.
Then while ordering my C5/C6 brakes from Kore3 (awesome guys to deal with), Tobin tells me they won't fit TTII's unless I ordered them clearanced. Apparently American Racing uses the same centers on all their diameters of wheels with bigger outer hoops. Which for me meant "oops".
I checked with them and their custom shop was backlogged for months because they had bought out / been bought out / merged / moved..... I can't quite remember but it would take forever to modify some at the time. I then found my Raceline GT's on close out at a local tire store. You should have seen the confused looks on their faces when I marched the spindle/brake in to see if it cleared and told them it was off of a '66 Cutlass. :)
So the wife ended up with my TTII's on her LeMans and I got a little wiser (and lighter in the wallet).
Can't wait to see the car finished.

[LT1Nova]

Cool looking car!

[PhillipM]

The Stude is awesome Phillip. So is the Cutlass.
I'd try to keep the Salt Flats if you can, I like them on that car.
You might see if American Racing can clearance them to fit the 'Vette brakes. I know their custom shop offered (or at least used to) TTII's clearanced but you had to special order them.
I found this out because I bought 17" TTII's before finalizing my suspension plans thinking "they're plenty big for any kind of brake I'm going to run". :hammer:
Then I decided to run ATS AFX spindles because I could damn near pay for them with the cost difference between stock 'Vette brakes and Baers or Wilwoods on stock spindles. Since my car is built as a driver with a little autox thrown in the 'Vette brakes have been great (especially compared to the stock drums). Plus like dusterbd13 said you can treat the rotors like throwaways if you do start abusing them and they're available at the corner parts store.
Then while ordering my C5/C6 brakes from Kore3 (awesome guys to deal with), Tobin tells me they won't fit TTII's unless I ordered them clearanced. Apparently American Racing uses the same centers on all their diameters of wheels with bigger outer hoops. Which for me meant "oops".
I checked with them and their custom shop was backlogged for months because they had bought out / been bought out / merged / moved..... I can't quite remember but it would take forever to modify some at the time. I then found my Raceline GT's on close out at a local tire store. You should have seen the confused looks on their faces when I marched the spindle/brake in to see if it cleared and told them it was off of a '66 Cutlass. :)
So the wife ended up with my TTII's on her LeMans and I got a little wiser (and lighter in the wallet).
Can't wait to see the car finished.

Huh, thats good information... Wish I would have known that as well. My other problem is that after the front wheels came in incorrectly, I sent them back and waited another 8 weeks. Now, front wheels in hand I notice that where it says "American Racing" on the wheels is all filled in with paint! The rears have the logo milled out and are bright aluminum in this area. Do I call and bitch again? I don't want to wait another 2 months for front wheels! I think they just took the polished ones that they built incorrectly and powder coated them. Then sent them back to me. That is probably why the lettering is filled in with paint. Just my thoughts. Maybe I can get a picture of it today.

[PhillipM]

Just an update, after complaining about my wheels I thought I would send an email off to American. I was pleasantly surprised to receive a quick response. They are looking into my order history to see what happened and what they can do to get them fixed. In the mean time, below showed up in my email recently :)

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[Mingus]

VERY cool.
It's good that they are trying to fix the situation with the wheels. They probably did just powder coat yours and send them back.

[Btefer]

The rendering looks great. Just a couple of suggestions it needs a bigger spoiler and more daytona badges! ;) The days are counting down to Power Tour so you better get on it...

[joemac]

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This is a really neat build, how about a straight side shot. Also you mentioned way back on page 3 or 4 about a startup business that was doing well. What kind of business is it and is it still doing well?

[PhillipM]

The rendering looks great. Just a couple of suggestions it needs a bigger spoiler and more daytona badges! ;) The days are counting down to Power Tour so you better get on it...

Nice. Thanks. :wedgie:

[PhillipM]

This is a really neat build, how about a straight side shot. Also you mentioned way back on page 3 or 4 about a startup business that was doing well. What kind of business is it and is it still doing well?

I will try and get a shot of the side for you. As for the business we do laser cutting, marking and engraving. We can mark on just about anything but some materials are better than others. I don't know if you have seen the gauges in our oldsmobile but that is just a small tidbit of our capabilities. Things are up and down. When it rains it pours kinda thing.
:cheers:

[PhillipM]

Here is that side shot. It's not very good becuase our shop layout makes it tough to get that angle. Anywho, here is my best attempt.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/SideShot-1.jpg

[PhillipM]

We have been working on the frame over the last couple weeks, and with these photos you can see a little bit what we are up to. The frame we had built is a 2x4 frame which is sticking down below the body of the car. We are thinking of trimming an inch of the height out through the center section to cure the problem. Also, I finished up a few of the body mounts that come off the frame. I forgot to get finished photos of them but this is what I started with.

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[PhillipM]

Mocked up the Paul Horton lower link brackets along with some left over VBP link bars. They actually look like the correct length. Also decided that we had to go back to the stock size fuel tank becuase of tire, frame and exhaust fitment. Oh well. We will save our B body tank for another project. We will just clean this one up and install a sump in her.

Some pics....

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[MZ 500]

I love this project :hail:

[PhillipM]

I love this project :hail:

Cool man thanks! We are putting in a lot of work on this car so it is nice to know that other guys are enjoying the build as well.

[454bug]

Hey Phillip,

Everything is really looking great!

It looks like this will be a fun ride!

Keep up the great work. :twothumbs

[ArtosDracon]

I just today realized this is being built here in AZ! Sweeet. Maybe we'll pass each other tooling around town, just keep an eye out for the big green cutlass.

[PhillipM]

I just today realized this is being built here in AZ! Sweeet. Maybe we'll pass each other tooling around town, just keep an eye out for the big green cutlass.

Big green Cutlass huh.. Haha okay sounds good.

[PhillipM]

Worked on splicing in our new lower frame rail this past weekend. We decided to do this after the last photo I posted of it hanging about an 1" below the body through the middle of the car. I ended up cutting the rail on about a 54 degree angle to give a smooth transition and the I plated the outside for extra insurance. I'm fairly confident that it is plenty strong now. Bellow are a few photos of the makeshift jig that I put together. The angle iron is a piece off of our sheet metal brake that is ground flat. Or at least flatter then the other hot rolled stock I had on the shelf. In the last photo you can see how much better it looks. The photo is a little out of focus but the magnetic level is hanging from the bottom of the new rail. You can also see the other rail still hanging down in the background.

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[Motown 454]

Wow what a difference, you tucked it up real tight now. It won't go anywhere with that plate welded on. Your doing a great job, sweet project.

[PhillipM]

Thanks Wayne!

I do wish my TIG welds looked better but hey, you can't get better without practice, right?

[Btefer]

That looks amazing bubby!! Almost couldn't of done it better myself. ;)

[PhillipM]

Thanks Brian!

[PhillipM]

I thought I would upload a couple more photos. One is me welding and the other is a close up of one of the frame rails..

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Thanks for looking :cheers:

[bonecrrusher]

Nice welding pic.... frame looks good to me!

[ArtosDracon]

Big green Cutlass huh.. Haha okay sounds good.

If you guys get to the "bolt stuff together" phase and need an extra set of hands to make a deadline, just let me know, I'll be happy to drop by. Unfortunately I can't weld at all, but beyond that I'm pretty handy. I work nights too, so working till the wee odd hours of the morning is my standard MO.

[PhillipM]

Cool, thanks for the offer.

[PhillipM]

Started working on the rear frame rails last night after a few small hicups that I had to take care of in the front. We knew that the floor was not going to fit anymore with the 3 link parts as well as our ride height. So to ease working on the car as well as mocking up the parts and pieces I went ahead and cleared some room.

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Here is the beginning of mocking up the frame rail. It is pretty much just laying in there for the moment. This isn't the finished height..

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[CarQz17]

Awesome car. Its nice to see something way different and even nicer seeing it done the right way and ALL the way.. Great fabrication. I am impressed. Can't wait to see more!

[PhillipM]

Awesome car. Its nice to see something way different and even nicer seeing it done the right way and ALL the way.. Great fabrication. I am impressed. Can't wait to see more!

Thanks for the comments. Don't worry, there are some more things that I haven't quite disclosed yet. I think you guys will approve. Keep tuning in if you like, I seem to have regular Monday, Tuesday, Thursday updates for you guys.

:cheers:

[pimtina]

Yes, keep the updates comin'. I'm lovin' this build!!

[ArtosDracon]

Just out of curiosity, since you have a speeway box sitting in your trunk, what's their shipping time like to AZ, I wanna get some springs and need to make sure I give myself enough time to get everything on the shelf for my days off.

Thanks!

[PhillipM]

Um.. I think it was like 3 days.

[ArtosDracon]

Nice, summit is crazyness, I've called them and confirmed they had something in stock at their nevada location, and it still took 7 business days to get something.

[PhillipM]

Have a few pictures from the weekend. I am full into the rear frame rails and suspension at them moment. I got a lot done but don't really have a lot of photos. Hoping to have more to show after tonight.

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[Bryce]

I love this build!!!

[PhillipM]

I love this build!!!

Cool thank you!

I worked on the rear frame rails some more last night but really nothing new and exciting to see. Just a lot more TIG welding done on them. Hoping to mock some more of the suspension links and things like that up on Wednesday night.

[PhillipM]

Worked on the rear drivers side coilover mount recently. My design is pretty much lifted straight from the AIX 70 Camaro from Jakes Rod Shop. I plan to run the cage bars fore and aft of the notch and am thinking of hanging the coil over from the cage bars.

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[Chevelle LT1]

That's a pretty slick design for the rear. It's hard to tell from the photos, but will there be enough clearance if you impact something sharp (e.g., potholes)? I don't expect much suspension deflection, but that seems really tight.

And of course, loving to watch this build. Nicely done.

[PhillipM]

There is about 5/8" clearance right now but also don't forget that the spring is currently fully extended right now. It needs to be compressed about 3-3.5" yet. The high pressure shock will stay extended until I can get the upper mount figured out. For that I really need to start in on the roll cage. This week I will work on the passenger side cope and try to get that side all buttoned up. I also need to get the link mounts figured out. So much to do! I do have room to slide that assembly away from the frame rail but am trying to keep it in as far as possible due to tire clearance. Right now I have plenty with the 315s but we really want to go to 335s so that will eat another 1.5" total, or .75" on the inside.

[PhillipM]

Just a mini update. I got the passanger side done and once I get my wheel back from the tire store with the 335 on it, I will be able to completely confirm that my measurements were good. Lets all :fingersx:

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That coilover mount is just temporary. I do plan to turn some proper length ones out on the lathe.

Cheers!
:cheers:

[coolwelder62]

Really cool project.Awesome fab work.Cant wait too see more.Scott.:cheers:

[PhillipM]

Okay I worked on the upper link in my 3 link over the weekend. Everything is just tacked on there for an initial view. A couple things need to be straightened a little bit. But, I am basically at the point where I need to ask what would you guys do? I have the front mount hanging on a pedestal just for position. I am trying to figure out how to incorporate it into the frame. If you guys have any ideas please share your thoughts. Thanks!

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[Bryce]

I would make a cross member to pick up the third link mount. Then triangulate it back to the frame to ensure no flex.

[PhillipM]

I also got the 335 mounted on the wheel for the full effect of what I'm working with... Here are the fun shots.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/08/IMG00065201008192131-1.jpg

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:)

[carnalsupply]

What an absolutely BITCHIN' build, I wish I would have found the thread sooner to help keep me motivated on my build.

I'm at a point where I'm trying to develop/design the radiator/fender mounts, so I'm subscribing to your thread and looking forward to your solutions. At present I'm considering using 3/4" square tubing and building a "trellis-like" structure similar to what they use on Cup cars, but in my mind I keep seeing some hideous outcome where the 3/4" tubing mates up to the frame horns, so any input you and your team have would be most welcome.

[PhillipM]

Thanks Bob, I will jump over to your thread and see what your working with.

[bonecrrusher]

Man cant wait to get my 325's mounted to my C6... those tires look wide as hell!

[ArtosDracon]

That 335 looks awesome back there.

What is the vertical difference between the bottom of your third link mount and the top of your framerail dirrectly next to it at the farthes forward point of the mount?

[PhillipM]

It's 3.5"

[ArtosDracon]

Hrm, Since most of the load on it is going to be longitudinal, I would probably make a cross member that comes off the angled frame notch at the right height and steps forward to where it needs to meet the upper link mount, that should give you good lateral and longitudinal support, and it shouldn't take enough vertical load that more than a 2x2x.125 tube should be needed.

Just a thought.

[preston]

Any pictures or information you can provide about the custom spindles would be much appreciated. How thick do you think that plate is he is using as the base ? 1" or 3/4" ?

I would love to see the pictures of that thing as it comes along, Front, back , UBJ, LBJ, hub mounted etc.

[PhillipM]

At the moment I can tell you that the front spindle plate is 1" thick. I don't know much more at the moment but will post up when they are finished. I'm hoping that will be soon.

[PhillipM]

Thanks for the ideas so far on the 3rd link mount. I'm working through the couple that have been posted and am still open to more ideas. Thanks!

[PhillipM]

So becuase I really need to keep that center area open for mufflers... I was thinking of using 3/16ths plate off of the frame rail much like pictured below. What are some thoughts on this?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/08/Graphic1Large-1.jpg

[Jeffrotech]

Perfect - that's exactly what I pictured. I'd say you know what you are doing.

Great build. I love Studebakers, and have a couple. I pass right over the Camaro's on here to see the more interesting cars - and yours is looking great!

[PhillipM]

Perfect - that's exactly what I pictured. I'd say you know what you are doing.

Great build. I love Studebakers, and have a couple. I pass right over the Camaro's on here to see the more interesting cars - and yours is looking great!

Awesome thanks for the encouragement! After my Dad and I have had a few Camaros we realized that while they are certainly killer, it is hard to have one that stands out. So... Studebaker it is! Haha
:twothumbs

[Bryce]

Phillip, I would say it looks good.

[ArtosDracon]

Looks good, you may want to Z it internally too, just in case, that's definitely going to be several sheets of cardboard before any steel gets cut, thsoe compound angles are so much fun.

[PhillipM]

Okay so while we wait on some parts to come in along with some tubing we decided to mock the dash back in as well as start playing around with some cage layout. Looks like the bars will come down just behind the dash and run right into the frame extensions under the floor for maximum strength. I should be able to get on with the lower link bars and the panhard bar soon.

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[ArtosDracon]

I like that dash, with a little tweaking it'll house anything you might want and it's nice and simple and clean looking. I dig the monolithic look though.

[PhillipM]

I like that dash, with a little tweaking it'll house anything you might want and it's nice and simple and clean looking. I dig the monolithic look though.

Here is what I have worked up for the dash so far... I laser cut this file already to make a template so I do know that it all fits. I will probably make this piece out of aluminum or something similar..

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/Dash-1.jpg

[Bryce]

Looks good, here is the asymetrical design I made for my car.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/tn_full_falcon_interior_3jpg_Thumbnail1-1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/455828)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/tn_full_falcon_interior_1jpg_Thumbnail1-1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/455826)

My fasteners and warning, blinker hi-beam lights are all on the same angle as the gauges.

[PhillipM]

Okay, working towards finishing the mock up on the rear suspension I was able to get the drivers side trailing arm tacked in place. As always it takes way longer to decide exactly how to do it than it looks. So I have 3 hours wrapped up in this. The other side should go much quicker though. The heim spacers are stainless and I get them from a place named Summit Machine. They seem to mainly focus in the off road market but I really like their spacers. I did have to throw the rear pair into the lathe and face them so they fit into my Welder Series coil over mount.

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[ArtosDracon]

Looks great! Can't wait for a free weekend so I can stop by and bug you guys during the saturday cruise.

[PhillipM]

It's roll cage time! It should be exciting but man oh man I forgot how much work it was to bend and fit cage bars. We spent today on the main hoop but I'm pretty happy with the results. The hoop comes through the floor and slides right into the main frame crossmember. This should allow me to weld all the way down the side of the tube. As always, below are some pics...

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[ArtosDracon]

Manual tubing benders are a great workout, thats for sure. This car is looking like it's going to be a real kick in the pants when time comes.

[carnalsupply]

Hey Phillip,

Great looking setup!
I actually pulled out my roll-cage (S&W Chassis) and began trial fitting the pieces: it's pretty daunting, so I'll be watching your thread closely for hints and ideas.

[Bryce]

awesome work.

[PhillipM]

Hey Phillip,

Great looking setup!
I actually pulled out my roll-cage (S&W Chassis) and began trial fitting the pieces: it's pretty daunting, so I'll be watching your thread closely for hints and ideas.

Bob, I'm surprised you aren't bending it up from scratch? It is just about as easy to do and you know it is going to fit nice and tight that way :)

[PhillipM]

Worked on the rear lower coil over mounts. I am using the brackets from Paul Horton's Welder's Series website and am fairly happy with them. They have a nice 1 1/2" thick block on the inside to add support to the coil-over mount and are 3/16ths thick. I decided to do a tube weld end on a piece of 1" .095 wall tube. After staring at it with my Dad we decided to throw a couple roll cage gussets onto it for a little extra strength. I have one completely tacked to gether with the gussets and one that still needs to be finish welded and gusseted.

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I also received that brackets and such for the panhard bar. I ordered these from Speedway.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC01264Medium-1.jpg

:cheers:

[ArtosDracon]

So nice to see someone making progress. The best I can seem to do is fight to keep mine running, lol.

[carnalsupply]

Hey Phillip<

I just ordered a set of the Welder Series Chevy motor mounts for my '64 Fury project: do you like the quality of the pieces you receive from them?

I like the idea of adding the gussets to the mount: since you've got the room to add them why not be overly careful/cautious.

[PhillipM]

Hey Bob,

I do like all of the products that I have gotten from them. They are well thought out and always fit together like they are supposed to.

As for the gusset, it works for us becuase I am not going to be changing the height of the lower mount like these brackets are capable of doing. So it is going to work out nicely.

[Motown 454]

It looks nice great work.

[bonecrrusher]

Nice!

[PhillipM]

Worked on the roll cage as well as some more of the rear suspension over the weekend... Panhard bar is simply tacked in place as well as the upper rear coil-over mount on the passanger side. Not sure about the tabs that I used. They are 3/16" steel but not sure if they should wrap more around the tube or not... What do you guys think? Although I haven't provided a real great photo to evaluate on.

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Also got a shot of my tube notching set up :)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/IMG00111201009191806-1.jpg

[bonecrrusher]

Nice tube notcher...

[ArtosDracon]

For the coil-over mounts there isn't much you can do without switching to a different mout all together, I would just keep a close eye on them during shake-down runs, if a weld starts to crack or they bend and all, yank it off and build a bigger 4-sided box mount.

Also, for the sake of caution, is that frame-side panhard mount slugged? If not, you may want to triangulate it to the frame linear to the bar, off either side. I have a feeling that 2x2 will try and move along with the axle in a hard corner, especially a left.

[PhillipM]

Oh yeah I plan to fully triangulate that frame side panhard bar mount by running another tube from the bottom over to the opposite frame rail. I just have it tacked for the moment until I decide its in its final position. As for the coil-over mount I cut it off last night and spent 2 hours building another one... And the sad part, I don't like it either. I think I will do some more searching.

[ArtosDracon]

Lol, don't you love that? Why build it once when you can build it five times? Coming from the truck world and being very german, I have a tendency to severely over-engineer things, but I'd rather spend a little extra money and a little extra weight and never have to worry about something blowing up or snapping off.

[PhillipM]

I hear ya Robert, I'm the same way. I'm willing to give up a little extra weight for a little piece of mind. I do have a "couple" ideas on how to overcome the extra weight...:naughty:

[bryster]

Nice solid car to start with....Looks like a cross between a 64 chevy II and a corvair...LOL

[PhillipM]

Thats funny that you say that. I called it a rust bucket but thats because I'm in Arizona... Anywhere else this car would be considered solid.

[ArtosDracon]

Thats funny that you say that. I called it a rust bucket but thats because I'm in Arizona... Anywhere else this car would be considered solid.

We are a bit spoiled. I bought a 73 Cutlass out of the Chicago area a couple of years ago for it's interior and when it arrived, you could drop a nickel into the top of the rear fender, and it wouldn't even touch bodypannel, drop right through to the ground, lol.

[PhillipM]

I only had a few minutes to play around with the car last night due to having to work late. But, I was able to cut the cross bar as well as work on a different frame side panhard bar mount. I still plan to triangulate this mount but wanted to give it a little more beef as well as I think it looks a little more planned out this way... You know, like I actually thought about it for more than 5 minutes :idea:

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It doesn't look too complicated until you realize that the frame rail has a 15 degree downward slope and a 5 degree kick out. My table adjustment was getting a workout on the bandsaw last night for sure. Actually, I don't think I had ever moved it until last night! Yikes.

[Bryce]

I hate those days when you get limitied time to work on the car. But progress is still progress.

[PhillipM]

Yeah those days suck... But hey, and hour on it is one less hour until it is finished, we hope at least!

[ArtosDracon]

I like the new upper section of the panhard mount! I don't think I would have thought of that.

[David Sloan]

Looking good !

[PhillipM]

Thanks guys! I will probably not have much progress over the next couple of weeks as we do some rearranging in the shop. Also I plan to put my Z/28 on the ground to make it a roller. Hopefully this will help out in selling it. Thirdly (word?) I need to start running some power over to a new area of the shop so we can move our Universal Laser System. It will be nice to get it into an airconditioned room. The laser tubes will stay cooler and run at more consistent wattages... So yeah, going to be a busy few weeks.

[ArtosDracon]

Thanks guys! I will probably not have much progress over the next couple of weeks as we do some rearranging in the shop. Also I plan to put my Z/28 on the ground to make it a roller. Hopefully this will help out in selling it. Thirdly (word?) I need to start running some power over to a new area of the shop so we can move our Universal Laser System. It will be nice to get it into an airconditioned room. The laser tubes will stay cooler and run at more consistent wattages... So yeah, going to be a busy few weeks.

My dad worked for Universal Laser in the 80's, lol. I've learned more abut lasers than I'm ever going to need. What kind of system are you using and what for? Have you ever been to their office? If so, keep an eye out for the plexiglass blocks with 3D images burned inside them, that was one of his last projects there. I think he still has some of the anodized aluminum business cards they made.

[PhillipM]

Okay, not really a Studebaker update but hey... I figured I would keep you guys posted. So, here is a before and after of our shop. Our renter was one dirty guy...

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And after 12 hours of painting and floor stripping/waxing...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/10/20101003_191644_567-1.jpg

[carnalsupply]

Now THAT'S a shop! I'm stuck working in a corner of my warehouse where I've carved out a little niche because my garage at home won't fit my Fury. Think I should have used a smaller car, LOL?

BTW Philip, did you machine/fab the Panhard Bar sliding adjustment blocks or are they something you purchased along the way? They appear to be a very simple, yet elegant solution.

[PhillipM]

Now THAT'S a shop! I'm stuck working in a corner of my warehouse where I've carved out a little niche because my garage at home won't fit my Fury. Think I should have used a smaller car, LOL?

BTW Philip, did you machine/fab the Panhard Bar sliding adjustment blocks or are they something you purchased along the way? They appear to be a very simple, yet elegant solution.

LOL, yes your car is too large!!! J/k :) It will be nice to spread out into this area of the shop. Also not having to lock up your stuff in fear of your renter helping himself will be nice as well.


Those parts came from Speedway Engineering...

[carnalsupply]

Thanks!
I've been considering the use of a Watts Link, but considering the minimal suspension travel my Fury will have I just don't know if it's worth the fabrication and packaging hassles as compared to a Panhard. Oh well, I've still got time to figure it out.

Thanks again,

Bob

[PhillipM]

Yeah, I really went with a panhard for ease of packaging..

[BryanG]

Doesn't even look like the same shop. You must be talking about photoshop. :)

[ArtosDracon]

Damn, that's a nice area. I can't wait till I can get my entire garage to myself!

[epashhans]

This is crazy. I saw one of these the other day and thought it would make a rad pt car. I put it on my list of cars that I wanted to do a rendering of. I was researching photos and came across this build! Its surreal. I am not even joking, you picked pretty much the same wheels that I planned to use in the render. I can't wait to see this completed! Keep up the awesome work.

Do you know any production numbers on these cars? How rare they are? Or what a fair value is? All the ones I've seen are rusted out 3 or 4 times worse that what you started with. That one looks pristine!

[PhillipM]

This is crazy. I saw one of these the other day and thought it would make a rad pt car. I put it on my list of cars that I wanted to do a rendering of. I was researching photos and came across this build! Its surreal. I am not even joking, you picked pretty much the same wheels that I planned to use in the render. I can't wait to see this completed! Keep up the awesome work.

Do you know any production numbers on these cars? How rare they are? Or what a fair value is? All the ones I've seen are rusted out 3 or 4 times worse that what you started with. That one looks pristine!

Thats funny becuase I am kinda hearing that they are usually rusted out from a few other people as well... Guess I got luckier than I thought. Sorry for jacking your idea bud... well not really :yeah:!!! LOL

I paid 1k bucks for this car and a guy I just me recently has about 5 more of them in his back yard. Along with a bunch of other Sutde's. Are they rare? I'm really not sure. I hadn't even seen one before or maybe I had and wasn't paying attention when this one came up for sale on CL. This car bounced around town here for a few owners and now here it is. Good luck on your hunt and let me know if I can help at all.

[Bryce]

$1k.... NICE!

[PhillipM]

Hey guys! Just wanted to say that I am getting ready to jump back on this beast. After selling one of my Camaros and cleaning/reorganizing the shop we have been working on my other 69Z doing some long awaited upgrades.

I did get the front K member from Bart a few weeks ago and he went over the CAD drawings with me again so as soon as my Z is back together I will be ready to tack that in and start moving forward on the front suspension. Hopefully I will have some good updates for you guys by mid-January.

Talk again soon!

[craigs73]

lets see more progress :) now you have more funds to put in after selling your camaro

[PhillipM]

Not a huge update but hey, it something! LOL

I changed the mounting on the axle side of the panhard bar as well as planning out my frame side bracing. Also got the K member tacked in and started mocking up the upper cross shaft as well as the spindle. Some photos...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/IMG00196201101312053-1.jpg

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[RS_Customs]

Looking good!

Robert

[wellis77]

Looking real good!

[Bryce]

Its getting there!

[aussietony]

Any updates re this build?

[PhillipM]

Hey Tony,

I have been working on it slowly but seems like things are popping up left and right. I started a new job in January, have been fixing my Camaro and helping my fiance plan our wedding. We should start to see some updates again soon. The aluminum is at the CNC guy for the front spindles and Bart has finished up another Mustang that he did the front suspension on. Hopefully I will start seeing some front suspension parts showing up. The rear is almost finished as well and we have been "blind staring" at the front half of the car to invision that part of the cage. Thanks for hanging in ther guys!

[Bryce]

Im excited to see the front suspension!

[PhillipM]

Hey Guys... I got a few more minutes to work on the Stude last weekend and thought I would share a couple photos. I got the triangulation bar mocked up on the frame side of the panhard bar mount. Also, I decided to test fit the gas tank and am glad I did.. I didn't realize how little room I had!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/03/IMG00237201103201402-1.jpg

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Thats it for now:cheers:

[Bryce]

Nice!

[Motorcitydak]

How's that Powertour 2011 thing lookin for ya?

[PhillipM]

Yeah, once we found out the wedding was the same week as power tour I stopped beating myself up so hard to make progress on it. Now I'm chigging away on it but at a much slower pace.