Wilwood 6 piston Calipers/rim tire question

[staged67gspwr]

Hi guys,i upgrated from Wilwood 4 piston to Wilwood 6 piston calipers and bigger rotors ofcourse but was wondering if these would clear my Budnik 17" wheels?according to Dean over at Hot Rods USA they will fit,what do you guys think?


Thanks

[ProdigyCustoms]

They should if they do not have valve stems on the inner wheel half

[staged67gspwr]

no the valve stems are on the outside part of the rim.

Thanks

[Steve1968LS2]

Unless you are running the "FAT LIP" design you should be fine. The real issue is the spokes clearing the caliper face. Wilwood does offer a template for checking this.

[staged67gspwr]

Unless you are running the "FAT LIP" design you should be fine. The real issue is the spokes clearing the caliper face. Wilwood does offer a template for checking this.


No fat lip either,looks like i should be fine,does anyone know if anybody on this board is running those calipers on there car?just like to see what they think of them.

Thank you

[Steve1968LS2]

This will be my third car I've run them on.. never had an issue either on the street or the track. They work well. Get the new quiet pads for the street and you can swap to track pads for track days. I think the new street pads are called BP-20..

[staged67gspwr]

Cool thanks alot guys i appreciate all your input.:headbang:


Thanks again!

[$Mike70Z-28]

yo g-man just get new rims 24' hahahaha

[staged67gspwr]

yo g-man just get new rims 24' hahahaha



yea i might just get 24' rims instead of the 24",hahahahahahaha

[Damn True]

Anyone have one of these templates? Frank?
I called them and the Tech-sup guy either didn't know what I was talking about or didn't have time for me.

[Rubes]

the diagram is in the instruction sheet for the specific brake kit. I simply emailed that to the wheel company to have them verify their wheel will work. I at least have it in writing from them that it will. Whether or not that helps me if it dont, we'll see.

[ProdigyCustoms]

There is no template I know of. What spindle are you running?

[DriverzInc]

Call Willwood and ask them what the caliper offset is on your new set up, as well as the O.D. Caliper offset is the distance the caliper hangs over the mounting surface of the wheel. Willwood should have this information readily available. I use to call all the time for my customers without a problem. While I was at Budnik, we defaulted alot of wheels to a 1" mounting surface pad, meaning you would have clearance up to 1" of caliper offset. In most Willwood set-ups, this is more than enough. You should be fine, but if you want to be absolutely certain, that is the way to go about it. If you want, there is a serial number engraved on the back mounting pad of your budnik wheel. Call Jason Jeffrey at Budnik and have him run the number for you, and he can tell you how much pad clearance is built into the back of your wheel, and if the 17" std lip rim will clear your overall diameter. And tell Budnik I say hi.

[Rubes]

here is what was in the instruction sheet wit hmy 140-8031 kit. Superlite 6 piston w/13" rotor for C5.

[DriverzInc]

here is what was in the instruction sheet wit hmy 140-8031 kit. Superlite 6 piston w/13" rotor for C5.

Perfect example. According to this template, there is 1.27" of caliper offset. In this case, if I were building the wheel, it would include a 1.50" mounting pad so that the back of the spokes would clear the face of the caliper. Definitely call Budnik and confirm the mounting pad on your wheel, I have a strong feeling the pad is not long enough and the budnik will not work. (This is assuming you have the same kit as "Rubes".

[ProdigyCustoms]

I think a template would be something some could cut out and use for mock up. We make templates everyday for all kinds of things. Diagrams are available for all Wilwood kits. But no templates that I am aware of.

Anyway, if you tell me what application you have and what wheel you are considering, I can tell you what works. Two of the cars in our shop today are using 13" Wilwood set ups. One is 140-7019 (Camaro hub 13" 6 piston 13" set up) and the other is 140-8032 (C5 Corvette hub, 6 piston, 13" set up) and both cars are running 17s. Wilwood designed the Superlight calipers to be compact. There is hardly ever any spoke clearance issues. And as long as the valve stem is in front or a flush type, there "generally" is no clearance problems.

As you can see in the drawing, the wheel only need be a tick more then 15" ID to clear the outer caliper, and most 17s are more then 15" ID. Depending on which brake set up you use, I would want a wheel with 1.3875 or so for spoke clearance. That should be no problem.

[DriverzInc]

He has a 17" Budnik, I think that was clear in the first post. Template or diagram, you say tomato... bickering over termanology doesn't help him. Fact remains his budnik is probably not built to clear his caliper offset and I gave him the info and he needs to call budnik and make sure.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Anyone have one of these templates? Frank?
I called them and the Tech-sup guy either didn't know what I was talking about or didn't have time for me.


He has a 17" Budnik, I think that was clear in the first post. Template or diagram, you say tomato... bickering over termanology doesn't help him. Fact remains his budnik is probably not built to clear his caliper offset and I gave him the info and he needs to call budnik and make sure.

Jon,

Excuse me, but I was answering Damn True who asked me a question and did not say what wheels or brake kit he has.
LOL!

That is number one.

Number 2 is the original poster is 6 months old and 6 months ago I answered his question. And he is running Budnics, but I am 99% certain he is refering to a 140- 7019 UPGRADE kit which only needs .75 to clear, which almost any production wheel on the planet will clear.

And I would like to appoligize if it upset you and you consider this bickering, but there is a huge difference between a template and a diagram.

From Merriam-Websters dictionary

Main Entry: tem·plate https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?templa02.wav=template')) Pronunciation: \ˈtem-plət\ Function: noun Etymology: probably from French templet, diminutive of temple, part of a loom, probably from Latin templum Date: 1677 1: a short piece or block placed horizontally in a wall under a beam to distribute its weight or pressure (as over a door)2 a (1): a gauge, pattern, or mold (as a thin plate or board) used as a guide to the form of a piece being made (2): a molecule (as of DNA) that serves as a pattern for the generation of another macromolecule (as messenger RNA) b: overlay (http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overlay) c3: something that establishes or serves as a pattern

Main Entry: 1di·a·gram https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?diagra01.wav=diagram')) Pronunciation: \ˈdī-ə-ˌgram\ Function: noun Etymology: Greek diagramma, from diagraphein to mark out by lines, from dia- + graphein to write — more at carve (http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/carve) Date: 1619 1: a graphic design that explains rather than represents; especially : a drawing that shows arrangement and relations (as of parts)2: a line drawing made for mathematical or scientific purposes

Now back to your regularly scheduled programing.

[Rubes]

:box: you guys are hillarious:box:
Main Entry: Common-sense \ Function: noun Etymology: probably from some gearhead who figured out he can make a template from a diagram.
:cheers:

[DriverzInc]

Staged67gspwr,
Run that template by Budnik with the serial number off the back of your wheel. It will be an alpha numeric number like A1234. He'll tell you if your existing Budnik wheel will clear your new brake package. Let us know how it turns out.

[Damn True]

Jesus guys

.....Frank, we'll handle this via PM or telephone.

[Damn True]

I thought I ought to put some info out for others to see.

Frank contacted me offline and got the particulars of the setup I am trying to achieve. He then contacted all the various suppliers (Wilwood, ATS and the wheel manufacturer) and got the data he needed. Using that data he arrived at a configuration with part numbers that would work for me.

All of the above done in the knowledge that I most likely wont buy anything from him for at least the next 6mos.

Frank is a class act.

If you need brake help, call him first. If you've already spoken to somone else, call him next.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Thanks for the kind words. It was no problem to make a few calls. I just wanted to be sure when you are ready to get your parts you have the right information and correct parts

[Damn True]

Thanks for the kind words. It was no problem to make a few calls. I just wanted to be sure when you are ready to get your parts you have the right information and correct parts

....and THAT folks is what separates the good vendors from the schmucks. The desire to make sure that the stuff he is NOT getting paid for works as well for me as the stuff he IS getting paid for.

Frank = Pro

Others take note.

[Damn True]

BTW Frank, does Wilwood offer a NON-drilled rotor?

[Rubes]

Frank is on the road to Indy for the restoration show, but yeah Willwood has solid rotors. The -D on the end of the part number denotes drilled, so leave it off to get solid (but vented) rotors.