ATS - AFX spindles / balljoints..

[Jinks]

Im looking at getting the AFX Spindles.. im just wondering which balljoints would work best? the stock height, or the 1/2 taller balljoints!

And also.. are the adjustable control arms easily adjustable for the average wrencher?

thanks
kevin

[baz67]

Just get the tall spindles and be done. What control arms are you referring to?

[Jinks]

the ones for sale on the ATS page..

the SPC adjustable control arms..

says they work with the AFX spindles nicely.. but i dont want to get something that is above my skill level!

So are you saying get the stock balljoints only? I was already going to get the tall AFX spindle!

Thanks,
kevin

[zbugger]

Use stock height ball joints with the tall AFX spindles. The good geometry is already designed in.

[Stu Seitz]

Use the SPC adj UCA's with the Howe, stock height ball joint.

I had the SPC adjustables with the tall Howe bj, before I bought my AFX spindles. I called Marcus at SC&C and asked what he thought about using the AFX and the tall bj, and he advised agianst it. So I ended up buying the stock height studs when installing my AFX spindles.

[Jinks]

perfect. thanks for the feedback guys :)

[Marcus SC&C]

I dunno how I missed this thread but Stuart has it right. The AFX spindles don`t need taller ball joints for great geometry. A lot of folks opt for our modular CNC ball joints simply because they`re much stronger,smoother and more precise than OE ball joints but stock ball joints will work okay also. Mark SC&C

[Jinks]

yep, for the price it looks well worth it to upgrade to the better balljoints.. they just came in two flavours and i wanted to make sure i was getting the best i could :)

[Marcus SC&C]

If you really want to be trick they`re also available in polished nickle and shortly we`ll have some neat red anodized o-ring sealed plugs for the grease fitting recesses in the ball joint caps. Normally you probably wouldn`t lavish such attention on ball joints but they`re not just any ball joints. :twothumbs Mark SC&C

[Bill Howell]

STOP it Marcus, just stop it.:machine::machine::machine:

You are really not helping my budget build here. Polished nickle, anodized plugs.......on and on......
I keep on with all these upgrades and I will have another bank account breaker on my hands.......lol

For those sitting on the fence, I bought the SC&C uca for my AFX conversion and love them, real quality stuff.

[Jinks]

haha.. dont worry i already know what i want to buy :p and its already going to cost me an arm and a leg so im not going to worry about some anodized ball joints hah! good try though :D

[Rick Dorion]

I dunno how I missed this thread but Stuart has it right. The AFX spindles don`t need taller ball joints for great geometry. A lot of folks opt for our modular CNC ball joints simply because they`re much stronger,smoother and more precise than OE ball joints but stock ball joints will work okay also. Mark SC&C

Mark, just to be clear (to me). Your comment is in regards to the tall AFX spindles?

[Tobey]

Just get the tall spindles and be done. What control arms are you referring to?
For a complete street car, that will never see an AX, road course, or probably a drag strip, how much more advantageous is the tall spindle over the tall ball joint? I'm getting ready to swap the drums for discs, and I'm trying to decide if the newer spindles are worth the extra effort required. (I know, it's not much extra effort, but if it's not warranted...)

[zbugger]

It's worth it. You can put any C5 Corvette brake kit on the AFX spindle. It opens you up to better brake setups. To me, that makes it worth it. The handling advantage is worth it on it's own.

[Rick Dorion]

My car is basically a street car. I went with the SC&C adj UCA's and tall ball joint. I love the AFX spindle. Maybe some day for ABS when the rumored setup is available.

[Marcus SC&C]

Rick, yeah those comments were directed towards the tall spindles. BTW AFAIK they have a number of the std. height spindles in stock for those who already have the G mod and or tall ball joints. With both combined the geometry is almost identical to the tall spindles. We just released a new SD (Severe Duty) Xtra tall upper ball joint for 1st gens and A bodys too. It`ll be in our new Stage 1-Plus and Stage 2-Plus packages. Without doing the G mod the camber curves etc. are more aggressive than the G mod. Combined with it it`s even a bit more aggressive than the SC-AFX with the tall spindles. We`ve got the whole spectrum from mild to wild covered now and it`s all modular so we can tweak it to suit each individual car/driver perfectly. :) Mark SC&C

PS. Polished nickel ball joints with red caps...soooo shiny...you know you want em! :lmao:

[SS 454]

Hallo Marcus ,can you post a picture with the new SD xtra tall balljoint,can I update my stage two?( Chevelle 71 454SS) I`m really interested! :worship:

[4MuscleMachines]

Not wanting to hijack but just add a little more depth into the discussion:
Which Global West arm work best with the ATS A-body spindle?
The negative roll series arms for b-spindle swaps or the oem type "Gplus" GW arm?

Negative roll http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?lang=-1&catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=77723

G-Plus
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?lang=-1&catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=73104

[TitoJones]

It must be used with the Negative Roll arm for a B body 'tall' spindle, the OEM arm will have ball joint bind like a stocker would.

Tyler

[USAZR1]

It must be used with the Negative Roll arm for a B body 'tall' spindle, the OEM arm will have ball joint bind like a stocker would.
Tyler

I'm running stock A-body spindles with Global West and ART StrongArm control arms on my 69. Are you saying I would have to buy different control arms to run the ATS spindles?

[olds87]

How dose wickedmotorhead g-body handles? I'm still try to decide on going with SC&C stage 2 kit or the Street-Comp AFX.

[TitoJones]

I'm running stock A-body spindles with Global West and ART StrongArm control arms on my 69. Are you saying I would have to buy different control arms to run the ATS spindles?

Only the upper control arms. All A bodies would have to run a shorter upper control arm due to the increased height of the spindles, it isn't any different than a B body spindle in this respect. In fact, I made a post regarding this over at Chevelles.com where I had spoken with a tech guy @ Fatman who told me that their G-Force tall spindle did NOT need a shorter upper control arm, and that ball joint bind is not an issue. Very scary that they don't even know about that problem, nor do they realize the made A body bumpsteer worse than factory.

It is possible that Air Ride might swap out the strong arms for shorter ones, if I recall they put a set of our tall spindles on an A body in their shop for development.

Tyler

[USAZR1]

Only the upper control arms. All A bodies would have to run a shorter upper control arm due to the increased height of the spindles, it isn't any different than a B body spindle in this respect. In fact, I made a post regarding this over at Chevelles.com where I had spoken with a tech guy @ Fatman who told me that their G-Force tall spindle did NOT need a shorter upper control arm, and that ball joint bind is not an issue. Very scary that they don't even know about that problem, nor do they realize the made A body bumpsteer worse than factory.

It is possible that Air Ride might swap out the strong arms for shorter ones, if I recall they put a set of our tall spindles on an A body in their shop for development.

Tyler

Dang,I'm beginning to believe I'm going to have start all over up front just to utilize your spindles,Tyler. Can't run my Baer brakes,,can't run my GW & ART A-arms,,you think my ART Shockwaves will work with those spindles?
Please don't take offense but this idea is getting more expensive by the minute.

[TitoJones]

Clint-

None taken. I'm just trying to help get people informed about the suspension.

The brake incompatibility is unfortunate, but part of the engineering for the C5 hub, since we wanted to use the latest technology available to us. You do need to realize to alter the geometry requires changing of components for an A body car. At this point, it might be a better idea for you to go with the SC&C stage 2 ball joint mod.

Tyler

[Marcus SC&C]

Clint,where there`s a will there`s a way. :) There have never been more great suspension options for A bodys. The Stage 2 package Tyler mentioned will give you similar suspension and steering geometry gains vs. the AFX setup. The AFX setup is more agressive but the Stage 2 still makes very impressive gains and a huge improvement in performance and drivability. You can probably Ebay your existing GW arms for almost as much as a complete Stg.2 with adj. tubular arms. You wouldn`t be the first to do that. ;) If you have any questions give me a call at the shop sometime.

Tyler,the REALLY scary thing about FatMan and their spindle issues is that I pointed those things out to them 2 years ago at the SEMA H&R show when the spindles were still a plastic prototype! I didn`t have to tell them,they`re competition,but I thought I`d be a nice guy and save em some headaches. Sigh.... Mark SC&C

[USAZR1]

Clint,where there`s a will there`s a way. :) There have never been more great suspension options for A bodys. The Stage 2 package Tyler mentioned will give you similar suspension and steering geometry gains vs. the AFX setup. The AFX setup is more agressive but the Stage 2 still makes very impressive gains and a huge improvement in performance and drivability. You can probably Ebay your existing GW arms for almost as much as a complete Stg.2 with adj. tubular arms. You wouldn`t be the first to do that. ;) If you have any questions give me a call at the shop sometime.
Mark SC&C

I'm beginning to think you may be right,Mark. Just tried to call you a few minutes ago but I guess you had already closed up shop for the weekend. Will try again soon.

[Marcus SC&C]

I`m looking forward to it Clint. Sorry I missed ya. Mark SC&C