1969 Camaro almost done(LS2 & KB blower)

[Phillip_L]

I can almost see the finish line. I have been working on the car since about December.

Mostly, I have been waiting on the blower, which was finally released earlier this month.

I think I have a couple more weekends left. I will post dyno numbers when done. The motor is an LS2 with 9:1 forged piston, forged rods, ported heads, and blower cam.

I owe Tony Whatley credit. He helped alot with a parts list from his 69 Camaro.

Phillip Lawrence

[Phillip_L]

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[Nine Ball]

Dang, you are coming along nicely now! Glad to see the KB showed up, that car is going to be wicked fast.

BTW, my LS2 in the C6 put down 550 rwhp at only 5psi boost. Stock engine except for a 230/230 114 cam, longtubes, and the Magnacharger. That KB should put down even more impressive numbers!

Tony

[CRUSTY69]

phillip, looks freaking nice man!...

i have a quick question for you...
i have acsess to a bran new LS-6.. "cracked block"...can those just get welded up, and work?, or would it need a new block?..its a small crack, with coolent leaking

[Nine Ball]

depends on where the crack is. Since the blocks are aluminum, yes they can be welded. If it is an area where there could be high stresses, it might be a better idea to start with a new block.

[scogin918]

Did the blower you bought come with an A2W intercooler or is that just for the Corvette set-up? I was leaning toward the Pro-Charger until I saw the Kenne-Bell set-up on LS1tech.com. It looks like less of a packaging nightmare if you ask me.

[Todds69]

freakin' sweet.

[twoduners11]

wow!!

[Stoker420]

What is that rack you have in your car?

[Stu Seitz]

How much does the KB weigh?

[Rybar]

Looks awesome Philip! Your almost there....

[ProStreet R/T]

Beautiful car man, as much as I LOOVE turbos it's nice to see something different. :3gears:


In regards to the cracked LS6, as was stated aluminum blocks can be repaired very easily, but it all depends on the location of the crack. I've seen promod aluminum big blocks that had a rod come through the side be saved, just have to find someone qualified to fix it.

Though I have to say with how common LS6 blocks are it might be cheaper to just buy a good one if you have to have it sent out.

[Phillip_L]

Scogin918: The KB blower does have an air to water intercooler and a heat exchanger in the the front. I ordered the "Hot Rod" kit. It is the same blower minus the hood, intake plumbing, and boost-a-pump.

Stoker420: I used a Unisteer rack and ATS mounts. I did have to cut the oil pan to clean the rack. I removed as little as possible and had it welded locally.

JoeleanLS1: The kit came in boxes. The Fed Ex label showed 90 lbs. That would be for everything.

[Happyfunballs]

Nice!!

[Phillip_L]

It's alive!! I started the car last night. It sound pretty good. You can barely hear the blower. Once I get the finder and hood on the car, it will head to MTI. MTI will tweak the computer and dyno the car. I will post dyno numbers.

[Nine Ball]

Congrats! That sucker should make some nice power. Got some smaller pulleys handy -just in case-?

:)

[Phillip_L]

The blower is suppose to have a 8.5 psi pulley on it. KB does not really have a good idea which pulley I need with a LS2 engine and my other mods. We will use this one as a baseline and go from there.

I am guessing it will make more like 5 psi with this pulley (3.5"). 10 psi is the target. Jayson said I may be able to run a little more.

[1Fine69]

that engine looks absolutely beautiful. that kb is going on my motor.....even though i just bought it and got it in haha

[Phillip_L]

I put the hood on last night and it does fit. I was getting a little concerned. The KB is definitely taller than the Magnuson. It trimmed up some of the braces on the underside just in case. I really did not want to deal with taking the hood on and off. I used ATS mounts.

I should be going to the dyno tomorrow to get a baseline.

[Steve1968LS2]

Let me be the first to say...

:postpics:


(congrats and keep us updated!!)

[DJW32]

Phillip_L,
What transmission and headers are you running?
thanks

[Phillip_L]

Steve: I have tons of pictures posted. I am almost to my limit. I will get some pictures of the entire car tomorrow.

DJW32: I am running a T56 transission and Stainless Works headers.

Here is my entire list if you need it:

Motor:
Kenne Bell blower
MTI forged internal LS2 shortblock (No Core)
MTI LS2 stage 2E ported heads
MTI G1 blower camshaft
Lifters, push rods, guides
LS2 timing chain set
Meling HV oil pump and pickup
LS1 Camaro oil pan
Modified oil pan
LS1 engine PCM (1999-2002 Camaro)
Custom dyno/computer tuning
Engine wiring harness
LS2 water pump
Granatelli 85mm MAF
Nick Williams 90mm manual throttle body
Head gaskets
ARP head studs
MSD wires
NGK TR6 spark plugs
Valve covers
LS2 valley cover
Crank, cam, temp, MAP, oil sensors
LS2 front timing cover
Rear Cover
Crankshaft balancer (Corvette)
Camshaft backing plate
LS2 pilot bearing
Rear main seal
LSx starter
Header gaskets
LS1 O2 sensors
Rocker arms
Balancer bolt
Head crossover tube
LS2 coil packs and harnesses
IAC, TPS, regulator, snap ring, GM fluids
Three bolt polyurethane engine mounts
ATS adapter engine mounts
Lokar LS1 throttle cable
Lokar pedal
Lokar dip stick
Misc bolts
Custom intake plumbing
K&N cone filter

Accessories:
Driver Side Accessory Bracket
Idler Pulley
Passenger Side Tensioner
Alternator
Power Steering Pump
Power Steering Pump Pulley
Power steering fluid reservoir and cap
Power steering fluid reservoir fluid bracket
A/C Compressor Bracket
Gates serpentine belt (For Blower)
Stainless radiator hoses
Aluminum radiator for LSX, Fans, catch can
Vintage Air Kit
Vintage Brackets
Firewall plate
Optima "red top" dry cell battery Billet Mount
Truck Cable Kit

Exhaust / Fuel:
Rick's stainless gas tank w/ Bosh 040 pump
Mototron Injectors (60 lbs)
Braided Fuel lines and fitting
Stainless Works long tube headers
Stainless 3" exhaust w/ X-pipe and hangers

Drivetrain:
Rebuilt T56 6-speed manual transmission
Pro 5.0 shifter
ATS transmission crossmember
Custom master cylinder bracket
Master cylinder
Polyurethane transmission mount
LS7 clutch, pressure plate, & flywheel
Bell housing (Camaro)
Hydraulic slave cylinder
Shifter knob (6-spd pattern)
3150 Pinion
Aluminum driveshaft (3.5")
Powder coated rearend
3.73 gear set
Eaton posi differential
30-spline custom alloy axles (1541H)
Master overhaul kit (Bears, races, seals)
Aluminum differential cover and gasket
Intro 17x8 (5" BS) and 17x10 (5.5" BS) wheels
Nitto Z-rated performance tires

Suspension:
Unisteer rack & pinion steering kit
Global West upper tubular A-arms (Del-a-lum)
Global West lower tubular A-arms (Del-a-lum)
QA1 12-way adj front coil over shocks w/springs
Global West 1" front sway bar
Global West tubular subframe connectors
Global West billet subframe spacer kit
Global West lowering leaf springs (1 1/4" Drop)
QA1 12-way adj billet rear shocks
Rear leaf spring hangers and bushing kit
Stainless steel hard brake lines
Braided soft brake lines
Brake booster & master cylinder (1 1/8" Bore)
Wilwood emergency brake cable kit
Wilwood 4 piston Superlite with 13" rotors
Wilwood 4 piston Dynalite with 12" rotors
Brake proportioning valve

Interior:
Dynamat sound proofing
Head unit
Kicker amp, enclosure, subwoofer
New tilt steering column, steering wheel, ign
Center console (2002 Camaro)
Front 3-point seat belts
Dash pad cover
Covan custom dash panel
Autometer gauge set
Autometer boost gauge

[Phillip_L]

I dynoed yesterday. The car did pretty good, but I need work out a few things:

• The elbow I used on the inlet does collapse a little
• The motor shop sold me the smaller MAF (Replacement on the way)
• The power curve is wavy (Tony W felt it was a fuel problem) (I am going to clean this up an make it a lot simpler)
• I getting some smoke from time to time. It has done from the second I started the car. I will post pictures of the plugs in a separate thread. I going to do a compression check also.

At 7.5 psi, the car made 530hp at there rear wheels. Once I clean up the issues above, I will try a 10 psi pulley. The power is instant. We were doing pulls from 3,000 rpm to 6,500 rpm. The torque number shoot over 500 the second it punches the gas.

[Phillip_L]

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[mdprovee]

Damn nice Phillip!

[Rybar]

Your car looks Killer Philip! :cool: Great job getting it done you must feel like :woot:

[cmb570]

Very nice 69's WOW..!

[scogin918]

That is one bad mother clucker. I just might have to go the Kenne Bell route instead of the ProCharger.

[dropit69]

wow very nice..that console looks bad ass ..what year that from?..need a close up of it..great job

[formula]

veddy veddy nice!! Any chance you could get us an overall engine height measurement?

[Phillip_L]

I got the console idea from Steve and Z069 car. I think it is from 2002 Camaro. I pickup it up on ebay.

[protouring70]

Supe nice car!! Whew what it feels like to be almost done!:woot:

[1Fine69]

anybody know how those hogan blower ready intakes work?

[Payton King]

appears its going to be lots of fun.

What is the height difference front a stock intake to the top of the KB?

[Phillip_L]

From the top of the block to the top of the blower is about 9.5 inches.

I have two more pictures, but I am over my quota.

[79cutlass]

any updates???

[Phillip_L]

The car is done and I usually drive it on the weekends. I am still working out a few bugs here and there. I waiting for it to get a little cooler before I take it to the track.

[4MuscleMachines]

What are the final dyno numbers? I was looking into the same setup since I saw somebody with an LS2/KB combo put down 720+ft lbs tq from 2500rpm and above. :worship:

[Patrick]

What is your feedback on the KB. I am ready to order a S/C but can't decide between the KB or a Magnacharger.

Build Quality
Install
Drivability
Tech support


Thanks
Patrick

[Phillip_L]

My final dyno number is one of the "bugs" I am working on. The car surges on the dyno. We are trying to resolve this problem before raising the boost. The motor/dyno shop feels it is fuel related.

It is currently making 540 hp at the rear wheels at 7 psi. I have 9:1 pistons in the car so there is room to go up on the boost. The torque is unreal. I 500+ rear wheel ft lbs at 2500 rpm.

I just received a boost a pump and a stronger front pulley plate today.

I do not have any experience with the Magnacharge, but every thing has been great with the Kenne Bell. This is actually my first blower car. The install was very strait forward. Instructions were great with pictures. Drivability is good. My only problem is the blower belt wants to "walk" back a rib if I am really beating on the car. The new plate they send is supposed to resolve this issue. Tech support has great.

[Dave95Z28]

Did you ever get this issue figured out and the motor re-dynoed with 10psi+?

Dave

[BA.]

No doubt, I'd like to know too.

Phil, I have kept with this thread with anticipation of your outcome. MTi is one of those companies that I've had an eye on potentially, and the KB is up near the top of the 'want' list as well. (especially curious about that smoke issue earlier)

Thanks for the constant updates. Good on ya man! :twothumbs

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[slownova]

am i the only one that can't see any pics? i want to see! did it fit under a hood? how much of a cowl or what did it take?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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[Phillip_L]

I did solve the surging problem. Actually, Kenne Bell did. One of the technical guys spotted the problem in a picture. My MAF was too close to the blower. I had it basically attached to the throttle body to keep the system cleaner looking. Apparently, twin screw blowers can produce some feedback. I moved the MAF down by the air filter and the problem was solved.

This number smoothed out, but did not increase. I have not gone crazy on boost pressure yet. Kenne Bell does not feel I should go any higher, but MTI fells I could go up. I am still having a little bit of a belt issue (slipping and walking). I really thing is it from the Street and Performance A/C bracket. This bracket is more show than go. I need to call ATS and look into their accessory setup.

How much boost pressure can I safely run with 9:1 forged pistons and 93 octane pump gas?

I also ran down the track a few times. Nothing too impressive. I had a tire rubbing issue that caused me to really tighten up the rear suspension. I will fix the tire issue and run again next year. The car still ran 11.31 at 124.83 mph.

Phillip

[Phillip_L]

Here are two pictures. I thought this thread was done, so I pulled the picture to make room for others postings.

[DJW32]

Phillip,
The car looks great! Are you running a 90mm throttle body? If you are not, be sure to get a 90mm. The 90mm will really wake that motor up. As for boost, you can throw any amount of boost you want at that motor.

[Phillip_L]

I am running a LS1 Nick Williams 90mm throttle body. As far as boost, I do not know about that. The Kenne Bell is a 2.6 Liter blower that could probably produce up to 18 psi. I do not think the motor will take that on pump gas.

[DJW32]

Take a look at this
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0606_performance_sports_coupe_comparison/photo_01.html

The Ford GT uses a kenne bell housing with eaton internal parts. I think they spin GT blower to 22 psi. Also, the GT motor has forged internals. They ran these cars on 93 rocket brand gas.

I know this is a 331ci motor vs your 364ci LS2, but this is still on pump gas...for what it is worth
David