wrecks to riches..anyone like?

[dropit69]

ok he redid a 69 camaro tonight..and actually wasnt a bad price..but damn does the same guy bid on everyone of his cars..ardell...lol..i found it to be funny..guess im just jelous i cant buy them all..what do you guys think of the show?

[TonyL]

i only caught the end. looked like an ok build, got no idea if he mini tubbed it, or what kind of suspension is under it, but it looked ok.

was it worth 55? Not to me.

[romar 02 SS]

I just finished watching the show.Ilike the show,I loved the car.Nice color,nice engine and the stripe wasn't as goofy as the Chevelle's stripe was the first week.Not so sure about the accounting on the show though.Seems to me more money is involved than they're admitting to. Just my opinion. Larry

[4MuscleMachines]

I think he's fudging the numbers, I wouldn't be that happy if it only sold for $10k more. Not enough money for all the trouble. I think $55k was a fair deal for that car. Did anyone else think $25k for the red Camaro vert was cheap?

[enzo]

I took this from the lateral G site where I placed my original post.

"I just finished watching tonights episode of Wrecks to Riches where they built a 69 Camaro. That show is so fundamentally artificial. I have seen the last three episodes and the same people are on site bidding on the cars. I feel as if the good people of TLC have grossly underestimated their audience and think they can pull one over on the viewer. In addition, that car was a piece of caca. Anyone can slap a paint job and wheels on a car and say it's custom. If this Barry fellow is so "high profile", enough to warrant his own show, he should try building cars that will impress audiences with craftmanship and creativity. You can slap a bow on a piece of crap, but it's still a piece of crap. Just my thoughts after blowing an hour on the couch. Any comments???"

IMO - hope Barry is a member, I wouldn't mind a debate

[MrQuick]

I would have pulled it as soon as I saw that red one go for so little.

The 69 was pretty nice. It was funny to see such a professional shop pulling some real rookie mistakes. Alot of them.

Abit harsh there Enzo? :poke: He builds alot nice cars and well after Boyds show i've learned you can't always believe what you see on TV.

Nice ride and good build coverage but the rookie mistakes made me cringe. I doubt it was mini tubbed by the way they trimmed the quarters...ouch! $57K they deserved it.:hand: It would be nice to see it at BJ's and get more.

Same people....I think that guys owns the whole collection, and a new shirt.

[ProStreet R/T]

Yeah there is something seriously up with the red vert. Either totally fake just to make an impression of how nice the silver car was, or someone got a smokin deal.

The suspension looked pretty tame. Leaf springs out back, looked like DSE arms, stock subframe.

And i'm thinking they fudged the #'s quite a bit. That is unless they did the entire drivetrain, interior, wheels, brakes, and EFI for $15k. As they claimed to have near 30 into the body+paint. :confused:

[vanzuuk1]

I agree the show is a little distorted from reality but so far I have liked the look of each car.

[Jim68nC]

Personally, I like the show. That isn't to say that I believe all of it is as they would have you beleive however; with build coverage through to sale being represented in an hour show minus commercials, I can't say that I expect any more either. I do find it odd that Ardell (sp?) has bought the majority - protecting Barry's investment maybe, loves his work, has so much money that he can do as he pleases? Regardless, jealous comes to mind for me at least.

I've liked all the cars that I've seen so far as well. With respect to last nights show, was the Camaro a little rough - sure, was it total crap, I guess that's subjective - I've seen and started with much worse personally. I think region, budget and luck comes into play...work within your means and availability. In other words, I would have started with that shell - maybe not that much initial cost though. Crap? That makes my current 68 sewage I guess and my first 68 (lower income) ummm what's worse than sewage?

This sort of thing happens all the time of course (at varying degrees of sucess) however with national coverage depicting fast money, I fear this will serve to put many more vehicles out of my reach by driving prices even higher. Of course that's not Barry's problem but mine.

I love cars (as most here do), I like the show, I'm hooked but that's probably not too hard to do. I'm certainly not going to watch Survivor or whatever else is in fad these days. I still watch Byods show and I don't think there is anyone on there that I like much less the silly drama injected.

Anyway...just some thoughts before work...later.

/jim

[68fusion]

We forget it is supposed to be entertainment. Reality tv is so far from real it becomes entertainment. Makes for good laughs in the moring around the shop. I just like to see other people have the same problems We do...repaint stuff, problems with crappy repo stuff and mechanical troubles. Will I watch future shows ...probably...until they do a import or 4x4 truck...thats when I quit watching overhauling.

[rob07002]

I must say the purple GTX or whatever it is was way nicer IMO. Nothing special in the Camaro and some of the things they did to meet the "deadline" really bothered me. I didn't care for the stripes at all! If you going to put a factory stripe on the car then do it right, not their version of the Z stripes, hideous! For $57k its not even media blasted, I would love to see that car in a few years.... On the other hand that red vert was either a polished turd or someone got a smokin deal or the producers bs'd the number to make Barry's car look more high end.

Overall not a bad show but not believable either....

[Steve Chryssos]

I prefer VH1's Surreal life. Washed up rock-stars, transvestites, has-been actors. How can you go wrong?

All I've learned from Wrecks to Riches is that Barry White is a hack. Drama or not, professionals know better than to perform major cutting and welding AFTER paint. How could they not have test fit the wheels and tires beforehand? They should change the name of the show: "The Hot Rod Amateur Hour"

And the blurry images are driving me crazy. Maybe we should all chip in and send them a gallon of white paint and some white duct tape.

[MarkM66]

Only saw two whos, same guy bought the Orange Chevelle, and the Silver Camaro? At a different auction no less. That shows a joke, and is now unwatchable.

[FJB2069]

I know I'd be pretty sick if I bought the car and then later seen the show!

Why even try to build the car in 2 weeks? What is the point? I do not feel it adds anything to the drama of the show. I would think a lot of the people watching this type of show are "Car" people and want to see how to build a car properly, not how fast they can build a car. I would love to see american hot rod or similar show take a whole season to build one car and be able to see the detail. I guess I must be the minority and the majority of the viewers want to see the BS drama.

[enzo]

All I've learned from Wrecks to Riches is that Barry White is a hack. Drama or not, professionals know better than to perform major cutting and welding AFTER paint. How could they not have test fit the wheels and tires beforehand? They should change the name of the show: "The Hot Rod Amateur Hour"

I am with you there STREET. I can name TEN other builders with better shops, builds, staff, and personality TLC should consider before giving this tool a show. If you think I am being a little cruel, deal with it, jealousy, not even. At least on some of the other shows, they throw in a little craftmanship and even custom fab work. This may have well been a show on Earl Scheib and his quest to paint cars for $99.99. I'm over it - and by the way, American Hot Schlepp is another show that can go in the can - mainly because Boyd is a b--ch and needs to be taken out and shot. I am in a very opiniated mood this morning, thanks for reading.

[MattA]

I usually just record them on the DVR. Fast forward through the drama and watch the fabrication and end result. This technique is especially efective with Boyds show and Overhaulin.

matt

[Fuelie Fan]

Glad to know that we're all qualified to refer to past winners of AMBR awards as hacks...the approach to building a 2 week car is a lot different than building an award winner, but then us professionals should know that huh?
Yes there's a lot manufactured drama on this show, and also a lot of stuff that DOESN'T make the screen, use your imagination to figure out why, tv channels are businesses. I'm not particularly interested in following these shows after seeing some of that.
And no I'm not employed by Boyd or Barry, though I have done work for both of them in the past. I'm certainly also not claiming that he's the best in the country because he is not, especially when it comes to muscle cars which he had very little experience with prior to this show.

[Steve Chryssos]

Fuel,
I wouldn't know anything about being an AMBR winner, but since I have hacked on my own junk numerous times, I know a good botch job when I see it.

Some folks watched that show and now think that it's okay to:
1) First paint car.
2) THEN buy wheels and tires.
3) THEN take a wiz wheel to the quarter to make it all fit.

It would have been better for the wheels and tires to magically fit rather than to teach people the wrong way to fit wheels and tires. That scene should have been omitted--just as you described.

Does Bob Vila tell his audience to measure once and cut twice? Barry White is fortunate enough to have a TV show. He should use that opportunity to set a good example.

[Fuelie Fan]

But then where's the drama ? :)

[MrQuick]

You know Stevie, you bring up a good point...body guys always say other work has been botched. But after the same breath they do the same. When is a repair not botched and perfect?
As far as the wheels? Maybe it was an editing mistake?

And Fuelie, im not one to judge and I tend not to believe too much that comes out of a 32" screen either. But yes, you are right, drama brings in the ratings don't they?:dunno:

[4FTTY4]

Aren't the Dynacorn bodies retailing for around $13k? He should have just bought one of those rather than shelling out 6 grand for that rust bucket body and 9 grand more for new sheet metal. I don't understand how he could have his crew working on the car just about around the clock for a month and only end up with $45k in the car. I guess they're not counting labor costs...

[g500]

This is Chris, the Designer at Barry's Speed Shop. First of all I want to thank you all for watching Wrecks to Riches. I want to share a little "behind the scenes" info with you all.....

We had about 3-4 weeks total to build every car on the show. Not because of made up deadlines, but because TLC gave us 10 months to find enough auctions to take the cars to and it was up to us to get them all done. Trying to find a car, order parts, restore a wasted body, put it all back together and give it our own look took a hell of a lot of work from a very small handful of people and of course, some sponsors. They filmed about 460 tapes at 40 minutes a piece for the entire series, so a few things hit the cutting room floor.

Would we cut and weld on a painted car for a customer? Of course not. But we build cars in 1-2 years, not a couple of weeks. Time didn't allow us to do things in the "proper" order, so some people had to cut and weld while others were beginning to install parts. The car was way worse than what we initially thought it was going to be, which ate up alot of time at the paint shop. Why did we buy it? Because that's what we could find in the time that we needed it. If you continue to watch the series, you will see that some of the cars we started with really were wrecks, while others were really nice cars.

As far as test fitting the wheels, they were all new designs and just about all of them showed up at the last minute. Take it from me, getting all of the parts to get there on time is a monumental task. Sometimes you have to make something work because there was no time for trial fitting anything!

That Camaro was a nightmare of a build. Nothing showed up on time, people sent the wrong parts, or only part of the orders arrived. We were amazed that we finished it in time!

The buyer- I know many of you think that Ardell isn't a real guy, or he is a plant that is there for TV because he has bought more than one car. I assure you that he is not. He just happens to have a huge collection of cars and travels the auction circuit buying and selling as a hobby. I think we all wish that we could be that fortunate! You will see him from time to time at the auctions, but he doesn't buy them all.

And about that red Camaro.... that was really what that car sold for! It was the biggest bargain of the auction and a very nice car.

I hope you all continue to watch. Just keep in mind that it is as much or more about entertainment as it is about education. We are also putting together a new website www.supermusclecar.com that is updated every week that a new episode comes out. There is info and pics about the cars and links to where the parts came from. If you want to see more info about Barry's Speed Shop, go to www.barrysspeedshop.com.

[MrQuick]

Hey Chris, welcome aboard. Hope to see a MOPAR being build in a future episode?!?! Maybe a Cuda??? :edit: oops I guess I missed the GTX episode?
Did you guys really buy that body for 5k? Also what wrecker was that? Memory lane?

10 months isn't alot of time to do but Foose throws everyone off with the O-H, 7 day builds. Hope to see actual customer builds. Anything pro-touring themed?

[rob07002]

Would we cut and weld on a painted car for a customer? Of course not. But we build cars in 1-2 years, not a couple of weeks. Time didn't allow us to do things in the "proper" order, so some people had to cut and weld while others were beginning to install parts.


Welcome aboard Chris. I give you credit for speaking up.

First I want to say I think its great that you guys resurrected that Camaro. Giving new life to old cars is what this hobby is about.

Your statement above however does confuse me a bit though. You say "never on a customers car", yet an outsider did buy the car and for a substantial amount. So what does that make him??? Customer??? I for one would be pissed if I were Ardell and saw all the corners that were cut in that build. Its fine if your cutting corners on your own stuff or the shop's, but when your representing a car as quality and being done right by a reptable builder, thats what it should be and not a penny less.

I for one think all the car celebs should stand up for yourselves a bit more and not cave to the producers as much. Its not helping anyone who actually wants to learn something from a show like yours when they see shortcuts being made. It is The Learning Channel after all. It also doesn't help improve a shops reputation either. If I were to take what I see on these shows at face value, I would think Boyd was an a$$, and Barry does anything to get the car out the door. Now I don't know any of these car celebs personally, but I would guess its not like that at all, yet their depicted in unflattering ways.

Lastly, Please pass a message to the producers,that I don't care about deadlines, if you have them nor if you meet them. I am interested in the projects and the way a "professional" approaches car building.. It really is an insult to the viewers and doesn't add any drama or value to the show at all. Enough! No one believes them and I don't think I'm alone on this....


Regarding the 68 Vert that sold, all I can say is OMG!, what a steal, if I were the owner I would have bid just to prevent what happened. $25.5k for that car... Damn, never in the right place at the right time!!!!!

[enzo]

Just a thought Chris,
If you are the car designer...and you know what car the producers and Barry and everyone want you to build, why aren't the parts ordered beofre you buy the car i.e. engines (hemi satellite), wheels (camaro), suspension, gauges, interiors. When I commited to building my car and laid the design out, 50% of all the parts I needed were in my garage before the car was. I am assuming that TLC pays a hefty ransom for each episode so money must not be a problem. Although your show may be cool and fun for the average viewers, there are still thousands of people on sites like this that are part of a community, a community you, Barry, Boyd, Foose, and whoever else is on TV are part of. My point is the following, next time you and Barry have lunch, talk to him about what you read here, think about putting together better plans for each build, afterall, this is the highest profile cars coming out of the shop. When time and thought is invested, the results are always great. And one more thing, how much was the labor on that Camaro, the spendometer doesn't factor that. If you really sold that car for 57K that must have hurt.

[jeff5347]

Hey guys,
Want to give my pros and cons on the show also.
Pros:
Love watching old iron become new and vital again.
Gives me ideas on what to do to my 68 camaro
Lets me take and hour out of my night to rest and lounge.
That magna charger was sick. I have heard tem on newer kenne bell stangs and they sound evil and ready to pounce.
The cons:
Watching the camaro get built was confusing, here are my reasons.
1. The car was painted and then they cut the rolled lips of the rear 1/4s. Do it before you paint.
2. The sanding of the interior after the paint was applied.
3.Welding metal on the intake to make it fit. Heres a thought. return it and get the correct piece
4.if i drop my car off anywhere (which i never would) i would be raging mad if someone did a burnout in it. Whats with all the burnouts, i can drive with out doing one every 5 seconds.
5. $6200 for a car that you dont get on the ground to look at the floors or 1/4s or firewall or anything. Kinda insane
6. Also on that note wtf is the wife going to look at the cars with him for. Get the bodyman off his butt to look at it too so they can get a car that isnt so bad. Even though it can be fixed and should thru car guy rules.
7. The bodyman stated that he doesnt know if there are gonna be parts to fix the bottom of the firewall near the doors. Umm just a quick thought..DYNACORN. They make a complete conv 69 shell i think they have the pice your looking for.
8. One of my biggest complaints. WHERE IS THE SHIFTER> I WANT TO SEE A TKO OR A 200r4 or something. THEY GO AND PUT A PUSH BUTTON SHIFTER IN THE CONSOLE. WHAT GEARHEAD WORTH HIS WEIGHT IN Z11'S WOULD NOT WANT CONTROL. I WANT A NICE 5 SPEED OR At LEAST A SHIFTER HANDLE TO HOLD ON 2. MY .02 CENTS.
9. did they even take the subframe of and blast it or anything. it looked clean but id like to see them clean it and add the trick suspension.

I like the car and would def take it if given but it looks like it could have gone thru a better resto. like sand blasting or dipping.

[Steve Chryssos]

Chris,
Good to hear from you. Don't let those bozos sell you out. You are, by far, the most talented member of that crew. And yet somehow, you ended up as the weekly punching bag. Not good.

Don't worry about what Foose and Boyd are doing. Just run your own race. Your skills will take you far. And if Barry White has any integrity, he should pick the show producers up by their ears and eject them from the premesis.

[Jim68nC]

jeff Tivo it next time.....lol

they do show very brief clips of many details including dropping the subframe and sending off for blasting and powder.

3-4 weeks, 1 hr show minus commercials, commentary and auction....mine has been in the garage for 2+ yrs and this year isn't looking too promising = :worship:

nice to see my planned color scheme (although I seen it on a '68 at the Charlotte auto fair too - hmm :hmm: )

[lawbreaker2]

I like it, and I like the show, I would like to know what wheels those were, I was at the website but did'nt see them, so what is the name of them.:headbang: I need a set for my gto.:fingersx:

[restomodbird69]

I think the show is ok but i am withthe others that wonder why the same guy keeps buying his rides.And i wonder if the man hours are firugerd in the build cost.

[jeff s]

I had a customer think I could build him a 69 Camaro for 45K in 4 weeks after watching the show. That part's not helping our business. However the workmanship depicted is. Also, has any one here besides me actually priced a Dynacorn body? Complete with fenders, doors, hood, trunk, etc?

[vanzuuk1]

Chris, I said earlier in this thread I like the look of each car, so you get my thumbs up.You also get credit for being interested enough to come on this site and post.

The show has its flaws but I will keep watching it. Both camaro episodes have aired the the following day after I stay up all night working on my car, so I keep conking out at the beginning.

We all critique, yet we watch.

[Bertram65]

It may not be the most accurate depiction of restoring and modifying cars in terms of cost and time, but they are producing some super high quality cars bringing big money at auctions there is no arguing with that, I don't think too many on here can lay claim to that, never mind having your own TV show. It's easy to dump $50k in a car, it's a lot different to be able to sell a car for that kind of money plus.

[jeff5347]

Jim i did tivo it. hahaha i must have issed it. Dont get me wrong... any show to do with muscle cars is awesome in my book. And yea i think those guys are a talented bunch just thought the order of doing the project was a little scrambled. I also think the look of that 69 was mean. SO im not hating just stating that i should be in collaboration with the show and be given the car hahahahaha.

Question for anyone that might now. Thatwhole magna charger set up. what does that run for cost?

[hotrodgal]

Hello everyone! First, I just wanted to thank all of you for watching the show - whether you liked it or not, you're talking about it. Second, you should all know that we have been in this business for 20 years - started out in our garage and built it to where it is today (a 10,000 sq ft building), and we certainly didn't do it by being "hacks". Yes, we do have an AMBR trophy under our belt, and are currently building a contender for next year. We also have 30 cars in our shop in various build stages for a variety of owners. This whole TV thing came about because we were approached by the production company with the idea - we certainly didn't go looking for it. Last year was unreal - we moved into this new building, kept up work on all the customer cars, and started filming this series. TLC and Beyond Productions set the schedule, giving us 10 months to build the 10 cars - something about budgets and such. I had to do all the leg work in finding auctions that fit the production schedule they set for us, and they certainly didn't pay us to do it. We had to pay for all the cars we found, and yes, we got had on some of them. And the comment about knowing what cars we were building and having the parts waiting...well, I guess maybe we should hire you next time around to do this for us. We got the green light for this show the beginning of April last year...and the crew arrived on April 29, - our first auction was on June 2nd. We had to come up with a car, find sponsors who would generously donate parts, design wheels and have them made, do body work and paint, then assemble the car and have it running and driving in 4 weeks. This was the story for each car - it was only towards the end of filming that we were able to be "ahead" a little. And some of you are really just too concerned with what the "spendometer" says...some of it is correct, some is just for TV. All I can say is this - if a customer comes into our shop and asks us to build a car for him (or her), to do it the way we've built our reputation on, the price is anywhere from $80,000 to $100,000. And they are happy to pay it, because they know that it will be the baddest hot rod around. I really resent the fact that some of you can sit there and judge us without even knowing anything about what is going on - and why you call us "hacks" and "tools" is just beyond me. We have put our heart and soul into this industry for most of our lives, and just because we are successful doing it doesn't give you the right to belittle us. And last but not least, to the guy who wanted to know why I went with Barry to "check out" the Camaro instead of Tony, just understand that none of the cars actually came from a junkyard - they were all bought from private parties, and the junkyard scenes are for TV (the "wrecks" part of the title). This camaro was actually purchased from a guy who owned another body shop - and he totally misrepresented the car, and shame on us, we needed a car in a hurry so we bought it without completely checking it out. And since I've stood along side my husband for the last 25 years while he was building this business, I'd say I'm qualified to go look at cars with him. Thanks for watching!!
Becky

[Bill Howell]

Welcome to the board Becky. We hope you can hang around some in your spare time.
I need to watch the show to see what all the hupla is about. When does it air?

[Bob Johnson]

I was a little puzzled that you and Barry seemed so elated when the Camaro broke thru 45K..I would have thought you would have been despondent at anything under say 75K. I would have expected you to get giddy at say $100K..by the way..I liked the Camaro.... almost as much as your blouse..

[I_work_for_Barry]

I invite anybody to come to the shop and see the cars we build. Please come check out our hack junk. Come on down, take pictures, ask questions, do what ever the hell you want. I'll be at the shop all day tomorrow so if your in area come on down. Till the don't pass judgment. I have been with Barry and Becky for a while now and take building some of the baddest cars around very serious. We have a "G-machine" 55 chevy with a 540ci, twin turbo, fuel injectied, Aries big block we are building that I would love to let people look at. Come on down ENZO, you live in SoCal, I would love to see your car. Will your 69 make it from San Diego?

[Bob Johnson]

I invite anybody to come to the shop and see the cars we build. Please come chech out our hack junk. Come on down, take pictures, ask questions, do what ever the hell you want. I'll be at the shop all day tomorrow so if your in area come on down. Till the don't pass judgment. I have been with Barry and Becky for a while now and take building the baddest cars around. We have a "G-machine" 55 chevy with a 540ci, twin turbo, fuel injectied, Aries big block we are building that I would love to let people look at. Come on down ENZO, you live in SoCal, I would love to see your car. Will that 69 make it from San Diego?
I've been thru your shop a few years back when you shared space with Primedia..Having been on Barrett Jackson's Car Search and watching what actually got thru the cutting room and on TV, I know what you see on TV many times is nothing like what happened in reality. Unfortunately Orange County built a successful show on disfunction..seems like the rest of the producers are following suit..I've long admired your work..You don't need to defend yourself. Those of us that have seen your finished product, know you do quality work..It's much more time consuming to try and get parts donated..sometimes you wonder if it's worth the hassle..I enjoy your show..good luck with it

[I_work_for_Barry]

Thank you Bob. It's nice to hear a positive from a person that has seen our work and not so much quality bashing from people that have never seen our work in person. I hate to hear how everyone can do it better, do it faster and do it cheaper. If you can do it, then step up. I would also like to see the other 10 shops that can build a better car. I am by no way saying we are the best, but it seems like most of the people in this forum think we suck a$$. Barry puts more time into the shop then anybody. He's the first person in and the last person out. I would love to see some cars of the people that have been passing judgement on what we build. Again, I invite anyone to come to the shop, any day, any time. I work 6 days a week at the shop and we have two cars from the show at the shop that some of our local customers bought. We are open from 9am to 5pm monday through saturday but we stay at the shop till around 8PM most nights. Come take a look and then pass judgement on our quality. Streetfytr68, nice red roll bar padding and rear wing. Is the padding to cover up bad fabrication and the wing to take your eye off that ugly thing that goes down the side of your car? Look, I can pass judgement on a car I have never seen in person too.

Check this out

http://www.twistmachine.com/gallery/rock3.jpg

here is our hack job

http://www.supermusclecar.com/images/camaro/camaro2.jpg

[TonyL]

it seems like most of the people in this forum think we suck a$$.

I wouldn't say that. Based on what I saw, it was clear that "editing" had something to do with how the shop is portrayed. Based on what TLC showed me, (and what little real info i had) That looked like a build from hell.

I wish I'd have seen more of the show to have a better opinion on it.

[zbugger]

Ok, I've watched a couple episodes and I DON'T see "hack jobs" being built. All I see is some rushed work. While it is rushed, I don't see it as being bad work. I wish I could do some of that work myself. Thing is, I know most of what it takes to do that kind of work. It's not easy. I've dealt with suppliers not getting stuff out before. At my job, half the people don't know what it takes to do what we do, and the other half are repeat orders that have been through it before, so they know. Building a car in 4 weeks is tough. I remember staying up late getting a car ready for the track, but the parts weren't arriving in time. We got the car ready, at the last minute, but it should have been done a week before. And that was with no body work, and no taking the car down to a shell. It was also after both of our day jobs, so it wasn't even full time work. That makes what you guys have done more impressive to me. I take most of the drama with a grain of salt and I watch the build. While I don't agree with some things, most if it I can go with. Great job guys and I'm glad to see you guys , and girl, watching our second home here.

On another note, remember that this is the internet. There are a lot of people out there willing to be big man behind the keyboard. Don't take it to heart. Just do what you do andknow that there are those that don't know what goes on behind the scenes of a television show. We really love when someone comes out and explains what goes on behind the scenes. We have a member going by the name "TwinSting" on the site. He owns the Corvette built by Boyd's that was on the show. He told us how it worked with his car. I have yet to see that car in person, but I still like that car besides what I saw on the show. I've seen some of the Overhaulin' cars in person, and they haven't really impressed me. They are VERY nice cars however. You guys have put out better cars in the past. I like your work, and I'm actually glad to see you guys getting similar recognition. Although I wish you guys good luck when you go up against Chip Foose hotrod to hotrod. Please stick around and see what we've got here. There's more to us than what is in this thread. Welcome to the site and don't be strangers.

[MrQuick]

I hate to hear how everyone can do it better, do it faster and do it cheaper. If you can do it, then step up. it seems like most of the people in this forum think we suck a$$.
Come take a look and then pass judgement on our quality. Streetfytr68, nice red roll bar padding. Is that to cover up bad fabrication. Look, I can pass judgement on a car I have never seen in person to.

Dude are you pissed? Don't get upset over a couple harsh comments. Judgment is part of being in the spot light.Your lucky Yody can't post. :machine: [sarcasm]
You must be young...im the same way. I can't sit by a car I 've built at car shows. I'd end up in jail. :bicycle: [tongue in cheek]

Sit back and we'll enjoy your show. Oh and tell Barry to follow Brizio's lead...tell them editors/producers "we build them as fast as we want and how we want". Don't let some digital nerd ruin your reputation with bad editing. [serious advice]


btw, welcome to the site. Hope to see more projects from the shop.

Come on down ENZO, you live in SoCal, I would love to see your car. Will that 69 make it from San Diego? j/k
hoooo challege time...j/k we got a nice track day at SOWs next month. [serious] see racing events

[MrQuick]

On another note, remember that this is the internet. There are a lot of people out there willing to be big man behind the keyboard. next time I see you Allen, im gonna smack you over the head with my keyboard LOL.... Who said they were hacks? i must have missed that one??

[zbugger]

next time I see you Allen, im gonna smack you over the head with my keyboard LOL.... Who said they were hacks? i must have missed that one??
lol... You know my skull is three inches thick. Haven't you seen me walk under a car and hit my head and not flinch before? I dare you.... Oh, and read Steevo's comments again. Hell, you even replied to one of them. You hack.

[MrQuick]

Damn I forgot, your 2nd gen chromagnon... really? Hack?!?! ok i'll take that one LOL im getting old. welcome to the site too Becky.

[I_work_for_Barry]

Quick, I'm not mad, I take what I do for a living very serious. To have people talk smack about what they see on a reality car TV show is stupid. It takes about 40 hrs to make a 1 hour show and with comercials you get to see about 40 min. Thats over 39hrs of footage that you dont get to see. To read some of the posts that people have made on this site blows me away. It takes alot of time to do what we do and to have people discredit the quality of our work by calling us hacks is uncalled for. People can say what they want about the show and there is nothing anybody can do about it. Just give it a chance. The cars keep getting better, and the builds get a little easier. By the way, I'm 32, wife, two kids and been fabricating for about 15 years. Just a question, I thought the whole Pro-Touring thing was about old cars that looked good, sat low, could go around corners, stop on a dime, big wheels and have lots of horse power? Our cars do all of that. Oh yea, here is the post about being a hack.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I prefer VH1's Surreal life. Washed up rock-stars, transvestites, has-been actors. How can you go wrong?

All I've learned from Wrecks to Riches is that Barry White is a hack. Drama or not, professionals know better than to perform major cutting and welding AFTER paint. How could they not have test fit the wheels and tires beforehand? They should change the name of the show: "The Hot Rod Amateur Hour"

And the blurry images are driving me crazy. Maybe we should all chip in and send them a gallon of white paint and some white duct tape.
__________________
Steve Chryssos
Because four fat tires are better than two. That's why!
Twist Machine,LLC

[MrQuick]

Quick, Just wanted to let you know I'm 32, wife, two kids and been fabricating for about 15 years. see, I told you you were young! LOL, just having fun with you. Im 23 and been building cars since I was 13. Iam a hack.

I hope you can add to our tech sections. its nice to have industry people on the site.

[I_work_for_Barry]

Here is another car that we built at the shop that was in your DelMar Nationals gallery

https://www.pro-touring.com/events/del-mar-2006/225-2531_IMG.JPG

The owner of this 66 Nova is Tom P and he lives in northern California. It is a real SS car and now has a supercharged ZZ430 #311, 700R4, 9" ford with 3.55 gears, QA1 shocks, air, and a long list of other cool things. Someone from the site thought it was cool.

[blackbeast]

maybe i've have too much to drink but when you sign up for a show like this, you sign up for the criticism. So grow up!. i've watched the show, and i was unimpressed. Do you guys do great work? are you the best in the indusry? I don't know. If we put you on the same plane of O.C.C. they you'd really be in trouble.

Basically, all i'm saying is, take all the comments as constructive criticism, and make the show better!. I'll think you'll see the one thing that all threads like this have in common is that there's too much drama and not enough tech. WE ALL WANT THE TECH. I DON'T CARE HOW YOU STROKE ME, I JUST WANT THE RESULT!

[vanzuuk1]

Becky I was pretty fair with my comments, I love the look of the cars, I dont like the reality show nonsense (not your fault), and questioned the wheelwell trimming after paint. The people at your shop seem nice, dont let the tv guys talk you into contrived arguments.

You have got to expect a little mixed reaction from viewers. The only thing worse than people talking about the show is when they dont talk about it at all.

"I work for Barry", Steevo's car is a streetfighter, performance and attitude take priority over candy paint and show car detailing. If you want to read more about his car it was a cover car for Hot Rod magazine, you may have heard of that one.

I was told not to trim my wheelwells with a saw, if you roll the lip its less likely to cut the tire if you bottom out. If you expect single person to like what you guys are doing you will be dissapointed.

[Rick Dorion]

I think it's clear you all do fine work. I enjoyed the show. Take some comments with a grain of salt :)

I think if there's a message here , it's that these Reality based shows don't do you any favors as far as good press for what you truly are capable of accomplishing.

[Steve Chryssos]

Streetfytr68, nice red roll bar padding and rear wing. Is the padding to cover up bad fabrication and the wing to take your eye off that ugly thing that goes down the side of your car? Look, I can pass judgement on a car I have never seen in person too.

NOW THAT'S FUNNY. Here's why: The spoiler, the red roll bar padding and the rest of the car's style were developed in conjunction with YOUR DESIGNER, Chris Brown. Here's another link for you:

http://www.brownautodesign.com/cars.htm

That would explain why I'm so passionate about what I've seen on your show. In my opinion, blaming TLC or the production company is not acceptible. If the producers are causing SRRC to cut corners (literally) or the producers are representing SRRC as hacks then the right thing to do is kick them out of the shop and get back to building quality rides.

Re-read my original post: "All I got from the SHOW is that Barry White is a hack..." Emphasis on the word SHOW. That means that the SHOW is misrepresenting SRRC and our hobby in general.


Don't build the best car possible in four weeks--Just build the best possible car!

[Bill Howell]

Where is Rodney :dunno: I know he could sort this out!

[Bob Johnson]

Ok, I've watched a couple episodes and I DON'T see "hack jobs" being built. All I see is some rushed work. While it is rushed, I don't see it as being bad work. I wish I could do some of that work myself. Thing is, I know most of what it takes to do that kind of work. It's not easy. I've dealt with suppliers not getting stuff out before. At my job, half the people don't know what it takes to do what we do, and the other half are repeat orders that have been through it before, so they know. Building a car in 4 weeks is tough. I remember staying up late getting a car ready for the track, but the parts weren't arriving in time. We got the car ready, at the last minute, but it should have been done a week before. And that was with no body work, and no taking the car down to a shell. It was also after both of our day jobs, so it wasn't even full time work. That makes what you guys have done more impressive to me. I take most of the drama with a grain of salt and I watch the build. While I don't agree with some things, most if it I can go with. Great job guys and I'm glad to see you guys , and girl, watching our second home here.

On another note, remember that this is the internet. There are a lot of people out there willing to be big man behind the keyboard. Don't take it to heart. Just do what you do andknow that there are those that don't know what goes on behind the scenes of a television show. We really love when someone comes out and explains what goes on behind the scenes. We have a member going by the name "TwinSting" on the site. He owns the Corvette built by Boyd's that was on the show. He told us how it worked with his car. I have yet to see that car in person, but I still like that car besides what I saw on the show. I've seen some of the Overhaulin' cars in person, and they haven't really impressed me. They are VERY nice cars however. You guys have put out better cars in the past. I like your work, and I'm actually glad to see you guys getting similar recognition. Although I wish you guys good luck when you go up against Chip Foose hotrod to hotrod. Please stick around and see what we've got here. There's more to us than what is in this thread. Welcome to the site and don't be strangers.
I said it once, and I'll say it again. Getting all the parts BOUGHT and delivered for a build is one thing, getting them DONATED is a horse of a different color. Takes a lot of begging/time/follow up/past success/reputation/exposure past and present etc. Watching the Barrett Jackson Car Search shows that I was involved in made me wonder if I was actually present when the actual shooting took place. It was twisted around to make it look like that clown producer wanted it to appear. They wanted and orchestrated drama when none was really present. Their shenanigans wound up getting them and Barrett at odds and the show getting cancelled.

[Bob Johnson]

Where is Rodney :dunno: I know he could sort this out!
ain't you heard..he's dead..

[baz67]

Streetfytr68, nice red roll bar padding and rear wing. Is the padding to cover up bad fabrication and the wing to take your eye off that ugly thing that goes down the side of your car? Look, I can pass judgement on a car I have never seen in person too.

Check this out

http://www.twistmachine.com/gallery/rock3.jpg

here is our hack job

http://www.supermusclecar.com/images/camaro/camaro2.jpg



Uh,oh everyone duck. :drive2:

[zero g]

"NOW THAT'S FUNNY. Here's why: The spoiler, the red roll bar padding and the rest of the car's style were developed in conjunction with YOUR DESIGNER, Chris Brown. Here's another link for you:

http://www.brownautodesign.com/cars.htm"


Now that is priceless................

[I_work_for_Barry]

Streetfytr68, I think that Chris came up with the multiple renderings for your car a few years back and you chose that one right? Well times change and so does style. I take it that you want to keep a peice of 90's styling history all to your self.

[enzo]

for the record, I have so far made two pretty long posts. My first I will admit was a little heated - I was really disappointed with the Camaro build as I have one myself, and contrary to popular belief it will make it to Corona. My second, if you read back, is a direct response to Chris, and I feel it was much more constructive. I want to go ahead and apologize to Barry's family. Becky (Mrs. Barry) my comments about your husband may have been out of line and character for me, and if I caused you or him or your daughter any dismay, I am sorry.

As for the employee guy (I work for Barry) ...dude do not call me out. You don't know me, nor me you. I understand you were upset, as I was too. My car is cool and I am sure your work is too. Keep in mind, unless I had been to your shop, the only thing I know about you guys is the TV show. It is not a personal attack - it is a professional one on the SHOW. So take it easy, relax, look inward not outward. Now you know your audience, maybe this will cause for some different decisions to be made, or not. Point is, the spotlight will open up a lot of cans, and unfortunately some of those cans are filled with worms. Anyway, let me know when you want to meet me on PINKS and we can race for that 55...hahahaha. You will find that this site is much more fun to visit if you end the aggression with yourself before letting your fingers go crazy. I know that was my lesson learned.

[baz67]

:hand:
Streetfytr68, I think that Chris came up with the multiple renderings for your car a few years back and you chose that one right? Well times change and so does style. I take it that you want to keep a peice of 90's styling history all to your self.:hand:

[evo69]

:enguard:

this thread is going downhill fast!

[blackbeast]

Streetfytr68, I think that Chris came up with the multiple renderings for your car a few years back and you chose that one right? Well times change and so does style. I take it that you want to keep a peice of 90's styling history all to your self.

now that it's the morning and i've sobered up, all i can say is i hope becky has enough sense to stuff a sock in your mouth and make you apologize for attacking the members of this sight. When you start a show like this, you have to expect all sorts of reactions. EVERYONE EXPECTS BETTER OUT OF YOU GUYS BASED UPON REPUTATION. How is that bad? to resort to personal attacks is just plain childish.

have a good day, get a dictionary, and look up Tact while your sitting on the throne.:thankyou:

[enzo]

well said BlackBeast

[Steve Chryssos]

I think my message is clear.

[blackbeast]

I think my message is clear.

so when are you going to barry's to get that garish roll bar and spoiler fixed? :injured:

btw, can i have your car?

[Steve1968LS2]

Thank you Bob. It's nice to hear a positive from a person that has seen our work and not so much quality bashing from people that have never seen our work in person. I hate to hear how everyone can do it better, do it faster and do it cheaper. If you can do it, then step up. I would also like to see the other 10 shops that can build a better car. I am by no way saying we are the best, but it seems like most of the people in this forum think we suck a$$. Barry puts more time into the shop then anybody. He's the first person in and the last person out. I would love to see some cars of the people that have been passing judgement on what we build. Again, I invite anyone to come to the shop, any day, any time. I work 6 days a week at the shop and we have two cars from the show at the shop that some of our local customers bought. We are open from 9am to 5pm monday through saturday but we stay at the shop till around 8PM most nights. Come take a look and then pass judgement on our quality. Streetfytr68, nice red roll bar padding and rear wing. Is the padding to cover up bad fabrication and the wing to take your eye off that ugly thing that goes down the side of your car? Look, I can pass judgement on a car I have never seen in person too.

Check this out

http://www.twistmachine.com/gallery/rock3.jpg

here is our hack job

http://www.supermusclecar.com/images/camaro/camaro2.jpg

While I don't like flaming others work calling out Steevo was most likely not a great idea.. lol.. The padding is for safety. Remember that guys here build functional cars as well as "show" cars.

I personally liked the show with the exception of the manufactured drama and the fact that the build costs were not reasonable.. come on now.. $30k to build the Chevelle? Also, I don't think it was fair to count the car cost as zero just cause you already had it. It still had value. I know most of this done for the consideration of the Cameras and to appeal to non-car people.

We just shot a blue Nova (magnacharged) that Barry recently finished. It was a very nice car and the quality seemed very nice. Then again it wasn't built in 2 weeks for an auction. Still, Barry is known for doing quality work, just wish the show didn't need to inject so much drama. lol

Welcome to the site and hope you don't run away.. the interweb can be a brutal place at times. After all, everyone has an opinion.

[Steve1968LS2]

Here is another car that we built at the shop that was in your DelMar Nationals gallery

https://www.pro-touring.com/events/del-mar-2006/225-2531_IMG.JPG

The owner of this 66 Nova is Tom P and he lives in northern California. It is a real SS car and now has a supercharged ZZ430 #311, 700R4, 9" ford with 3.55 gears, QA1 shocks, air, and a long list of other cool things. Someone from the site thought it was cool.

And this is the car we just shot and will be in the August issue.. nice ride BTW

Keep in mind that the way they edit these shows does not always put the shops in the best light.. Take Boyds show.. by watching that show would you want to take your car there? The editing makes them all look very unprofessional and the shop look like it's ran badly. The producers of the show just want ratings and they really don't care if that comes at the cost of a shops reputation.



Streetfytr68, I think that Chris came up with the multiple renderings for your car a few years back and you chose that one right? Well times change and so does style. I take it that you want to keep a peice of 90's styling history all to your self.

So, are you saying that the cars Barry built in the 90's suck now?? Or do Chris's designs suck now?

Will the blue Nova suck in a decade or two? I don't think this is a good road for you be going down.. Steevo explained that the SHOW gave him the impression of the shop. To continue to attack his ride in not taking the high road.

[enzo]

I think the guy that works for Barry is working for Barry right now. I wonder how he is going to feel when he gets off work and he reads all our comments.

[I_work_for_Barry]

Enzo, Your right, I'm at work. I would love to see your car. Don't take this as calling you out, because I'm not. All I have is stuff that is built to go a 1/4 mile at a time. I never called any cars on the site junk or hack jobs and I never would. I would like to see you car because I like cars that have been built not just bought.

Steve, Things change over time and style is one of them. I have looked at some of the best cars ever built and some of them were built in the 90's. We have a 33 Ford roadster in the shop that Barry built in 1987. The car is gumby green and to this day the car wins shows. Everybody has an idea of whats bitchen so to each his own. I personaly think that some things are better unseen like rollbar padding.

[TonyL]

Thing is, I dont think how it looks was the first thing on steves mind. Its a matter of safety. Steve drives his car hard and that padding is needed. Ever seen what happens when you smack your head on a roll bar tube? Padding looks better than brains on a roll bar tube in my book anyday. Might not be the show car thing to do, but to each his own.

[I_work_for_Barry]

I could'nt agree with you more abot the function of rollbar padding but they do make it in black as well.

Check this stuff out. It's alot easier to get in and out of incase of an accident.

http://www.taylormotorsports.com/Search.bok?category=Roll+Bar+Padding

no zipties needed

[MuscleRodz]

I personaly think that some things are better unseen like rollbar padding.Steevo and many others here firmly believe in function over form especially when it comes to safety.

I have seen SRRC's work on other shows like CUT,CHOP, REBUILD, and Ridesand I was very impressed then. However, the new show rubs me wrong. Foose won't hardly compromise with Overhaulin' and I don't think Barry should have with the new show. It is not flattering. I don't even care for the crap on Amarican Hot Rod either. I know Boyd and SRRC build some nice stuff, but the shows do not reflect the true chararcters of either shop.

Mike

[andrewb70]

Enzo, Your right, I'm at work. I would love to see your car. Don't take this as calling you out, because I'm not. All I have is stuff that is built to go a 1/4 mile at a time. I never called any cars on the site junk or hack jobs and I never would. I would like to see you car because I like cars that have been built not just bought.

Steve, Things change over time and style is one of them. I have looked at some of the best cars ever built and some of them were built in the 90's. We have a 33 Ford roadster in the shop that Barry built in 1987. The car is gumby green and to this day the car wins shows. Everybody has an idea of whats bitchen so to each his own. I personaly think that some things are better unseen like rollbar padding.

Mmmm...gumby green 33 Ford roadster....Classic style!....












If your Sonny Crockett and Rico Tubbs....:poke:

Andrew

[TonyL]

oh. And I'd like to point out that steves spoiler is way cool, and one of the first of MANY more like it before that style trend has run it's course. Several other cars have NASCAR style looks, because it works.

[I_work_for_Barry]

I give up Tony, I'm glad you think his wing is way cool. No matter what I say to you it will be picked apart so I guess I'll just stop. I have been on other forums for many years and have never seen a moderator so one sided. Have a nice day.

[TonyL]

(comes here, attacks a longtime member and sponser in his first post ever, I respectfully disagree and I'm picking him apart?)

Whatever bub. My moderator status has nothing to do with weather i agree with you or not. If I were truly evil and biased I'da had a field day editing your own posts to make you look like the tool you are.

But we didnt go there. Like it or no, the cars that make up pt.coms members are leaning more twords the actual "use" catagory and not show cars. Dont like to be critisized? don't put your work on TV for everyone to judge. You guys are so buzy proving you CAN build a car in a short time, you never thought to think if you SHOULD. It's bad for business. It portrays your shop in a bad light to those in the know.

oh. and one last thing. Steves roll bar padding: Didnt catch at first that your beef was that it was RED. If it were mine, I'd have black so it would disappear. But it's his car and if he likes it that's his call I guess.

/sorry you think I'm mean. I'm not. Lets not forget who sank to calling out specific people here, and who took the high road.
//Still say sheet metal spoilers are cool.
///carbon fiber ones would be better.

[zbugger]

I wouldn't say that Tony's being one sided. He's just defending a long time site member. But I'll explain a little about Steevo's "thing" for safety. His car wasn't built "just to look like a race car" so to speak. He's got a thing for performance. Hell, I do to and his car has me inspired. Why does he have a thing for safety? How's this for an explanation?

https://www.pro-touring.com/featured_cars/Camaro/1968_Camaro/steve_chryssos_68_camaro/wreck.jpg

He and his wife survived, and now he doesn't want ANYTHING like that to happen again. The padding is a necessary evil for him. I won't go into what my car is getting, but that's because at this rate, it's about 30 years away.

Anyway, everyone builds cars for a different reason. Just as you don't like Steve's car, there are others that love it. There are some show cars that I don't like. Some damn nice cars too. They're just not my style. I accept that fact, and I move on. I don't try making my point someone else's opinion. Just like I know Steve Rupp is doing a body color engine compartment (that's a pet peeve to me as I like the engine to look like a jewel in a black engine bay), I'm just stating an opinion that I will no longer like his car. It's junk to me now. He can go to hell for it..... Ok, not that far. I still like the car, but under the hood will bug me. It happens, I get over it.

Personally, I know you are coming off defensive to the company you work for. It's understandable. We're defending a long time member and site sponsor. If you don't want to hang out here because you think we're one sided, that's no skin off our back. You can have fun building your cars, and we'll have fun sitting at our computers. Thanks for the show and I hope you had fun too.

[trapin]

I like television. :rolleyes:

[TonyL]

I'd also like to add that I've seen the great chip foose cut a hole in the middle of a freshly painted hood so an air cleaner could fit, all the while Chris is saying "You are witnessing a master at work."

My stomach turned. A "master" would never have done that. But it is overhaulin and time is a major issue on that show.

Just like the other guys have said, I wish that the producers of these shows would get that we want to see cars built the right way. No time crunch, no corners cut. We want to see tips we can use from the real masters of the industry. Seeing stuff like taking a cutoff wheel to a quarter panel after paint is a letdown is all.

[baz67]

Enzo, Your right, I'm at work. I would love to see your car. Don't take this as calling you out, because I'm not. All I have is stuff that is built to go a 1/4 mile at a time. I never called any cars on the site junk or hack jobs and I never would. I would like to see you car because I like cars that have been built not just bought.


Streetfytr68, nice red roll bar padding and rear wing. Is the padding to cover up bad fabrication and the wing to take your eye off that ugly thing that goes down the side of your car? Look, I can pass judgement on a car I have never seen in person too.


Not exactly calling Steevo's car a hack job, but it sure sounds like you are.

You should just take a step back and take a breath before you dig yourself into a deeper hole. As you can tell the members do not have a high opinion on you. That is your doing by your two sided talk and attitude. You say you take pride in what you do, but do not take pride in how you present yourself. I find that interesting.

[blackbeast]

I for one would like to see a picture of what Mr. cocky actually owns, let's see your style.

and btw. I will gladly post of a pic of my rusted 22 year old truck. If i wasn't in college, i'd probably be nicer...

[enzo]

Why would I want to go up to Barry's shop to show you my car. Have you seen what 92 costs. Besides man, you gotta chill out on these sites. This is a group of people who come here to enjoy conversation, not bicker about your taste in foam coloration. If you want to make a mark here, try reading about the people you are posting about. For the record, we never shot you or barry or anyone at your company an email about the episode in question. We were here talking about it and you jumped in. Everyone here loves their cars and their hobby as I am sure you do, no need to argue over whose automotive pallet is superior. If you gotta cool car - post it, if not then shut up. I already took back my comments so I think it's time you do the same. Everyone here has been working on cars as long if not longer then you - just because you pick up a W-2 from it - does not make you a subject expert.

[MrQuick]

I would like to thank the moderators for not closing this thread. Its nice to see members engaged in a nice adult debate.


If you want to make a mark here, try reading about the people you are posting about. For the record, we never shot you or barry or anyone at your company an email about the episode in question. We were here talking about it and you jumped in.
you didn't expect him to sit back and read the flaming did you? Lets all get together at Willow springs and have a cold one on it?

[enzo]

never expected anyone to just take it. But he really made some "personal" attacks.

How about we all get to gether and see who's car is fastest. I like looking at paint and wheels but would rather see a grill in my rearview. Name the date and I will be there - west coast only.

[Steve1968LS2]

never expected anyone to just take it. But he really made some "personal" attacks.

How about we all get to gether and see who's car is fastest. I like looking at paint and wheels but would rather see a grill in my rearview. Name the date and I will be there - west coast only.

Well, in all fairness there were some pretty good shots taken at the show and Barry's shop before that guy even showed up.. or at least something that I could see him taking as a "shot".

The guy from Barry's shop needs to just take a breath and not care so much about opinions of guys on the internet. Maybe explain how real life differed from the show and what people saw on TV. Taking shots at other peoples cars doesn't help anyone.

Can't we all just get along?

[Bob Johnson]

And this is the car we just shot and will be in the August issue.. nice ride BTW

Keep in mind that the way they edit these shows does not always put the shops in the best light.. Take Boyds show.. by watching that show would you want to take your car there? The editing makes them all look very unprofessional and the shop look like it's ran badly. The producers of the show just want ratings and they really don't care if that comes at the cost of a shops reputation.




So, are you saying that the cars Barry built in the 90's suck now?? Or do Chris's designs suck now?

Will the blue Nova suck in a decade or two? I don't think this is a good road for you be going down.. Steevo explained that the SHOW gave him the impression of the shop. To continue to attack his ride in not taking the high road.
are you saying you would consider carrying your car to
Boyd's shop? maybe going to work there like the Riz did?

[Radlark]

Every now and then I will chime in! SRRC are some top notch folk, but one guy in particular needs to tone it Waaaaaaaaay down cause my man you are taking the general opinons of fellow car builders tooo personal, I realize you work at Barry's but dude we are going to be human and we are going to make comments! We all build our cars to OUR liking not to the industry! You my friend are wearing your personal feelings on your shoulder! It is not wether you build an AMBR it is the way you choose to build your car on a personal level! As one other memeber said just because you draw a W2 doesn't give you the right to judge set the standard of a car build! Build it the way you like and be happy with it, we are indiduals and we reserve the right to give/voice our opinoin regarding a build on a vehicle. Wether we are right or way the F@#$ out in left field we can do that! That being said I think the build on the Camaro was VERY nice given the time frame!

Thanks and i'm out!!

[MrQuick]

never expected anyone to just take it. But he really made some "personal" attacks ahhhhh, it seemed to get pretty personal with the start of your first post?? I mean you followed it up here from LatG. But thats over now.


How about we all get to gether and see who's car is fastest. we get together to have fun and not make it a "who can put a full inch on the table" or "an ego's out chest beating thrash race". Its a bunch of car guys getting together having a good ole time type race. No trophies here, just friendly racing.


but would rather see a grill in my rearview. Name the date and I will be there - west coast only. May 13-14 Willow Springs raceway. Come out, the more the merrier. Watch me nail a wall! :drive1: :injured:

[Bob Johnson]

Everyone keeps hammering "I work for Barry"..I read his posts and the replies..I just don't think he was out of line the way some of you think. He works for a shop that does quality work and their credentials back it up. He takes pride in what he does. He might have gone one toke over the line but it wouldn't have offended me. He didn't go over as far as comments criticizing Barry's shop. You attacked him and he fired back. They pull threads off here everytime somebody gets a little riled up..toughen up..he didn't say anything negative about your mama..phuk political correctness and etiquette. I haven't met you, but I like you already. I look at it like bantering..His posts were not like some of these 16 year old kids trying to be something they're not..I actually agreed with his comments.. I like to know where somebody is coming from..instead of sending PMs to others for fear we will step on someones toes, say it out in the open..but that's why they have me with a disclaimer below my posts..

[Bill Howell]

Bill-->:spank2:<--Bob

[JV69z/28]

Well put Bob Johnson! I think the guy was trying to defend his employer and the work the shop turns out for their customers. Also keep in mind what is written may not be read the way it was said or meant. You can't tell if someone is laughing or outraged when you read what they are trying to say. Everybody's point is well taken but also left to that individual to inturpet. The show provides conversation but it doesn't have to turn into war. Also and maybe the most important point - the show is for the average car guy - the people that participate the most on this site are way beyond average. The average guy would love to have that 69 Camaro. To him it would be a dream to have something as nice as the cars a lot of the people on this site have. Be mindfull of that and thankfull you are in a postion to critique. Happy Easter everyone!

[Steve1968LS2]

are you saying you would consider carrying your car to
Boyd's shop? maybe going to work there like the Riz did?

No.. I can't afford Boyd.. lol

They do good work but thier show doesn't exactly make them look all that competent.. But, that's TV for ya!

Work there and give up my dream job?? :lol: Besides, I would most likely shoot Dwayne in the forhead within the first day..

[wickedridz]

the way i see it is that the show actually showcases more then the typical "belly button" cars that are being built today. i cant remember the last time i saw a 71 plymouth and thought muscle car let alone 18 and 20 inch wheels dripping in plumb crazy purple. i for one dig it, the dare to be different bar has been raised.

[romar 02 SS]

Can't we all just get along? I don't blame I_Work_for_Barry for defending the shops' work.I also think enzos first post was a little harsh. I further think Cooter was correct in his opinion of Beckys blouse. Just my .02. Larry

[Bob Johnson]

Bill-->:spank2:<--Bob
hurts so good

[MrQuick]

gross, thanks for thst visual Billy....gagggg, LOL

[I_work_for_Barry]

Nice cars Steve. Do you ever go to any of the PSCA events at fontana?

http://www.pscaracing.com/

[hotrodgal]

OK, everyone - we all knew when we took on this show that some people would like it, and some wouldn't. If we all had the same opinion, it would be a pretty damn boring world. The biggest thing on our minds when they approached us for this project was - would we be able to produce a car we could be proud of in the time frame allowed? Yes, there are some things that we did that we definitely would not do if we had our normal build time (like the "adjustment" for the tires). But come on, I think we did pretty damn good considering we only had 4 weeks to do it. And someone made a comment about how excited we were about only getting $57,000 for the Camaro - to be honest, everything else was bringing less than $30,000, so we were really getting nervous about it. Sure it would have been nice to get more, but it is what it is. Anyway, I'll go slap my guy's wrists - he's just intensely loyal and loves what he's doing, and gets a little passionate about it. And thanks for the comment on my attire!!
Becky

[TonyL]

But come on, I think we did pretty damn good considering we only had 4 weeks to do it.

I'll give you that much. It was a miracle that car looked as good as it did, given the time frame. Thanks for not taking things too personally. And in light of how this thread turned out, there's one thing for sure.

I won't miss the next episode.

;)

[Bob Johnson]

OK, everyone - we all knew when we took on this show that some people would like it, and some wouldn't. If we all had the same opinion, it would be a pretty damn boring world. The biggest thing on our minds when they approached us for this project was - would we be able to produce a car we could be proud of in the time frame allowed? Yes, there are some things that we did that we definitely would not do if we had our normal build time (like the "adjustment" for the tires). But come on, I think we did pretty damn good considering we only had 4 weeks to do it. And someone made a comment about how excited we were about only getting $57,000 for the Camaro - to be honest, everything else was bringing less than $30,000, so we were really getting nervous about it. Sure it would have been nice to get more, but it is what it is. Anyway, I'll go slap my guy's wrists - he's just intensely loyal and loves what he's doing, and gets a little passionate about it. And thanks for the comment on my attire!!
Becky
Watch the venues you choose to sell your cars. Mitch Silver is one of the hardest working guys in the auction game, but a few of his venues are weaker than his others as it is with most of the other auction companies. Certain venues do better with a different type of car that might be weak at another venue. Hot Rods, Muscle, and restomods, etc do much better at specific auctions. Check past results and pick your spots. That was too cheap for that car and that's why I was surprised you guys were so elated. Silver Reno, Barrett Jackson, several of Mecums sales, R&M at certain sales, Russo Steele at Monterey and even Scottsdale are a few that come to mind. That car at Barrett would have done $75K and wouldn't surprise me if it hit $100K if it was primetime and you worked it right. Don't slap his wrists..he's got spunk..I like Barry's taste in cars..and women..lol

[hotrodgal]

Hi Bob,
I wish we could have chosen better venues for some of our auctions...but as I said earlier, we were given a production schedule and had to find auctions to fit it. No offense to Mitch, but we probably wouldn't go back to Jackson Hole. Reno, on the other hand, was a good one. Barrett Jackson was off limits because they're locked in with Speed Channel, otherwise we would have gone there too. If we get a second chance to do this, I'll definitely make sure we hit the big guys.
Becky

[Orngcrush69]

I like the show. What do you want? They have 4 weeks to do the build, an hour to show it to you, and then have to find an auction somewhere to sell it.:dunno:. I'm sure these were stipulations of the show, and they're getting it done. It's a "show", do you think that every car coming out of that shop takes 4 WEEKS!?!? It took us 2 years, just to make mine look half that good!!! I would hope the buyer would be aware of a 4 week build also. And yes...I love saying "OH man, I could do that better" or "I did that better!" I call it motivation! the producers call it ratings.
I still hope the invite to the shop is still open, and welcome to protouring.com.

[Bob Johnson]

It amazes me that the Boyd builds on TV are depicted as being built all wrong..problems all along the way etc. then they come to the auction and some rich as* pays stupid money when it's already been on TV as a thrown together in no time POS..This is a big ol world out here.. people just don't pay attention to the guys that do good work...you ask the average Joe who builds the best bikes around..he'll tell you OCC and Jessee James..lotta hype & BS & very little substance and voila..big money..the weird thing is that some of the biggest suckers are guys with a ton of business Saavy and are rich as all get out..one such guy has kept Boyd alive for over 3 years now..bet he's paid Boyd over 6 million directly or indirectly over that time period..wild thing is, he doesn't want the spotlight..he's the biggest buyer at Barrett..yet he doesn't want to get filmed..he doesn't even want the camera to film him buying a car..he funded the 63 Dodge car for Make a wish..paid Boyd to build it.. with no credit given..then bought it over the block for 7 or 8 times its worth. He buys charity cars over the block, gives them back to Barrett to run and generate more revenue for the charity. he's bought nearly all of Shelby's charity cars if not all of them. paid 500K or so and then gave it back..I'm jealous..I want on that tit..lactose free 100% cream baby..

[CRUSTY69]

"hey, i wonder if they make that piece???" (side cowl skin.)

[Bob Johnson]

Hi Bob,
I wish we could have chosen better venues for some of our auctions...but as I said earlier, we were given a production schedule and had to find auctions to fit it. No offense to Mitch, but we probably wouldn't go back to Jackson Hole. Reno, on the other hand, was a good one. Barrett Jackson was off limits because they're locked in with Speed Channel, otherwise we would have gone there too. If we get a second chance to do this, I'll definitely make sure we hit the big guys.
Becky
Jackson Hole and Sun Valley are small auctions that people attend primarily because they are in beautiful locations. I attended the Sun Valley Auction a couple years ago. Bought 5 cars..good place to buy..not sell..

[Bob Johnson]

Hi Bob,
I wish we could have chosen better venues for some of our auctions...but as I said earlier, we were given a production schedule and had to find auctions to fit it. No offense to Mitch, but we probably wouldn't go back to Jackson Hole. Reno, on the other hand, was a good one. Barrett Jackson was off limits because they're locked in with Speed Channel, otherwise we would have gone there too. If we get a second chance to do this, I'll definitely make sure we hit the big guys.
Becky
It isn't necessarily the big guys..Those 2 Mecum sales held in Illinois..one in May and I think Sept. are very strong on the kind of iron you're selling..ton of money in Monterey in August. Russo and R&M both do well there..Christy's, Bonham, Gooding etc all do well there too but I'm not sure your cars are a fit their audience. Silver in Fountain Hills in Jan does well too..

[CRUSTY69]

hey mr white? you hiring?....."im just talking into thin air, i know hes not on here.."

[hotrodgal]

That's what you think, Crusty...send me a resume

[CRUSTY69]

when my truck and my 69camaro are done that will be my resume..lol..keep up the good work, ill be watching the show, is this barry's daughter? hows the chevelle doin?..j/k..

[hotrodgal]

Nope, this is Becky. And the Chevelle is waiting to go to the stripper...

[CRUSTY69]

does barry have an apprentice program?..i dont care about money, i just wanna get my foot in the door at a local shop, i was thinking about going to barry's shop, before the show.....now that he has cameras all over i bet he gets tons of applications

[hotrodgal]

If you're serious, come on by. We are always looking for someone...we've got over 30 cars in here right now that desperately need someone to give them attention. Haven't heard yet if we're going to do this again, but if we do, we'll really need more help.

[Bob Johnson]

Watch the venues you choose to sell your cars. Mitch Silver is one of the hardest working guys in the auction game, but a few of his venues are weaker than his others as it is with most of the other auction companies. Certain venues do better with a different type of car that might be weak at another venue. Hot Rods, Muscle, and restomods, etc do much better at specific auctions. Check past results and pick your spots. That was too cheap for that car and that's why I was surprised you guys were so elated. Silver Reno, Barrett Jackson, several of Mecums sales, R&M at certain sales, Russo Steele at Monterey and even Scottsdale are a few that come to mind. That car at Barrett would have done $75K and wouldn't surprise me if it hit $100K if it was primetime and you worked it right. Don't slap his wrists..he's got spunk..I like Barry's taste in cars..and women..lol
when I said Silver Reno, I meant Hot August night..I'm not sure about the May or June one..I watched the Portland auction with the 71 GTO/70..that auction was super small..who is that guy and his wife that tried to buy the goat? He was in Sun Valley when I was there..what's the story on him?

[INJUNTOM]

one thing to consider about these cars built by big-name builders...they will always have that appeal.

when overhaulin' first came out, i used to think that they were ruining some of the rarer musclecars, and wouldn't want them to do that to one of my real GTOs, etc. but when it comes down to it, they are now Foose TV cars, and will always be worth as much or more than they would have been with a stock restoration regardless of the corners cut, etc.

[Bob Johnson]

one thing to consider about these cars built by big-name builders...they will always have that appeal.

when overhaulin' first came out, i used to think that they were ruining some of the rarer musclecars, and wouldn't want them to do that to one of my real GTOs, etc. but when it comes down to it, they are now Foose TV cars, and will always be worth as much or more than they would have been with a stock restoration regardless of the corners cut, etc.
just hope he doesn't keep this up, along with letting others use his name on cars built by them, motorcycles, etc. His name stood for quality and exclusivity..the products being built under his name don't even approximate the quality he built..Cars built in a week or two with different workers each time, will never have decent build quality. You didn't see them throw his 56 Ford F1 PU they built for Chip together in a week..but hey, that's what makes the show..entertain the masses..get good ratings..

[hotrodgal]

That was one of the big issues we had when we were first approached to do the show...could we build these cars in 4 weeks and keep the quality we're known for? I do have to say that every car but the Camaro came back to the shop and we finish-detailed them...there's always stuff that's not just right, or that Barry wasn't happy with.

[CRUSTY69]

any word yet how the show is doing?.....and if they do another season, i hope they focus alittle more on the builds...

[hotrodgal]

At first they told us they'd let us know after the first couple of weeks - and now that we're going on car 5, we still don't know anything. I'd just like to know so I can start scheduling for the rest of the year...
They say the ratings are good, so I don't know why they're waiting.

[CRUSTY69]

id say the ratings are really good,theres nothing really good on in that time slot, also, everybody likes hot rodding shows...what kind of cars does barry himself like? boydsters? or late 60's muscle?..... if theres a season 2....one good car that sounds cool would be a 59 impala "supermuscle car"..hows the kid from uti workin out?

[hotrodgal]

Judging by the emails I've been getting, there are lots of people watching the show...but it seems there's no way to let TLC know because there's nothing on their website for us. Barry's favorites are '32 hiboy roadsters, tri-five Chevy's, and of course, muscle cars. And the Tom ran into some personal problems and had to leave shortly after we hired him.

[CRUSTY69]

i think a saw your guys shop in a hot rod build off....i could have sworn i saw a couple first gen camaros....did you guys have a guy building them?..and think it will be a while till barry does another 69?....and one more pointless question...is barry, friendly with chip and boyd...i know those 2 hate eachother. and yea, well tlc is owned by discovery channel right?..all the discover channel shows have a message board....

[hotrodgal]

Yep, that was us in the build off show. Doing that one led to this one.
We always have a variety of cars here in the shop so it's possible there were a couple of Camaro's here at that time. I know he'd love to do one for himself (yeah right, in his spare time). I guess if he had to pick one, that'd be his "favorite". And as for Boyd and Chip, we know both of them quite well. Before we started doing the cars full time, we owned a silkscreen business, and actually printed shirts for both Boyd and Chip, then when Barry was out on his own, he did a lot of work for Boyd when he had the "car store" in Stanton. We haven't quite figured out why we're not getting any advertising for the show, but there has been discussions on the Overhaulin' message board about our show. It'd still be nice to have our own, though.

[INJUNTOM]

well regardless of all the complaining, i'm just happy to have all these shows on the air. i also watch all the bike shows...not really into the bikes even though all my friends are but i'm really into the fabrication part.

i'll take what i can get, and just hope this isn't just a fad that will fade out.

[mikey]

Haven't really had time to watch a whole show yet. I saw parts of the Camaro and it looked like a decent show to see so I have my VCR set for every tuesday. Hopefully I'll get caught up in the garage so I can watch the shows. BTW the checker you built was pretty cool.

[CRUSTY69]

oh yea, one more thing, nice save on the distributer rotation direction!!...lol

[hotrodgal]

well regardless of all the complaining, i'm just happy to have all these shows on the air. i also watch all the bike shows...not really into the bikes even though all my friends are but i'm really into the fabrication part.

i'll take what i can get, and just hope this isn't just a fad that will fade out.

Thank you!!! This is what so many people just don't get...it's a show about cars (which I presume we are all passionate about, or we wouldn't be here talking about them). Love it or hate it, it still gives us something to watch other than sitcoms or American Idol.

[Steve1968LS2]

Thank you!!! This is what so many people just don't get...it's a show about cars (which I presume we are all passionate about, or we wouldn't be here talking about them). Love it or hate it, it still gives us something to watch other than sitcoms or American Idol.

Watched it last night.. shame the faux GTO didn't sell for $50k.. seemed worth it to a buyer. Those little shows are buyers markets.. that restored real GTO only went for what.. 24k?

If you would have sold the car for $50k you would have still lost $$ though.. right? after all the 400 hrs labor has a cost involved.

Anyways, show wasn't bad at all, even with the whole "we need a nose" drama ;)

At least we see more of the build then on say.. overhauling where they are too busy with midgets and supermodels playing pranks.

[F70t/a]

I watch the show for Becky!!! She is a hot babe:smoke:

[dgumoe]

problem with all these shows is the producers are trying to cater to the general masses so all the important stuff is nixed in favor of all the drama and B.S. so far Barry's show is looking like it keeps that crap to a minimum, but i fear the future may hold less substance and more b.s. its too bad the builders dont have control over what airs and what doesnt.

[Joey_H]

I like the show! Of course I'd like to see more of the fab work and tech stuff, but the average schlubb off the street might not be as anxious to see that stuff as a true gearhead. For sure this show executes a beat-down on "Shark Week" and that series about crab fishing. :woot:

[Raptor Pilot]

I'm over it after two episodes I think. I think editing may have something to do with what we see and what is molding some of these opinions for sure. I have not been impressed myself however with that taken into consideration. I'm not saying I could do it better, but then again I am not a preofessional, but I am entitled to my opinion none the less. I would hope that the quality is much more than it seems on film. I think it's funny that these bidders buy cars for more than what they could have them built for- if they really are in-the-know car people then they would know a fair price from an inflated/auction one, no? Why not have one commissioned and save the extra cash?

I miss Rides. I also miss Courtney Hansen but that's another story.

[Bob Johnson]

I watch the show for Becky!!! She is a hot babe:smoke:
what's your address Dave..just wanting to check if you show up on the Family Watch Dog Map..lol

[Clean Cut Creations]

First of all I would like to say hello to everyone as I am new to this board and this topic is what brought me here.

I want to say to Barry White that I like the premise of your show but your math skills in adding up a restoration of any of the vehicles shown on the show seem to be lacking. I just re-watched the build up of the blue "GTO" clone and thought it was amazing that the labor to build this vehicle was not counted for. The show itself stated that this particular project took over 300 hrs to build. Using Barry's shop rate posted on his site that comes to $24,000 missing from the total. This is true for all of the cars shown on the show. (the blue gto clone MAY be an exception because he used free UTI kid labor......smart thinkin' Barry) At auction's end if you count all of the time AND money poured into the projects EVERY car built so far is a looser. WHERE DO THE "RICHES" COME IN BARRY????

I read all of the other posts on this topic and I that in the time frame given, I think that finding the cars, getting the parts, getting everything built and sold, Barry's shop did a great job. I see almost everyone on this topic bashing barry for POOR building skills. I think that is wrong. True these cars ARE thrown together but he is doing the best that he can with what he is offered in the time frame given.
What I AM saying is Barry please let the average couch potato (who may want to build a car some day) know how many REAL DOLLARS it REALLY takes to build a car like the ones on your show. I see this show clouding the minds of the people that come into my shop thinking that they CAN build a car for CHEAP and make money on it at an auction. IT CAN'T HAPPEN ......AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!

You can't purchase a restorable car, pay for all of the parts, pay a shop to restore it, and have it bring a nickle above what you have in it at auction. I tried to sell a custom truck on airride that we built and had over $65,000 in at a KRUISE auction in IL last year and the crowd bid it to $27,000. I was furious and we still have the truck at our shop. I hope that season two is better and more INFORMATIVE to the viewer than season one....................

[Steve1968LS2]

First of all I would like to say hello to everyone as I am new to this board and this topic is what brought me here.

I want to say to Barry White that I like the premise of your show but your math skills in adding up a restoration of any of the vehicles shown on the show seem to be lacking. I just re-watched the build up of the blue "GTO" clone and thought it was amazing that the labor to build this vehicle was not counted for. The show itself stated that this particular project took over 300 hrs to build. Using Barry's shop rate posted on his site that comes to $24,000 missing from the total. This is true for all of the cars shown on the show. (the blue gto clone MAY be an exception because he used free UTI kid labor......smart thinkin' Barry) At auction's end if you count all of the time AND money poured into the projects EVERY car built so far is a looser. WHERE DO THE "RICHES" COME IN BARRY????

I read all of the other posts on this topic and I that in the time frame given, I think that finding the cars, getting the parts, getting everything built and sold, Barry's shop did a great job. I see almost everyone on this topic bashing barry for POOR building skills. I think that is wrong. True these cars ARE thrown together but he is doing the best that he can with what he is offered in the time frame given.
What I AM saying is Barry please let the average couch potato (who may want to build a car some day) know how many REAL DOLLARS it REALLY takes to build a car like the ones on your show. I see this show clouding the minds of the people that come into my shop thinking that they CAN build a car for CHEAP and make money on it at an auction. IT CAN'T HAPPEN ......AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!

You can't purchase a restorable car, pay for all of the parts, pay a shop to restore it, and have it bring a nickle above what you have in it at auction. I tried to sell a custom truck on airride that we built and had over $65,000 in at a KRUISE auction in IL last year and the crowd bid it to $27,000. I was furious and we still have the truck at our shop. I hope that season two is better and more INFORMATIVE to the viewer than season one....................

To be fair the "shop rate" in NOT Barry's cost.. it's his cost plus his profit margin. His true cost is the wages of the employees plus the cost to have the shop open (rent, utilities). In the first show they didn't mention the labor hours at all ,so I like that they at least include it now. You are right that the true cost of the car is the price of materials PLUS Barry's actual cost of labor.

Keep in mind that in regards to the GTO that all those UTI guys worked for free, so his true labor cost was less on this build.

Also, the show is if BARRY can build a car and sell it for a profit.. not if joe-schmo can pay to have a car built and turn it for a profit.

I also agree that the auction they went to was definetly a buyers market.. nobody with big bucks there.

[bnickel]

the GTO show absolutely killed me. of course of a 70 front end isn't going to fit on 71 fenders, the 70 fenders are different. i don't know if that was real drama or TV drama but i was blown away at such a rookie mistake. nobody can possibly know every nuance of every car but come on a little research goes a long way.

[JV69z/28]

This sounds like we're talking about a Howard Stern broadcast. What did they say in his movie? - 1/2 his audience loves him the other 1/2 hates him but they all listen to hear what he has to say. As far as the producers go it's all about ratings and revenue. That certainly gives us the right to criticize the show but I don't think it's fair to judge Barry and his crew by what we're seeing on this show. Do you judge Chip Foose for the work that's done on Overhaulin' or by his Riddler winners? The same with Boyd - the way he comes off on TV isn't reflective of his finished product. Is there anyone here that wouldn't want TwinSting? Attack what's viewed on TV but don't direct it personally at Barry and his crew. I'm sure his customers are satisfied with their cars when the're done. If they weren't I doubt he would have 30+ cars in his shop.

[provintage]

I_work_for_Barry, First , Why do you have to "toot" you own horn to say you work for Barry. And why are you taking credit for cars you had nothing to do with. ( Camaro and the Nova ). These were cars that were there before you started. Give me a break!

[zbugger]

Bringing it back from the dead, huh? Give it up.

[Radlark]

Bringing it back from the dead, huh? Give it up.

Ditto! Let the sour grapes stay inthe can!

"Just when you think your out........They pull ya back in!"

[Reckless]

WOW! I agree with some of the things said about the show. It is easy to be critical when you don't realize what it takes to manage several projects n the same shop, all of which have deadlines, answer phones, find parts, find time to chat with customers, etcetera.

Have to remember that there is a lot of "injected drama" in this stuff and take it for what it is worth. While I am not a designer, I am a project manager and deal with multiple projects, most of which are later model vehicles. It is difficult to source everything you need when you can find it, much less when you start talking about rare items. When I watch the show I usually feel Chris' pain as I deal with it myself.

I prefer to watch the show "Rides" because it is more documentary style and just provides facts. I gave up on watching OCC, American Hot Rod, and most of the others because everything has that "coached" feel to it, and most of what makes the air makes them all look like jack asses.

[Bob Johnson]

We all keep addressing the labor not being a part of the cost. It's amazing to me how much work The Shop gets done in the amount of time they say is spent on the project. 400 hours isn't a lot of time to strip a beat up ol car down and make something relatively nice out of it. i haven't seen the finished cars but they look like good deal at what they are being bought at. No way anyone is going to build cars like this and make money at auction consistantly counting all the time and expenditure. But Barry, don't act so elated when your car hits a DECENT NUMBER. It's worth more. People bidding instinctly feel like they are bidding enough to make you very happy. Put on your poker face..act like you are expecting more. If I were bidding and saw you jumping with joy, I would feel like I had bid more than you expected. IMHO that's not a good sign..just my 2 cents worth..you can give me my 1 cent change for what it's worth..

[SN65]

Hi Bob,

When they say 400 hours, they are not quoting "man" hours. That number is most likely the number of hours the car is being worked on in the shop. They really don't care if one person or 15 are working on the car at the same time, it is recorded as one hour (not 15 manhours).

Just like any of our cars can be completed in 40 hours. That is if we had 100 people working all at the same time. :-)

OBTW, are you going to make any leg of the power tour? Our schedule has gone nuts here and it looks like we will not be able to make it. :-( Both Wayne and I were looking forward to the cruise.

OAN, we have a twin screw upgrade (along with a couple of ancillary items) heading toward the shop. Once we get the boost up to about 65 PSI we should be able to give you a run for your money. :-)

[Bob Johnson]

you'll feel a massive difference when you change blowers..My car just got down to Orlando. I'll be there tomorrow.(Fri).;.Gonna go at least to Perry..Alan wants it back where he can take it to Goodguys Indy..got to have it back at his shop Tues..he'll have 1 1/2 days to fluff.

[SN65]

So Bob, you have a professional "fluffer"....

How did you talk your wife into that one??? :-)

[Beige]

If it takes 1 and a half days she probably talked him into it.

Back to the topic of the show for a second...
Did they have 20 gallons of flat black paint they needed to get rid of or something? I don't mind the flat accents but almost every car had them.
I was just wondering if they had a ton of it around from something? (abandoned SR-71 resto, maybe?)
Did they get a sponsor who makes nothing but satin black paint?
Or is it just a current trend at the shop?