Wilwood Brakes

[InMotionJosh]

I am looking into ordering a set of front and rear brakes for my 70 chevelle project. I am looking at the superlite 6 piston front, and the 4 piston dynalite pro seriers in the rear. I need to know if either of these kits will affect the backspacing on the intro wheels that im about to order.

Does anyone suggest anything better in the same price range for my car? I am going to be running a 18/20 or 19/20 combo on my car.

[syborg tt]

Without knowing exactly what kit you have on order. I don't think this can be answered. I strongly suggest you wait till you have your brake kit installed on your car before ordering wheels. If not you may end up with some very expensive paper weights.

PS. Ex. My front hat is a 1/4" thick and the rear hat is almost a 1/2" thick

[jakespeeds]

What size rotors are you going to use?

Jake

[InMotionJosh]

I think they are 13 in the front and 12.2 in the back.

[sinned]

Nice choice of brakes...your wheels should be fine as long as you are not going to be ordering wheels that require backspacing to be perfect ei.18X0.5 or 20X11. Those require perfect numbers to fit. A pair of 18X8 or 20X8 leave an inch or so of room for error.

[jakespeeds]

Well that is not going to be a problem then. A 13" front rotor with the superlite should work fine inside a 18" wheel although you are getting close. Now the only question is the face of the wheel. If the design of whatever wheel will allow that big of a rotor. What you need to do is pick the wheel design you want and see if you can get a cross section fron the company making it. Wilwood has all the dimensional information on there website for everything they make. From there it is not to be a deal to find out if the caliper will hit the back of the wheel.

[InMotionJosh]

I planned to order 18 or 19 inch fronts that are 8 inchs wide, and 20x10s in the back. The front im not so worried about. The rear from what I can tell needs 5.5 backspaceing. Does this sound right? Will i be safe with that?

[InMotionJosh]

I am ordering intro wheels. Those guys know their stuff and im sure that if i sent them the dimmensions of the brakes im using they will be able to make the wheel accordingly. Right?

[USAZR1]

I planned to order 18 or 19 inch fronts that are 8 inchs wide, and 20x10s in the back. The front im not so worried about. The rear from what I can tell needs 5.5 backspaceing. Does this sound right? Will i be safe with that?

You should be fine with that backspacing,,if the rear track isn't widened by that brake package. My 13" and 12" Baers didn't widen the track but I'm not familiar with Wilwoods.
Just about any 18" front wheel should clear that 13" front brake package. Weren't you considering the 14" front rotors?

[4MuscleMachines]

I had 12" four piston wilwoods on the front of a 70 Mustang and then changed to the 13" rotor six piston calipers, the track width was significantly changed. I would say approx over half inch on each side. Sounds like a little, but it completely changed the look of the car, the wheels look like they stick out too much and they now rub.

[jakespeeds]

Did you change to a different rotor hat?

[LTorres]

I am looking into ordering a set of front and rear brakes for my 70 chevelle project. I am looking at the superlite 6 piston front, and the 4 piston dynalite pro seriers in the rear. I need to know if either of these kits will affect the backspacing on the intro wheels that im about to order.

Does anyone suggest anything better in the same price range for my car? I am going to be running a 18/20 or 19/20 combo on my car.

IMO most guys that we set up prefer our rear kit over the 12.19 1PCE Dynalite kit that Wilwood sells, for 3 reasons.

First..with our kit you get a 2PCE rear rotor 12.81" a nice match to the front 2PCE rotors.

Second, our kit includes a "Parker" E-brake caliper. With this setup we mount a e-brake caliper seperate from the hydraulic caliper. A nice way to beat using a 1PCE rotor and a internal drum park brake assembly, plus it get's rid of the need to purchase a Lokar cable kit. Our kit will work with the OE park brake cables.

Third, Since you are rolling 6 piston Superlite's in the front.....most prefer to have 4 piston Superlite's in the rear....(same bore dimensions as used in the Dynalite kit you are looking at (1.38" pistons) just a much stonger caliper, holds a thicker pad and contains a bridge bolt (less flex) vs. the cotter pin used in the Dynalites, furthermore a nice match to the front 6 piston Superlite.......no longer does a guy have to deal with a BIG caliper in the front and a SMALL caliper in the rear! FYI the Forged Billet Superlite dimensions are closer to the 6 piston Billet Superlite by a long shot.

Check out this rear kit:
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BTW many that have purchased from me on the PT boards, know that either a Wilwood kit or PBC kit.....hands down we have the best pricing. You also get a FREE 6 pack of 12 oz bottles of 570 fluid and FREE shipping in the U.S. from the PT boards.

[4MuscleMachines]

IMO most guys that we set up prefer our rear kit over the 12.19 1PCE Dynalite kit that Wilwood sells

First..with our kit you get a 2PCE rear rotor 12.81" a nice match to the front 2PCE rotors.
Lariamie, will your kit change the track width vs the 12.19 1pc?

[4MuscleMachines]

Did you change to a different rotor hat? yes, it was necessary. The rotors are different / thicker.

[LTorres]

Lariamie, will your kit change the track width vs the 12.19 1pc?

Since our kit has the rotors installed over the top of the OE type drum hub "NO" it does not change the track width via hub dimensions, it does however "YES" change the track width by the face thickness of our hats, since again they are on top of the hub after installation (FYI our hat thickness is .250", much less considering Wilwood hubs from kit to kit can change the track width from 0.00" up to .750" depending on the kit.

Tomorrow I will source the hub for the kit in questions here and find out how much the Wilwood kit changes the track width unless someone else reading already knows.......Again either way any of you go, Wilwood kits or PBC kits, I can pretty much guarantee that we will have the best pricing out there for PT members!!

[sinned]

OK Laramie, we know what Wilwood gets for the kit. What is your price?

[4MuscleMachines]

Since our kit has the rotors installed over the top of the OE type drum hub "NO" it does not change the track width via hub dimensions, it does however "YES" change the track width by the face thickness of our hats, since again they are on top of the hub after installation (FYI our hat thickness is .250", much less considering Wilwood hubs from kit to kit can change the track width from 0.00" up to .750" depending on the kit.

Tomorrow I will source the hub for the kit in questions here and find out how much the Wilwood kit changes the track width unless someone else reading already knows.......Again either way any of you go, Wilwood kits or PBC kits, I can pretty much guarantee that we will have the best pricing out there for PT members!! That would be great, I bet many people have the need to know. Please find out for the front kit (6piston vs 4piston dynalites) and your rear kit.

[LTorres]

OK Laramie, we know what Wilwood gets for the kit. What is your price?

Here is the price for our front and rear kits:

Front Brake System - Camaro with Drum Spindles, 67-69 - 13" x 1.25", 2-pc. - Plain Rotors (Drilled/Slotted or both same price), Wilwood 6 Piston - Superlite Calipers, Brackets, Pads, SS Flex Hoses, Hardware, Instructions\n\nImportant :This kit utilizes the stock 7/16"studs 1,699.00 retail (GP SUPERSTORE PRICE $1444.15)

Tip: Frank and Lisa Serafine from Prodigy Customs can get you this same kit from me at 15% off through their GP SUPERSTORE!!

BTW if you are running a Ford 9" under your Camaro as some do...I have this kit for your rear-end as well.

Rear Brake Sytem - Camaro (12 bolt/10 bolt small housing)- 12.81"x1.10" 2 pce plain (Drilled/Slotted or both same price), Wilwood 4 piston Forged Billet Superlite, Brackets, Pads, SS Flex lines, Hardware, "Mr. Parker" E-brake calipers, instructions.
1,660.00 retail (GP SUPERSTORE PRICE $1411.00)

Tip: Frank and Lisa Serafine from Prodigy Customs can get you this same kit from me at 15% off through their GP SUPERSTORE!!

Go here and register for killer discounts on our stuff:

http://www.gpsuperstore.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Total for both kits through Frank and Lisa would be $2,855.15!

[6'9"Witha69]

Tomorrow I will source the hub for the kit in questions here and find out how much the Wilwood kit changes the track width unless someone else reading already knows.
The kit I bought 5 years ago from Wilwood is a 12"x0.81" 2 Pc with DynaliteII 4 Piston Caliper and spot Park brake. It was like $599.00. No track width change noticed but I never chcked exactly. My wheels looked to sit just as far from the outer lip as they did before. The kit works awesome but the &^$^$%^ Parking brake does not mount on the Driver side (shock interference)! It also doesn't work with the OEM cables! Laramie, if your kits fix this I may be thinking about new rear brakes when I put a TKO 600 in (I will NEED a park brake by then).

[LTorres]

The kit I bought 5 years ago from Wilwood is a 12"x0.81" 2 Pc with DynaliteII 4 Piston Caliper and spot Park brake. It was like $599.00. No track width change noticed but I never chcked exactly. My wheels looked to sit just as far from the outer lip as they did before. The kit works awesome but the &^$^$%^ Parking brake does not mount on the Driver side (shock interference)! It also doesn't work with the OEM cables! Laramie, if your kits fix this I may be thinking about new rear brakes when I put a TKO 600 in (I will NEED a park brake by then).

Not to shoot myself in the foot here on a brake sale but we sell Wilwood kits as well. The problem you are having has actually been referenced on the PT boards several times. I have heard several fixes for this, but the one that seemed most convenient and least time consuming was to simply locate the Dynalite caliper fore or aft (which ever is opposite of what is causing your interference) since the bracket is Asymetrical. This means since the DL's can be mounted either way (bleeders both top and bottom) your caliper is simply riding in a different location. Others have commented that this was easy to do, I have never personally done it myself.

BTW the Lokar cable kit you need is around $85 from Jegs should you stick with your current set up and I have pictures from another member (ertoys) that I set up with front and rear Wilwood kits on EXACTLY how to install your Lokar cable kit on a first gen Camaro.

[LTorres]

BTW when you flip this bracket you have to press out the threaded inserts in Wilwoods brackets and press them back in from the other direction!

[eville]

I emailed Wilwood about this same shock interference issue. Their response was for me to buy a RH mounting bracket to install on the LH side where there is interference. If I understand you correctly, all I need to do is change the threaded inserts? That would save me about $70.

[LTorres]

I emailed Wilwood about this same shock interference issue. Their response was for me to buy a RH mounting bracket to install on the LH side where there is interference. If I understand you correctly, all I need to do is change the threaded inserts? That would save me about $70.

Yes. Exactly....so I hear. I have never actually done this myself, maybe you could post and let us know how it goes. I would assume since nobody ever posted on the forum that this did not work (several have referenced this) that the installation went fine. Just don't forget to re-press the thread inserts! Good luck.

[eville]

Yes. Exactly....so I hear. I have never actually done this myself, maybe you could post and let us know how it goes. I would assume since nobody ever posted on the forum that this did not work (several have referenced this) that the installation went fine. Just don't forget to re-press the thread inserts! Good luck.

I emailed and asked Wilwood if I could repress and if not which bracket to buy, here is there response:

Steve,
> The answer to the first question asked: It is possible to repress the
clinch
> nuts. Just make sure that you apply a little bit of red loctite (271
> Loctite) when repressing in the clinch nuts.
> Yes, 250-2303 is the correct braket RH bracket that you can also use.

Seems like it should work. It will be a few weeks before I get to this, I'll let you know.

[LTorres]

I think it will work. I would appreciate (as would others I am sure) if you post your results when you have completed the installation. In future situations consider us for your braking needs, we have much to offer in the way of BBK's including, like mentioned before, 2 pce rear kits with our "Mr. Parker" e-brake calipers.

[eville]

Well a few months later I finally got around to fixing this today. It worked. The only problem I have now it setting up the park brake cable.

One advantage to buying the RH caliper from Wilwood is that the threaded inserts are recessed. By flipping them around they are no longer recessed and the caliper bracket to rotor clearance is reduced. The rotor clears by about .125" now. I'll try and get pics if anyone needs them.