Ron Sutton

[Charley7]

Did Ron close up shop. His on line catalogue is gone.

Charley

[dhutton]

Yes.

[p0int]

So what happen at lateral-g really ruined him then?

[Oregon]

Not entirely..


He's moving to a smaller place and scaling down to basically be a one man operation. He's going to stop offering turn key builds and engines, but will continue to sell chassis stuff, brakes, etc...

[p0int]

How do you know?
Seems like he´s gone off the grid, since he doesn't response on here anymore, and deleted his account on other forums.

[68EFIvert]

How do you know?
Seems like he´s gone off the grid, since he doesn't response on here anymore, and deleted his account on other forums.

I received an email from him on Thanksgiving stating the same thing. It mentioned that it would take a little time to get everything going but he was hoping to have everything nailed down soon.

[Build-It-Break-It]

From what I heard he filled for bankruptcy because of customer service issues of people not getting parts, poor build quality, etc etc. He sent an email to some of his clients that he was liquidating his inventory and closing his business. I think this all stemmed from a bad build he did for a member on lateral g. It's sad that he left the forums. It's soured me a little and I'm sure others too.

Hopefully he makes a come back but only he knows his plans.

[killer69]

I received an email from him on Thanksgiving stating the same thing. It mentioned that it would take a little time to get everything going but he was hoping to have everything nailed down soon.

i got the same email

[Charley7]

Thanks guys. Bummer that he just vanished

[raustinss]

Robbing Peter to pay Paul, ... what happened on lateral-g.net was the tip of the iceberg. It's terrible because hes a super intelligent man but , 90 percent of his "accomplishments" were lies . Along with his ability to build cars

[shelteredchevelle]

As an outside observer, it appeared obvious that he dug himself a big hole and dove into it head first. There were a couple stalwart fans, but the overwhelming facts kept coming out of the woodwork to the point that he finally had to do what he did. I hold no ill will toward him, I learned a bit from his writings, but admittedly was shy about giving him any of my business. I hope he comes back and chooses a better path than the one he was on before.

[raustinss]

As an outside observer, it appeared obvious that he dug himself a big hole and dove into it head first. There were a couple stalwart fans, but the overwhelming facts kept coming out of the woodwork to the point that he finally had to do what he did. I hold no ill will toward him, I learned a bit from his writings, but admittedly was shy about giving him any of my business. I hope he comes back and chooses a better path than the one he was on before.

Well said

[sccacuda]

https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/129928-Ron-Sutton-Race-Technology-RSRT

[RobNoLimit]

Who is to blame? I have no dog in the fight. Ron did pass on some good info, and that helped a lot of people. I went to the first series seminar and was promised a book, that I never got. That's what I KNOW, first hand. BUT, after 35 years in the business, there is something that aggravates me. That is the quiet cowering of those who have been wronged. To be fair, we at No Limit Engineering are NOT always 100% correct. At the moment, we have a powder coated chassis for a Ford Uni-Body that has a body mount issue, and we are on the hook for the fix. It happens. We do our best to communicate with the customer/installer and find the best way to fix the problem. If our customer wants to rant and blame us it is his right, Although I would at least like them to also post the information that we solved the problem. Fair is fair.

Holding back information doens't help anyone. I have heard hundreds of people discuss projects like this, " yeah, he did this and this wrong, and screwed me on this, and I lost a lot of time and money, and he lied and never made it right, but he's a nice guy." No, he's not a "nice guy". He stole from you. He stole your time, money and passion. And, you protected him, so he could do it again. All of the people that come out of the wood-works now have to take some of the blame. I hate Yelp, and the fact that there is no reply process, but WE in the Hot Rod industry need a 'Yelp' to keep everyone honest. I tried for years in the SEMA industry council to lobby/start a Shop Registry forum that would rate shops and educate/protect the customers but it fell on deaf ears. This is your forum. Be fair, own your mistakes if they are yours, but let out the difficulties so that others don't have to suffer the same fate.

I have no ill will towards RSRT, but what happened to Greg Weld and others is wrong, and from my own standpoint, it hurts our industry. This is supposed to be fun, and this kind of thing ruins it. So, all I'm really trying to say is, don't hide the truth just because it's bad, or you got stung. Be fair, and be honest. BTW, I hope that all of your projects turn out the way you want them to. (putting soap box away)

[sccacuda]

Who is to blame? All of the people that come out of the wood-works now have to take some of the blame.

I agree and I do accept my part of the blame. While my motive was purely selfish to make sure I would get everything I paid for, I knew deep down that with how I and others were being treated, this wouldn't end end well for anyone. In the end, I won't get everything, and should have publicly said something much earlier. I sincerely apologize if my build thread caused others to have a similar experience with Ron.

[Shawn0331]

Craig, I bet that felt good to get off your chest!

[raustinss]

File Ron in the same category as Frank from prodigy

[XLexusTech]

File Ron in the same category as Frank from prodigy
Frank from Prodigy now you have done it ��

[raustinss]

Lol I was just referring to both of them not being trust worthy and having no bridges after burning them all . Yes I know frank was on another planet with what he did

[Turbo6inKY]

Wow, what a goat rodeo.

But this is a thing that happens. Somebody's good at something, they're charismatic, people like them. Then they try to make a business out of it. Except they're not prepared. When RSRT launched the new catalog last winter, I thought to myself, "Wow, that's a huge expansion from seminars, shock tuning, and chassis consultation. I hope it goes well."

I guess it hasn't gone well.

They get in over their head and start robbing Peter to pay Paul and it eventually overwhelms them and the whole thing collapses on top of them. Half a dozen local speed shops in my area over the last ten years have suffered the same fate, though at a smaller scale. Even Hennesey famously imploded a few years ago, though they seem to have righted the ship as of late.

It sucks. But what I do find encouraging is the response. I read the thread over on Lateral-G (I wasn't on Lateral-G until today) after spotting this, read these. No sign of the feared internet pile-on. No name calling. Nobody's losing their temper and saying crazy stuff. It's stated experiences and reasonable, sympathetic responses.

Maybe that's because this community is mature. Maybe it's because it's well moderated. But I'm glad to have been able to read about this here instead of Facebook.

[sccacuda]

I think there are quite a few that don't use the LatG forum. Was very surprised no one ever posted links or discussed this here.

When it all became public: https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56209&page=54

And the only time Ron ever responded to any of this: http://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56814

You'll see a few people posting positive experiences. A couple of the same people I said that had similar issues to mine, and were afraid to say anything bad about Ron, are the same ones posting these "positive" experiences. I guess they think it will make Ron fulfill his obligation to help with setup.

I emailed Ron when this was all happening (the ONLY time he has ever responded so quickly to text or emails!) and ask if he was still going to help with setup on the cars being built with his stuff, regardless of how this turned out. His response was, "I'll be there for you if I can stay in business".
This kinda rubbed me the wrong way, because regardless if he stays in business, he made a commitment to us. He was available on the forums before he had a business, why wouldn't he be after?
Then it dawned on me. He was never here helping us out for free in the beginning, it was part of a larger plan. He saw a market potential, slowly ingratiated himself into the community with "free" advise, and then began to capitalize on that by offering pay services. Pay services were then combined with pay seminars and parts sales, and before you knew it, Ron was making really good money off/from our community.

He started on these forums because he saw the potential for money, not because he was "just giving back" like he used to say in the beginning. Now that the money potential is gone, so is the "just giving back" help.

[Turbo6inKY]

I think there are quite a few that don't use the LatG forum. Was very surprised no one ever posted links or discussed this here.

Surely. I didn't even know the place existed until Valerie mentioned it at the PT.com SEMA dinner a few weeks ago. Still glad I found it. Looks like a fun board.



You'll see a few people posting positive experiences. A couple of the same people I said that had similar issues to mine, and were afraid to say anything bad about Ron, are the same ones posting these "positive" experiences. I guess they think it will make Ron fulfill his obligation to help with setup.


Only they can tell. Despite lurking on this forum for over a decade, I'm pretty new to this community, at least as a participating member. I can say the ubiquity of Mr. Sutton was surprising. I never dealt with him directly, but I did get a lot from Lance's work with him on his Monte. Some of what they did was reinventing a lot of the work Marcus Savitske did fifteen years ago (which itself re-discovered some stuff the circle track folks had figured out in the late '70s). Some was good 'ol trial and error that nobody had bothered to do (or never bothered to share). The redundancy aside, they put all of that together in a package of knowledge that helped me and my car. That contribution was real.

I never got the sense from anybody (until now) that Mr. Sutton was leading anybody on, but I did wonder about the workload. All we ever saw was Ron. He was the guy on the internet talking. He was the guy on the podcasts. He was the guy travelling all over the place doing the seminars. He was the guy developing the parts. Testing the parts. Fabbing the parts. Shipping the parts. For isntance, there was a Torque Arm setup for the G-Body in his catalog. I haven't seen a single person actually running the kit. So was it really a kit, or a collection of weld-on parts from the Howe or Speedway catalog that he expected to develop on the first person that ordered it?

I also was puzzled as to how he got so big in the PT community. I read his threads here on suspension set up. But his solutions weren't showing up on cars that were winning in the places I was paying attention. That's mostly SCCA Solo for the last twenty years, but I've run Optima the last three. Narrow focus, I admit, but the SCCA Solo people are fad-tastic and will try anything. Then again, they also know conclusively after the very next Champ tour if the fad worked or not, so stuff that doesn't work tends not to survive long.

How was it possible? I think we've learned it wasn't possible. But was it part of a long con, or a guy that just bit off more than he could chew?

Again, I wasn't a customer, I never interacted with him directly, and I'm generally not a mean person. So I want my opinion to tend towards the latter. But the stuff I'm reading from sources like yourself indicates that some of the customers that are currently holding the bag are tending towards the former. The fact he stated they were going to fix Mr. Weld's car after Mr. Weld had clearly fired him is clearly troubling. Either he naively thought he'd be able to get the business back after that dumpster fire of a weekend they had, or he was trying to mislead. Only he knows which at this point.

Then again, maybe my confusion is a result of a fantastic brand marketer that managed to imbue such a large amount of perceived goodwill that people are reluctant to turn on him, even faced with what we're seeing?

I dunno. I'm just glad the discussion around the topic hasn't become toxic and hyperbolic. I've been on the interwebz since the late 1980s, starting in BBS's and Usenet. I've seen lots of scammers and frauds exposed and watched the feeding frenzy that always ensues. I've never seen as measured a response to what is at the least a clear case of bad business, but also could be a case of systemic fraud. Ever.

I like you people.

[sccacuda]

Craig, I bet that felt good to get off your chest!

Something I should have done a long time ago...and yes, like a weight lifted.

I have a RSRT sticker on the bottom of my 4 post lift that I used to kick the sh#t out of every time I ran into an issue. That sticker is finally in the trash. Closing that chapter and moving forward with my build.

[Flash68]

I have a RSRT sticker on the bottom of my 4 post lift that I used to kick the sh#t out of every time I ran into an issue. That sticker is finally in the trash.

I have some entertaining photos and videos of what some people have done with Ron Sutton "swag" since his implosion... :)

[parsonsj]

I like you peopleThat's good to hear! We've had our share of pile-ons in the past, and there are quite a few "former" members who lost their good standing here with childish rants and name-calling. But the community has matured, and we work at keeping the conversations adult-like and respectful.

[jaybee]

I've never built cars for a living, but I understand business. Particularly the trucking business. It's something most people have enough familiarity with to get, so I'll put my comments in that framework.

There are a lot of people out there who are really good truck drivers. There's a lot more to it than holding a steering wheel, they're really technicians. Hours of service regulations, mechanical and cargo inspections, proper handling of bills of lading, watching the temperature if temp-controlled, all while planning at least a day or more down the road to make sure they manage their available hours to make all their pickups and deliveries on time. It's not a small thing.

At some point a lot of them decide to own a truck and become owner/operators. That's a whole different set of skills...business skills. An awful lot of them never get that part right. They go broke, lose their trucks, and go back to driving for someone else. They're still very good truck drivers, but they aren't business owners.

A chunk of the folks who make it there decide to get more trucks and hire people to drive them. Often they do OK if they have just an additional 1 or 2 and can recruit people they know well and trust to work for them.

Again, that's all the farther it usually goes. Even at that level there are very few who have what it takes to continue expanding and build an ongoing, profitable operation of any size. It's no fun to watch anyone flail at any of those levels. They do things they told themselves they'd never do. They get angry and cranky and make enemies even if they're fundamentally decent people. They get real desperate to keep the wheels on the wagon. At some point they realize they just can't make it happen, or they're stubborn enough to make someone take it away from them.

Then they go back to doing what they're good at.

[sccacuda]

Hi John,

You are spot on!

Problem is, Ron's previous business failed and went to bankruptcy as well, or as Ron says, "I closed operations for Ron Sutton's Winner's Circle driver development program & sold my 9 race teams, rigs, etc at the end of 2012".

Same type of situation, over selling and under delivering...maybe this IS what he is good at...

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4415562/in-re-ronald-david-sutton-and-kimberly-ann-sutton/

[raustinss]

Oh yeah I forgot about that case , read it a few years back . Quite an eye opener. All I can say is glad I never dealt with him .

[TheJDMan]

I'm still waiting for the book that we were supposed to get with the first of his suspension seminars three years ago.

[Turbo6inKY]

I'm still waiting for the book that we were supposed to get with the first of his suspension seminars three years ago.

You can file with the bankruptcy court as a creditor. :-p

[Greg Weld]

Did Ron close up shop. His on line catalogue is gone.

Charley


Sutton is a master of “marketing” and twisting words.... just like the lawsuit states.... it’s linked in one of the posts here in this thread. Basically NASCAR said “cease and desist” using their name.... his response was along the lines of ==== but can’t I just say this or this (misleading still). All he wanted to do was change a few words so he could comply and still mislead.

My name has been brought up in the thread here.... so felt I should respond. I was Suttons biggest fan boi - and biggest customer - lender - and dumbass sucker.

Here’s what I will state. He was a low end dirt track race car team owner. He was NOT racing at the top of these groups.... basically he was running a pay for services business - promising connections and driver coaching if you could pay. In other words - this wasn’t him running a racing team with big time sponsors and if you were good enough you could get a seat in his cars. It was if you had pockets enough - you could pay to drive his cars. I’m only stating this here because you have to watch The Wizard of Oz - and be able to pull the curtain back.

What I’ve LIVED THRU is that he knows budget dirt track racing.... that doesn’t translate in to being a car builder - motor builder - guru that knows everything about every aspect of every car. Basically he knows about set up.... and what he doesn’t know he claims is “secret sauce” or some claim of stuff being “optimized”. He’s also a big time name dropper.... and uses that to his advantage - since the names are of people we’ll never meet or rub elbows with... so nobody will ever verify all these supposed connections.

I spent YEARS — not months — with him in my corner.... and spent a lot of time with him — and spent a lot of money with him. I can NOT recommend anyone doing business with him for anything.

[andrewb70]

Greg,

Please feel free to link any of the threads from Lat-g that you feel are relevant.

Andrew

[Greg Weld]

Thanks Andrew....

I have no time or “cycles” to spend on this bozo anymore.... I think most people on both Lat-G and Pro-Touring have read about, or are aware of, all the (or much of) the dumb stuff he’s done... builds he’s ruined... people he’s stolen from (in time AND $$$$)....

The one thing I would love everyone to learn from these (Prodigy and Secret Sauce) is to SPEAK UP WHEN YOU’RE NOT BEING TREATED WELL or getting the parts and quality you paid for.... Because one of two things will happen — the vendor will either man up and do right — or you’ll expose the bozos

[sheck44]

As above... if you own your own business the #1 RULE is NEVER over promise and under deliver, underpromise and overdeliver, if you don't you absolutely without question will fail

It's worked for me for 9 years now

Steve

[Greg Weld]

As above... if you own your own business the #1 RULE is NEVER over promise and under deliver, underpromise and overdeliver, if you don't you absolutely without question will fail

It's worked for me for 9 years now

Steve



Simply being honest also works.....

[sheck44]

LOL ... Greg that kind of goes without saying !!

Steve

[jaybee]

Well...that bankruptcy case puts things in a totally different light. Promising something entirely different, in an entirely different venue, with the same results.

[sccacuda]

I was able to get a copy of the email Ron sent out, and thought I would share it...with the appropriate translation.



I'm excited to announce I'm going to continue my business on a smaller scale, offering tech services & a full line of chassis, suspension & brakes.

Because the "larger" scale business is in bankruptcy

It will be just me. So I will be working with a smaller group of clients I chose to work with. Those of you that have worked with me for a few years, know I can be slow to respond as I get buried with projects. I'm going to take on less projects & work on improving my response time, but it still can take a week or so sometimes. Please be patient with me. If you need quicker responses, I'm probably not a good fit.

People just beating down the door to work with you, I bet. So if your lucky enough to be "chosen" by Ron, you'll be rewarded with one week response times when your issue comes up with his stuff. Wow, sounds great, sign me up

I'm not "open for business" yet. I still have to move & set up my inventory, as well as re-setup credit card processing. It will probably be the 2nd week of December before I'm "up & running".

Take this as he hasn't finished with the bankruptcy on the previous business. He got paid for parts he was drop shipping, but is not paying the vendors for the products he sold, instead filing bankruptcy. Needs to set up credit card processing in the new business name and start this all over again...

7 Key things coming:
1. I will be running "Holiday specials" in December & January. I'll email you once I'm "open for business" with what they are.

Will be from vendors he actually paid

2. No Workshop tour, trade shows or track displays. I hated being away from my family 12 times a year, so I'm eliminating those.

His sponsors paid him to maintain his sticky forums and to do the workshop. No more sponsors, means no more workshop, trade shows, track displays. Yeah, this was his decision...

3. I am launching my own blog & forum website where you can learn & ask tech questions online. I'll email you when it is "live."

He was removed as a forum sponsor by LateralG and Pro-Touring. Because he can no longer sell on these sites or get paid to maintain his forum stickies, he will just make his own. What a guy, just giving back...

4. Mid-January, I will update my online catalog to show we no longer sell engines or turn key cars. But we will continue to sell rolling chassis, build-your-own Track-Warriors, Clips, etc. Otherwise, my entire product line will be available.

This means because he didn't pay SDPC Raceshop for previous engines, had engines built for customers without the parts that were spec'd and paid for, no one will build or sell him engines. As to the no longer selling turn key cars, well, kinda built only one and it was a disaster.

5. I am adding a new line of suspension packages I call AutoX-Star, as well as a lower cost weld-on Track-Warrior front clip package.

This means his Howe copy stuff will only be twice as expensive than from other vendors, instead of three times more.

6. Also in the updated catalog will be a lot of new trick parts for building up your muscle car with factory frames & clips.

Brought to you by the same fab shop that built Greg Welds Dirt Missile...

7. I will be adding a ton of "Tech-Helpers" & better instructions to help with your build.

But do "tech-helpers" and instructions help when you screwed up the design originally. No amount of instructions or tech helpers would have helped with the mistakes you made on my parts


I hope you & your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Best wishes !!!

Ron Sutton

[Peter Mc Mahon]

Spot on Craig! You “optimized” it !

[raustinss]

Lmao there is "special sauce " all over that

[chevelletiger]

I would like to say I had a good experience with ron,I never bought anything from him.
Actually he sent me a free Maier panhard,rod mount that he had from some reason,and he"sponsored me for his work shop in Vegas for his workshop,I sat next to Rodney .
I didn't spend a cent on his workshop.
I did feel he really didn't go super into detail about setup.
I knew most of it from the herb Adams book I already had.
I will say I knew most of the stuff he was selling was from the allstar catalog.
Didn't most of you fellas know too??
He did know how to sell himself.
And does have some good knowledge,but I think it was a case of he bite off more then he could chew.
A lot of us put him on this pedestal,look at how speedtech was showing the frame he designed,but from what I hear was designed by someone else.
Don't know why they did That?
Oh well,I hope him the best and everyone here.
It sad things like this happen.
Phik

[sccacuda]

...and he"sponsored me for his work shop in Vegas for his workshop,I sat next to Rodney .
I didn't spend a cent on his workshop.

Very few people actually ever paid to attend the workshop. He always gave away free seats, and toward the end, two sets at a time, "bring a friend for free, too". I was offered free tickets for every workshop. He was just trying fill seats to advertise "sold out".
These workshops were paid for by the people who's parts were on display, "Sold Out" meant they would continue to pay...

He ask me several times, usually before a new workshop was scheduled, to post a glowing review of my workshop experience. I never did. I think this is why he gave free tickets, to fill seats and obligate people to post positive reviews of his workshop and buy his parts.


I knew most of it from the herb Adams book I already had.

I went to one workshop, I actually got more from his forum post, which is pretty much a copy/paste of Herb Adams "Chassis Engineering" book.

[killer69]

A lot of us put him on this pedestal,look at how speedtech was showing the frame he designed,but from what I hear was designed by someone else.
Don't know why they did That?

Phik

I am not sure what you are getting at here can you explain what you think you herd?

the frame that we sell was 100% designed by Speedtech, Ron only did the suspension pick up locations. Ron had nothing to do with the frame design.

[65 drop top]

I have no dog in the fight, and so I have no opinion either way. But I will say that I have made 2 purchases from Ron over the past couple years. He helped with the tech for my application and then sold me the parts at a good price with free shipping. Again, not trying to persuade anybody, but rather just share my experience, which was positive.

[BMR Sales]

I am not sure what you are getting at here can you explain what you think you herd?

the frame that we sell was 100% designed by Speedtech, Ron only did the suspension pick up locations. Ron had nothing to do with the frame design.

Blake, I think a lot of people were under the impression that Ron was doing some design on that - Ron was probably the source of that!

[chevelletiger]

I am not sure what you are getting at here can you explain what you think you herd?

the frame that we sell was 100% designed by Speedtech, Ron only did the suspension pick up locations. Ron had nothing to do with the frame design.

That's what ron told me blake.

[myth]

That's what ron told me blake.

I was almost sure that there was a video on Rons facebook page that said that designed the clip. Its very possible that I misunderstood the video.

[myth]

Very few people actually ever paid to attend the workshop. He always gave away free seats, and toward the end, two sets at a time, "bring a friend for free, too". I was offered free tickets for every workshop. He was just trying fill seats to advertise "sold out".
These workshops were paid for by the people who's parts were on display, "Sold Out" meant they would continue to pay...

He ask me several times, usually before a new workshop was scheduled, to post a glowing review of my workshop experience. I never did. I think this is why he gave free tickets, to fill seats and obligate people to post positive reviews of his workshop and buy his parts.



I went to one workshop, I actually got more from his forum post, which is pretty much a copy/paste of Herb Adams "Chassis Engineering" book.

Thank you for telling everyone what has been going on. I had called Ron 2 or 3 months ago to see what his seminar schedule looked like for this year. Of course I got no response. Now I know why.

[Greg Weld]

Thank you for telling everyone what has been going on. I had called Ron 2 or 3 months ago to see what his seminar schedule looked like for this year. Of course I got no response. Now I know why.


There are still going to be suspension/set up seminars —- check with RIDETECH to see if there’s a published schedule yet. SUTTON will not be doing them.... so they should be actually worthwhile.... with a whole lot less “me, myself, and I”.... and better more directly relatable / useable information.


FYI — The $200,000 “Track Warrior” he built for me.... is at SPEEDTECH being completely rebuilt from the ground up - all the wiring - the motor (toast) — the list for what was done correctly/right — is EMPTY.... the list of what was done completely wrong is a book. In other words.... nothing was right and everything was wrong. SpeedTech is doing an absolutely stellar job doing it CORRECTLY. There’s a post on Lateral-G under Projects if you’re interested....

[BBPanel]

What about the various locker springs he sold - were they his or from someone else?

[MCB Matt]

I think most of us saw this from the start... The seminars etc... Smoke n mirrors! I truly feel bad for those that were ripped off. When this happened with Prodigy, we stepped in and offered VERY good prices to help guys get back on track with their builds.

Proud to say we have stayed 99.99% clean for 18 years now, it's not that hard, you just need the right people in place that know what they are doing and actually care. We also have morals and like to sleep well at night! We treat our customers with the same respect that we would expect on the other end of the phone or email. We don't make up lead times, we don't rob Peter to pay Paul, etc. We run a debt free business and that is the only way we will do it!

Matt + Crew

[Turbo6inKY]

What about the various locker springs he sold - were they his or from someone else?

It's a spring. He didn't wind springs. You can buy springs from dozens of places. All you need to know is the diameter, rate, and free height you need.

[raustinss]

I think most of us saw this from the start... The seminars etc... Smoke n mirrors! I truly feel bad for those that were ripped off. When this happened with Prodigy, we stepped in and offered VERY good prices to help guys get back on track with their builds.

Proud to say we have stayed 99.99% clean for 18 years now, it's not that hard, you just need the right people in place that know what they are doing and actually care. We also have morals and like to sleep well at night! We treat our customers with the same respect that we would expect on the other end of the phone or email. We don't make up lead times, we don't rob Peter to pay Paul, etc. We run a debt free business and that is the only way we will do it!

Matt + Crew

And yet shockingly when you dont rob Peter to pay Paul, you have a successful business lmao

[qnitro]

I think most of us saw this from the start... The seminars etc... Smoke n mirrors! I truly feel bad for those that were ripped off. When this happened with Prodigy, we stepped in and offered VERY good prices to help guys get back on track with their builds.

Proud to say we have stayed 99.99% clean for 18 years now, it's not that hard, you just need the right people in place that know what they are doing and actually care. We also have morals and like to sleep well at night! We treat our customers with the same respect that we would expect on the other end of the phone or email. We don't make up lead times, we don't rob Peter to pay Paul, etc. We run a debt free business and that is the only way we will do it!

Matt + Crew

Thats why I always come to you guys first, well you guys and Blake at S-T, hes like a crack dealer..those damn suspensions are just so nice

[68Cuda440]

I take a break from the board for a while, come back and find out Greg sold his house in Idaho and now this...

[MCB Matt]

And yet shockingly when you dont rob Peter to pay Paul, you have a successful business lmao

Yeah, makes a difference! Cashflow is king to a successful business though.

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Thats why I always come to you guys first, well you guys and Blake at S-T, hes like a crack dealer..those damn suspensions are just so nice

For sure Kevin! We have been a Speedtech dealer for years as well, always been a top shelf product!

[Greg Weld]

I take a break from the board for a while, come back and find out Greg sold his house in Idaho and now this...

Selling my Sun Valley house was all due to my terminal cancer..... no longer skiing and living in a ski town that is hard to get to and from - and not feeling like shoveling snow when I don’t feel well...... I’d rather drive a hot rod and enjoy the day — thus the move to Scottsdale. Close to The Mayo Clinic - and it’s hot rod heaven.....

The Race car the idiot built for me is almost finished - thanks to SpeedTech Performance and crew! It should be on display at the upcoming USCA event at Las Vegas.

[MonzaRacer]

Selling my Sun Valley house was all due to my terminal cancer..... no longer skiing and living in a ski town that is hard to get to and from - and not feeling like shoveling snow when I don’t feel well...... I’d rather drive a hot rod and enjoy the day — thus the move to Scottsdale. Close to The Mayo Clinic - and it’s hot rod heaven.....

The Race car the idiot built for me is almost finished - thanks to SpeedTech Performance and crew! It should be on display at the upcoming USCA event at Las Vegas.

Thats awesome Greg, great to hear how quick SpeedTech is working it out.
I will admit I am amateur at suspension and YET I thought I was seeing basic stuff from him. Had thought about pulling trigger to ask him for some extra help on Hbody frontend BUT something stopped me.
From 20 ft away the DM looked awesome but up close, damn even I couldnt slop something together so bad.
Im ok in suspension tuning for drag racing, and far to midlin on left/right stuff but actually though RS was guy to ask.
Thanks for blow lid off as you did, stay well and good luck with DM.
By the way Ive been an alignment tech for 30+yrs AND helped many people and never passed my self off like Ron did.
I still amaze my employer on how I can SEE bent car parts and thats before I hook up my alignment machine.
Again, good luck, stay well and hope to see your car sometime.
God Bless,
Lee