Rides - 69 Camaro Foose

[68 SuperRam]

Just finished watching Rides - had a show all about the Foose 69 Camaro - did anyone else see it?

[Nine Ball]

I watched it. I wish they had shown more shots of the finished car, especially the interior and the body modifications (bumpers, grille, etc...) though.

I noticed that my red '69 made a couple of appearances during the intro about '69 Camaros. That was cool :)

Did anyone see the car at Goodguys? I'd like to see some still photos of it.

Tony

[Steve Chryssos]

Yeah, I saw it. I like it. Colors, stance, modified grille & valence, rocker extensions, interior--it was all pretty cool. There were some quality issues brought about by the timetable. Foose admitted both at the show and on TV, that there was more work to do. I've seen more recent photos that showed progress. I met Kevin King from Year One and Joey from Unique at Goodguys. They were both really cool.

I liked the episode too. Rides is definitely my favorite TV show. I sure hope this thread doesn't descend into the usual nitpicking slamfest.

[WELTERRACER]

TONY

I noticed your car in the show... LOOKIN GOOD i might say..

I wasnt really impressed overall.. looked nice but nothing that really hasnt already been done.... REALLY disliked the hood and lack of rear spoiler.. (just doesnt look right)

Brian

[ProdigyCustoms]

Thanks for bringing it up. i got Tivo set for the second running. I saw a spread in a Muscle Car magazine, I thought it was OK, but for the money, not impressed.

[JohnnyGMachine]

Yeah I won't be nit-picking it. I think the first thing we should all be happy about is Pro-Touring build style is finally getting the exposure we've all wanted it to get. Chip Foose's 1969 Camaro is just one way that is helping Pro-Touring become mainstream, and that's good. Overall I think it's a cool car. I think he's added a few nice touches to it in typical Foose style. I don't think the goal is to make a crazy one off car that's like nothing you've seen before. I think what they are trying to do is offer a wicked turn key PT car for the masses and I think they accomplished it.

On a personal note (the designer in me is coming out) I actually think that the car looks real clean without the rear wing. I don't think it looks bad at all. Overall i think it's a good looking car. I especially like the seats and dash design. Neat detailing.

John

[Streetking]

What did you guys think about the blk '69 car?

SW

[69protour]

I thought that was very well done! Was the dash a Covan? I like it. Someone was saying that it's pretty flimsy? You know the only thing I saw was lack of the front spoiler. I'm not knit picking, still thought it was awsome! I didn't even miss the other stuff mentioned, because I was amazed at the quality. Trond.

[69protour]

I thought the black 69 was mean as hell looking.... but the rims were toooo big. Just my opinion. I think your black 69 looks a hell of alot better than the one they showed SW! If my black 69 turns out half as good as yours did SW I'll be as happy as a pig in sh#*! :) Trond

[Nine Ball]

I found the pics of the car on Unique's website:
http://www.uniqueperformance.com/Camaro.aspx

The dash is a Covan panel. I had one in my last Camaro, and it wasn't flimsy to me. Mine fit perfectly, and looked nice. Those Foose seats are sweet though! I wonder what brand they are.

Tony

[PRO TC]

i agree i wish the show would have got a little more in depth on the build. just a nice clean 69. i also dont hate the no rear spoiler look and i love the blacked out rear panel. chip could have been a little more exotic on the engine. i dont think i ever did here what tranny thay were using
pro tc/barry

[Nine Ball]

The specs on the car are on that link I posted. It has a 5-speed in the show car.

They really weren't shooting for "exotic" or 1-of-a-kind custom work, since this car needs to be mass produced. I'd call it a "Foose inspired" design, but not an all-out Foose custom like he would probably do if it was a 1-of canvas to play with.

[PRO TC]

thanks tony ya i see thay were using a tko 5 speed. thay did say thay were going to offer differant engine combos. i guess thay didnt want to go to crazy
pro tc/barry

[toxicz28]

Just finished watching it, overall, I think the car was pretty cool, but I think it needed a rear spoiler. Since nobody wants to hear nit-picking, I'll end it right there.:ssst:

[F70t/a]

I really dig it. It's different then most 69's. A rear spoiler would of looked good, but not a stock rear spoiler. It would not look good on that car (IMO). :yeah:

[yody]

Dave what the hell is that badger video????? I thought the foose camaro was alright, definetly nothing special and probably not a great value, but it was a nice car outside of all the hype, but it looked more like a car from "overhaulin" than a 200K special car

[69rs]

What did you guys think about the blk '69 car?

SW


It was built by the same guy that built the red 69 that won the Year One Cup.
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[69rs]

Another

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[vanzuuk1]

One great thing about the lack of spoiler,its one less thing to clean/dry/wax.

I like the foose car but I am not crazy about it.

[69rs]

Thanks for the photo edit, Derek.:icon996:

[CAMAROBOY69]

Another

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WOW! That is sexxxxyyyyy AND shaved!!! :yum: Instant boner. :bsjerk: :)

[Jagarang]

It's creepy how much that photo makes it look like a toy.

[slck6t9]

I thought the car was pretty but I think there are some cars here that are overall way nicer than that car.

Scott

[TA219]

The car has alot that i like and then other things that i would change completely but overall i think it is cool. I am excited to see the attention that the cars are getting and it makes me proud to think that i have my own version in the works right here in my garage

[ALLFAITH]

I was watching my wife feed the baby as she watched me watch Rides. She was interested in the show and Foose a little bit, I was pleased-her first interest in cars. She actually said why don't you get one of those (Eleanor's) and loved it and the color combo. She also loved that black Camaro pictured above with the red interior.

What car won Street Machine of the Year ?

Personally I loved the Foose Camaro look. Too bad it will cost so much, but I read that the parts will be available from Year one so I suppose one could pick and choose some choice add ons.

Brad

[DJ Mabe]

I liked the car but, I was a little disappointed. I expected a little more from a Foose Design car. Look around this site and you'll see pictures of numerous other 69's that I think blow away Foose's 69. Don't flame me too bad, just my opinion. If you had the mule, Streetking's 69, the black Camaro above, the red one that won the Year One cup and Foose's 69 all sitting in a row, which one would you want to look at first. Take the name off the car and tell me which car you would walk up to first. I say Foose's car is the last in the group that would catch my attention. Like I said, just my opinion.
Derrick

[Travis B]

A customer of ours is looking at buying the black car....he called yesterday asking our opinion very very very nice car and very pricey!

[trapin]

I liked the car a lot.

However, there will be criticisms....there always is.

As far as the car is concerned, I would have liked to have seen a more aggressive re-design of the front fascia (i.e Eleanor). Also...they could have done more to dress up the engine. I am not a big fan - nor have I ever been - of painted valve covers. They left the stock valve covers on that the 572 comes with from the factory. If you're going to be asking upwards of a quarter of a million dollars (which wouldn't surpirse me) than you had better spare no expense. Get a little closer to detail. Have some valve covers custom made. Screw the Covan dash...make your own. Steering wheel....custom made, Wheels...one off, . If you're paying for an original 'one of a kind' car than steer clear of the off-the-shelf parts. For my money it should have had a tubular chassis and custom front and rear suspension THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

Hey I'm not trying to knock the car, it's a great car. Yet another that I would sever a left nut to own. I just wish Rides would have shown more of the build instead of all the senseless back story.

[rockdogz]

On the Unique site it talks about having a Chris Alston's Chassisworks front subframe and power rack... What? I have Alston's front subframe and the manual rack, which I thought was their only option. I even called again not 2 weeks ago and asked for any other options for another rack setup - and there was none. I've only driven my car a few times around the block before it got locked up in jail, but the steering was not easy (obviously at low speed) and seemed to be a lot of turns lock to lock. WTF???

[MarkM66]

So much for not knit picking, lol .

[JohnnyGMachine]

I like the red Camaro better than the black Camaro in the pics above solely based on the proportions of the wheels/tires to the car. Big Time Muscle Diecast toys look great in small scale but in my honest opinion there's a stoppign point on the wheel and tire size on a muscle car atleast. The wheels and tires on the black car are just plain too big. There's not a bit of function there, it's all about looks which is OK for some I guess. And maybe that's all they were going for but for me a car is gotta be funtional and look good at the same time. It's a plain black Camaro with gigantic wheels.
Sorry, I had to say it. It's neat but the red one is about the limits of wheel and tire sizes on a 1st gen Camaro.

John

[Rybar]

My $0.02: Lack of rear spoiler, and don't like the blacked out RS grille. Otherwise I like the car. But as stated above, there are nicer cars (in my opinion) from people on this site (Mule, Streetking etc)

On another note: Guys this was a partnership between: Unique, Foose and Year One: Of course they want the parts from this car to sell from the shelves, there is a huge market for just parts as there is for the whole car.

[MuscleRodz]

I guess nobody caught Scott Kileen shooting the car for the next BUILD BOOK? Since they are trying to mass produce the car, I understand they can't be too radical with modifications. At this point I am more interested in seeing the final product before I voice my opinion again. Since its debut they have added Marquez taillights, DSE wiper motor, got rid of the Covan's dash and appears to have a DSE dash now. They are suppose to change the hood and a few other things as well. We will see were it ends up.

Mike

[Steve Chryssos]

Kevin King was pretty clear on the episode: Building cars on a production basis is entirely different that building one-offs. Compromises are made to achieve consistent mass produced cars.

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We all know that Foose can build a pretty good one-off. Let's pick his latest one-off, hand made Ridler winner. If Foose were to build 500 "Impression" 36 Fords, compromises would have to be made. The production cars simply would not be as good or as detailed as the original. There's just no way to effectively mass produce a car that took 7 years to produce by hand. And if you could pull it off, it would probably be MORE expensive, since it would take an army of highly skilled craftsmen to build each car in a timely fashion. That's why Ford thrived in the beginning of the last century and Duesenberg went bye-bye.

So there are many better one off pro-touring cars than the Foose/Unique car. No doubt. The presence of the Dupont Registry guy was most telling. I'll wager good money that mister Dupont swapped advertising for that Foose convertible. And these cars will go to Dupont Registry readers. These cars will not go to individuals who know how to have their own one-off cars built. The Unique customer is essentially ignorant to the custom cars building process.
-He's got the dough.
-He's never heard of Wheel2Wheel or Detroit Speed or Pro-Touring.com.
-He believes the hype. ($550K for a Unique 500E Convertible?).
-He wants someone to yell at if it breaks.
-And he wants it now!!
Time will tell if the "Foose/Discovery Channel" brand carries as much weight as the "Gone In 60 Seconds" brand. I could be wrong, but I think the Foose cars will only be worth 60-75 cents on the dollar compared to the Eleanor cars. Foose and the Discovery channel may not carry as much weight as a 1-1/2 hour Hollywood movie that's re-run on cable every other freakin' day.

Gone in 60 Seconds II anyone?

[ACEFOOTER]

Didn't see the show but I heard the rear suspension was trick, something about horizontal coil overs. Luv Chips' stuff normally, but this one didn't do much for me visually.

[Nine Ball]

Steve, maybe they should have painted it lemans blue with white stripes, ala "2 Fast 2 Furious". HAHA

Year One built that car in 2F2F too

[ALLFAITH]

Steve,,
great post, comments ring very true- to the crowd the car will be marketed, it seems like a match made in heaven. To the rest of us it seems that we can build them better ourselves or use the PT community to do it in a one-off manner. I personally like the car, whoever makes it or buys it.

Unique makes that rear suspension for Elenaors and Camros too.

Brad

[F70t/a]

Dave what the hell is that badger video????? I thought the foose camaro was alright, definetly nothing special and probably not a great value, but it was a nice car outside of all the hype, but it looked more like a car from "overhaulin" than a 200K special car


It's the best video ever!!! 4:20 helps :headbang:

[Ralph LoGrasso]

A customer of ours is looking at buying the black car....he called yesterday asking our opinion very very very nice car and very pricey!


with very, very, very big rear wheels. The red car looks much more proportionate.

[Travis B]

with very, very, very big rear wheels. The red car looks much more proportionate.

You are correct.....I like the fact that they tried something a little different though! I love the car...I would like a little bit better if it had 18's and 20's instead of 20's and 22's!

[TonyL]

On the Unique site it talks about having a Chris Alston's Chassisworks front subframe and power rack... What? I have Alston's front subframe and the manual rack, which I thought was their only option. I even called again not 2 weeks ago and asked for any other options for another rack setup - and there was none.

I just was at chris alston chassis works and asked about this. As of TODAY they are selling kits for power racks now. The ones on Uniques car were the first but the brackets were prototypes. They just got the "real" brackets in today. They are selling them to the public now.

[6'9"Witha69]

I like the way the car looks overall.
The main thing that always bugs me about FOOSE cars, No rearview mirrors! I know this seems a little pety but I can not see sacrificing functionality that much. If Alice (my Camaro) were ever overhauled I would tell him to put some f*&^%ng mirrors on it. I think it looks a little better w/ them too. He takes the whole shaved thing TOO far. This theory applies to the use of spoilers as well but given this cars paint job it looks good.

[WELTERRACER]

have you ever noticed.. he likes to paint every car TWOTONE... I hate that.

[WELTERRACER]

The Mule Is A Way Cooooler Car!!

[68fusion]

I was at Columbus this year when this car was there...didnt know so didnt get a look at it( foose camaro)....but did see UNIQUE's stuff ...man what a let down, poor poor paint and fit & finish. For the money they get out of these cars ( foose camaro too) I would want a little nicer car. So can you expect the same poor quality on the Camaro 's as well... other than the "want it now" attitude ...these cars have little to offer and could be replicated much cheaper..

A friend of mine put it like this..." this car is about getting paid! "
and getting paid good I might add!

[gman]

I was wondering if anyone knows if the rear suspension setup that was on the Foose car is worth looking into or not. I think I saw an add in a recent PHR. for Unique Performance and they were showing what looked like the same suspension.

[MuscleRodz]

No, rediculously overpriced.

Mike

[rockdogz]

I just was at chris alston chassis works and asked about this. As of TODAY they are selling kits for power racks now. The ones on Uniques car were the first but the brackets were prototypes. They just got the "real" brackets in today. They are selling them to the public now.

Aha, sure enough Tony, you're right. It's about $800, not including the PS pump... Sure, don't offer the power rack if I call, but if FOOSE calls... :)

[PRO TC]

if i had the cash and the mule was for sale id buy it in a heartbeat. its the car i compair all other PRO-TOURING cars to (camaros) to me it is the best hands down

barry

[Ralph LoGrasso]

You are correct.....I like the fact that they tried something a little different though! I love the car...I would like a little bit better if it had 18's and 20's instead of 20's and 22's!


Since the wheel is so tucked, and it looks like the quarter has some massaging done to it, it doesn't look to out of place. The car definitely has excellent craftsmanship all around. I'm guessing that guy is asking over $200k.

[DJ Mabe]

have you ever noticed.. he likes to paint every car TWOTONE... I hate that.
I have noticed that. Almost every car they did on the show are two toned but, his Riddler winner was solid silver.

[toxicz28]

No, rediculously overpriced.

Mike
In the area of $5,000 without differential and axels.

[Travis B]

Since the wheel is so tucked, and it looks like the quarter has some massaging done to it, it doesn't look to out of place. The car definitely has excellent craftsmanship all around. I'm guessing that guy is asking over $200k.


105,000
For the black car

[MarkM66]

I was at Columbus this year when this car was there...didnt know so didnt get a look at it( foose camaro)....but did see UNIQUE's stuff ...man what a let down, poor poor paint and fit & finish. For the money they get out of these cars ( foose camaro too) I would want a little nicer car. So can you expect the same poor quality on the Camaro 's as well... other than the "want it now" attitude ...these cars have little to offer and could be replicated much cheaper..

A friend of mine put it like this..." this car is about getting paid! "
and getting paid good I might add!

The way you like to knock the Black '69 from in the Columbus thread, and the Foose Camaro, I can't wait to see your finished car, it should be king of the world!!!!

[Ralph LoGrasso]

105,000
For the black car


That's still a hell of a lot of money, but for some reason with the prices being so completely ridiculous these days, I thought he'd be asking even more. Still though, damn that is a lot of money

[Damn True]

I liked the paint, didn't dig the lack of rear spoiler, liked the additional coachwork, didn't dig the big-block, didn't dig the suspension.

With all the work they did on the additional coachwork, Id have thought they might have come up with an original treatment for a rear spoiler. Oh well, cool car and I sure wouldn't spit in Chip's eye if he offered it to me, but I wouldn't have done it that way myself.

[Dayton]

I did like the exhaust staight out through the tailpan.
I'm stealing that idea.....
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[68fusion]

The way you like to knock the Black '69 from in the Columbus thread, and the Foose Camaro, I can't wait to see your finished car, it should be king of the world!!!!


Woops did I step on someones toes? Hey just telling it like I saw it...

[ViperBlue68]

I did like the exhaust staight out through the tailpan.
I'm stealing that idea.....
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Big D where in Nor Cal u @????

[Damn True]

I did like the exhaust staight out through the tailpan.
I'm stealing that idea.....
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I may do the same thing....yeah.....where in Nor-Cal? Im in San Jose.

[Bird of Fire]

Not a fan of the second gen style hood at all, or the grill, or the 80's looking monochromatic bumpers.

Ther beautiful thing about 67-69 f-bodies is that you really only need to change the stance, and wheel/tire combo to make them look gorgeous.

Foose is an artist that doesn't know when to put down his paint brush and leave the work alone IMO. :(

[Dayton]

Big D where in Nor Cal u @????


Chico. Calif.

[toxicz28]

Not a fan of the second gen style hood at all, or the grill, or the 80's looking monochromatic bumpers.




If I'm not mistaken, I believe that that is a fourth-gen SS styled hood. The same hood used on Year One's "Innovator".

[shmoov69]

sheesh! Are the wheels on the black car photochopped or what!?! They don't even look real! The rest is pretty sweet though!

[MarkM66]

Woops did I step on someones toes? Hey just telling it like I saw it...

Not that I'm aware of.

It sure does take some balls to critisize those two cars, considering they're probably built to a higher quality then 98% of the cars on this site.

I'll be looking for yours at Columbus next year. Can't wait to see it as it should be leaps and bounds above these two, at least it better with you being such a perfectionist and all. I'll be sure to wear sock suspenders too!

The black car won a "Top 5" smoy, and you have the nerve to critisize it. Some nerve. If someone doesn't like the look of it, that's fine, everyone can have their opinion. But to knock the actual build quality, that's uncalled for. No matter who you are, or who you think you are.

If your's isn't it that Top 5 next year, I hope you're not to disapointed.

[Travis B]

sheesh! Are the wheels on the black car photochopped or what!?! They don't even look real! The rest is pretty sweet though!


No it is not photo chopped it has 19's and 22's on it! :seizure:


The car is very nice I love the black on red and the 60' dash, of course don't ask Chip Jr(68 fusion) he found a gap that was 5/16 instead of 3/16! The same guy built the year one cup winning red 69 camaro also......that is in PHR this month!

[crazyfireman]

Where can I get more info on those 2 cars? I love the look and want to know more about them (black and Red). Thanks

[Travis B]

Where can I get more info on those 2 cars? I love the look and want to know more about them (black and Red). Thanks


I bet steve has some info on them Like I stated before the red one is in PHR the black one will be covered by someone I'm sure, that is if they can get over the "poor build quality and finger sized gaps"! lol :enguard:

[MarkM66]

I bet steve has some info on them Like I stated before the red one is in PHR the black one will be covered by someone I'm sure, that is if they can get over the poor build quality and finger sized gaps :enguard:

LOL!!! They'll put anything in PHR these days, ;-) .

[Steve1968LS2]

I bet steve has some info on them Like I stated before the red one is in PHR the black one will be covered by someone I'm sure, that is if they can get over the poor build quality and finger sized gaps :enguard:

I didn't get a chance to look closely at the black '69 but the build quality on the red car was very good.. and the black one was good enough to make the top-5 for Street Machine of the Year :dunno: - The two '69's that made the top-5 were certainly not my favorites.

Johnny just shot the Foose Camaro and the Unique GT350 for the January PHR issue.. pics came out great, it is amazing what good talent behind the camera can do for a car.. They have made the car much nicer now than it looked back at its unveiling in Columbus, it was a bit "rough" then.

[kennyd]

[QUOTE=Steve1969LS1]I didn't get a chance to look closely at the black '69 but the build quality on the red car was very good.. and the black one was good enough to make the top-5 for Street Machine of the Year :dunno: - The two '69's that made the top-5 were certainly not my favorites.

the black 69 was a very nice built car , travis and mark are quoting 68fusion.

[MarkM66]

[QUOTE=Steve1969LS1]I didn't get a chance to look closely at the black '69 but the build quality on the red car was very good.. and the black one was good enough to make the top-5 for Street Machine of the Year :dunno: - The two '69's that made the top-5 were certainly not my favorites.

the black 69 was a very nice built car , travis and mark are quoting 68fusion.

Right. There's an old post where Fusion was very "disapointed" with the quality of cars at Columbus.

I know the black '69 is a very nice car, and I doubt Foose would have his name associated with a sub par s-box.

[MarkM66]

Where can I get more info on those 2 cars? I love the look and want to know more about them (black and Red). Thanks

Here is some info on the Red one;

http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0511phr_cmro/

[crazyfireman]

Thanks for the info!

[69c4x11]

Show me one that was garage built ,behind the house that is Better!!!! I know Scott and for Bang for the Bucks , build one on his budget !!!

[Steve1968LS2]

Show me one that was garage built ,behind the house that is Better!!!! I know Scott and for Bang for the Bucks , build one on his budget !!!

That's probley the most amazing part about Scott.. he does this as a hobby and is not a full time builder..

The black one will be for sale soon.. I wonder if he sold the red one??

[69c4x11]

Yes ,The Red car was sold,,, I talked to Scott after " Rides " went off,, The Black car is in the process of cash transaction... Let these critisizing builders show up at Columbus next year in the top 5,,

[Travis B]

Yes ,The Red car was sold,,, I talked to Scott after " Rides " went off,, The Black car is in the process of cash transaction... Let these critisizing builders show up at Columbus next year in the top 5,,


Do you know who is buying the Black Car......? One of our customers put an offer in on it!

[Damn True]

Im sure both the red and black car are wonderfully constructed cars. I just think the black one looks absurd with that wheel package and appears to be far too low for anything other than idling through the parking lot at a Goodguys show.

A bit too much Pro-Show for my taste.

[Steve1968LS2]

Im sure both the red and black car are wonderfully constructed cars. I just think the black one looks absurd with that wheel package and appears to be far too low for anything other than idling through the parking lot at a Goodguys show.

A bit too much Pro-Show for my taste.

The black car with some 18-inch HRE's (with black centers?) would be so sweet..

[Travis B]

Im sure both the red and black car are wonderfully constructed cars. I just think the black one looks absurd with that wheel package and appears to be far too low for anything other than idling through the parking lot at a Goodguys show.

A bit too much Pro-Show for my taste.


I think the black car was on air ride...but i'm not positive!

[Damn True]

The black car with some 18-inch HRE's (with black centers?) would be so sweet..
Yeah, that and a little more ride height.

[MarkM66]

Let these critisizing builders show up at Columbus next year in the top 5,,

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Damn True]

Colombus is a "Car Show" right?

I think that is the point here. Nobody is critisizing the ability of the builder or the quality of the work. I think that many though, myself included, are simply saying they don't care for the finished product. Clearly you and 69c4x11 are somewhat insulted by that. But you shouldn't be. It isn't a condemnation of the ability or taste of the builder or anyone who shares that taste, but an expression of differing taste. When you put your stuff out there, as in at a show, you have to be prepared to have it critisized by those with differing tastes.

I don't care for show cars. It dosen't matter if it's a chopped 50 Merc, a lowrider Impala, a blingified civic or that particular Camaro. They do nothing for me. I prefer well excecuted cars that are built to haul a$$. But then one man's junk is anothers art now isn't it?

So enjoy your art and I'll enjoy mine.

[68fusion]

Look I think these two cars ARE better than 98% of the cars out there...body items are my specialty ...gaps, panel fit ect...just my fetish.. These cars were great ...but could have used better panel fit and gaps a little tighter. IMOP- just the thing I focus on ...chevy II - charger and mustang all had good gaps and panel line up. Just one way to choose one car over another? judging wise ..? dont know...

I fix these things for a living...so admire anyone who "restores or modifies" any older car because I know it is no easy job...with or without alot of money.

[vanzuuk1]

If we all liked the same thing it would be pretty dull.

No one said anything personal, so no offense meant .

I know some people hate my car, when someone said it had a snowplow up front I laughed my ass off.

Camaros are built like streetrods a lot now but I like the getaway car look .

I still check out the other stuff.