Ridetech OUT, 4 link Watts-link in.

[Tweak]

Time to throw the ridetech rear out and get better diff control with a custom 4 link and Watts linkage.

[badazz81z28]

Have you looked into Detroit Speed?

[BMR Sales]

We make Suspension Kits with Watts Links

[Tweak]

Cheers BMR, yeah a buddy down here has just installed one of your kits.

I'm going to design and build my own.

Cheers

[67CamaroLSX]

What you going to do with the ridetech 4 link?

[Tweak]

What you going to do with the ridetech 4 link?

Cutting it up

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Yeah I've had a good look, its a nice piece. Cheers

if you want some of the small pieces ( like the Watts Link Pivot) so you don't have to machine them, let me know

[67CamaroLSX]

Cutting it up? I would take it off your hands.

[Tweak]

Cutting it up? I would take it off your hands.

I couldn't bring myself to give this junk to anyone.

[BMR Sales]

Cheers BMR, yeah a buddy down here has just installed one of your kits.

I'm going to design and build my own.

Cheers

if you want some of the small pieces ( like the Watts Link Pivot) so you don't have to machine them, let me know

[Merritt5]

if you want some of the small pieces ( like the Watts Link Pivot) so you don't have to machine them, let me know

What about the lca brackets, are they offered individually?

[BMR Sales]

What about the lca brackets, are they offered individually?

if you can screenshot what you mean, I'll let you know. There are some pieces I can't sell.

[Merritt5]

if you can screenshot what you mean, I'll let you know. There are some pieces I can't sell.

This lower control arm bracket

[slammed68]

Is this a build thread on your custom 4 link or just more boohooing about your experience with ridetech?

[Tweak]

Is this a build thread on your custom 4 link or just more boohooing about your experience with ridetech?

lol, just answering questions.

Yeah its a thread, you probably shouldn't follow

[anguilla1980]

Is this a build thread on your custom 4 link or just more boohooing about your experience with ridetech?

I appreciate the information being shared in this thread so quit your b*tchin.

[slammed68]

I appreciate the information being shared in this thread so quit your b*tchin.

Cool, glad you were able learn something.

I certainly dont mind someone saying, hey i'm switching this up because I would like to make improvements on XYZ. Here is what I have designed, here are the specs, does anyone have any input, ect,.

Just seemed like this was a case of someone looking to bash a product that a lot of members on this forum are using with positive results. He has complained and moaned about his experience with ridetech in the past despite his experiencing being way off center from that of other people who are running their products. This main complaint here is roll steer which is possible with triangulated or parallel 4- links and is heavily dependent on a number of variables including installation. I'm curious about how much articulation is required to get significant rear steer while on the road and if he calculated the amount of roll steer expected with the ridetech setup before designing his own solution. I dont think anyone considers the ridetech 4 link to be the best performing 4 link, it's intended to be a convenient solution that performs well.

Deciding to cut up a product that a lot of people would love to have if they could afford it, rather than sell it at a discount or give it away is pretty ****ty. I hate to hear about someone spending a lot of money on a product only to be let down but this is just petty. /rant

As an application engineer who works to support a popular version of CAD software I would have been very interested to hear more about the design process. I think everyone would have found the process of developing your own suspension very interesting, what software was used, critical measurements, simulations, challenges.

[Tweak]

Cool, glad you were able learn something.

I certainly dont mind someone saying, hey i'm switching this up because I would like to make improvements on XYZ. Here is what I have designed, here are the specs, does anyone have any input, ect,.

Just seemed like this was a case of someone looking to bash a product that a lot of members on this forum are using with positive results. He has complained and moaned about his experience with ridetech in the past despite his experiencing being way off center from that of other people who are running their products. This main complaint here is roll steer which is possible with triangulated or parallel 4- links and is heavily dependent on a number of variables including installation. I'm curious about how much articulation is required to get significant rear steer while on the road and if he calculated the amount of roll steer expected with the ridetech setup before designing his own solution. I dont think anyone considers the ridetech 4 link to be the best performing 4 link, it's intended to be a convenient solution that performs well.

Deciding to cut up a product that a lot of people would love to have if they could afford it, rather than sell it at a discount or give it away is pretty ****ty. I hate to hear about someone spending a lot of money on a product only to be let down but this is just petty. /rant

As an application engineer who works to support a popular version of CAD software I would have been very interested to hear more about the design process. I think everyone would have found the process of developing your own suspension very interesting, what software was used, critical measurements, simulations, challenges.

If your going to stalk me, please get your facts straight.
Your beating up on me!!!

I had issues with there tru turn, correct, it failed our very strict certification process here in NZ. I acknowledged the tru turn is a great concept, but yes the R&D process was flawed.
I ended up re-engineering there concept and got better than their claimed results, so the tru turn can work fantastic, but if you want it awesome, it needs to be custom engineered to your specific setup. Ride height plays the biggest part.
I originally bought there complete front and rear kits as I was new to car modification and blindly believed there xxx.
Now I have more confidence i'm re-engineering my rear.
"Cutting up" may have been an exaggeration on my part, given.
But there wont be any parts to sell, I will leave most of the cradle in for shock mounts and I will use the links if I can, and change to poly and heim joints for Jonny joints.
And I live in New Zealand, who's going to pay the frieght, would cost more than new parts.

I was unaware they had changed there top pick up points, so I guess the question is Why? Something wrong?
I'm going down a watts linkage path as its the one for me. Top arm length is always an issue in 1st gens, but my CAD simulations are coming along nicely

[slammed68]

If your going to stalk me, please get your facts straight.
Your beating up on me!!!

I had issues with there tru turn, correct, it failed our very strict certification process here in NZ. I acknowledged the tru turn is a great concept, but yes the R&D process was flawed.
I ended up re-engineering there concept and got better than their claimed results, so the tru turn can work fantastic, but if you want it awesome, it needs to be custom engineered to your specific setup. Ride height plays the biggest part.
I originally bought there complete front and rear kits as I was new to car modification and blindly believed there xxx.
Now I have more confidence i'm re-engineering my rear.
"Cutting up" may have been an exaggeration on my part, given.
But there wont be any parts to sell, I will leave most of the cradle in for shock mounts and I will use the links if I can, and change to poly and heim joints for Jonny joints.
And I live in New Zealand, who's going to pay the frieght, would cost more than new parts.

I was unaware they had changed there top pick up points, so I guess the question is Why? Something wrong?
I'm going down a watts linkage path as its the one for me. Top arm length is always an issue in 1st gens, but my CAD simulations are coming along nicely

I didnt stalk you lol, I was apart of your post regarding the issues you experienced with the truturn setup. Your results were far from typical but you bashed them pretty good. Perhaps you had an out of spec part, perhaps your car or some of its components were out of spec. You mentioned ride height and ridetech is very specific about where the rideheight should be. Same thing with the 4 link, ride height can have a big effect on roll steer but they tell you where to set the ride height.

Regarding the changes to the upper links, my understanding is that they changed the mount position to lower the roll center. You would probably need to chat with them about the exact result of the changes or plug the specs into a calculator and see what the results are. They mentioned that there wont be much of an effect for street cars but autocross/road course there should be a small improvement.

[David Pozzi]

In an effort to clarify things a bit. ridetech has recently re-engineered their rear suspension mostly by changing the upper links to converge as they run forward from the axle. The new upper links are longer.

[Tweak]

In an effort to clarify things a bit. ridetech has recently re-engineered their rear suspension mostly by changing the upper links to converge as they run forward from the axle. The new upper links are longer.

Thanks David
Any chance I could get those dimensions and run them threw my cad model?