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    1. #21
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      Quote Originally Posted by mpozzi View Post
      I might be able to answer that one. If you have access to Internet via a cell phone, iPad, several computers, a work computer ... one person can vote a bunch of times. That's the only issue I could see here.

      Mary Pozzi
      That makes sense I guess. Maybe they should only open it up to Facebook with a one-vote limit per account. Thanks Mary!!

      Kerry

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    2. #22
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      Kerry,

      Concerns about the legitimacy of votes were raised on the car that ended up with the most votes. Other concerns were raised that somehow people's original votes were moved to other cars without their knowledge. If people were administrators on Facebook pages, they could also cast additional votes if they were using Facebook as that page and I saw at least one guy I know, who did that in the voting. In the end, when you put something out there that people want really badly, folks will push the envelope to try to get things to work out in their favor. That is a theme that weaves it's way through every facet of the OUSCI selection process and the event itself, making it very challenging to invite vehicles and run the event.

      Our goal was to give the fans a voice in helping select the field, we just need to find a better way to go about doing it and we're actively working on that. Ideally, we'd like to have another fan vote and if we can find a better way to do it, we may wait until after all the qualifiers have been run to give it another shot.

      Jim McIlvaine
      eCare Manager, optima batteries, Inc.
      www.facebook.com/optimabatteries

    3. #23
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      Organizing , hosting , and sponsoring an event is not that easy .
      It takes a tremendous amout of time , mental energy , and concentration.
      It's not easy being responsible for other peoples satisfaction and happiness ..
      Trust Me , I've been there ..
      Jeff Tate
      U.S.A.
      "The best thing about participating in these events is that you get to hang out with a group of intelligent like minded people who live to achieve things in their lives. You won't find a lazy, mean, or dumb bone in their bodies." Bret Voelkel, RideTech

    4. #24
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      Quote Originally Posted by OptimaJim View Post
      Kerry,

      Concerns about the legitimacy of votes were raised on the car that ended up with the most votes. Other concerns were raised that somehow people's original votes were moved to other cars without their knowledge. If people were administrators on Facebook pages, they could also cast additional votes if they were using Facebook as that page and I saw at least one guy I know, who did that in the voting. In the end, when you put something out there that people want really badly, folks will push the envelope to try to get things to work out in their favor. That is a theme that weaves it's way through every facet of the OUSCI selection process and the event itself, making it very challenging to invite vehicles and run the event.

      Our goal was to give the fans a voice in helping select the field, we just need to find a better way to go about doing it and we're actively working on that. Ideally, we'd like to have another fan vote and if we can find a better way to do it, we may wait until after all the qualifiers have been run to give it another shot.

      Jim McIlvaine
      eCare Manager, optima batteries, Inc.
      www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
      What was weird to me was after several days of pretty consistent movements (mostly linearly) in votes, one car SLING SHOTTED past the others by hundreds of votes...... just didn't seem right to me.

      Good call on shutting that voting method down!
      1968 Camaro widebody project
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    5. #25
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      That makes sense and I knew it was something technoid. FWIW, I only voted once ...

      Mary P.
      mpozzi . . . '73 Camaro RS, '69 Camaro SCCA/Trans-Am vintage racer, and a 1989 R7U 1LE Players Challenge car.

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    6. #26
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      Competition.

      The ruin of MANY a hobby for MANY hobbyists!

      Add contingency money to win/place, face time on TV and in print and you see what rises to the top! Hatred, jealousy, despair and of course arm chair CEO's. This is and was inevitable!

      As much as you may desire and hope Hendrick, Childress, Gannassi and Penske are NOT at the RTTH events, Goodguys or the optima event looking for their next young driving sensation! These are still amateur events that are unfortunately moving ever faster to sponsored shoes wheeling the cars for big buck owners OR heavily product sponsored drivers/owners looking for free/discounted parts for their cars in return for hawking their sponsors products. Of course the products I use on my car are the best products out there if they were not I would not use them. Given the HUGE amount of quality suppliers that now cater to our hobby they ALL CANNOT be the best. Could it be possible that the product with the best promotion does not mean that product is necessarily the best product? Sadly, my opinion, is that our hobby is becoming ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!

      My hat is off to Bill, Jimi, Yancy, Finch, Bret, Kyle, Stacey, the Pozzi's and ALL THE OTHERS who are INVOLVED in promoting and producing events for us to attend and ENJOY! Thank you ALL from the bottom of my heart! From a business prospective being the promotor's of these events is CRAPPY business plan from the time, money and effort aspect needed to produce ANY event and the potential financial return if any you might enjoy. You better LOVE PROMOTING EVENTS cause the greeter job at Wal Mart probably pays better with a LOT LESS responsibility and NO Capital Expenditure. Even better is the fact that as the greeter at Wal Mart you do NOT have put up with a bunch CRAP from winey customers. All you have to do is point them to customer service and smile!!!! I'll bet all the guys listed above wish they could do the same thing and point the winey event participant to someone else who cares!

      I started "racing" (that's what I liked to call it) in the 70's with SCCA and Corvette club autocross and loved it. I then got bored with autocross and moved to Club track events which were similiar to today's "Open Track" events. I eventually realized that Roger Penske was not going to be calling anytime soon and just as with autocross I also got bored with club track events. Since I was then in my mid 30's I looked for the next level of car competition and decided that weekly racing and SCCA were not my cup of tea and settled into vintage racing. NICE people, NICE events, all the WHEEL TO WHEEL competition you could want AND LOT'S OF TRACK TIME at ALL the premier tracks across the country that you could want race or better yet afford to go race at! No work on the car all week, race it and wreck on Saturday and then work on it all week to do it again the next weekend like the local round d rounders. Where's the fun in that? Yes, some would say that vintage racing is also "All About the Money" as lord knows there are LOT'S of guys with LOT'S of money out there racing. They also PAY TO RACE and first place pays the same as last place. ZERO DOLLARS!!! As much as "I" enjoy going to the RTTH event (I have been to all of them) and the people sitting in line ALL DAY to make 4-6 one to two minute autocross runs is just not much fun to me. Same with open track events with controlled passing. Once you run "Wheel To Wheel For Real" autocross and open track events are just not that much fun! I will not be surprised when many of the current heavy hitter participants in our current events will also come to the same conclusion and look for that next thrill level. We have not even talked about drag racing which is like sex with your girlfriend. Three hours worth of work for ten seconds of glory! I'd say that also pretty much describes a day at the drag strip with 3 hours working on the car, waiting in line to try and make a 10 second "pass" down the track!

      Answer this question. Do you really think that an invite to the optima event would be so coveted IF the event was NOT heavily promoted, NOT on TV and NOT mentioned repeatedly in many print magazines? I think the obvious answer would be NO! Kudos to Optima and their event marketing department for such a successful marketing and promotional campaign!

      I cannot say enough NICE things about the Optima folks and ALL THE OTHER FOLKS mentioned above who invest their OWN MONEY, TIME AND EFFORT into promoting events that people in our hobby want to attend. Don't like the rules? Don't like the location? Don't like the cost? Don't like the decisions? Pissed that you have a mid pack car? GO OUT AND PROMOTE YOUR OWN EVENT! Make your own rules. Spend your own money to hold the event and probably most important go look in the mirror and see yourself pissing and moaning about something you do not like about your own event. Welcome to the real world of being a promoter who is trying to make all these potential race car drivers who enter your event happy!

      Enjoy our hobby at whatever level you choose to participate. If you want to complain go find another hobby to complain about!
      Mike

      Remember, "Drive Fast, Turn Heads, Break Hearts!"

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    7. #27
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      Quote Originally Posted by vintageracer View Post
      Answer this question. Do you really think that an invite to the optima event would be so coveted IF the event was NOT heavily promoted, NOT on TV and NOT mentioned repeatedly in many print magazines? I think the obvious answer would be NO!
      Mike, I agree most everything you said, except for this one thing. About 10 years ago, I was fortunate enough to be selected to compete in the Car Craft Real Street Eliminator event held in Bristol. I remembered reading about that event in Car Craft magazines as a kid, and I had a 'dream' to build a car and compete in it someday. Over the years, my 'dream' was refined, I knew what car I wanted to build, and I was going to compete! Well, RSE was cancelled for many years, so I thought that dream was over, but I built the car anyway.

      During the summer that I was finishing up the car, Car Craft revived the RSE event. I was very excited, but wasn't sure if my car would be ready in time. I literally FedEx-ed my application to attend the event 3 days before the deadline. When I got the call 2 days later that I was invited, I was ecstatic! I was going to get to fulfill that dream!

      I never received any sponsor money, or parts, or TV coverage, or any particular recognition other than being in the write-up on the event (which our own Jeff Schwartz won btw). But that wasn't the point for me... I just wanted to do it, and I did!

      I have a feeling that there are a few that do see it the way that you described, but I would be willing to bet that many more see it as an honor to attend moreso than a way to self-promote.
      Bryan (a.k.a. Carbuff)

      70 Camaro RS Hunk'o'Metal - Previous Project
      71 Firebird Project T.O.W. - New Project

    8. #28
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      Quote Originally Posted by vintageracer View Post

      Don't like the rules? Don't like the location? Don't like the cost? Don't like the decisions? Pissed that you have a mid pack car? GO OUT AND PROMOTE YOUR OWN EVENT! Make your own rules. Spend your own money to hold the event and probably most important go look in the mirror and see yourself pissing and moaning about something you do not like about your own event. Welcome to the real world of being a promoter who is trying to make all these potential race car drivers who enter your event happy!

      Enjoy our hobby at whatever level you choose to participate. If you want to complain go find another hobby to complain about!


      I agree 100% here, I get so tired of people running their mouths when they can't or won't put on an event or try to help out at the existing ones. And whining and saying this is wrong or that should have been this way, being a keyboard commando is "NOT HELPING", it is bitching.

      Come out enjoy the events or go somewhere else......plain and simple.

      Robert

    9. #29
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      Just one general comment, I noticed an Embassy Suites hotel between this year's event hotel and the track. Might be interesting to see what kind of rate they could give. I stay in that chain a lot every year and the included cook to order breakfast and 2 hours of free drinks every evening along with large rooms make it a pretty nice chain to stay at. I'd suggest it for RTTC but neither of the ones in the area have parking lots capable of handling trailers.

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