Why aren't there more Pro-Touring Mustangs??

[Chad-1stGen]

Yeah so like many my first love is the first generation Camaro.

But I love first generation Mustangs too!! I see some of them represented in super high end builds but there they are few and far between on this forum. At the recent RTTC on Sunday I only saw two first gen Mustangs.

They made a hell of a lot more Mustangs than Camaros. What gives? I guess Steilow's builds and Big Red only inspired Camaro fans lol?

Is it because Mustang front ends are harder to make perform (no idea on if that's true, just know the strut tower set up isn't real well liked). Harder to fit big motors?



I haven't figured out if its a temporary bug or not but lately I've found myself wanting to dabble with a 65-66 Mustang. Its soooo much harder to find good information on those cars than Camaros.

Are all the PT mustangs hiding on a Ford site?

PS. what are the best Mustang sites for first gen Mustang info?

PPS. Feel free to show off your first gen PT Mustangs in this thread with pics ha ha.

[Chad-1stGen]

Damn love that fastback. Soooo clean!

[Bryce]

current popularity of the camaro.

Ease of camaro suspension mods. And more aftermarket choices.

LS motors

Tire size without doing any mods

All the mustangs are being used in vintage racing. Check out corner-carvers for mustang builds.

Most have seen my falcon, even rarer than a mustang.

[Rod]

I was wondering the same thing Chad, we could of had a few more Stangs show up at RTTC

[Six_Shooter]

Expect one more (a '65) to be PT'd in the next few years. ;)

[6spdcamaro]

From what I have experienced the mustangs are a great platform. One huge advantage they have is their weight. My dad's weighs 2940 with a full tank, and has a 50%/50% f/r split with the driver. They do have a limited tire size, and it's a little difficult to work in the engine bay. But considering the other advantages I still don't know why there aren't more of them out there. They have great aftermarket support, and with relatively little work they can perform pretty well.

Here is my dads car at last years RTTH. Since this picture we have put a new maier racing front 1 1/8" sway bar on the front, and added a maier 5/8" splined adjustable bar for the rear.

[Chad-1stGen]

From what I have experienced the mustangs are a great platform. One huge advantage they have is their weight. My dad's weighs 2940 with a full tank, and has a 50%/50% f/r split with the driver. They do have a limited tire size, and it's a little difficult to work in the engine bay. But considering the other advantages I still don't know why there aren't more of them out there. They have great aftermarket support, and with relatively little work they can perform pretty well.

Here is my dads car at last years RTTH. Since this picture we have put a new maier racing front 1 1/8" sway bar on the front, and added a maier 5/8" splined adjustable bar for the rear.

That is an awesome shot! That mustang looks beautiful but also super mean and nasty in that shot. Love it.

So many awesome Mustangs in this thread. Hope we see more builds on this site of em. I keep perusing craigslist for a new project lol. Not that I really need one...

[65 Fastback]

There are plenty of "Restomod" Mustangs out there. I would like to see more Mustangs on here too, but I think most hang out at the Mustang boards, StangFix, VMF, StangNet, etc..

Here's mine.

[Steve1968LS2]

Mainly lack of parts choices... but that's going to change. I know DSE is working on stuff and I was a Global West and they have some way cool stuff being developed..

Mustang owners rejoice!!!!

[stage2ROUSH]

Mainly lack of parts choices... but that's going to change. I know DSE is working on stuff and I was a Global West and they have some way cool stuff being developed..

Mustang owners rejoice!!!!

so is it true, DSE is working on some stuff for stangs ???????? thought I read that in a magazine a while back, and seems like i read even on fox body's ????????????????????? if thats so , look out !!!! I've always wished DSE would come to the "DARK side"

[kiwigt]

so is it true, DSE is working on some stuff for stangs ???????? thought I read that in a magazine a while back, and seems like i read even on fox body's ????????????????????? if thats so , look out !!!! I've always wished DSE would come to the "DARK side"

Me too - I'll be one of the first in line if DSE makes first gen Mustang components...

[67greengt]

I'm working on one.... my 67 Fastback !!

I've had the car since I was 11 (now 24) It's my life...everything I do is revolved around my car lol

I was fortunate to have the car featured in bone stock form in Mustang and Fords in Nov 2004 and again in semi-pro touring form in Car Craft this past September. I am now in the process of completely re-doing the car in a one-off true pro touring theme, that I hope to take to Sema when completed.


Some highlights of the build are:



Rouscharged Coyote 5L (not out yet - hopefully by summer this year) at 7lbs of boost will make 600hp
Custom Roadster Shop IFS front end utilizing Corvette C6 Front suspension, shockwaves airbags and rack and pinion steering (working with Phil at Roadster shop on this as we speak)
ridetech 4 Link Rear Suspension
ridetech Ridepro and e3 air management system utilizing internal ride height sensors
Mini Tubbed
Custom Dutchman Narrowed rear end
Rushforth Wildside 18x8`s and 18x10`s with 245 and 295 BF KDW`s
Baer Brakes Pro Plus 14" 6 Piston brakes on all four corners
Tremec TKO 600 5 speed or T56 Magnum (currently have a tko600 for the car)
Rick's Stainless steel fuel Tank
Custom one-off interior featuring handbuilt dash and Apple Ipad to run all audio/video/interior switches ie power windows etc
BMW Heated Power Seats
Focal Sound System
Ring Brothers Front Reactor Valance and Bumper
Flush mounted front and rear glass


It's quite an undertaking so I'm not really putting a timeline on it. When it's done, it's done... I'll be sure to post pics as I progress, but progress has been slow lately... hopefully by the summer I'll have the roadster shop front clip on it and maybe have the motor on order..

[Matt@BOS]

so is it true, DSE is working on some stuff for stangs ???????? thought I read that in a magazine a while back, and seems like i read even on fox body's ????????????????????? if thats so , look out !!!! I've always wished DSE would come to the "DARK side"

I bug Kyle about this every time I see him. Two weeks ago when I asked how things were coming along he said they were in the process of developing everything on the computer. As far as I know, they are currently only working on parts for early Mustangs, not Fox stuff. Kyle has also made sure to note that the Mustang stuff is being done first and foremost for a customer, and nothing is set in stone as to when these products might ever make it to the market. I would, however, keep an eye out for an announcement of some kind around the end of the year, or beginning of the next.

Matt

[Rick K]

the marriage of these two cars into one 67 fastback will be posted in a build thread soon.First I need to finish off a 90 mustang coupe build

[Flagmissed]

These are my two projects. It took me 8 years to build the Mustang and I am guessing that I will get the Camaro done in two. In my opinion the Chevy is just easier to find and get parts for. The fastback is my first love but I am excited about all of the possibilities that this Camaro has.

[NOT A TA]

I agree, easier to build the F bodies. I was mid project on my 66 coupe in 1992 when I bought my 70 Firebird and built it instead, then the 81 Malibu, then the 67 RS SS Conv. Camaro, then the 67 Nova SS, then the 86 911,......I keep saying I'll get back to the Mustang eventually..... Took pics of it this week! but sadly thats it.

[cobragt]

My brother has autocrossed a 66 Mustang for years. And I would be building my 69 Mach if I had the money. But I need to work on the car that is running so I'm working on my 78 Cobra, talk about hard to find parts! And I'm still not convinced that I can get it to handle as well as my 87 GT, but it will be fun trying.

[79-TA]

My theory, and it's only a theory, has been this. Mustangs are much more common than Camaros at your typical road course event and have more of a presence in professional racing. The corner carving demographic of Mustang owners were more likely to turn to pre-existing events to run their cars. The track element of pro-touring is then not as impressive to Mustang owners who are into that sort of thing.

Obviously, there are a ton of exceptions that are not described by that and both the Camaro and Mustang have been road raced since they first came out.

Here's a picture from the first real NASA trackday I attended back in '09. Even with the Camaros in AI, CMC, and CMC2, the Camaros at the event could be counted on one hand. Mustangs on the other hand were very well represented, though there were no early examples signed up to run. How does running newer Mustangs relate to fewer PT-ed older Mustangs? Well another theory, a Mustang owner might have a dedicated track car and an old Mustang just to cruise around in. I'm not sure how many people that really applies to though.



I must ask the question, why are there not more Camaros at ordinary track events? Thankfully, the good members of this site do their part to correct that, but it is odd to me that more Camaros (of any vintage) aren't raced.

[jeff s]

I know of a number of Mustangs under construction with our chassis under them.
We've got a 69 Mustang in process at the shop now.
Schwartz full chassis, 2011 5.0L Coyote engine, with supercharger not yet installed.
Here's a link:
http://www.schwartzperformance.com/p...x?projectid=36

[Chad-1stGen]

My theory, and it's only a theory, has been this. Mustangs are much more common than Camaros at your typical road course event and have more of a presence in professional racing. The corner carving demographic of Mustang owners were more likely to turn to pre-existing events to run their cars. The track element of pro-touring is then not as impressive to Mustang owners who are into that sort of thing.

Obviously, there are a ton of exceptions that are not described by that and both the Camaro and Mustang have been road raced since they first came out.

Here's a picture from the first real NASA trackday I attended back in '09. Even with the Camaros in AI, CMC, and CMC2, the Camaros at the event could be counted on one hand. Mustangs on the other hand were very well represented, though there were no early examples signed up to run. How does running newer Mustangs relate to fewer PT-ed older Mustangs? Well another theory, a Mustang owner might have a dedicated track car and an old Mustang just to cruise around in. I'm not sure how many people that really applies to though.

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I must ask the question, why are there not more Camaros at ordinary track events? Thankfully, the good members of this site do their part to correct that, but it is odd to me that more Camaros (of any vintage) aren't raced.

You know Bret, I think your theory has a lot of merit. Since lurking around a few different Ford websites I've noticed there is a whole heck of a lot more posting about Track days and vintage racing than you ever see on this site. I think the hardcore Mustang track guys have probably been doing their thing long before Pro-Touring got momentum and are too busy racing to notice lol.

This is more hardcore than most guys on this site are with respect to track days, but wow this Mustang is awesome!!! Its apparently on oldschool vintage bias ply race tires too. Too bad the video cut off when it did and didn't last about 5 more seconds