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    1. #1
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      Full Floating Axle Conversion from Baer Brakes

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      PROBLEM: Traditional flanged-axles employ a single axle-bearing and together they support the weight of the vehicle. When cornering the flanged-axle is levered by lateral forces. Axle deflection, “bowing” or “bending” occurs as lateral forces rise with cornering speeds.

      AFFECTS: “Knock Back” results when the axle flange and the brake rotor to which it is attached deflect causing the rotor to “knock” the pad “back” displacing brake fluid in the caliper piston(s). The driver must then “pump the pedal” to move fluid back into the caliper and re-establish a firm brake pedal.
      • This axle deflection also alters the lateral grip unpredictably resulting in reduced cornering speeds, uneven tire temperatures and wear.
      • The affect on single axle-bearings (even tapered units) found on traditional flanged axles is dramatically decreased bearing life. As bearing wear increases so do knock back and handling concerns.

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      APPLICATIONS AFFECTED:
      Live axle rear ends, Ford 9”, Dana, 10 or 12-bolt, others

      CONCEPT: Eliminate conventional flanged single bearing axle and thus eliminate deflection at the axle flange.
      Employ durable floating axle technology mandatory in many forms of racing and the accepted standard required for heavy-duty truck applications. Do so while packaging this technology for ease of adaptation and serviceability for ultra high performance cars used both on the track and the street.

      GOAL: Eliminate axle deflection to minimize knock back, improve handling and increase bearing life.

      IMPLEMENTATION:
      • The axle must become a drive mechanism only, no longer directly supporting vehicle weight or absorbing cornering loads.
      • The existing flange on the end of the axle tube (or housing) is decapitated and a precision steel spindle is jigged to ensure accuracy in its location before being welded in its place.
      • NOTE: With Baer’s TRACKER Floating Conversion the billet parking brake backing plate, Banksia 1-piece park shoe and actuation hardware would be assembled onto the spindle next.
      • The hub is assembled employing two massive bearings spaced for maximum load capacity.
      • ARP 1/2-20 studs are installed (5 on 4.5”, 4.75” or 5” bolt circles).
      • The rotor plate (on TRACKERs this is also the hat for the park shoe) is then fixed to the hub and in turn to the appropriate rotor from 12” to 15” diameter from .400” to 1.25” thick.
      • The complete rotational assembly now slides in place on the steel spindle, a 2.00” locknut and retainer secure the assembly to the spindle.
      • The flanged axle drive plate made of 4130 chrome moly is then bolted to the hub.
      • Last the double spline axles (31 or 35, not included) are then slid into place and the axle cap is bolted to the spindle.

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      BAER TRACKER Full Floating Axle Conversion

      BENEFITS:
      • Dramatically improved handling through predictable and consistent brake pedal height and tire contact patch.
      • Longer service intervals on rotational parts, bearings and axles.
      • Allows use of virtually any modern alloy wheel. Index is 2.410” diameter, centering rings are used for larger needs.
      • First floating axle conversion with fully integrated park brake assembly (1-piece shoe design has 35% greater break-away-torque than conventional 2-piece shoe configurations).
      • Design is fully ABS compatible
      • Sold three ways;
      · As an option to the full range of Baer Claw® brake system, caliper choices and rotor sizes
      · SS4+ 4-piston (S4) 12 or 13” diameter rotor with park brake (11” diameter version with no park brake)
      · PRO+ 6-piston (6P) 13 or 14” diameter with park brake
      · EXTREME+ 6-piston (6S or 6R) 14, 15 or 16” diameter with park brake
      · Retrofit of most existing Baer Claw® PRO+ or EXTREME+ brake system
      · Outright for use with other manufacturer’s calipers and brackets

      www.baer.com

      Call Baer toll free for details.
      BAER TRACKER Full Floating Axle Conversion
      (888) 310-2692



      PRICING:
      1. Purchased as an upgrade with rear Baer Claw® system; add $1,450 to system price
      2. Upgrade a current (aluminum backing plate style) Baer Claw® PRO+ or EXTREME+ 9” Ford system with Torino bearing and 1-piece park brake shoe; $1,550
      3. TRACKER™ Full Floating Axle Conversion - for adaptation to other Baer applications or other caliper manufacturer’s brake system; complete EXCEPT rotors, radial mount brackets
      and directly related hardware (available separately); $1,650

      INCLUDED IN TRACKER Full Floating Axle Conversion:
      • Compact, precision machined steel spindle (housing end).
      • Billet backing plate with 1-piece park shoe, retainer, actuator and related hardware.
      • Hub assemblies with races, bearings, seals, studs, rotor plate (hat) and related hardware (NOTE: must specify 31 or 35 spline and bolt circle as well as ABS tone ring dimensional preference if required).
      • 4130 hardened steel drive plate and related hardware
      • Options; ABS tone ring (normally provided by the customer).
      • NOT INCLUDED; rotor or caliper related parts normally included in rear Baer systems.
      • NOTE: All remaining Baer components can be purchased separately.
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    2. #2
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      Any one running these yet?
      -Louis
      1967 RS/SS (driver)
      1968 RS/SS (project)

    3. #3
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      Don't think full production units have shipped yet - I am waiting
      Fernando
      1967 PT Camaro
      Project "N-XSS"
      https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=70712

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      Spoke to Baer last week, apparently they've been shipping these since the beginning of the year. Hoping to get some feedback from anyone using them.
      -Louis
      1967 RS/SS (driver)
      1968 RS/SS (project)

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      Quote Originally Posted by LUACE View Post
      Spoke to Baer last week, apparently they've been shipping these since the beginning of the year. Hoping to get some feedback from anyone using them.
      only pre production units to certain people from what I have been told. I have 2 kits on order and one of the very first in line. Rick said about another 2 weeks, waiting on the last parts to go to plating.
      Mike Redpath
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      If that is the case i hope two weeks go by fast, because I NEED MY BAER!
      -Louis
      1967 RS/SS (driver)
      1968 RS/SS (project)

    7. #7
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      I've been curious about this set up myself. Frank, if you see this - Do you have any plans with incorporating this set up in one of your builds, if not, do you want to? May go this route with mine since I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on my rear end. I'll give you a call in the coming weeks to discuss.

      ....pre production units always concern me a little.....
      Dave

      1972 Nova
      1967 RS/SS Camaro - current project

    8. #8
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      Placed my order this weekend. Cant wait to have my Baer!
      -Louis
      1967 RS/SS (driver)
      1968 RS/SS (project)

    9. #9
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      Bearing spread?

      BAERS new floater kit is nice from specs given........but I have recently purchased a kit that seems far stronger in comparison. Dont get me wrong...I think this is a great street kit, but for the serious racer this is not the strongest on the market.

    10. #10
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      What kit did you get? Details?
      Fernando
      1967 PT Camaro
      Project "N-XSS"
      https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=70712

    11. #11
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      I'm interested as well. I'm waiting on Baer so Moser can build my rear end. It's already been over 2 months, and nothing...I'm interested, as my patience are wearing thin. :(
      Dave

      1972 Nova
      1967 RS/SS Camaro - current project

    12. #12
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      Quote Originally Posted by daredvl22 View Post
      I'm interested as well. I'm waiting on Baer so Moser can build my rear end. It's already been over 2 months, and nothing...I'm interested, as my patience are wearing thin. :(
      Only 2 months, I have been waiting since December 2010.

      Greg
      Used to be known as tonner

    13. #13
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      Check out Moser's Circle Track line of 9" floating hub rear axles.
      Steve Hayes
      "Dust Off"
      68 Camaro

      Given sufficient initial acceleration, even pigs can fly!

    14. #14
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      Full floater info

      Quote Originally Posted by killer67 View Post
      What kit did you get? Details?
      Sorry for delay, I just spoke with the manufacturer of this product today. As I already knew from speaking with them upon purchase of mine, that the release date to the public would be Friday July 1st. I was lucky enough to receive my "Floater Rear" prior to the official release date (lots of begging). The manufacturer has asked me to not give details as they will be giving these themselves July 1st here on PT.com! What I can tell you is that this Floater setup is a complete custom piece designed specifically for the serious PT/Autocross enthusiest. I was told that the shelves will be more than stocked and ready for shipment (as to not duplicate Baer's situation). Gotta respect that! Based on what I have seen.....I would wait until July 1st to make a decision on a floater kit.

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      ^ a bit of a tease, doncha think? "look what I got, can't show you pics or details, nor who makes it, but it's better than Baer"...:haha:

      Hope the wait is worth it?
      Ron in SoCal
      69 Camaro in progress
      http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=31246

      Used to be known as flash911

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      Quote Originally Posted by tonner View Post
      Only 2 months, I have been waiting since December 2010.

      Greg
      Wow, you've got me beat. I can't wait this long on parts anymore. At this rate, my car will never be completed. It's too bad, because it looked promising. I'll give it until July 1st. If I don't hear something by then, I'm done. What's another 6 weeks right?
      Dave

      1972 Nova
      1967 RS/SS Camaro - current project

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      Quote Originally Posted by BADDRIDE II View Post
      my "Floater Rear"
      Your hubs look alot like Jason's hubs
      1970 RS/SS350 139K on the clock:
      89 TPI motor w/ 1pc rear seal coupled to a Viper T56 via Mcleod's modular bellhousing w/ hydraulic T/O bearing from the Viper, 12 bolt rear w/ 3.73 gearing, SC&C upper control arms, factory lowers with Delalums, C5 brakes at all four corners, Front Wheels 17x8's with Sumi 255/40/17 and Rear Wheels 17x9's with Sumi 275/40/17.
      Brief description of the work done so far can be found here: http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112454


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      I know, i know......

      Quote Originally Posted by Ron.in.SoCal View Post
      ^ a bit of a tease, doncha think? "look what I got, can't show you pics or details, nor who makes it, but it's better than Baer"...:haha:

      Hope the wait is worth it?
      Believe me, I would like to brag to all about my new purchase, but out of respect/request by this manufacturer........I have a gag order issued as part of a condition of reciving one of these beautiful FLOATER rearends! It makes sense....look at the comments that are surfacing towards Baer who released info and even took deposits a little premature........

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      Quote Originally Posted by BADDRIDE II View Post
      Sorry for delay, I just spoke with the manufacturer of this product today. As I already knew from speaking with them upon purchase of mine, that the release date to the public would be Friday July 1st. I was lucky enough to receive my "Floater Rear" prior to the official release date (lots of begging). The manufacturer has asked me to not give details as they will be giving these themselves July 1st here on PT.com! What I can tell you is that this Floater setup is a complete custom piece designed specifically for the serious PT/Autocross enthusiest. I was told that the shelves will be more than stocked and ready for shipment (as to not duplicate Baer's situation). Gotta respect that! Based on what I have seen.....I would wait until July 1st to make a decision on a floater kit.
      Is this GMRs full floater that they talked about last year?

    20. #20
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      Still waiting, and no light at the end of the tunnel BAER officially SUCK
      Used to be known as tonner

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