Results 1 to 20 of 44
Thread: High vs low RPM
-
10-27-2010 #1Banned
- Join Date
- Dec 2009
- Posts
- 256
High vs low RPM
Hi here is something I have received from year one in regards to the choice of engine for a pro-touring (supercar) build.
Like yourself, I am fan of V8 engines over the 10 and 12 cylinder engines used in many supercars. Big-block V8 engines (454 chevy, 429 ford, 440 dodge, 426 hemi) do not have the RPM range to compete with 12 cylinder competitors like the Diablo and some Ferraris. Horsepower and torque are not the only factors to consider
In racing, everything is a compromise. I’ll speak in general terms first. RPM = top end. A low rpm big block engine takes advantage of torque at the bottom end of the power curve and sacrifices horsepower at the top end. For example, the Viper you mentioned can run away from a Ferrari on short straights. Once the engine reaches its peak, the Viper cannot accelerate any more and will only maintain its speed. Meanwhile, the Ferrari has an additional 2~3k RPM with which to continue accelerating. On a short track, the Ferrari may not be able to catch and overtake the Viper.On a long track though, the Ferrari will catch the Viper and will likely handle better in the turns
Can some clarrify this for me? Why exactly would the ferrari be better off with 3k rpm more when the viper could simply 'shift gear' and continue climbing speed?
Is that in the context of when the car reaches its last gear and then the 3k rpm extra makes some difference which probbably wouldnt even be seen when you got 6 gears to go through???
I need some elaboration on why would someone want more RPM for a circuit car vs a massive ci engine with low rpm that makes same power/speed much lower... I dont understand how rpm works and why you would want it.
A: the bigger the engine, the less maintenance.
B: The bigger the engine, the more economical it would be as a cruising car (a small block made with 600hp will be less efficient than a 512ci engine at the same power because the small block has crazy cams etc while the big 512 is sleeping and hence if driven like a grandpa it would be more efficient and thus more streetfriendly)
C: flatter power curve with the BB and thus acceleration will be better and since its at 600hp top speed should be the same given the correct gearing.
Thats my short understanding, how does more rpm act better in a race sense at the same given power when even in this example of a diablo, he would have to change gears just like someone with a 512ci motor would have to change gears with the difference being the 512ci engine reaching higher speeds sooner
hopefully you get what im trying to get cause im confused!
-
10-27-2010 #2Wow this one that will certainly get the group in a heated debate ;-) LOL....
Everyone will have their own opinions and many will have fact, some misunderstandings and most will certainly outline preferences...
I personally believe you've hit things pretty much with the understanding of rpm, torque, and their respective rolls..... One thing that isn't in you comments or equation is how are you going to put all of this to the ground???
From experience, I built a car that has what I believe is the maxim compromise available on pump gas only to realize that not enough consideration was given to putting it down (the chassis)...
My motor is a 555ci aluminum engine that has a super light rotating mass that swings up easily in excess of 7,500RPM.... The problem I found was the power & torque is overbearing to the suspension & tires.... I haven't been talented enough or smooth enough to put it down (yet LOL) and the biggest peice of advice I can give you is "balance your effort & build"....
You can always build a car with more power,,, and more rpm for top speed,,, but the costs are going to go up cubically (and that's no joke).... So yes you can have both but it's going to cost a fortune to create a balance between that power and what your putting it in ..
(BTW you're going to want to be a hell of a driver if you chase that goal)Carbon Kustoms Limited
A.K.A. Albert from Toronto
10-27-2010 #3Registered User- Join Date
- Jul 2010
- Posts
- 497