wideband A/F, which one?

[whytry]

From everything I can tell, getting my hands on a good wideband O2, would be a good investment. I have been searching around and I have a couple of questions, for all, is you own one or have used one, but just just for tuning and then plugged the bung....

Do you always have a gauge hooked up, or just when you tune it, ie the Innovate LM-1? disconnect and plug the O2 bung when done. Or did you run the full kit LC-1 and XP16 (I think that's right) their hard wire kit and gauge.

Or could I run something like the Autometer gauge with sweep for A/F ratio and their wideband O2 sensor? I know this will not tell me the number like the Innovate kit, but I want to get some ideas.

From what I can tell the Innovate setup looks to be complete for $400, or portable for $350 (but this setup I can't always be monitoring the A/F of my setup. Thoughts or suggestions?

[ProdigyCustoms]

I just got the FAST 170402 dual wide band for the street racer. I will never pull another plug! For nitrous or blower tuning, it is the snizitz. I love it because it monitors both banks. You would be stunned on carb cars the difference from one side to the other. If you want one let me know, I can hook you up.

[Blown353]

Neato. I've heard the new FAST WB02 box was a nice piece.

I've used a couple Innovate setups in the past and was pretty happy with them too, although the response time of the Innovate was definately slower than the MoTeC WB02 that the last chassis dyno shop I went to used-- understandable being there's about a $3700 price difference between the two setups.

[ProdigyCustoms]

I think the FAST is pretty fast. I use it for nitrous tuning and can see the A/F change instanly when I hit the switch. I have never used a A/F meter before for this set up. Always did it by running it till it was near danger, then fatten up. never hurt anything, but this way I feel I never will. At least not from A/F anyway. And it damn sure is easier to play back a run on the box them it is to pull hot spark plugs at the end of the track!

[whytry]

Hey Frank what does one of those setups from FAST run? Is it complete? Do I need to get anything else? Gauge maybe?

[J2speedandcustom]

Don't get the innovative piece of junk...

I prefer the FJO units myself. The Fast is a close second but haven't used the new box.

[ProdigyCustoms]

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[John Monnin]

I know a lot of people using innovative widebands and nobody has had a problem with them, what has your experience with them been? I like the innovate because it because it has a linear output, the Techedge, AEM and Zetronic have non-linear outputs (as default setting) that requires a conversion chart if you datalog the output voltage.

[J2speedandcustom]

I know a lot of people using innovative widebands and nobody has had a problem with them, what has your experience with them been? I like the innovate because it because it has a linear output, the Techedge, AEM and Zetronic have no-linear outputs (as default setting) that requires a conversion chart if you datalog the output voltage.

I should of rephrased that a little better. It's the Bosch sensor that isn't that great. The NTK sensor on the FJO is superior in my opinion.

[andrewb70]

I like the FJO units myself. The offer both a single and dual sensor controller. The great feature about them is that they allow you to use either the Bosch or the NTK sensor.

Andrew

[Turbo Hen]

Hope you guys know the FAST o2 sensors themselves are a LOT OF $$$$$$$$$$ if they fail......

-Carm

[andrewb70]

Hope you guys know the FAST o2 sensors themselves are a LOT OF $$$$$$$$$$ if they fail......

-Carm

Why? The FAST controller uses the Bosch LSU 4 sensor. It should only be about 50 bucks. 60 tops....

Andrew

[Turbo Hen]

Ok my bad.....im thinking they were using the same 02's that came with the DFI they sell (FAST systems)

Those are $400 + to replace.

I guess they're not the same....my bad

[andrewb70]

Ok my bad.....im thinking they were using the same 02's that came with the DFI they sell (FAST systems)

Those are $400 + to replace.

I guess they're not the same....my bad

I am pretty sure that the DFI VII uses the NTK sensor. Even if that is the case, I don't see how they can charge that kind of money for it. FJO sells the NTK sensors for under $200.

Andrew

[Turbo Hen]

They do.....i hang out on the TurboMustangs msg board & those guys are paying out thier @$$ for replacement sensors on FAST DFI systems

Apparantly FAST uses a different plug with 2 extra pins in them that is required to function properly. The replacements are over $400

I use a carb......so i could care less lol

-Carm

[andrewb70]

They do.....i hang out on the TurboMustangs msg board & those guys are paying out thier @$$ for replacement sensors on FAST DFI systems

Apparantly FAST uses a different plug with 2 extra pins in them that is required to function properly. The replacements are over $400

I use a carb......so i could care less lol

-Carm

Are you talking about F.A.S.T., as in owned by Comp Camps? Or are you talking about the Accel DFI VII, as in owned by Mr. Gasket?

Andrew

[Turbo Hen]

im assuming the F.A.S.T. fuel injection system.....not sure who its made by

[camcojb]

I've never lost a FAST wideband O2 in several years of use. That includes running leaded race gas through them.

Jody

[andrewb70]

im assuming the F.A.S.T. fuel injection system.....not sure who its made by

When you making definitive statements about a particular products cost or worth, don't you think it would be a good idea to know exactly what product you are talking about?

Andrew

[andrewb70]

I've never lost a FAST wideband O2 in several years of use. That includes running leaded race gas through them.

Jody

Jody,

I don't doubt that at all. The early FAST and the current FAST XFI system uses the NTK sensor that is very robust. The second post of this discussion mentioned the new FAST dual wideband controller. That unit for sure uses the Bosch LSU4 sensors. I know this because at last years SEMA show I talked ot the product manager. The use of the Bosch sensor is to reduce cost. There is nothing wrong with that.

Andrew