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07-07-2022 #1
418 Ls3 cranks slow
My 418 stroker cranks slow. It always has, it cranks even slower when at operating temp. Slow enough that im surprised it starts at all.
My battery tests good
I replaced the starter because i was suspicious that i had over worked the first one years ago, but no change.
Battery voltage drops to 9.5 while cranking cold, and 8.5 when cranking hot, so there seems to be a massive load here if the battery is good.
I measured voltage at the battery and at the starter while cranking, and the voltage drop is not more than 0.1V. There was a bit of variation over a few tests, so i could get am exact voltage drop, but it doesn't appear to be significant.
So whats left to check?
Timing? What should it be at while cranking?
Do LS engines need starter shims?
Anything else? What am i missing here?
Thanks in advance.Zach
1970 Mach 1 build - Half-Breed (pro-touring.com)
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07-08-2022 #2here is my crank spark map. interestingly when cold it looks like its 9-11 degrees BTDC. seems reasonable. when at operating temp there are a lot of places where it commands -10 degrees...so 10 ATDC? Except for 200 RPM. so if i happen to be cranking there when hot it wants 2-3 degrees BTDC which maybe is too much advance after a good heat soak. I don't know when or why or who set the table up this way, but it seems weird.
I guess I need to do some logging to see what's going on.Zach
1970 Mach 1 build - Half-Breed (pro-touring.com)
07-08-2022 #3Registered User- Join Date
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I had to do some digging as I wondered if your battery was no longer under the hood and is it still behind the passenger seat ?.
Maybe check all of your connections and if you have not already, maybe run a dedicated ground from the battery negative terminal that is the same gauge as what is on the starter for power and then run this dedicated ground cable to the block and where it's attached, remove the paint and add a star washer.
I don't know your wiring setup but I've seen too many times too small of a starter cable run or people ground the battery close to where it's mounted but then do nothing to get this ground path past things like rubber motor mounts and such up front.
Jim
07-08-2022 #4thanks for digging in.
Yes the battery is still behind the passenger seat. Everything is clean tight and there are plenty of engine grounds. I even ran a dedicated ground from chassis to the block near the starter (in addition to the already existing block to chassis ground and heads to chassis grounds). The unibody was sand blasted then seam welded, so there should be clean path for current (compared to a rusty old unibody where many of the spotwelds are suspect).
I can go through it all again, but wouldn't I see significant voltage drop at the starter while cranking if there was poor grounding, or undersized wires? I am seeing pretty close to the same voltage (9.5 V cold, 8.5 V hot) at the battery and at the starter.Zach
1970 Mach 1 build - Half-Breed (pro-touring.com)
07-08-2022 #5