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  1. #1
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    Temper Camaro. '69 with C5 chassis swap

    I quit posting my build on here a long time ago because it was hard to post pictures from my iPad to this board. Now that thats been handled I wanted to start posting again on the message board that basically has kept me in debt most of my adult life lol.



    I'm not going to start all the way back to when I got the car so we'll start at the beginning of Temper 2.0 as the car has gone a different direction that I like much better than 1.0 was. So to start the catch up process lets start with the build plan.

    LSA converted to dry sumo. Goal is around 700 rwhp. Not going crazy with the build just a ported blower, cam, and pulleys. Maybe a little head work, we'll see.
    TR6070 7 speed transmission from a C7 Z06 with cooler.
    C6 Z06 rear diff. with cooler.
    Anvil carbon everything
    C6 dash swap with custom interior
    Infinity Box for the chassis controls
    ZR1 carbon brakes
    Boze Forged custom wheels in a ZR1 style.
    Wide body
    6th gen Camaro roof
    Body side vents for the brakes
    Carbon fiber parts, interior, door panels, bumper, ect.
    Vintage Air HVAC

    Weight goal 3100lbs, 50/50 weight distribution.

    So thats the main items. Lets start with the car now. In order to stuff a C5/6 frame into a '69 Camaro it took a lot of measuring. I was able to luck out and found that the upper pinch welds on the outer rockers measure the same as the inner side of the Corvette frame. Figuring out that I had to make the Vette chassis 3.5" longer to match the Camaro led me to buying 2 wrecked frames to join them together. To replace the outer frame rails I went with 2x4 square tube and modified it to fit into the Camaro's outer rocker. This left the bottom of the rocker to be the new floor support as I kept the fiberglass/wood floors from the vette.

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    Putting the two together after blasting and epoxy was kinda like sliding a match box together.

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    This is where the car sits for about a year and a half as I lost my shop space. I started working at another dealer this year and they let me work on the car. While I couldn't work on the car I was able to do some small projects like build the bumper. I made the bumper before the car was mothballed so I just had to finish it. After it was all body worked and painted I made a mold and then a carbon bumper for it.

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    Sorry, I messed up the pictures. We should be good from here on out though.

    I needed to add more gauges to my car and the C6 bezel was a perfect spot since I wasn't using the buttons here.







    I also needed a cluster. Using the C6 stock cluster I cut it up. I designed a layout kinda like the vette and used a t shirt and resin to get a base. Then it got body worked and wrapped in carbon as well.






    I also did the same with the console. Put in a double din radio frame, HVAC controls, and my power window switches.




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    Starting back to work on the car I went after the firewall. It was tricky because I had to match the stock Vette firewall for the brakes, steering, and slave and tie the two cars together.












    While I though about how I wanted to proceed on the firewall from here I took a break from it and went to work on the trunk tin work. I started with the wheel tubs. It was also my first time using an english wheel, I was very happy with how all the metal work came out.








    I'll continue with the rest later. Lunch time.
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    Wow you have some talent and ambition! Keep it up!

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    Ok lets pick back up. Somewhere around the time from the trunk metal to the firewall I knocked out the seat mounts. Because I made the frame longer the stock seat mounts didn't line up anymore and needed moved. I didn't like the sheet metal mounts bonded to the floors in terms of strength so I made them out of 1x2" tube with those all thread nuts welded in to bolt the seats down. I then got the floors cut to fit and bonded them together for a stock appearance. They will be wrapped in carbon to give them a little more strength and not crack.






    With the seat mounts done I measured for rear wheels. I wasn't happy with only being able to fit a 295 tire on a 20x10 on the back of my car so I decided it needed to be a wide body. I got 2 new quarters and went to work with my shrinker getting some bulge out of them. This gained me just a touch over 2" per side.






    With the outer part figured out I needed the outer tubs to match the width. This was a lot of bead rolling and shrinker work to make happen and match the body lines of the Camaro.














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    I was recovering from a cold and really not in the mood to cut metal or weld it so I did some other small odd end things like check the dash fitment, add LED turn signals to my Anvil carbon mirrors, and mock up a cooling stack.







    A few weeks ago I got my oil tank for the dry sump. I found the perfect spot where it would be out of the way, protected, and no loss of foot space. I then built the firewall around that idea and got the tank, breather tank, and HVAC bulkhead mounted there. I'm now able to finish out this side of the firewall and I'm thinking about mounting the washer tank in the outer tulip part on the passenger side.






    Parts have started to roll in as well. The C6 rear sub frame showed up today to be able to bolt up the rear diff. The 2" stainless works headers are here, my C6 ZR1 brakes are here, the transmission is here. The torque tube is supposed to be here tomorrow. In a few weeks I'll be able to bolt it all together and mock it up and see a driveline in my the 2.0 version for the very first time.






    That brings everyone up to speed. I had Ben at Street Rod Designs do the interior rendering and Kris Horton do the exterior. He recently updated the outside so I should have both angles this week. For now here is the new wide body render and my interior render.


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    awesome looking build

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Mc Mahon View Post
    Wow you have some talent and ambition! Keep it up!
    Quote Originally Posted by kochevy67 View Post
    awesome looking build
    Thank you. Looking forward to taking it for a drive.
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    So.. just a bolt in?

    Awesome work! Thanks for the updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILWAXU View Post
    So.. just a bolt in?

    Awesome work! Thanks for the updates.
    Beat to fit, paint to match lol
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    Very nice build. Only bad thing about it is that my own attempts to restomod my camaro seems half assed at best!

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    Wow! Awesome work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewil View Post
    Very nice build. Only bad thing about it is that my own attempts to restomod my camaro seems half assed at best!
    Quote Originally Posted by gd-bh View Post
    Wow! Awesome work!
    Thanks guys.
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    Very nice metal working skills man! Does the torque tube need to be lengthened as well, or did you just move the mounts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryeguy2006a View Post
    Very nice metal working skills man! Does the torque tube need to be lengthened as well, or did you just move the mounts?
    Thank you. Stay tuned for the next update were I address the torque tube and hope my math is right. All the parts are here so we'll find out together lol.
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    Gamel Street Rods can lengthen a torque tube. They did one for my 56 Cameo.

    https://gamelstreetrods.com/torque-tube-modification

    Don
    1969 Camaro - LSA 6L90E AME sub/IRS
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    Oh wow
    1971 chevelle LSA 700hp -

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    Looking good there AJ. Quite a journey there. The extra work of widebodying the back is definitely worth the effort on a build of this level.
    Carbon fiber overlay work is looking pretty good too. Will try my hand at someday, Supplier told me I could also use clear surfboard poly resin instead of epoxy for overlay work, which could be a little easier than epoxy to mess with.

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    This is a pretty big update as lots of parts came together for the first time and this is the first time the drive line has been put into the car. Lets start with the stuff I mess with during the week after work. I am running Anvil Phantom marker lamps. I'm not much for having the same thing as everyone else so I converted them to LED.





    So with that out of the way lets get started on Saturdays projects as I had a lot of stuff to test fit. Back story on the large part of this is to make the C5 frame fit into a '69 Camaro I had to make the wheel base 3.5" longer on the Vette frame. That in turn made my torque tube 3.5" to short to fit into the new wheel base and I was going to have my tube made longer. Being I wasn't in a hurry for it I never got that done which worked out best for me. Knowing that the C6 torque tubes are a different length I started to research how long they were. I was also looking into how much longer the TR6060 is because the front pump in it is why the C6 torque tube is a different length as well as the wheel base being different (due to the auto 6 speed being longer was the main reason for that). I found that since early C6 cars came with the T56 and late came with the TR6060 that the early cars had a longer torque tube. The bell housing is also deeper because of the twin disk clutch in the ZR1. I found that some people were able to swap the 7 speed manual into their C5 and C6 cars and its roughly 1 3/4" longer than the T56. So after a lot of math and crunching numbers I was able to figure out that a 2006 C6 Z06 torque tube and bell housing, a C7 Z06 transmission, and a C6 Z06 rear diff. (output shaft is bigger on the Z06 trans than the standard and same with the rear diff.) all linked together came out to 3.61" longer than my C5 stuff. In theory it should fit.



    Also to make this work I needed to swap the rear cradle because of how the transaxle mounted. Here you can see the difference in the bell housing height.






    So now the moment

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    Having the hard stuff done I aligned the car so I know where my wheels were supposed to be so I could measure for rear rims.





    With all of that done I was able to mount the shark fin antenna, check supercharger lid clearance, and test fit the 2" C6 Z06 headers.








    Since I still had some time left in the day I started mock up of the supercharger reservoir

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    This car is going to be amazing...

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