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    VA Install - 1969 Camaro without Fender Removal?

    I have a car with finished bodywork, but I have the motor and trans out for a LS swap. Is it possible to install the Vintage Air SureFit evaporator kit without removing the outer or inner fender? What is the least invasive installation method?

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    Yes it is. Will be easier with the engine removed.

    Don
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    I didn't have to remove my inner/outer fender. I got fancy and used an inline bulkhead. What a PITA it was to route the hoses under the dash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT69Cam View Post
    I didn't have to remove my inner/outer fender. I got fancy and used an inline bulkhead. What a PITA it was to route the hoses under the dash.
    Do you have more information on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey R. View Post
    Do you have more information on this?
    I had to have custom bend tubes made (several attempts to get it right) from the inline bulkhead under dash to the hoses. Never again will I use an Inline bulkhead. It is extremely tight under the dash with the inline bulkhead. Use the stock VA set-up or another set-up besides the inline. Just my opinion.
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    Use EZ clip hose and the iimuch firewall bulkhead.

    https://www.iimuch.com/products/ac-bulkhead

    Don
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    Run the hoses sideways to the fender , and use a bulkhead if you like, then follow the fenderwell to the side of the cowl and enter there.
    Tracey

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    I'm covering the holes with the DSE panel, just haven't decided yet whether to simply use four grommets or something else. I have the EZ Clip Hose option. Waiting on the VA Alternator bracket since I decided to put the compressor on the PS in my '69. The compressor bracket is here, think I'm going to either paint or powder coat, although I have a friend with a CNC plasma cutting table who has offered to dupe the steel VA brackets in billet for me, and if I want, he can cut in a bowtie on each side. I'll probably go with chrome or billet pulleys if I do that.

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    The VA brackets look crazy wide in this shot, but I've seen a picture of them in a Camaro... doesn't look that bad. I just can't swing the money for a serpentine setup right now.
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    If I rememeber VA has a cap that covers the blower motor hole and comes with 4 smaller holes and gromets iam not a fan of bulkhead conectors more fitting to leak from !

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    Quote Originally Posted by kush69 View Post
    If I rememeber VA has a cap that covers the blower motor hole and comes with 4 smaller holes and gromets iam not a fan of bulkhead conectors more fitting to leak from !
    Hey Kush... Thanks for reminding me, I have to go to the garage and check the boxes. That iimuch one is gorgeous but $150?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldTimer View Post
    I'm covering the holes with the DSE panel, just haven't decided yet whether to simply use four grommets or something else. I have the EZ Clip Hose option. Waiting on the VA Alternator bracket since I decided to put the compressor on the PS in my '69. The compressor bracket is here, think I'm going to either paint or powder coat, although I have a friend with a CNC plasma cutting table who has offered to dupe the steel VA brackets in billet for me, and if I want, he can cut in a bowtie on each side. I'll probably go with chrome or billet pulleys if I do that.

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    The VA brackets look crazy wide in this shot, but I've seen a picture of them in a Camaro... doesn't look that bad. I just can't swing the money for a serpentine setup right now.
    I hope those brackets aren’t as flimsy as they look....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhutton View Post
    Yes it is. Will be easier with the engine removed.

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    You'll need a ton of patience and be a bit of a contortionist to get the old blower motor and housing out without removing the fender and inner fender. The fact that you have the engine out will definitely help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhutton View Post
    Use EZ clip hose and the iimuch firewall bulkhead.

    https://www.iimuch.com/products/ac-bulkhead

    Don

    This is the best way for sure. If you use a bulkhead you double the amount of fittings and also doubling the risk of any leaks. EZ clips make assembling the lines easy and you can make sure the fittings are clocked the way you need them. I guess you could still use the Vintage Air blower motor block off to route your lines through in order to save a few bucks.

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    Also, look at the bottom photo from DT69Cam. The heater line shut off valve is mounted and plumbed on the unit instead of in the engine compartment. That's much cleaner since it's hidden. Most guys will route their hoses out from the firewall and over the inner fender between the outer fender in order to keep the compartment clean. You wouldn't want that shut off valve mounted somewhere in there, impossible to get to once everything's assembled!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhutton View Post
    I hope those brackets aren’t as flimsy as they look....

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    Here's what it looks like installed (by another VA bracket user) Don. They don't look much different (from a sturdiness point of view) than those used by Chevy IIRC. I suppose that if I have my buddy make dupes, I can also look at making the wall thickness 5/16" or maybe 3/8" and cut down the spacers. Just have to make sure the belts wind up in the same spot. Will probably go with billet pulleys to ensure trueness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldTimer View Post
    Here's what it looks like installed (by another VA bracket user) Don. They don't look much different (from a sturdiness point of view) than those used by Chevy IIRC. I suppose that if I have my buddy make dupes, I can also look at making the wall thickness 5/16" or maybe 3/8" and cut down the spacers. Just have to make sure the belts wind up in the same spot. Will probably go with billet pulleys to ensure trueness.

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    They look better from that angle.

    Don
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    I was able to do it, but not the cleanest install:

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    I've been on the fence on fender removal, decided that if I can get some help it'd be the better way to go. So I'm holding off until I can get a couple of extra hands to help me remove the hood and fender, and as Don pointed out, I ordered my kit with the EZ-Clip hoses so I might just bite the bullet and and go with the Ilmuch pass-thru.



    Right now I've got other issues... trying to find a good eFan setup that will fit between a radiator and my serpentine setup. I just didn't like the looks of those huge VA brackets and belts, so I went serpentine which presents its own problems. I'll save that for another thread.
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