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  1. #1
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    Selection of the steering box

    Hello guys!
    I am looking for a solution with power steering box and steering pump for my 1971 442 Olds clone.
    Reading the forum, I realized that there are several solutions: Turn one, Lee, Delphi, steering box from Jeep and from Nascar cars.
    Please share your experience: which option is the best?
    And which steering pump is better to use?



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    I went with the Borgeson 12.7:1 box. Awesome piece for the money. Absolutely zero play on center.

    However, for best results, I'd also upgrade to their U-joint steering shaft as well...

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    Is the car primarily being used primarily for street driving? Or do you plan to do more track events?

    On our street builds, we've been using the Borgeson steering boxes (12.7:1 ratio) and been extremely happy. I have one on my Firebird and it has fantastic driving characteristics (and when I want to get a little spirited, it's more than capable of that). https://www.ridetech.com/products/st...-steering-box/

    On the track oriented biulds, we see/use alot of the Turn One boxes. They have the option to run either the 12.7:1 ratio or a 10:1. https://www.ridetech.com/products/st...-steering-box/

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    At UMI we use and prefer the Turn One gears.

    12.7:1 is most popular for street performance use.
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    I love the turn one box. I balked at the price years ago, but after driving one with that box, I ordered it the next day. I previously had an iroc box in the car.
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    Best of the best is Turn One. If your on a budget the jeep box is where it is at. I have been through stock, a jeep box, 12-1, 10-1, 8-1 turn one boxes. They are all huge gains over the other as long as the end use is considered.
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    Thank you all for the answers!
    It seems Turn One is the best choice. II think I'll buy this one: https://www.turnone-steering.com/col...formance-model

    But I have several questions:
    1) As I see Turn One is custom-built to order and it's a double-edged sword. It turns out that everything is very dependent on the specific employee who will build the box for me.
    Did they have quality problems and did anyone come across defective boxes? I know that they have a guarantee, but I live in Russia. Logistic cost of return will be commensurate with the cost of the new box
    2) Which steering pump is right for Turn One box, and what additional parts will I need to put on my 1971 Olds?

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    I recently pulled the box in my 1970 Nova and sent it to BenchWorks in Arizona (based on a rec from this site). They upped the ratio to 12:1 and I love it. Definitely not too tight. They also gave it a tighter/direct feel.

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    I have used 3 of the Lee boxes on my performance cars and have used 2 of Bench Works on daily driver cars. The Bench Works box works perfect for daily drivers!!
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    Turn one.
    Spend the cash,or find a used one on ebay.
    The best gear box you can get.
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    69 el Camino SC&C Stage III.

    Lee 14:1, 800 series with a 30 pound valve. Grant 13" steering wheel..

    Going down the road it feeds back like a manual box, after a turn, the steering wheel spins back to center super fast but parking is easy and the ratio is fast. I prefer 14:1 on the street, it makes those long highway drives more comfortable. I like to run 8 degrees of positive caster, 1 degree of negative camber with a very slight toe out. This is the box to do it with on the street. Out roads here in Western Pa are much like a road race course..

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    I'm using the Jeep steering box. Very happy with the results. It's inexpensive and feels nice and tight and responsive. One thing i did run into though is that I had problems with the brass inserts not seating well in the steering box ports and leaking. I went with the adapter fitting and haven't had a problem since. Id say for cruising, corner carving and some infrequent competition stuff the jeep box is more than enough.

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    I see Turn One offers a 10:1 ratio. I wonder what that would be like on the street?

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    what makes the turn one so much better than the lee or borgeson?
    my only real experience is with a zq8 box

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrendSetter View Post
    what makes the turn one so much better than the lee or borgeson?
    my only real experience is with a zq8 box
    I'd like to know this as well. My 69 is a manual and I need power steering, damn shoulders are killing me. I'm okay with a 800 box if you can really tell the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeWhite View Post
    I'd like to know this as well. My 69 is a manual and I need power steering, damn shoulders are killing me. I'm okay with a 800 box if you can really tell the difference.
    I daily drive an 05 tahoe,and that's the closest way of describing how the dephi boxes feel.
    Tahoe's have the rack and pinion valving boxes,except they have different mounting
    the turn one boxes are special in terms of how they mount,and internally,ratios.
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    the reality is that there is only so much that you can do to a steering box, names can be thrown left and right the bottom line is that just throwing names without details is just that, what style box is being referred to? we use The PT700 as a budget box call it a super Jeep box, and it's priced equal to the new imports and are available as a direct replacement, we also have 670 boxes in 12.7:1, 10:1 and 8:1, the 670 box does need metric O-ring fittings and an adapter rag joint for pre-78 cars and is 6 # lighter than a 700/800 box, the 670 box is very nice R&P servo, tight on center feel.
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    I talked to a guy who knows Lee and he told me the whole process that they go through to blueprint one of there boxes. Wow, its a lot of work done by special people who have that touch to the work..
    I have the Lee 800, three ear, 14:1, with a 30 lb valve and a Grant 12.5" steering wheel because I like a heavy feel and a fast positive snap back. I am in halfway decent shape from working construction my whole life but I did have to add 200 push ups to my weekly work out routine after installing this box so I could handle it more comfortably..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrendSetter View Post
    what makes the turn one so much better than the lee or borgeson?
    my only real experience is with a zq8 box
    I don't know that any of the builders you list is better or worse than the others. I've personally bought 2 steering boxes from Lee, back when he still owned it. I actually spoke to him in both cases, described the car and what I wanted, and he made suggestions about ratio and actuation force. In both cases, I heeded his advice and am well pleased with the results. Both are 800 boxes.

    Call any of themdescribe your situation, and ask for input
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