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    Quote Originally Posted by MadGoat View Post
    I can't say that is the case here... the 1/4 panel after being re-cleared the first time, was then re-sanded with the driver door and both had clear applied to see if it would then match. And it did not change the door hue as seen in the initial two tone pic.
    That would not change the interface between the original clear and the new clear....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhutton View Post
    That would not change the interface between the original clear and the new clear....

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    Well somehow it did on the whole back half of the car.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadGoat View Post
    Well somehow it did on the whole back half of the car.......
    I think you missed my point. The interface between the original clear and new clear was affected. It’s different on the door due to differences in the way the original clear was sanded before it was cleared. Piling on more and more clear will never fix it imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhutton View Post
    I think you missed my point. The interface between the original clear and new clear was affected. It’s different on the door due to differences in the way the original clear was sanded before it was cleared. Piling on more and more clear will never fix it imho.

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    Thanks for these replies Don.

    But I don't think anything special or different was done between the back half and door. 1000 grit and that was it. Pretty basic in my eyes. Knock it down some and clear.

    And when the door was re-cleared to try and match the back, the 1/4 panel was also sanded the same way and recleared with the door. And nothing changed on the door.

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    Curious if you were there to personally see all of this work and experimentation being performed, every step of it.

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    Well, in parts I saw it getting done and received updates as it was being done. Can't see behind the booths doors though when spraying. One person brought up the idea of when the small area on the roof was shot with color, perhaps downdraft in the booth got over spray on the back half of the car (if it was for some reason uncovered/unmasked) and that caused it all to turn out like it did. Highly unlikely, but a thought.

    It is a 1 owner shop and 1 painter. They shot the car originally, know the car, and whatnot. But this is new to them (and local PPG reps) too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadGoat View Post
    Well, in parts I saw it getting done and received updates as it was being done. Can't see behind the booths doors though when spraying. One person brought up the idea of when the small area on the roof was shot with color, perhaps downdraft in the booth got over spray on the back half of the car (if it was for some reason uncovered/unmasked) and that caused it all to turn out like it did. Highly unlikely, but a thought.

    It is a 1 owner shop and 1 painter. They shot the car originally, know the car, and whatnot. But this is new to them (and local PPG reps) too.

    I am just seeing this thread and reading through it. I see it has been several weeks. Has there been any resolution to it? I have a few thoughts, but won't bother getting back into it if it has all been figured out.

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    You can't hardly blend a metallic without have a shadow if your shooting over existing clear. I bet the entire back half got a dust coat trying to blend the roof in. The fogging will stand the metallic on edge and make it more vibrant in the sun. That is why it doesn't match. BS on the clear causing the issue.
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    Well, both doors were re-cleared the same as the back half was to see if the clearcoat would cause this as I thought perhaps it did on the 1/4's. But the clear, as you suggested, did nothing to change the color on the doors.

    Sooooo.....the whole car was sanded and reshot with 3 coats of PPG DBC and then 3 coats of clear --- but no sealer was used.

    The same effect that was there is still there on the back half to the doors. Top industry reps are saying the effect of flop is like what you see on the new Camaro 1/4's.

    GM, I was informed, even has a bulletin out on the new Camaro (2009+) cars and how customers don't like the flop on the 1/4's to the doors.

    This 1st gen F-body has the same thing going on. My gut wants to say when the car was originally painted after being stripped, the back half was re-shot for whatever reason so now there is more color on the 1/4's. Thus causing the deep swimming pool effect you see there.

    But the shop swears that the car was shot all at once 4 years ago.

    So it is how it is.

    And by the way, here is that GM bulletin every paint rep refers me to saying this is what is going on with this car:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadGoat View Post
    Well, both doors were re-cleared the same as the back half was to see if the clearcoat would cause this as I thought perhaps it did on the 1/4's. But the clear, as you suggested, did nothing to change the color on the doors.

    Sooooo.....the whole car was sanded and reshot with 3 coats of PPG DBC and then 3 coats of clear --- but no sealer was used.

    The same effect that was there is still there on the back half to the doors. Top industry reps are saying the effect of flop is like what you see on the new Camaro 1/4's.

    GM, I was informed, even has a bulletin out on the new Camaro (2009+) cars and how customers don't like the flop on the 1/4's to the doors.

    This 1st gen F-body has the same thing going on. My gut wants to say when the car was originally painted after being stripped, the back half was re-shot for whatever reason so now there is more color on the 1/4's. Thus causing the deep swimming pool effect you see there.

    But the shop swears that the car was shot all at once 4 years ago.

    So it is how it is.

    And by the way, here is that GM bulletin every paint rep refers me to saying this is what is going on with this car:
    I'm fully aware of the color shift of a metallic panel at a different angle. You said it wasn't like this before, so I ignored that fact.
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    Probably not the fix your looking for but none the less this will work. 1). Go back and block sand the entire car and don't be afraid to take off a little paint. 2). spray a cover coat of base coat on the car. 3). Clear the car and then cut and buff. Problem solved..


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