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    1. #21
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      I apparently need to do more research. I was thinking a 4th gen firebird cluster for my 68.

      What is CAN? Is that a style of connection?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Barrrf View Post
      I've got a termi x on the way currently. Shouldn't take too long to get hooked up and fired up. I'll give my review on it asap.

      I'll say this about gauges. Any aftermarket gauge will work for nearly anything you put under the hood as long as you have sensor locations. It's kind of like a double check anyways. So the gauges operate independently of the ecu. Ideal? No. But it works great in my car.
      I was refering to guages that will work off of the termi X pcm vs having to have additional sensors everywhere.


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      CAN is control area network. Google it. It's complicated. Holley has it's own CAN protocol and it is not compatible with GM CAN. If you want nice guages in your Firebird, see if Dakota Digital makes any, as they have the means to read Holley CAN and display the data.

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      Quote Originally Posted by andrewb70 View Post
      CAN is control area network. Google it. It's complicated. Holley has it's own CAN protocol and it is not compatible with GM CAN. If you want nice guages in your Firebird, see if Dakota Digital makes any, as they have the means to read Holley CAN and display the data.

      Andrew
      Thanks for the info. I have been looking at the Dakota digitals also. Thats good to know!

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    4. #24
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      Quote Originally Posted by Guado1 View Post
      I apparently need to do more research. I was thinking a 4th gen firebird cluster for my 68.

      What is CAN? Is that a style of connection?

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      I was refering to guages that will work off of the termi X pcm vs having to have additional sensors everywhere.
      I think its only compatible with its 7" digital dash currently. Not sure on that.
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    5. #25
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      Quote Originally Posted by Barrrf View Post
      I think its only compatible with its 7" digital dash currently. Not sure on that.
      Support for the 7" and 12" dash is coming very soon. Next firmware release.

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    6. #26
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      In case you were wondering the size difference between the X Max and a Gen 3 controller.........also, they say you need a 2" hole in the firewall to pass cables through if you plan on mounting the ECU inside the passenger compartment. I say it would have to be quite a bit bigger than that. I opted to mount on the fender tub. All cables could use about 6 more inches in length on the main harness and trans harness. Others, not sure yet.

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    7. #27
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      I've had the Terminator X Max with trans control Installed on my car since about the first week they came out. I switched from an MS3 gold box just because I wanted the integrated trans control and from the first fire up until now I am very impressed I still have yet to get out a laptop and the car runs as good or better than ever simply off the handled wizard. Eventually I'll get on the laptop and play around with boost control and pwm outputs for my fuel system and fans but just looking through the software it sure is nice and user friendly. Well worth the money IMO.

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      Quote Originally Posted by sodak65 View Post
      I've had the Terminator X Max with trans control Installed on my car since about the first week they came out. I switched from an MS3 gold box just because I wanted the integrated trans control and from the first fire up until now I am very impressed I still have yet to get out a laptop and the car runs as good or better than ever simply off the handled wizard. Eventually I'll get on the laptop and play around with boost control and pwm outputs for my fuel system and fans but just looking through the software it sure is nice and user friendly. Well worth the money IMO.
      Great feedback. Based on your experience with the Holley, would you say it’ll need a professional tuner to go through it, or is it capable enough by itself?

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      If a person fallows the directions and know what sensors they have and get the info plugged int correctly I think most people could plug it in fire it and forget it. If you know and understand your fuel and timing maps its very easy to adjust on your own. It's a great system so far.

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      7" dash firmware went live about an hour ago

      https://www.holley.com/support/resou...Fuel_Injection
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    11. #31
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      Sooooo, Im wiring this up (plugging in connectors mostly) but like, what do I do with the alternator? I unplugged the original harness from the alt, the Terminator X has nothing that goes to the alt. Its a DR44G alternator and was assuming it required at least one of those ires for excitation?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Barrrf View Post
      Sooooo, Im wiring this up (plugging in connectors mostly) but like, what do I do with the alternator? I unplugged the original harness from the alt, the Terminator X has nothing that goes to the alt. Its a DR44G alternator and was assuming it required at least one of those ires for excitation?
      Hey Bart,

      Depending on what accessories you're using, I would either replace that alternator with an older 4 pin connector alternator or have a local alternator shop convert it.

      The 2 pin alternator use a very sophisticated control strategy and a pwm+ signal from the ECU. The X can do the strategy, but it lacks the PWM+ outputs to do it.

      The older 4 pin alternators work very well. The L terminal needs to go to a switched 12+ volt source, through a resister. Holley sells the pigtail with the resister already installed, PN 197-400. I would also wire the S terminal on the 4 pin connector and route that to the pain power distribution point in the whole system. Essentially the point where you're likely to see the most voltage drop. Once the alternator sees the drop, it will boost output. Work great and don't need the ECU.

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    13. #33
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      For those interested, I just made a video (part 1) covering the basics of the Terminator X software.



      If you find it useful, please like and subscribe and I will make more.

      Andrew
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    14. #34
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      Quote Originally Posted by andrewb70 View Post
      Hey Bart,

      Depending on what accessories you're using, I would either replace that alternator with an older 4 pin connector alternator or have a local alternator shop convert it.

      The 2 pin alternator use a very sophisticated control strategy and a pwm+ signal from the ECU. The X can do the strategy, but it lacks the PWM+ outputs to do it.

      The older 4 pin alternators work very well. The L terminal needs to go to a switched 12+ volt source, through a resister. Holley sells the pigtail with the resister already installed, PN 197-400. I would also wire the S terminal on the 4 pin connector and route that to the pain power distribution point in the whole system. Essentially the point where you're likely to see the most voltage drop. Once the alternator sees the drop, it will boost output. Work great and don't need the ECU.

      Andrew
      Thanks for the help. I read that the dr44g will default to 13.8 if the signal wires aren't hooked up. I also found this https://alternatorparts.com/ad244-se...regulator.html

      That's a couple more options for someone who isn't ready to buy another alt. I know the dr44g fits in my application so I'm going to run it unwired until I figure out which others are the same size and buy another.
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    15. #35
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      Quote Originally Posted by andrewb70 View Post
      For those interested, I just made a video (part 1) covering the basics of the Terminator X software.



      If you find it useful, please like and subscribe and I will make more.

      Andrew
      Good video, Andrew. I'm ready to get mine in and fired up, I've got a lot of learning to do...


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    16. #36
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      Quote Originally Posted by Josh@ridetech View Post
      Good video, Andrew. I'm ready to get mine in and fired up, I've got a lot of learning to do...
      Thanks Josh!

      Part 2 is uploaded. I continue the basic software overview and cover the sensor ICF.



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    17. #37
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      Got mine installed and running finally this weekend. ProTip, if you cant find your OEM injectors in the list in the wizard (and theyre on the HOlley supported injector list) then theyre probably in the other ignition injector list.

      When you go through the wizard, it ask if youre 24x or 58x reluctor, the very next screen is Choose Your Injectors. You'll notice it says 24X tooth ign OEM injector sets at the top of the screen. I clicked around for a bit until I went back and selected 58x and went to the next screen and found my injectors. What I ended up doing was selecting the correct reluctor and picking a random injector. I finished the wizard and didnt start the car. I pulled the SD card out the handheld and went to the laptop and loaded up the file created by the wizard into the Terminator X software and changed to my correct injector type there.
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      Quote Originally Posted by andrewb70 View Post
      For those interested, I just made a video (part 1) covering the basics of the Terminator X software.



      If you find it useful, please like and subscribe and I will make more.

      Andrew
      Thanks for your efforts with the Terminator X, when It first came out, I saw it as the solution for a couple of my projects... with this info and info and parts being provided by Michael Noonan of EFI conection I know the X will do every thing I need

      Joe

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      Just uploaded part 3 video for the Terminator X software.



      In this video I cover some consideration that should be kept in mind when scaling the load and RPM axes for the fuel and spark tables. If you find these videos helpful, please like and subscribe to my YouTube channel.

      Andrew
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    20. #40
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      Opening up this old thread with a question. I see the Terminator X Max will do DBW, but will it do dual DBW TB's if I were to run a crossram manifold like the Edelbrock? If not, I guess I would have to step up to the Dominator.
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