New welding GOGGLES that are supposed to work with TIG welding also!

[MonzaRacer]

https://www.amazon.com/Servore-Darke.../dp/B00LKWLSS0

[TheJDMan]

Interesting!

[rrunner68]

Those have been out for a couple of years now from Miller. I've had mine for about a year. Situational use, but still pretty good to have. Mind the gap between the bottom of the hood and the top of the mask!
https://www.millerwelds.com/safety/g...goggles-m30023

[MonzaRacer]

Yeah Miller has sold them but man they marked them up. When I found out I went to local weld supplier and they said almost $300! I got these and the short mask for like $180ish and paying through work. I just need something I can use under cars as we do a lot of exhaust work now that I am back and my Tweco welding helmet I got used for $50 doesnt cut it. After two times of burning my corneas from flash (tight spots I HAD to ditch helmet and use gun tip as shield) I am done with that if I can keep from it.
And they are supposed to work for tig work so maybe I can start doing some small work at home. My little Thermal Arc tig needs some use. ESAB now owns Thermal Arc/Victor so at least parts will be available.

[raustinss]

Please explain how there isn't room to do exhaust work and wear a proper helmet . Also mig or tig makes no difference to the helmet to "trigger" them ...

[dontlifttoshift]

When you are trying to weld the top of the pipe and you actually want to see it, sometimes it is hard to get your head high enough with the hood on. Another great place for the goggle is cage work.

Mig or Tig absolutely makes a difference. I don't recall the details but in my own experience, better quality hoods do a better job when tig welding.....enough that after buying my Speedglass, I have demoted my Millers to Mig only duty.

You can buy the Miller for damn near the same price at CyberWeld and it comes with a head sock. https://store.cyberweld.com/miwe26.h...SABEgIoO_D_BwE

[raustinss]

No mig or tig doesn't make a difference .....they will still both trip an auto darking helmet , material selection and process will produce a brighter more intense light but, the helmet doesn't know what the is process (mig or tig) nor material as they all will trigger or trip the hemet . Some helmets you can switch to sense the electricity vs the light this is used for welding outside so to not be effected but the sun for example . As for welding the top of a pipe yes good point , most times ive seen someone tack 3 spots around the pipe then weld the majority of it , unbolt or loosen the pipe causing it to drop enough to weld the rest, all with a traditional helmet . This is a new product and people have been welding exhaust forever so yes it can be done but, I do see how the goggles might be better suited.

I have numerous millers and haven't had an issue , my question is what are you using as far as a miller . The digital elite is fantastic for both mig and tig

[MonzaRacer]

No mig or tig doesn't make a difference .....they will still both trip an auto darking helmet , material selection and process will produce a brighter more intense light but, the helmet doesn't know what the is process (mig or tig) nor material as they all will trigger or trip the hemet . Some helmets you can switch to sense the electricity vs the light this is used for welding outside so to not be effected but the sun for example . As for welding the top of a pipe yes good point , most times ive seen someone tack 3 spots around the pipe then weld the majority of it , unbolt or loosen the pipe causing it to drop enough to weld the rest, all with a traditional helmet . This is a new product and people have been welding exhaust forever so yes it can be done but, I do see how the goggles might be better suited.

I have numerous millers and haven't had an issue , my question is what are you using as far as a miller . The digital elite is fantastic for both mig and tig

Tig welding tends to have a more focused arc thus lower end welding helmets MAY not react properly or fast enough. THUS the advertisement in certain brands that they have "bumped" the sensitivity of the light sensors. I have used several different helmets and the lower end ones tend to be spotty on which ones will darken for tig welding. And under cars when your gun tip/arc are shielded by a pipe or muffler or frame and you get a non reaction.
Been there, done that. And my helmet was a trade in possibly because it wasnt sensitive enough or what.
BUT being able to get my head in tight spots is impossible with a full helmet.
So I went looking for goggles, and found these.
So I went pricing and deciding where to buy them. But sales move and change so much around Christmas. I found goggles and face shield separate but the combo ad was gone so I buy separate. Cost me about $10 more but Ill have the basic face shield and goggles. Probably wont use shield as much but goggles will definately be a great help under a car in tough spots as long as the sensitivity and dual sensors work as advertised.
Been doing exhaust for several years and oxy/acetylene torch and goggles are much less cumbersome.
Now if I can get boss to buy a flexible end for mig gun it would make our setup near perfect. Other tech still cant weld clen like me with our 110 Thermal Arc welder. His bird poop welds will never compare to mine. He wants welder to adapt to him not him to welder.
STILL see welders fighting machines. SOME will push the weld some will drag the weld, but some machines will only weld well one way. IE adapting to the welder(machine).

OH well if they work so be it if not Ill sell them to someone else.

[dontlifttoshift]

Opinions vary. I brought no science, it was my own experience. Reaction time matters, and I think that was the issue with suitability for mig or tig as the arc is much more focused and brighter with tig welding it could do more damage in the same amount of time.

My current (get it?) Miller is a Digital Elite.

Yeah, I do not typically weld the pipes on the car but I don't work at an exhaust shop either.

[parsonsj]

Sweet! I'll be snagging a set. I can't tell you how many hundreds of times I've banged my helmet on the car when welding. I wonder if I can get some "close-up viewing" help with the goggles.

I too have a auto-darkening helmet that doesn't trigger properly when TIG welding. I use an auto-darkening helmet for MIG welding, and I usually just "tip my hat" when TIG welding.

[raustinss]

Ok so yes lower end helmets are crap we all know that and let's be honest shouldn't be surprised by such . I will go on a limb and say that actual eye damage is basically zero even still with a lower helmet...i.e i have been in situ's where my Miller has not flipped or I've blocked a sensor or two in the middle of a weld but realize 98 ish percent of the harmful uv is stock blocked regardless ...the only "damage" is you can't see due to the intense bright light. Heck even lots of clear grinding shields will block high 90s percent of uv which makes them great for lots of tacking , blocks the uv then close your eyes , also helps keep your face from hurting at the end of long day of fitting and tacking .
As for mig vs tig yes intensity is different , the helmet still doesn't know any difference there is a minimum amount that is required to trip flip or trigger the helmet . The helmet has no idea what the process or material or intensity is . Either it triggers it or not. My advice as a professional fabricator .... you have 1 set of eyes don't be a twit and trust them to a 50$ bucket ....either spend the cake, borrow or buy a used top quality helmet . For me cost vs options vs quality you can't beat a Miller. Speed glass makes some great helmets but some of their outer lens shields can get quite pricey

[MonzaRacer]

Dont get me wrong my "$50" helmet is a used one from tool truck. Its a Tweco so its not "cheap" its just not a speedglas. Working around exhaust I am not sure I would USE a $300+ helmet. Dang its bad enough to spend the $180ish I have already.
My hope is someone makes a slightly larger set of goggles down the road. Due to size of my face all these tiny lens glasses bug the crap out of me as a tech. Had one pair and they did nothing for me as the didnt protect my eyes in daily life.
And having to start with bifocals makes it worse.
And of course now with Obamacare causing insurance prices to be unreal I dont have insurance. I mean year before O care I could get insurance for $27 a week, NOW they want over $200 a week. YEAH Almost $1000 a month WITH $9000 DEDUCTIBLE last time I was quoted and vision/dental was $2500/$2500.
Heck 2 pair of glasses I have now were paid for by car accident insurance I had back in 2013 and both together were near $1000.
Now I need a third set of lens to insert into the goggles as my glasses wont fit inside. They used to make a small rectangular set of auto darkening goggles like gas welding goggles but havent seen any in years as most went to helmets.

So as for MOST helmets they DO tend to have the designation of for or not for TIG welding. TIG has a smaller arc corona, the arc is more focused. Similar to why thy dont push auto darkening gas welding goggles/helmets. The sensitivity HAS to be higher for TIG. I was even watching a welding dvd one guy sells and he even says if your going to TIG get a helmet rated for it as some just wont react.
My issue was tight spots and intermittent failure to react on MIG.
But hope this opens up people to buying goggles if they want cause so far so good. Now just need a fresh exhaust job to test on!
Ill try to get some pics too.

[raustinss]

Jesus ...why in God's name you yanks don't have a proper health care system like the vast majority of other nations is beyond me ....canadas is basically everything covered and you pay with taxes

[MonzaRacer]

Jesus ...why in God's name you yanks don't have a proper health care system like the vast majority of other nations is beyond me ....canadas is basically everything covered and you pay with taxes

OK so lets visit that. My friend lived and worked in Canada. His wife finds lump in breast. she is told 22-24 months till she gets into oncologist for further attention.
He starts asking about moving temporarily to US, finds out he wont get insurance like US citizens till he finished naturalization. BUT his wife has dual citizenship as she is from down south.
She gets referral to cancer doc in US, at or near Mayo clinic I believe. So turns out his company would transfer him but he needs home here. just over 6 weeks from first diag she is seeing US doctor through his company US insurance. They bought home, company helps employees move around so they "hold "house till it sells, he gets to borrow from retirement to buy new house.
Now his wife goes through treatment, surgery, reconstruction and declared cancer free,,,2 yrs later she gets forwarded letter letting her know her up coming oncologist appointment is set.
You can claim its great healthcare, but I have friends and family in both UK and Canada and you can take the "government ran" healthcare and stuff it. We had great healthcare in USA, Obamacare turned it into a NIGHTMARE. Wasted nearly $4 BILLION paying some shyster CANADIAN website developer to build a worthless and non functional website that took millions more to fix. This then caused 3 times as many people to lose health insurance that it helped.
A friend of mine from London, she had pelvic pains, UK based healthcare wanted to rip out her female reproductive parts. She moves to USA and just got married and had twins and is healthy. Her mother needed a hip due to previous wreck injury (they made her live with shattered hip for 14 yrs then told her she was too old to get a hip)and she had to come to USA for a hip replacement.
You like it you keep it but I would prefer to get back to when I could get insurance for $27 a week. But dang bureaucrats effed that all up. I know of many people who have had to WAIT for government ran healthcare and generally if they could afford it came here and paid cash.
guy who worked with my uncle at Cummins was originally from London and needed heart surgery. Lucky he was fairly well off. His income and taxes are pretty high but was put off. He comes to Florida to visit my uncle, heart gives him issues. My uncle took him to local heart specialist, supposedly near $1million dollar surgery cost him LESS than $100k and he has perfect health now.
Just from what issues my friends and family have had, Ill pass on government ran healthcare. Too dangerous.

[raustinss]

Ok , I'm not talking spiffic cases in just saying for glasses ...also my mom was a nurse ....in Tennessee so I too can bring up a few cases. No our system does have faults but it doesn't cost my anything to go have a broken leg fixed for ex

[raustinss]

Regardless ,off topic . Cheers