View Full Version : I've never heard of a Camaro sell for this amount
96Z28SS
08-16-2005, 11:40 AM
Wow, if Only I had a time machine to go back in time and buy one of these.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-ZL-1-40-1969-Chevrolet-Camaro_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQitemZ45688 64225QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Moose
08-16-2005, 12:39 PM
he has a bid for 775,000 .. thats awesome.. :):):)
If it goes for over a million, I'm selling one of my ZL-1's!
ertoys
08-16-2005, 01:05 PM
LOL, you have to read the comments.
Travis B
08-16-2005, 01:22 PM
Ya the comments are funny! That is a ton of money for a camaro! But it will probably bring it.
KrisHorton
08-16-2005, 02:08 PM
The price isn't too outrageous considering what Yenkos and Baldwin Motion cars are snagging. Well-documented and authenticated Motion cars are in the 400-500K range last I heard.
Kris
ProdigyCustoms
08-16-2005, 02:33 PM
And you guys believe that bid is real money? LOL! And to think I gave one away in 1993, guy won it for $50!
Steve1968LS2
08-16-2005, 02:56 PM
Q: is your price a typo? you are INSANE if not...I offer 50K for the car based on blue book appraisal
A: yes the price is accurate. But look on the bright side, if you could afford this car your wife would probably leave you for buying it. Well, you probably have to check with her before purchasing anything anyways. Good Luck!
:lol:
Bill Howell
08-16-2005, 03:07 PM
The owner is not afraid to price things. I am sure that is his bid and he is testing the water. I could be wrong, but I don't think ZL1's are quite there yet. If someone bits though it will be good news to all that have the more rare cars.
Of course, if it were 1/2 that, I would still have to pass, just too rich for my blood. Great car though for the real players.
Of course, if it were 1/2 that, I would still have to pass
You'd rather spend half that on a "Pro-Tour GTO", huh Bill?!:poke:
Bill Howell
08-16-2005, 04:58 PM
Maybe 1/10 :dunno:
That is if I can get it out of Orlando before Frank finds something else I can not live without. :rolleyes5
nancejd
08-16-2005, 05:06 PM
I don't know, last I heard was that '67 Zs were starting to go for over 100k, and they built 602 of those. The ZL1 is really the king of the hill as far as collectable Camaro's (except for the Z convertible, maybe). They made way more Yenko and Baldwin Motion cars.
redsand
08-16-2005, 06:18 PM
You know what it actually has potential,
minitub it
baer
hotchkis
ls1/2
It could be a decent car........:)
didnt they only make 69 of these cars in 1969 only? thats the car with the aluminum 427 right? sorry i dont know my camaros that well. i do find it funny that the majority of the add is talking about his cross ram intake reproductions
dipren443
08-16-2005, 06:27 PM
You are correct sir. 69 in 69. All aluminum 427 BB. The only thing I can think of right now that one ups this is the ZL1 Vette. Only 2 ever made.
ProdigyCustoms
08-16-2005, 06:32 PM
The seller, Jim, has set a few records for cars and parts, but this is phishing at its purist. Although, some big fish may bite. Even if it doesn't, it still brought a $750K bid right? So it must be worth close to that.
There are a lot of nubies in the market place, and people are inheriting more and more money at a younger age. So he may just land him one.
kman67rsss
08-16-2005, 06:34 PM
honestly, that is a beautiful car but id want no part of it. i dont want a car that i cant drive.
Bill Howell
08-16-2005, 06:35 PM
didnt they only make 69 of these cars in 1969 only? thats the car with the aluminum 427 right? sorry i dont know my camaros that well. i do find it funny that the majority of the add is talking about his cross ram intake reproductions
I think you hit it on the head there WS6. I really don't think he plans to sell the car, however, what a slick way to advertise your wares to your target market. Any collector in this market would probably have a need for the intakes too.
BTW , The 69 Yenko camaros where pretty rare too only 198 total production. Remember, while everyone always knew the ZL 1 was rare, the Yenkos were raced, abused and destroyed for years before some finally decided they were rare too. I wonder in reality how many real Yenkos are really still out there?
Here is an excellent write up with paperwork examples and survivor stories.
http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml
VINs: http://www.copo.com/ZL1-vin.htm
According to this page, only 47 are accounted for.
The Ebay car states it's #40, and it coincides with the VIN listings, which are public.....
Steve1968LS2
08-16-2005, 06:40 PM
You are correct sir. 69 in 69. All aluminum 427 BB. The only thing I can think of right now that one ups this is the ZL1 Vette. Only 2 ever made.
No.. the Convertable Z28 (68?) built by GM tops that.. only 1 of those made..
I've heard he has turned down 1 million bucks for it..
dropit69
08-16-2005, 06:50 PM
hmm 100k for a 67 z i know of one but is without the original motor..wonder what its worth,,hes had it since 71 ...but pretty sure he wont sell it..bill i have a pic out of a mag from years ago where a guy has 6 yenkos in seperate garage doors..and said he had 2 more..total of 8..a defanent dream garage...
Van B
08-16-2005, 07:19 PM
I am surprised Charley hasn't chimed in by now. I would guess he would know what reality is on that car. He may even own one. I would be surprised if the $775,000 bid is real.
steemin
08-16-2005, 08:00 PM
No.. the Convertable Z28 (68?) built by GM tops that.. only 1 of those made..
I've heard he has turned down 1 million bucks for it..
The 68 Z28 convertible (1 of 1)built for GM executive Bill Estes was at the Auburn Kruse Auction last Fall. They are parading this car around the auction circuit to drive traffic to the the auctions. They have done the same thing with other cars. The Batmobile (the original and the newer versions) has been up for auction a number of times.
These cars are not really for sale..
Last Fall at the auction alledgedly all of the paperwork and documentation for the 68 Z28 vert was stolen at the auction. There were signs posted everywhere offering rewards for the return of the paperwork.
I have not heard any more about this since last Fall.
Scott
Charley Lillard
08-16-2005, 08:15 PM
And you guys believe that bid is real money? LOL! And to think I gave one away in 1993, guy won it for $50!
Frank.. I used to own that ZL1 you gave away for 50.00. I got it from the guy that won it. The car was even offered to me a couple weeks ago for alot less than the 700K on the Ebay car and I would rather have the one you gave away.
Maxoctane
08-16-2005, 08:42 PM
whether (sp?) he's really selling that car or not, I'm gonna pick up one of those cross ram intakes! Started thinking I'm a pretty good holley tuner so one of those should put me back in my place....
Roger Poirier
08-16-2005, 09:59 PM
The seller, Jim, has set a few records for cars and parts, but this is phishing at its purist. Although, some big fish may bite. Even if it doesn't, it still brought a $750K bid right? So it must be worth close to that.
There are a lot of nubies in the market place, and people are inheriting more and more money at a younger age. So he may just land him one.
Scott Tieman is MI renowned for correct restorations. He started with doing Pontiacs only. Every screw, nut and bolt are correct. Factory markings and tags, the whole nine yards worth. I believe he is getting an estimated $150,000 to $200,000 on each car he does, depending what parts are needed. His work always wins first prize for original vehicles anywhere they are judged. He has been putting out cars like this for over 10 years now.
However, bidding $750,000 and receiving that same amount is something entirely different! Personally I think it is one ugly looking Camaro. To each his own I guess.
R.P.
4MuscleMachines
08-16-2005, 10:11 PM
Yes he has one bid at 775k, but the bidder knows its no big deal since the reserve is much higher. Heck, I can even bid on it right now at 780k and still know I have no obligation since the reserve is not met and is probably much higher. Jim, the seller, has very nice products and I have purchased from him extensively, especially NOS parts.
On every auction he has he advertises his crossrams. I just bought a perfectly restored console for a 67,with gauges, from him for over 1k. Its going in the closet for about 5yrs and then on eBay or should I say "ePay".
Bill, I was thinking there were only 69 Yenko Camaros made in '69 also (not sure where I gained that info), but Ive seen them go for a small fraction of what this COPO owner is asking. It seems there was a 7,000-mile COPO that went for around $120k not long ago, so I cant see where he arrived at this figure either.
ProdigyCustoms
08-17-2005, 02:37 AM
Frank.. I used to own that ZL1 you gave away for 50.00. I got it from the guy that won it. The car was even offered to me a couple weeks ago for alot less than the 700K on the Ebay car and I would rather have the one you gave away.
Do ya think the old boy that won the ZL1 is kicking himself in the ass, LOL! The old saying about fast nickel, slow dime, comes to mind. Except here it is more like fast nickel, slow dollar!
Steve Chryssos
08-17-2005, 02:42 AM
Don't bid yet. Just wait 30 days or so and a nice fellow from Zimbabwe will be selling that EXACT same car for $7500.
kmcanally
08-17-2005, 03:13 AM
At the 2003 B-J Auction one was not sold at $275,000.
Travis B
08-17-2005, 04:57 AM
Don't bid yet. Just wait 30 days or so and a nice fellow from Zimbabwe will be selling that EXACT same car for $7500.
:lol: :lol:
That is to funny!
Jagarang
08-17-2005, 06:01 AM
You know Frank, I'd rather have what we just found for what we paid than to buy that one! :secret: :ssst:
wantahertzdonut
08-17-2005, 06:38 AM
honestly, that is a beautiful car but id want no part of it. i dont want a car that i cant drive.
My thoughts exactly. No car is worth this much, I don't care how rare it is. Why? Because I can build a car for a mere fraction of the cost and then go beat the rare car left and right. If I had the money, would I buy it? Maybe, but not through ebay. I'd be hagglin'!
But probably not, I hate show cars!
rocketman
08-17-2005, 10:57 AM
i have seen yenko's in the high 800's.to bad my dad keep that copo 69 we had when i was kid.or 69 l-88 corvette.
ProdigyCustoms
08-17-2005, 02:11 PM
i have seen yenko's in the high 800's.to bad my dad keep that copo 69 we had when i was kid.or 69 l-88 corvette.
Do What???? Where? Charlie, it is time to sell my friend!
96Z28SS
08-17-2005, 03:46 PM
okay who here just made the second bid?
ramz69ss
08-17-2005, 04:01 PM
i bet either of the black and gold RS/ZL-1 gm show cars would go for that if not more
KUL FIR CHICK N
08-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Wonder how much he will be paying just for the listing fee......OUCH.
formula
08-17-2005, 05:29 PM
im sorry but i just dont see what is so great about a zl1.
granted that's the whole point, and yes i know the zl1 engine is nothing short of incredible....i guess i've just never been one to pay money to have something that, at the end of the day, is no better than any other built 69 camaro...theres just less of them.
ProdigyCustoms
08-17-2005, 06:11 PM
Wonder how much he will be paying just for the listing fee......OUCH.
$40 to list it, $40 to sell it.
c.schulz
08-17-2005, 06:11 PM
That would be my buddy Jim. The guy is amazing. He always seems to find the most extreme and the most rare.
Last year he sold a ZL1 for $550 I believe and then sold a clone for well over six figures.Ive bought and sold a car from him and he is someone that is on the up and up.
Chris
Steve Chryssos
08-18-2005, 03:10 AM
$40 to list it, $40 to sell it.
Yeah, but I'll bet the I.R.S. is watching.
rocketman
08-18-2005, 08:40 AM
it was last year or the year before at carlise,was the 2nd or 3rd car built with 75 miles.id ont recall the color but it was like a brand new yenko.
kennyd
08-18-2005, 08:58 AM
i think he is trying to raise the bar for this car to go to barrett-jackson, there was a ls6 chevelle on ebay with 27 miles, original miles ,and thats what he was up to . if i had a zl1 i would do the same there is so much money out there right now !
KUL FIR CHICK N
08-18-2005, 07:29 PM
$40 to list it, $40 to sell it.
Where does the $40 come from. I do quite a bit of ebay sales and, although I don't pay much attention to the list fee, I believe its based on the starting bid, and I know I give up 3% of the sale price at the end.
Do you know something I don't on this?
KUL FIR CHICK N
08-18-2005, 07:39 PM
Just looked it up and its damn cheap for the high priced items. Not a bad way to advertise as I bet that is the real goal here.
$4.80 for some huge, targeted marketing, for one week. Its against ebay rules, but he'll probably never get caught.
Basic Fees
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When you list an item on eBay, you're charged an Insertion Fee according to the table below. If the item sells, you are also charged a Final Value Fee. The total cost of selling an item is the Insertion Fee plus the Final Value Fee.
Insertion Fees
Starting or Reserve Price Insertion Fee
$0.01 – $0.99 $0.25
$1.00 – $9.99 $0.35
$10.00 – $24.99 $0.60
$25.00 – $49.99 $1.20
$50.00 – $199.99 $2.40
$200.00 – $499.99 $3.60
$500.00 or more $4.80
Final Value Fees
Closing Price Final Value Fee
Item not sold No Fee
$0.01 – $25.00 5.25% of the closing value
$25.01 – $1,000.00 5.25% of the initial $25.00 ($1.31), plus 2.75% of the remaining closing value balance ($25.01 to $1,000.00)
Over $1,000.01 5.25% of the initial $25.00 ($1.31), plus 2.75% of the initial $25.00 - $1,000.00 ($26.81), plus 1.50% of the remaining closing value balance ($1,000.01 - closing value)
ProdigyCustoms
08-19-2005, 02:30 AM
Vehicles are $40 to list, $40 if they sell.
KUL FIR CHICK N
08-19-2005, 04:50 AM
Good to know. Thanks Frank.
-Ryan
96Z28SS
08-19-2005, 11:47 PM
well looks like its getting some action on the weekend.
there are 12 bids on it. current price $777,000
kmcanally
08-20-2005, 03:49 AM
The best part of this auction is the Q&A taking place....this is great stuff
Q: Jim, Please excuse the person offering 50K, He thought he was in the die cast section. And as far the guy who rather have an F-16 the g-force of cracking the throttle in a F-16 or a ZL-1 would be about the same. The Difference being a person could actually drive the Zl-1 where as Homeland Security might have issues with the F-16. To these guys I'll let you and the others with negative comments in on a well kept secret:.....your right!!!! the Zl-1 offered here isn't worth 777K ... But Jim has to sell it for this price to keep people like you from loading up your brother-in-law "Bubba", a 12 pack of pabst and destroying one of the last PERFECT PIECES OF AMERICAN MUSCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You keep collecting happy meal toys, and Jim will keep perserving history. Anyway Jim, Thanks for a look at a truly amazing car!
Aug-19-05
A: Ray Never have truer words been uttered at anytime in history. Thank you for your comments and humor. I Love it. Jim
Bill Howell
08-20-2005, 06:18 PM
Update:$820,100 and reserve not met yet. Damn! :rolleyes5
rocketrod
08-20-2005, 08:23 PM
Update:$820,100 and reserve not met yet. Damn! :rolleyes5
Ridiculous for just a car.
rocketman
08-20-2005, 10:16 PM
well i heard the latest foose ride,the ridler winner.the guy spent over 2 million,whats the differnce.
nancejd
08-21-2005, 07:01 AM
It's just a supply and demand thing. If you have the cash, why not, it isn't like if you don't buy this car there is going to be another one for sale next week. Think of it this way, the majority of people think we are all crazy for spending what we spend on our 30 year old cars. Why don't we just buy Hondas if it is just a car? Personally, restoring a car isn't my bag, not because of what it costs to buy a restored car, but because I couldn't leave it alone. If I had a ZL1, I'd be thinking about stuffing a 572 into, and if you're gonna do that, why not just buy a plain coupe?
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