non tall afx style spindle?

[bikerman9967]

does anyone other then ats make a non tall spindle. i know you can get their afx spindles that take the c5/c6 hubs and are not a tall spindle. but does anyone else make them? i have tall ball joints on my new a arms and looking into spindle and brake options. thanks

[csouth]

does anyone other then ats make a non tall spindle. i know you can get their afx spindles that take the c5/c6 hubs and are not a tall spindle. but does anyone else make them? i have tall ball joints on my new a arms and looking into spindle and brake options. thanks

ATS makes a factory height spindle also.

[bikerman9967]

I was trying to see if someone other then ats made them

[csouth]

I was trying to see if someone other then ats made them

The only other company around making a spindle the uses the C5/6 bearing is CPP and theirs is tall also. I honestly do not see someone taking the time to develop another spindle for this market. The CPP spindle is cheap and so are stock height ball joints so swapping them out won't be too expensive.

[killer69]

The AFX Stock height (still 7/8 drop) will work perfectly with a tall ball joint. we have some brake packages we can put together with the spindles.
give Roger a call 1-888-467-1625 and he can go throug it with you.
but to answer your other question the only other option is Cpp.

[bikerman9967]

i think i will end up with the stock hight afx spindles. i dont really want to replace brand new ballsjoints. and rather not buy the cpp. does the wilwood kit for afx spindles work well?

[Twentyover]

I don't want to harp on this, but a spindle purchase is a bigger expense than a ball joint purchase- I'd look at getting the advantage you are trying to achieve in the non-consumable part (spindle in this case). That said, it's your money and your decision.

And I'm known among my friends for ignoring my own advice.

I have tossed a set of brand new ball joints on one car beause the better option was a tall ball joint.

[csouth]

Greg, you're right in your thinking. I guess we didn't even think to ask what kind of car? I'm thinking the tall spindles could be an added expense though if he doesn't have UCA's that are designed for those?

[bikerman9967]

im building a pro touring/cruise night 1970 chevelle. money is always on my mind with the project, but i will wait to get what i want for the car if i really want something. i have a stage 4 umi performance suspension with the tall ball joints. i started researching spindles after i got my kit and was looking into running c5/c6 hubs as an option because ats makes a non tall spindle that takes those hubs. id rather not remove brand new ball joints and risk scuffing my tasty new a-arms. id also have to run a different upper conrol arms like stated above. im also a little un-educated with running c5/c6 hubs on a a-body and was just looking into it as a option. i can always run a stock spindle, but its always cool to run something from a vette :firefire:

if im going to run an aftermarket spindle and hub, it looks like ats's AFX stock height is the way to go. am i missing anything else with this? wilwood makes a 6 piston brake set up for the afx spindle, and i wanted to run big front brakes, so i think (catch me if im wrong) this set up should work. does running the afx spindle and c6 hub move the wheel mounting face in/out from stock?

[csouth]

Since you already have the UMI uppers, stock height would be the way to go. I'm not sure about them pushing the wheel mounting surface out further, my wheels were made with these in mind. Maybe Blake can answer? With the ATS you should be able to use Wilwood, OEM or any aftermarket brake for a C5/6 Corvette as long as your wheels can clear the brakes.

[killer69]

there is no Track Width Change with the AFX spindle. the wilwood kit is very good. about the same price as the Baer Pro Plus

[bikerman9967]

is there much of a lead time with the spindles? also, which is the best c5/c6 hub to go with ?

[killer69]

is there much of a lead time with the spindles? also, which is the best c5/c6 hub to go with ?

we will be able to ship Stock height spindle with in a couple weeks. just in the middle of unpacking from our big move.
we supply the spindles with Factory GM hubs. but your question was what is the BEST hub and that answer would be the ZR! hub but that is not required.

[bikerman9967]

How much for the pair of spindles and hubs ?

[rallystyle]

http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=187/category_id=247/home_id=-1/mode=prod/prd187.htm

[bikerman9967]

That price comes with hubs?

[Vortech404]

Unless he wants the ATS spindles with the ZR1 hubs. Not sure how much the ZR1 hub is over the C5 hub.
Might hve to call blake on that one.

[csouth]

That price comes with hubs?

Yes, they come assembled with hubs. You will still need to purchase steering arms.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/afx-1.jpg


Unless he wants the ATS spindles with the ZR1 hubs. Not sure how much the ZR1 hub is over the C5 hub.
Might hve to call blake on that one.

ZR1 hubs might be overkill, but you are right the option is there.

[bikerman9967]

Pretty sweet. I'll be giving them a call soon. I think the zr1 hubs are overkill too for a cruise night car. Thanks everyone

[V8240Z]

Is it possible to run the tall spindle and the tall ball joint or does that lead to issues with the geometry or binding?

[csouth]

I'm pretty sure tall ball joints are only meant to be used with stock height spindles.

[MIKE67]

Be carefull with terms. There are spindles with OE distance between the ball joint tapers and "tall" which raise the upper ball joint taper (same thing as using an OE distance spindle and tall ball joints or doing the Guldstrand mod). This improves the geometry during bump and droop.
There are spindles that move the "spindle" up in relation to the lower ball joint taper. This lowers the ride height of the car without using lowering springs or cutting the coils.
Spindles are available in all combinations. OE distance, OE spindle height. OE distance, raised spindle. Increased distance, OE spindle height. Increased distance, raised spindle.
You should only do one thing to change the upper a-arm angle unless you know what and why you are doing it. i.e. just a "tall" spindle or just tall upper ball joints or just the Guldstrand Mod, not a combination of two or more.
Just to confuse you more, you can also use "tall" lower ball joints to lower the car and change the geometry while using OE spindle height spindles.

[MonzaRacer]

OK for the fun part. basically what your getting with a tall LOWER joint is a lowering of the spindle the hub rides on,,,ie lowering the car over the wheel which will change front CG/rollsteer some. Tall ball joints will move the upper ball joint pivot point in relation to the control arm bushing pivot point and THIS is what makes camber gain. And if your talking stock replacement 4 bolt upper ball joints in your arms, simply remove them, place them on ebay or on here for sale to someone and replace with a good grade OE aftermarket ball joint and get a tall spindle, the benefits out weight the cost factor of two ball joints.
After seeing the issues involved and all, leaving tall lowers in but replacing tall uppers, well buy the expensive spindles once. ALSO if you would ahppen to be out and about and need to replace ball joints in emergency then only thing losing the tall lower joint is that it would raise the front about 1/2" ish when replaced with stock height. It really wouldnt effect handling as much as you think,,,its the upper height that is the "fix" and as for brakes on most DD/Fun drivers dont dispatch using larger Corvette brakes as they can be had off Ebay VERY reasonable and I have seen some of the big 14 in brakes beaten HARD with little ill effects. Only time you MIGHT notice is if you started running track days and still there are several pad/rotor selections that fir Corvette AND stock parts can get you home over a motel room, Fed Ex charges and lost time. This is big reason I am gonna use GM parts over aftermarket.