Baldwin Motion-building 12 new 1969 Camaros

[jimhamptons]

Taken from Camaro boards:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61903

[Jagarang]

I wonder what they'll cost!

Sounds like a great idea...but surely way beyond my means.

[Steve Chryssos]

Welcome to "Let's Make A Deal"

I say we have a little contest and see who comes closest to the published sell price without going over. I'll go first:

$229,500

[Travis B]

I wonder if it will ever happen?

I say $249,599.99

[Bill Howell]

Since I feel Charlie probably has his finger on the pulse, I will wait til he chimes in, then cheat and add $1 to his guess. :lol:

$219,998

[Streetking]

Since I feel Charlie probably has his finger on the pulse, I will wait til he chimes in, then cheat and add $1 to his guess. :lol:

$219,998


$219,999.. :3rd:

SW

[zbugger]

$219,999.. :3rd:

SW
$219,999.01........ :firefire:

[Hartz]

ONE DOLLAR!!!

:lol:

[Ralph LoGrasso]

$325,000.

Funny thing is I just passed by Baldwin Motion on the way to brooklyn the other day to drop off my '68 Camaro. My Dad and I were talking about getting some pics of the place to post. Now it's called "Speed World" or something like that. They added on a couple of bays to what the original BM building was. The original unmolested structure was there up until a few years ago. Just a small white building with two bays. That's pretty crazy the cars they're going to be building. Sounds like a pro-touring car to me? 8 piston calipers. Wow.

[Todds69]

$169,999.69

[KrisHorton]

:evil: Sounds pretty cool.

[rickk]

you no i have never had a 69 camaro . i like the 70 - 73 rs z28 myself .

but the 12 69 camaros will sell for 250 300 thousand ea .

thanks rickk:box:

[shmoov69]

$ 175,000.00
:hand:

[vanzuuk1]

Ralph , the small white building was an airbrush place, I used to airbrush stuff there sometimes.It was run by "gary the local brush" and rosen was his buddy. I still have one original motion sticker left.

[redsand]

If you are all over does my 1$ stand?

[MuscleRodz]

Sounds like greed to me and is jumping on to cash in while he can.

$279K

Mike

[trapin]

Why buy one?

What more can they do to them that The Mule hasn't already done? All you'll be paying for is the name.

And as far as their worth...they'll never be close to the original Baldwin Motion cars because the ones built in '69 are the originals.

This is like GM buying up a bunch of 1987 Buick Regals, painting them black, dropping in a 3.8 with a turbo and reselling them as Grand Nationals.

No thanks. I wouldn't spend my bread on one of these posers.

[Streetking]

Why buy one?

What more can they do to them that The Mule hasn't already done? All you'll be paying for is the name.

And as far as their worth...they'll never be close to the original Baldwin Motion cars because the ones built in '69 are the originals.

This is like GM buying up a bunch of 1987 Buick Regals, painting them black, dropping in a 3.8 with a turbo and reselling them as Grand Nationals.

No thanks. I wouldn't spend my bread on one of these posers.

I agree, interesting concept, but it's never going to be the "original". I also agree they are jumping on the bandwagon to make money..It will help the value of our cars though. The next one will be the General Lee Chargers... :eek:

SW

[BRIAN]

Am I the only one that thought they were gaudy cars? I know the orig cars were super fast but they got pretty tacky looking. I remember in the later 80's they used to be at shows with some pretty wild looking stuff that would make some of the import cars look mild. I am sure they will be quick but I hope somebody gives him a little help in keeping those big wings and spoilers off of the cars.

[madmax]

All that tech... I'm going to go with $289,997.

--Max

[dropit69]

im going with 175,000 ..speaking of the general lee i heard the price of chargers went up by 70% saying if the movie does good they might not have enough money to buy more for a sequel..crazy..wish i had a 69 charger now

[pushrod243]

$169,000.00

Sounds like it might fit

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Ralph , the small white building was an airbrush place, I used to airbrush stuff there sometimes.It was run by "gary the local brush" and rosen was his buddy. I still have one original motion sticker left.


Dirk, That's pretty cool. I didn't realize it was an airbrush place. My cousin Tony (the guy with the black '72 from obi) said if you went in there and talked to the head guy he would give you an original motion sticker. I should have gone a few years back, huh?

The baldwin motion stage 3 cost over $9k if I'm correct in '69. It may have even been as much as 10 or 11k. That's big bucks for 1969, I expect the new ones will be no different.

[JayBird]

$169,069.69

[wantahertzdonut]

$0. They'll have an online raffle!



...I wish

[in2protour]

$1.01 Hee Hee!

[Bigblue73]

Investment? Nope - Pure bragging rights - Hell Yes.
Everyday low price of $199,999.00. minus gas, cigerette lighter and floor mats!

[Steve1968LS2]

Since I feel Charlie probably has his finger on the pulse, I will wait til he chimes in, then cheat and add $1 to his guess. :lol:

$219,998

$219,999 :lmao:


Could be as low as tree-fifdy..

[ALLFAITH]

Much higher, I would suspect 350K and up. Looks like top-level crew and builders from the Press Release I saw. I know Marty Schorr and will try to get him on the Board, when and if he has more information.

Brad

[Dust87ss]

$249,999.99

[wantahertzdonut]

Are these going to be modified Camaros or are they going to be made out of one of those repro kit cars I keep hearing about?

[Steve1968LS2]

I think this is GREAT idea.. we all know that we need MORE '69 Camaros out there.. lol..

A chicken in every pot and a '69 Camaro in every garage.. my new presidential pitch..

[madmax]

If we go with the original approx. 10k sticker for the original '69s, according to the inflation calculator (http://www.westegg.com/inflation/) it should only cost $53,099.60.

...I wish.

--Max

[KrisHorton]

Are these going to be modified Camaros or are they going to be made out of one of those repro kit cars I keep hearing about?

They're going to be modified Camaros, not crate ones.

[Steve1968LS2]

If we go with the original approx. 10k sticker for the original '69s, according to the inflation calculator (http://www.westegg.com/inflation/) it should only cost $53,099.60.

...I wish.

--Max


No new '69 Camaros cost $10k.. more like half that.. for a nicely optioned one :)

[madmax]

What steve just said, because I can't figure out how to use this damn quote system.

Sorry, I should have been more clear... Ralph posted earlier that:


The baldwin motion stage 3 cost over $9k if I'm correct in '69. It may have even been as much as 10 or 11k.

So I took 10k for the original Baldwin stage 3's.

--Max

[Bill Howell]

I agree, interesting concept, but it's never going to be the "original". I also agree they are jumping on the bandwagon to make money..It will help the value of our cars though. The next one will be the General Lee Chargers... :eek:

SW

:lmao: SW,
I have read this post two times now, and somehow I just can not picture you in a General Lee. I am sure though if you had one, it would be cool. :lol:

[ramz69ss]

i find the reaction to the cars a little funny,,,,comparing the the cars to the mule is funny,,saying they are not worth it is funny,saying that they are gaudy is funny,,,,back in 69' they probably said that too,,,,,,,BUT have you seen a motion sell lately,,,i'm sure they would be one of the highest selling camaros ever if they did

if they build these 12 cars in the tradition that they did in 67'-69',,,they will eat the mule's a$$,period,,,,,in 68',speed and supercar mag. tested a phase II not a phase III,,,it did 0-60 in 4.8 sec. and a 1/4 in 11.4,,in street trim,,,,that would beat or keep up with most of the cars on here,at least it would mine,,,,,,maybe they will be poser cars but if they have not sold out,,these will be 12 of the baddest camaros out there on and off the track,,IF they have not sold out

for the record: ss-427 phase III camaros sold for 4,998.95 and had a ZL-1 option for 3000.00 more,,,just think what that gaudy car would be worth now,,if i get that damn time machine dialed in,sign me up for 4 of them

[vanzuuk1]

I would bet they have sold out.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

i find the reaction to the cars a little funny,,,,comparing the the cars to the mule is funny,,saying they are not worth it is funny,saying that they are gaudy is funny,,,,back in 69' they probably said that too,,,,,,,BUT have you seen a motion sell lately,,,i'm sure they would be one of the highest selling camaros ever if they did

if they build these 12 cars in the tradition that they did in 67'-69',,,they will eat the mule's a$$,period,,,,,in 68',speed and supercar mag. tested a phase II not a phase III,,,it did 0-60 in 4.8 sec. and a 1/4 in 11.4,,in street trim,,,,that would beat or keep up with most of the cars on here,at least it would mine,,,,,,maybe they will be poser cars but if they have not sold out,,these will be 12 of the baddest camaros out there on and off the track,,IF they have not sold out

for the record: ss-427 phase III camaros sold for 4,998.95 and had a ZL-1 option for 3000.00 more,,,just think what that gaudy car would be worth now,,if i get that damn time machine dialed in,sign me up for 4 of them


Is that $4998 on top of the base camaro price? I remember reading somewhere that the phase III cost over $9K in '69 and was good for 10s in street trim. Maybe I got bad info.

[ramz69ss]

4998.95 is including the base ss camaro price,,but you could buy a rs-ss and do the phase III make-over and have a lot more money invested,sky was the limit,,,500.00 plus the original motor from the factory got you a L88(12:1) or a L89(11:1),,,not bad,,,the 9k car you are thinking of is the highest optioned phase III camaro(green and white striped rs-ss) ever built that is owned by a guy in brazil,,,,if i remember right it had every option available but the ZL-1 option(none were ever built)
hell they even had a Phase III Z/28 for 4,298.00,,non rs (rs was a 131.65 option)

i hope they have not sold out,,,,the 540 merlin block hopefully is a alum. block,with forced induction(optional) and an all tube chassis,the cars have to be something wicked even if they are on the band wagon

the 11.4 time slip is a base 68' phase II,,redline tires and no headers,,,an optioned out phase III 69' with optional headers and m&h slicks could do high 10s,,maybe

[Bill Howell]

If we go with the original approx. 10k sticker for the original '69s, according to the inflation calculator (http://www.westegg.com/inflation/) it should only cost $53,099.60.

...I wish.

--Max


Yeah, I think there is a little more to it than just inflation. Using the same calcutor, a new $4000 Camaro in 69 would be a tick over $21k now. We all know a like new (not new) one is about double that.
Thanks for the link though, I added it to my favorites. :cool:

[camcojb]

if they build these 12 cars in the tradition that they did in 67'-69',,,they will eat the mule's a$$,period


Explain please! :naughty:

Jody

[Yenkostyle]

My guess would be 169,999.99.

BTW, why does it seem some people are Mark Stielow/Charlie Lillard haters? Makes me wonder if these people have seen first hand how these cars look!?!?!?!?!

[USAZR1]

Can't imagine why. I've met both Mark and Charlie & both are serious enthusiasts of our sport. We're all fortunate to have men like them in our ranks.

[camcojb]

My guess would be 169,999.99.

BTW, why does it seem some people are Mark Stielow/Charlie Lillard haters? Makes me wonder if these people have seen first hand how these cars look!?!?!?!?!


Charley's a jackass, but Mark is pretty cool! :box2: Actually if you defend Mark you'll be labeled a "Stielow leg humper" on this board! :hah: The cars are going to be cool.

Jody

[zbugger]

...Actually if you defend Mark you'll be labeled a "Stielow leg humper" on this board! :hah: ...
What? How come nobody told me about this? Damnit, I gotta get off the leg fetish....

[ramz69ss]

nobody hates charley or mark,,,i don't envy them,nor do i think they don't deserve respect,because they do,,,mark builds sweet cars and charley adds turbos to an already cool car,,,never satisfied,that is why they get my respect

and just because i don't get hot and bothered by the mule does not mean i don't like the car,it is not the baddest car to me,no where close,,,,so when someone builds a car that has ac and a stereo,if people think that it is a waste of time because the mule has it already then all the cars on here are pointless

i have seen the car in person,,i was standing in front of the mule when it parked at the tulsa stop on the power tour,,i also got 3rd degree burns from the heat off that sucker when he opened the hood,,yes,nice stance,nice car,,,i have liked the look ever since 1988 when i saw big red in the mags.,the mule is not the first car to look like that,,,,,as for the reference to kicking the mule's butt(bad choice but oh well),,,,from what i have read,,these cars are built based on what the buyer wants,,,,,,you could have the mule and big red in one car,if that is what you want,,,in the 60's motion built some of the fastest cars out there,,that is the reference to tradition,i made,,,whose to say that in an age of you get what car and option someone else wants you to have,that maybe they are trying to give a select few the option of ordering want you want just like they did in the 60's,,that is cool,,,,these cars with the right buyers could be the baddest camaros ever,at least for now
i made the comments because i don't get the negetive views towards motion building these cars,,,,,the mule is just a badder version of the twister,,maybe the motion cars will be a badder version of the mule,,,,then i guess some of you will have a new leg to hump(joke)

[trapin]

I think some of your comments might be directed toward some of my comments. Allow me to take a less negative approach and re-visit this.

When I heard that Balwin Motion was going to buy 12 '69 Camaros and rebuild them into Phase III's and sell them to the general public, I guess I was the only one that thought this sounded kinda strange. As I stated in a previous response...this is like GM buying up a bunch of '87 Buick Regals, spraying them black, dropping in a 3.8 turbo and re-selling them to the general public as Grand Nationals. Like this would be our chance to own a brand new Grand National if we missed the oppurtunity 17 years ago.

I don't mean to come down so hard on the idea of Baldwin Motion trying to re-visit their past, and I'm certainly not calling out anyone who builds a Big Red or a Mule as a poser or a copy cat.

My beef is...you're going to drop $200,000 on a car that is basically a 'poser' of it's distant relative. The old Baldwin Motion cars are special because they were a technological achievement for that era. These new cars will not have the same aura to them because they'll be built in 2005 which really wouldn't put them in the same class as the originals thus not warrenting that kind of sticker price. The only way they could warrent it would be to make the cars like a Big Red or a Mule. That's all I'm saying. Who knows? Maybe they won't cost that much and my whole rant will be a mute point.

I would hate to think that someone would drop that kind of coin on a stock suspension '69 Camaro with an aluminum 427 and some fancy paint stripes and spoilers just because it happens to say Balwin Motion on it. But if they want to....I guess it's a free country.

Since then, however, I have been told that these cars are going to not only be like a Mule or Big Red but actually eclipse them. This I am intrigued to see and it would definitely justify any $200,000+ price tag.

I'm a little more optimistic now. It's all good. :smoke:

[MuscleRodz]

Since then, however, I have been told that these cars are going to not only be like a Mule or Big Red but actually eclipse them. This I am intrigued to see and it would definitely justify any $200,000+ price tag.

I'm a little more optimistic now. It's all good. :smoke:
I don't think they can be eclipsed but outdone is possible. Both cars set the bar in their respective fields. Motion cars were nothing but a dragstip car. Don't get me wrong, they were king in their day of GM musclecars but it doesn't even fall in the same league.

"BIG RED" is just insane, a street legal race car meant to do one thing and do it well. What makes the "Mule" king of its hill is not its looks. The car has been meticulously thought out and every thing seems to work together. You listen to anyone that has rode in it and they all say the same thing, the quality of the ride and handling is amazing. That is what sets the "Mule". Can it be topped, sure. But not by a car being built to appeal to people that money is no object and are buying it for the name.

Mike

[Ralph LoGrasso]

4998.95 is including the base ss camaro price,,but you could buy a rs-ss and do the phase III make-over and have a lot more money invested,sky was the limit,,,500.00 plus the original motor from the factory got you a L88(12:1) or a L89(11:1),,,not bad,,,the 9k car you are thinking of is the highest optioned phase III camaro(green and white striped rs-ss) ever built that is owned by a guy in brazil,,,,if i remember right it had every option available but the ZL-1 option(none were ever built)
hell they even had a Phase III Z/28 for 4,298.00,,non rs (rs was a 131.65 option)

i hope they have not sold out,,,,the 540 merlin block hopefully is a alum. block,with forced induction(optional) and an all tube chassis,the cars have to be something wicked even if they are on the band wagon

the 11.4 time slip is a base 68' phase II,,redline tires and no headers,,,an optioned out phase III 69' with optional headers and m&h slicks could do high 10s,,maybe


That is the exact car I was thinking of. I was browsing around the net a few years back and came to a webpage either owned by that guy, or about that guy and his Phase III. I remember seeing the $9k pricetag and just assumed all of the highly optioned phase IIIs were in that price range. Thanks for the clarification!

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Does anyone know where (physical location) the new Baldwin Motions are being built? If they're being built in baldwin, I might have to drop by and try to get some spy shots. Or are they being built in Florida?

[ramz69ss]

all tube chassis with 4 wheel independent suspension,,,they can not be building the frames,,,so i would imagine so someone who knows their stuff must be doing them,,,,the ride should be second to none,,,,,even though straight line cars were their thing,,,,with the right people on broad,,they could make a corner carver to dream about,,,,,you never know,,,,,then again maybe the 12 guys that get them,,could just want to fit in and look cool at the local sonic,,,,that is why either they need to build a statement car or a nut with deep pocket needs to call them

[toofun]

Put me on the list!!!.....OH YEAH I FORGOT.....Does anyone have an extra 200,000 I can borrow? :lmao:

[Nine Ball]

retail? I'd guess $225K
collectors going insane buying them? I'd guess $450K

[Hrod382]

So how much are you all guessing the name "Baldwin Motion" adds to the price? I mean aren't the Foose cars topping out at around 180K?

I still wonder what these cars will be in terms of "collectors". I really can't see someone buying one and really making much of a profit on it say they kept it for 5 years. They would have already paid top dollar. I guess we'll see.

[Steve Chryssos]

Visited with Bill Mitchell today--who will be supplying engines for the new Motion Camaros. When I asked how much the cars will sell for, his answer was:

"Around 400"

As I just plucked all the hairs out of my ears yesterday, I'm sure I heard his response correctly.
/Steevo

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Visited with Bill Mitchell today--who will be supplying engines for the new Motion Camaros. When I asked how much the cars will sell for, his answer was:

"Around 400"

As I just plucked all the hairs out of my ears yesterday, I'm sure I heard his response correctly.
/Steevo


Looks like my original guess of 325k retail was the closest. :thankyou: So where do I pick up my "new" BM '69? This was one of those guess and win contests, right? :ripped:

Seriously though, 400k. Ouch!

[Jagarang]

400,000 :crying: :barf: Holy SHEEEot!

[Rick@Rick's Hot Rod Shop]

http://www.aztexcorp.com/expressionengine/index.php?/weblog/comments/motion-is-back/#extended


Found this... Pretty much states what has already been said, but in a quote form Joel Rosen he says hes workin with Kris Horton on the project.

[KrisHorton]

:evil:

[Steve1968LS2]

http://www.aztexcorp.com/expressionengine/index.php?/weblog/comments/motion-is-back/#extended


Found this... Pretty much states what has already been said, but in a quote form Joel Rosen he says hes workin with Kris Horton on the project.

Who would work with THAT guy??? :rolleyes5

$400k?? So much for them hitting the track.. i see a climate controlled garage and an enclosed trailer in these cars futures..

For that price will they have cup holders?

[Rick@Rick's Hot Rod Shop]

Im right there with ya Steve
But who knows what they will actually cost?
I know Bill Mitchell Said around 400, but remember all the madness :seizure: about the Unique Performance Prices? If i remember correctly i think someone posted that they had visited Unique and were told that they were going to be in the 200K range. And now that all that dust has settled the top of the line is 125K.

[MuscleRodz]

Kris you have been outed by the news paper. SPILL IT!!!!

Mike

[KrisHorton]

I can't give any details, but rest assured, it's going to be badass and it'll definitely be more than a 69 Camaro with bolt on parts. Stay tuned, maybe I can drop more hints soon!

Kris

[Bill Howell]

Maybe I have missed this somewhere, but are these cars regular vin 69 cars that are being restored, then upgraded or are they using new bodies? I am assuming either way, they will have unique trim tags?