Any real world feedback on the DSE Mustang Program yet?

[CTSV]

I have to say their Mustang stuff really impresses me by its sheer design and i heard alot of builders have been buying this stuff up. Has anyone other than DSE finished a front and rear suspension clip install that has feedback on the road or road coarse? I am anxious to hear how it stacks up to other bolt on kits that use the original mounting points.

[GNon18s]

I've only seen the white DSE mustang. I saw them thrash that car for two full days at Carolina motorsports park. Looked like that car had a bunch of billet aluminum front suspension parts. Are their production parts billet also? or are they cast?

[dontlifttoshift]

It's all cast, not billet. The stuff is still new....very new. Steve Stropes latest build used the dse front end but I don't believe it will ever turn a tire in anger.

What are you comparing to??

[CTSV]

It's all cast, not billet. The stuff is still new....very new. Steve Stropes latest build used the dse front end but I don't believe it will ever turn a tire in anger.

What are you comparing to??. I have a complete ridetech set up with tA coil overs and tcp power rack pinion. Car feels good , rides good but I'm still not happy with the front end and steering feel. I thought about changing everything over this winter. I think the dse front clip would make a huge improvement over what I got now. I like the fact that their kit isn't using factory mount points which limits geometry.

I hear dse is back logged on these kits due to demand so I figured someone had to have it by now.

[dontlifttoshift]

I have one, but no driving impressions. I really can't say "this will solve all of your problems" but I will agree that a clean sheet design is usually much better than trying to work within exisisting parameters.

I really think the the biggest issue with your setup is the rack itself. I think you would be much happier with a borgeson steering box, but that's just my opinion.

[CTSV]

I have one, but no driving impressions. I really can't say "this will solve all of your problems" but I will agree that a clean sheet design is usually much better than trying to work within exisisting parameters.

I really think the the biggest issue with your setup is the rack itself. I think you would be much happier with a borgeson steering box, but that's just my opinion.


I tried 3 racks so far. I wanted the borageson kit but they said it would not work on my car with frame rail and header clearance. What car did you put the dse stuff in? pM me more info on your setup. Any idea when you'll get a road test done?

[SLO_Z28]

I got a chance to see the test car in action at the OUSCI autocross, it looked good. The car articulated well, the camber curve was there as the tire didn't roll into positive camber, and it didn't need a ton of static negative camber to accomplish that. The car looked like it set in very good, and seemed very composed. A lot of that is the spring and shock combination, and DSE uses the JRI shocks which are absolutely badass, but the camber curve, bump steer, and rear end all looked very composed. I cannot attest to the feel of the front end, and that is a subjective thing, what I or someone else may like might feel bad to you, but the front kit looks good.

[dontlifttoshift]

CTS, I am putting it in my car. Its a full build and is bare metal on a chassis table right now......I don't think you want to wait 18 months for driving impressions on my car....;-)

In case you didn't see it in the other DSE Mustang threads, I have driven their test car on the street. We own a 2012 Mustang Gt and use that as a baseline for comparison. The DSE car rides better than the late model. The steering was a little lighter than our late model but I was okay with that. Our late model is equipped with electric power steering from the factory and we run it in sport (heaviest) mode all the time.

At the Goodguys show in Indy, my wife Angela got the chance to drive angry in the DSE test car. She had never driven it before that day. Angela went 39.5 on her first and only pass in the car compared to the high 37s the DSE driver had been running. All Angela said after that was if our 2012 would turn in and stick in the front end like that it would be awesome.........I reminded her to wait until the 66 was done.

It's fast, comfortable, and user friendly. It also is thirty pounds lighter than stock suspension. That's a win, win, win, and win.

[CTSV]

Donny that's great to hear you had seat time in the dse car plus your using a new stang as the baseline. I also think electric steering is a bit funky on the new cars. Do you know if the dse steering rack can be adjusted via torsion bar or pump flow? Lastly before you choose this set up on your new build have you driven other mustangs with similar set up like mine and the abundant bolt on solutions the aftermarket offers?

[MuscleRodz]

I have rode in the Mustang, feels just just like all their other cars I have rode in as they all share same basic geometry. All of their products are already tested to a proven performance level before they are released to the public.

[Classic Nova & Performance]

As has already been stated, the car handles great. We have a 66 Mustang scheduled to com into the shop for complete suspension & drivetrain upgrade, but that won't be until Springtime. Also, the owner hasn't made up his mind on the suspension package.

Walt

[67cougnut]

Great Thread, as I'm getting prepared to purchase the DSE kit as well. Only difference being is that Im going to stay good ole' fashioned pushrod for now, where it seems like every build out there has or is going mod motor.

[wiedemab]

Great Thread, as I'm getting prepared to purchase the DSE kit as well. Only difference being is that Im going to stay good ole' fashioned pushrod for now, where it seems like every build out there has or is going mod motor.

Nice!! goode ole' Windsor FTW!

[CTSV]

Great Thread, as I'm getting prepared to purchase the DSE kit as well. Only difference being is that Im going to stay good ole' fashioned pushrod for now, where it seems like every build out there has or is going mod motor.

I myself am having the same toss up on engines. I cant decide if i go 427 (600hp)or Coyote. I know the Coyote install isnt that easy from what other shops told me. there is nothing wrong with a 427 pushrod look how incredible those perform on the replica Cobra kit cars. I think once the shop starts getting into the fab work in a few weeks il decide once all of the fab work is completed on my engine. Did you guys see the Edelbrock Blown Coyote with 700 hp? suggested price is around $17k, that engine must scream.

[67cougnut]

what have shops said? whats the hard part of putting a coyote in? the only thing i could see possibly being a problem is brake master cyl. setup possibly hitting the valve cover. my setup from CNC is pretty small and compact, not sure if I will have issues once I go coyote. DSE makes the mounts and headers to fit their cradle and everything else is just like going modern anything. ford motorsport makes an essential harness which cuts out all the B.S. from the factory harness and gives you whats needed to make the motor run. FMS also offers the drive by wire gas pedal. lastly you would have fuel setup, which would be the same for pretty much anything going efi. you will need to have a sump'd and baffled tank, pump/filter setup and regulation, of course all that cost money where if you stuck with pushrod you wouldn't need a ton of elaborate expensive fuel system pieces. Keep in mind that DSE said their cradle raises the crank center line 1/4" so if you are having hood clearance issues now, they will be slightly worse.

[67cougnut]

Nice!! goode ole' Windsor FTW!
I like the coyote stuff, BUT want to see more of it before I have to put together a gross amount of money to make no horse power. gonna stick with pushrod, and will be happy knowing that if need be My cradle and suspension will allow for that swap later on.

[Mzrico]

Hello. Just got the complete DSE set up from front to rear. It is going into a 1969 Mustang fast back. So far I got the sub-frame connectors and the mini-tubs install. My experience so far is very positive. The sub-frame connector (driver side only) does not come with the hole to pass the emergency cable through the frame. Be sure to cut the hole before installation, if stock parking brake is going to be use. On the tub side: It is a grate design product and it fits well. Lots of work cutting and welding and I’m just getting started with the installation process. I will get some photos soon and post my two cents on the Quadra link and Alumina frame installation.

[Mzrico]

http://s1291.beta.photobucket.com/user/mzrico1969/media/1969Mustangquqdralink_zpsbfab2b79.jpg.html#/user/mzrico1969/media/1969Mustangquqdralink_zpsbfab2b79.jpg.html?&_suid=135666322176709053360424144765

[Mzrico]

Not able to do photos. but I got a few good ones of the under side of the car with the complete rear set installed. I need help posting pics, thanks.

[bighead]

CTS, I am putting it in my car. Its a full build and is bare metal on a chassis table right now......I don't think you want to wait 18 months for driving impressions on my car....;-)

In case you didn't see it in the other DSE Mustang threads, I have driven their test car on the street. We own a 2012 Mustang Gt and use that as a baseline for comparison. The DSE car rides better than the late model. The steering was a little lighter than our late model but I was okay with that. Our late model is equipped with electric power steering from the factory and we run it in sport (heaviest) mode all the time.

At the Goodguys show in Indy, my wife Angela got the chance to drive angry in the DSE test car. She had never driven it before that day. Angela went 39.5 on her first and only pass in the car compared to the high 37s the DSE driver had been running. All Angela said after that was if our 2012 would turn in and stick in the front end like that it would be awesome.........I reminded her to wait until the 66 was done.

It's fast, comfortable, and user friendly. It also is thirty pounds lighter than stock suspension. That's a win, win, win, and win.

Hey do you have a build thread for your 66 Mustang?

Thanks

[CTSV]

Well my entire dse kit arrived and the shop started the tear down and fab work. Yes there is a ton of cutting and welding but its not too hard. Now after seeing my car all stripped down I can not get over how thin and flimsy these cars are I mean the floors and sheetmetal bends so easily . I really hope I'm impressed after all of this work. Hey Mzrico ow long did it take for you to install the. Quadralink , Subframe connectors and tubs? Do you have Any more photos you can send me off PM?

[Mzrico]

Sure thing CTSV. I'm going to load more photos of the build as it makes progress. I did the quadra link instalation in 5 days. I have done quadralinks for 69 Camaros, this was my first for a Mustang. There is a lot more work with the Mustang because the upper trailling arms pockets have to be welded from multiple pieces. Also the measuring has to be near perfect to get everything to line up right. Subframe conectors and tubs were less stressful to instal, as well as the delete shock tower panels. I spent 3 days each to complete the subframe conectors, the minitub kit, and the shock tower panels. I have just completed the alumina frame instalation (3days labor) and it was a challenge, but can't say enough positive things about the final product. With all the DSE front to back components on the car I'm blown away by how well the parts look. Once I cleaned the welds and epoxy primered all components everything looks like it could have come from the factory. I realize the initial question of the tred was performance on DSE Mustang components. But this stuff is so new Im glad we are discussing instalation. Hope we can discuss performance soon

[CTSV]

did you spend full days doing all of this or just part time, weekends and did you have help or you did it all solo?

[Mzrico]

The car is fully disasambled and on a rotisserie. I had help getting the car to that stage, wich in term helped me with installing all of the DSE components. But the installations I did solo and some day were 10 to 12 hrs. My worked days on installation of DSEs components are after the 3 weeks of disasambly, sand blasting to bare metal, epoxy priming, and loading the car on to the Rotisserie. If I had to price all of this installations I would say 10K if the car came ready for the Rotisserie and I had no rust, paint, or disasambly responsabilities. I wonder what is your ball park installation costs?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rodcustoms/134188786740097

[ProCobraII]

Not to highjack the thread but does anyone know what it would take or if it’s even possible to modify the DSE rear suspension to fit a 76 Mustang Cobra II? Possible the mini tub kit also? I think the 65/66 is fairly similar in dimension to the 76...

[67cougnut]

NIce! I'm going to be joining the DSE group soon as well. I will be ordering my front kit and mini tub kit next friday!

[CTSV]

Guess you can call it excited but the shop already gutted my car to its shell and has the subframe connectors done and rear quadralink, they are started on the tubs tomorrow its a scary site omg but they had a fabricator that is just amazing, its only been 2 days and they got all of this done. i might start a build thread with all the photos soon.

[67cougnut]

^^^ might? you WILL start a build thread!!!

[Mzrico]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rodcustoms/134188786740097

[CTSV]

hey guys the shop doing my build is going to be sponsoring the board and will be doing a full build thread so stay tuned. my car is coming out awesome they have been sending me photos every day.

[67cougnut]

whats the shops name?

[67cougnut]

Just ordered my DSE aluma frame setup from Matts classic bowties last week! it cannot get here soon enough! anyone looking for DSE stuff hit Matt up!

[67cougnut]

Kyle gave me a ride in the DSE Stang yesterday. No need to worry about it performing that is for sure!

[Mzrico]

I have serious problems at this point. Getting very little help from DSEs personnel. I will give them some time but I don't know how much longer Ill be able to support this line of products.

[Ron.in.SoCal]

I have serious problems at this point. Getting very little help from DSEs personnel. I will give them some time but I don't know how much longer Ill be able to support this line of products.

Problems with what? Nothing sounds right about that in my experience with DSE. A suggestion - list your issue here so the community can chime in with a solution or go to the feedback forum.

[dontlifttoshift]

Yes, what's the problem and post pictures if you can.

[Mzrico]

Hello. By no means am I making a negative judgment of DSEs components. I have used their products in multiple projects and have one thing to say: They are the best on the market! Now to discuss the problem (I should say challenge from this point forward). I have the Aluma-Frame installed in a 1969 Mustang, along with as many components as I was able to get from DSE (Quadra-Linck, Mini-tubs, complete brakes etc.) And I am extremely happy with every part of the process (Service, delivery, instructions, fitment, prices, installation etc.) The challenge has to do with the headers, specifically the ones for the new modular FORD engines (Coyote and Boss 302). These headers are not available from DSE and will not be available any time soon. I have spoken to DSE at length and my frustration resulted from the fact that for the past six months I get the “WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND SHOULD HAVE THEM BY ONE OR TWO MOTHS” story. Now I’m headerless and left with a strong suspicion as to why the best company in the industry has dropped the ball on this one. The space between the 5.0 head and the DSE shock tower is so limited than not even the factory available FORD manifolds fit, nor do the factory headers that come with the Coyote Engine. A challenge no question, I only wish I was given a more realistic perspective sooner by DSE personnel and not left to find out the hard way. I have a header builder on the case but as with anything: Honesty is always the best policy. My link has a video that shows the challenge better than I can explain.

[CTSV]

My car is almost finished and should be running next week. There were lots of headaches doing this conversion.

As for headers this is why i went with a 427 engine, lack of headers, engine mounts and oil,pan for the dse frame at the time made me leary to,go this route of a mod motor.

Lots of shops are building these and are at a standstill because of similar issues.

[andrewb70]

Hello. By no means am I making a negative judgment of DSEs components. I have used their products in multiple projects and have one thing to say: They are the best on the market! Now to discuss the problem (I should say challenge from this point forward). I have the Aluma-Frame installed in a 1969 Mustang, along with as many components as I was able to get from DSE (Quadra-Linck, Mini-tubs, complete brakes etc.) And I am extremely happy with every part of the process (Service, delivery, instructions, fitment, prices, installation etc.) The challenge has to do with the headers, specifically the ones for the new modular FORD engines (Coyote and Boss 302). These headers are not available from DSE and will not be available any time soon. I have spoken to DSE at length and my frustration resulted from the fact that for the past six months I get the “WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND SHOULD HAVE THEM BY ONE OR TWO MOTHS” story. Now I’m headerless and left with a strong suspicion as to why the best company in the industry has dropped the ball on this one. The space between the 5.0 head and the DSE shock tower is so limited than not even the factory available FORD manifolds fit, nor do the factory headers that come with the Coyote Engine. A challenge no question, I only wish I was given a more realistic perspective sooner by DSE personnel and not left to find out the hard way. I have a header builder on the case but as with anything: Honesty is always the best policy. My link has a video that shows the challenge better than I can explain.

You can always order the LSx mount kit...LOL

Andrew

[Mzrico]

You can always order the LSx mount kit...LOL

Andrew

LOL, it was my first idea.

[67cougnut]

I think you are one of the only people so far, I've heard of going pushrod. What headers did you use?

[Mzrico]

Still working on it with Chris from stainless header. As soon as posible I will post pics of the prototypes.

[67cougnut]

Mzrico you try calling roush Yates to see if you can get headers from them? From what I understand they are the supplier for DSE.

[She-DSE]

I am sorry we have not given you the proper service. Thank you for bringing this to my attention in a well written post. I understand your frustration completely. We do have a header design and ready for production. This is the same header we tested and have been running on our '66 Test Car for a year. We have been patiently working with our supplier to begin production. However, we understand that we cannot hold up our customers any longer so we are going to do it. I understand that does not help your current situation, but please understand we 'thought' we were giving you truthful information. That is one reason why we like to do as much in-house as we can. I am on the road headed back from an event, but feel free to call and ask for me anytime. We sincerely appreciate your business.

Thank you,
Stacy Tucker

[Mzrico]

Hello Stacy. I am not only a satisfied customer but a fan and admirer of you and your husband Kyle. Thank you for your honest reply to my post, it shows how important and reaching this forums truly are. Having the heads of the company addressing this issue first hand, is evidence enough for me that soon we will have the headers available. The rest of the components went together extremely well, and the car continues on the reassembly process. We will focus on other details as we await the headers. My thanks to you, your sales staff, and to the guys at Pro-Touring.com for the positive responses to my concerns. I will continue to discuss progress of our all out DSE suspension build on this forum.
Miguel

[Mzrico]

Aluma-Frame installed.

[Mzrico]

Some photos of the DSE components installed.

[Bryce]

Nice work, what spring rates did you go with?

[Mzrico]

Nice work, what spring rates did you go with?
Hello Bryce. Im using DSEs Double Adjustable coil over shocks.

[67cougnut]

Bryce, I believe the spring rate that's shipped for mod motors and Windsor based is 400#. Of course I can only speak on the front as of right now.

[Mzrico]

Hello Stacy. I have called and PM with no response.

[She-DSE]

Mzrico,

I apologize I am not good with PMs. Please call the shop and have them page me if I am not in my office. If I am out of the shop, have them give you my cell number and tell them I said it was ok. I will give them a heads-up on this. I do have some information for you.

[CTSV]

Mzrico,

I apologize I am not good with PMs. Please call the shop and have them page me if I am not in my office. If I am out of the shop, have them give you my cell number and tell them I said it was ok. I will give them a heads-up on this. I do have some information for you.
Stacey what about a solution for my 427 build? The shop building my car has been calling everyone for a solution. Are you developing headers for the Windsor based motors? And most importantly my shop has asked this over and over to your sales and tech team. Did you design the aluma frame with shorty headers in mind or for full length long tubes? I just can not see how full long tubes will ever fit regardless of motor. Knowing how you designed this will save alot of legwork on getting a set made.

[Mzrico]

Mzrico,

I apologize I am not good with PMs. Please call the shop and have them page me if I am not in my office. If I am out of the shop, have them give you my cell number and tell them I said it was ok. I will give them a heads-up on this. I do have some information for you.

Thank you. Will do.

[67cougnut]

Stacey what about a solution for my 427 build? The shop building my car has been calling everyone for a solution. Are you developing headers for the Windsor based motors? And most importantly my shop has asked this over and over to your sales and tech team. Did you design the aluma frame with shorty headers in mind or for full length long tubes? I just can not see how full long tubes will ever fit regardless of motor. Knowing how you designed this will save alot of legwork on getting a set made.

I too have wondered this. I have been speaking with Dan Oddy over at DSE he has been super helpful. He gave me a list of a few installers that are supposedly using a pushrod Windsor. I just haven't had a spare moment to talk to the shops to see what they did for headers. If you want PM me and I'll forward you the list or contact Dan for the list.
Unfortunately this is the type of stuff that happens when you have the newest, latest and greatest stuff. To me it's all part of the hobby. Lol

[Mzrico]

78060

[Ron Sutton]

That is a BEAUTIFUL car. I love the 69-70 fastback style.

[67cougnut]

any word on headers CTS-V or Mzrico?

[Mzrico]

Talked to Dan today. Progress is happening but still no production run. Hopefully soon.

[CTSV]

Well headers do not fit after 3 attempts and this is getting worse now because according to the shop who built my car DSE is not interested in supporting any header other than the Coyote. They do not even have Coyote headers yet so guys wake up DSE took our money with a kit that was not as advertised. Should i talk further about feeling screwed here? I have tried the mock up kit direction twice and it failed twice. we can only get small shortie headers with 1-5.8 tubes to work but this sucks and will rob gobs of power on my 427 we had the shop who is contracted to do the Coyote headers for DSE scan the DSE car to make a set and those do not fit. Weeks of modeling and waiting proved another failure this weekend. This has been the absolute worst decision in my life modifying a car. this is beyond the headaches of hot rodding and modifying a car and dealing with that is not new to me. DSE can keep campaigning their car all they want but without full support i hope people realize this before they buy anything for their Mustangs.

[72BBSwinger]

Wow I would think existing headers would fit? So they aftermarket DSE suspension has LESS room for headers than a stock car does? Something seems fishy hear to me.

[CTSV]

Wow I would think existing headers would fit? So they aftermarket DSE suspension has LESS room for headers than a stock car does? Something seems fishy hear to me.

yes much less room than a stock mustang because of the cast alumframe interferes with the area the collector would go and the aluminum uprights make the bend radius even tighter for the primary. then if you lead the primaries toward the bell housing you are limited to just 3.6 inches otherwise the tubes sandwich against the original frame rail.The engine does not sit in the car exactly the way it did with the stock suspension set up and i verify this because my shaker scoop does not line up with the hood opening and my engine was test fit prior to this conversion. i also needed to shorten the driveshaft as well. so it appears the engine may be slightly further back with the DSE engine mounts who knows but it truly sucks if you ask me.

[72BBSwinger]

Have you tried Fox body headers?

[CTSV]

Have you tried Fox body headers?

Yes the shop tried now 6 sets of off the shelf headers and some were fox body the only header that fit were puny shorties with 1/4 flanges and 1.5 primaries. We used those to remodel with larger tubes and it hit the steering shaft . I think shorties are the only option on this kit but my motor really needs larger tubes . I didnt spend big dough on this custom 600hp 427 mill to shortchange the exhaust now, disappointing. I hope something gets figured out soon. I am now considering a 2 piece styled header if someone can design and build it.

[72BBSwinger]

I understand totally why you want a good header, I am just throwing stuff out there and it sounds like you have covered all bases, but DSE hasnt.

[bighead]

So I can't use the DSE Aluma Frame with my SB 302? I figured they would have tested different types of headers. I have long tube hooker headers now and would want to use them with the DSE Aluma Frame. Has anyone heard if DSE is going to support?

[67cougnut]

wow this Really sucks!!! I have a complete DSE Aluma frame setup sitting in my garage waiting to be installed. This is really making me think twice!! Luckly I have some time before I start installing,but I may just wait and see the outcome. I was told everything would line up and it appears this may not be the case. maybe its time to sell and give roadster shop a call.

[dontlifttoshift]

You guys with the 302s should have an easier time making the headers work with the shorter deck height. CTSVs engine is 351 based I believe.

[67cougnut]

You guys with the 302s should have an easier time making the headers work with the shorter deck height. CTSVs engine is 351 based I believe.

I have been entertaining the thought of going to a 351w platform while everything is apart, so that later on down the road I could go big inch SBF, without having to buy EVERYTHING. With 302 based motor biggest you'll see is about 363CID and thats with an aftermarket block.

[67cougnut]

So I can't use the DSE Aluma Frame with my SB 302? I figured they would have tested different types of headers. I have long tube hooker headers now and would want to use them with the DSE Aluma Frame. Has anyone heard if DSE is going to support?
I wouldnt count on an off the shelf long tube header fitting. shorty for a 302 probably, not long tube. seems like the trouble would be the rear mount for the LCA protruding into the engine compartment and the the fact that on the driver side you also have to get around a fairly long steering shaft.
General info Ive found online shows that the 351W is about 1-1.5" wider then the 302 motors.
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vintage-mustang-forum/560568-dimensional-difference-289-302-vs-351-a.html

[67cougnut]

yes much less room than a stock mustang because of the cast alumframe interferes with the area the collector would go and the aluminum uprights make the bend radius even tighter for the primary. then if you lead the primaries toward the bell housing you are limited to just 3.6 inches otherwise the tubes sandwich against the original frame rail.The engine does not sit in the car exactly the way it did with the stock suspension set up and i verify this because my shaker scoop does not line up with the hood opening and my engine was test fit prior to this conversion. i also needed to shorten the driveshaft as well. so it appears the engine may be slightly further back with the DSE engine mounts who knows but it truly sucks if you ask me.

-how far back are we talking? 1/2"?, 2",

-was the shop still able to use an aftermarket off the shelf cross member for the tranny?

-if they built their own tranny cross member it could contribute to more engine angle bringing the scoop back towards the back of the hole in the hoodif the motor is not sitting in there at the correct angle( i believe its suppose to be 3degree heading down as the you go towards the firewall.)

[72BBSwinger]

If a guy has to make his own headers, you may as well just go full retard and put a Kasse Boss 572 in there!

[CTSV]

Well the custom header shop is still working. This is still a nightmare but i hope to get it solved in the next 8 weeks. There are lots of clearance issues this is just not an easy custom header to build.

[CTSV]

I dont think the deck height is the issue and no way a 302 will make this task any easier trust me, issue is just the archietecture of how things are laid out now. Sure a shorty will work with small primaries but why bother doing all this to loose horsepower. I had mustang 2 kits on other mustangs and those were easy to work with this is just like smashing you head against a wall over and over trying to work magic

[1970 TT Rustang]

Did you call American racing headers here on long island?

[CTSV]

Did you call American racing headers here on long island?

Yes i did speak to them a few times and they told me they moved into a new shop and wouldn't be set up for a few months to do the job, that was back this spring i then followed up but they did not seem interested to take on this project after i showed them photos and explained the scenario.

[67cougnut]

I got in contact with this guy last night:
1967 Cougar: Twin-Blown Torq Storm Project - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv0F04uo6Po)

Wes and I spoke through FB messenger last night and he was more then happy to talk to me answer questions etc.

Wes has a build page here:https://www.facebook.com/427Wildcat
He is running a sbf 427 with twin superchargers. The mustang and cougar share the same dimensions up front so the headers he has crafted should work. Wes told me he designed them to easily come out and easy to get to bolts and plugs.

Wes told me I could share his header pics, he sent me a pic of each side installed plus a pic of them out of the car. these were just his mock up headers with 1-7/8 primaries in a tri Y design which then go into 2-1/2 then finish out in a 3" collector. Right now Dougs headers is building a set and will be producing these because they see the need/market for them.

heres the pics i got from Wes:

Driver side Final product
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/08/dsedriverheader_zps4804f6f1-1.png (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/norcalcougar/media/dsedriverheader_zps4804f6f1.png.html)

Passenger side final product
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/08/dsepassengerheader_zpsbe0b46b7-1.png (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/norcalcougar/media/dsepassengerheader_zpsbe0b46b7.png.html)

fab/ mock up set set out of car:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/08/dsemockup_zps294200ca-1.png (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/norcalcougar/media/dsemockup_zps294200ca.png.html)

[CTSV]

Wow now this made my day seeing these. When will these be available?

[67cougnut]

Give Wes a call or give Dougs headers a call and see what they have to say. Apparently the prototypes have been in the hands of Dougs headers.

[67cougnut]

Wild Wes paint works
Automotive Customizing
1468 Horns Lane, Dover, Ohio 44622(330) 323-4949

or give dougs a call

Doug's Headers (http://www.pertronix.com/prod/ex/dougs/)

[67cougnut]

here is the final headers after dougs built it

After
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/09/dseheaderfinal_zps367e2d5d-1.png (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/norcalcougar/media/dseheaderfinal_zps367e2d5d.png.html)

before
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/08/dsemockup_zps294200ca-1.png (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/norcalcougar/media/dsemockup_zps294200ca.png.html)

[CTSV]

They look nice are these stainless or mild steel? Curious when these might be available

[67cougnut]

They look nice are these stainless or mild steel? Curious when these might be available
I'd call dougs first thing in the A.M. and see if they can be had in the flavor you want. Just figured id post the update that there has been a set actually built and installed.

[67cougnut]

Found out today, that Doug's will have them built and ready to sell in 60 days.

[CTSV]

Found out today, that Doug's will have them built and ready to sell in 60 days.

Who were you able to speak with i called twice and nobody seemed to help. I had my builder call and same story he left two messages and nobody called back today.

I also would like to know if these headers will make good power on a built motor or not vs a true 4 to 1 long tube header

[67cougnut]

As I was taught, a true 4 into 1 will make more peak power for sure. Tri Y will shine more in the low to mid area of the power band. These heaers will Def. out flow a set of shorties which seem to be your only out of the box option at the moment.
I sent an email to Doug's and Sunday Night, I got a facebook message from Wes@ wild Wes paint works last night saying this:

Wes: Don at Dougs got back to me, The headers will be in production in roughly 60 days.
me: he give any indication of price?
Wes: No, I think they will be available in 60 days, not just in production. I'll try and see if they have nailed down a price.

So CTS-V sounds like Don@ Dougs is the man to talk to.

[CTSV]

Thanks il pass this info to my builder now.
i like these dougs headers because they can be easily installed without any teardown of the car which i like plus they can go in From under the hood or below. This is a huge plus and once you start trying to fit headers you will realize what i mean.

[1970 TT Rustang]

Did you contact DSE it looks like they are available on their site

[CTSV]

Did you contact DSE it looks like they are available on their site
DSE had shown and advertised headers for over a year which never existed, talk about misleading customers. I just got word that my custom headers are finally made and will be test fit next week.

[bighead]

So I saw in some earlier post DSE told you to contact them. Have they been helpful with your problem or are they only interested in supporting the coyote motor?

[CTSV]

So I saw in some earlier post DSE told you to contact them. Have they been helpful with your problem or are they only interested in supporting the coyote motor?
Ha ha funny DSE has offered zero help to myself and others. In a few weeks it will mark 1 year they introduced this system and 1 year of selling them and still no headers for the coyote or other engines. I am beyond dissapointed At Detroit Speed as a company and i honestly should have shipped my car to Roadster Shop for their chassis instead.

[dontlifttoshift]

Roadster Shop has headers for their Mustang suspension?

[67cougnut]

Ha ha funny DSE has offered zero help to myself and others. In a few weeks it will mark 1 year they introduced this system and 1 year of selling them and still no headers for the coyote or other engines. I am beyond dissapointed At Detroit Speed as a company and i honestly should have shipped my car to Roadster Shop for their chassis instead.

Did you ever contact them? I remember Stacys dad putting a pushrod motor in a 67 coupe with their suspension there might be some info to be had there. Any luck dealing with dougs?

[CTSV]

Did you ever contact them? I remember Stacys dad putting a pushrod motor in a 67 coupe with their suspension there might be some info to be had there. Any luck dealing with dougs?

Myself and the owner of the shop have tried Dougs so many times and still never got a return call back.
Good news the nascar exhaust guys down south designed a 4 to 1 header and just test fit on a car DSE had as their show demo roller. The headers fit but they shipped up to us now to do a final test fit and if all works out we just need to ship back for finish welding. We anticipate my car will be complete in the next 6 weeks. I just hope these headers fit this final time around. I really want to get a few drives before winter lands up this way.

[67cougnut]

for what its worth heres a pick of the final product:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/09/dseheader_zpsbe4d26cc-1.png (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/norcalcougar/media/dseheader_zpsbe4d26cc.png.html)

[CTSV]

As of last night i got the headers that i was anxiously waiting on, the test fit went well and they are on the car. The owner of the shop building my car is now mocking up the h pipe and rest of the system. Then it is going to the trim shop to wrap up my interior. I anticipate mid october to be driving it

Il post photos here once i stop by and see my car later this week. My headers are a 4 to 1 full stainless using v bands and 1-7/8 tubes they look killer and will make great power for my 427 mill

[67cougnut]

^ I want to see pictures!!!

will the shop that built the headers be keeping a cad drawing or dimensions to build some later in the future?

[CTSV]

Here is a photo, these are just Tig tacked for the test fit they will be finished next week.

each tube is seamless bent with no joints, the flanges are CNC machined. These headers are a work of art and fit like a glove. The shop said they removed the DSE upright assembly with upper shock mount, jacked the engine up and both sides slide right in. Install took about 30 min

yes the Nascar shop who built these will be making these for anyone with a 302 or 351w based engine and will offer them exclusive. As much of a wait this has been in the end it will be all worth it. I just hoped to have driven my car this summer and fall but there is always next year.

[no go nova]

Now what about the big block and Mod guys?

[67cougnut]

CTSV those look amazing!!!!! Im thinking that will be the route I go.

[dontlifttoshift]

Is this the same shop that builds the rest of DSEs headers? Those are quite nice.

[CTSV]

CTSV those look amazing!!!!! Im thinking that will be the route I go.

This is the route you will go, you do not spend over 10 grand on doing this front conversion , trust me it will equate to maybe more than that when you are done to then put $500 mild steel headers. I am happy I waited trust me. PM me il give you my builders info and the header mfr info as well

[CTSV]

Is this the same shop that builds the rest of DSEs headers? Those are quite nice.

not sure I heard Kooks or someone else makes all their GM based headers a fw years back but I am not sure on this. My builder linked up with these Nascar guys through someone at DSE and that is how the project initiated. This will be the true header source for eveyone doing a DSE mustang conversion.

[67cougnut]

Pm sent. I already know what this conversion is gonna cost. I already have over $8k tied up with no brakes or power steering. I also opted for the base line shocks until the build is done and I know where the budget is at. After all there is no savings when buying adjustable up front.

[71RS/SS396]

not sure I heard Kooks or someone else makes all their GM based headers a fw years back but I am not sure on this. My builder linked up with these Nascar guys through someone at DSE and that is how the project initiated. This will be the true header source for eveyone doing a DSE mustang conversion.

Pro Fab is who makes DSE's headers. http://www.profabrication.com/

[Mzrico]

Very happy to report that DSE took my order for headers yesterday. I should have them by first or second week of November. I will post pictures off and on the car. Thanks again to Stacy for your personal attention to my requests. Also thanks to the always helpful DSE staff. Hope to see you all at the open house. Thanks, Miguel.

[67cougnut]

Ctsv, is your car on the road yet?

[CTSV]

Ctsv, is your car on the road yet? Not yet is got held up at the trim shop because we ran out of leather that had to be shipped from Austria. they are finishing it today, looks amazing. My guys should have the car running and driving by the end of this week or weekend for sure.

[LukeSportsman]

The headers turned out really nice functionally and in looks. If I ever see you on the road, I'm not following you as you find more speed bumps and hurdles than just about anyone I know of that tries to do things right. Have you looked at Roadster shops newest Aluminum A-arms and Aluminum IRS system? I think I'm sold on them for my next high end build. Bumper to Bumper can run nearly $40k, but if I hope to build a Mustang to run down my German super beetles than it may take at least this. Looks as if OEM type headers will fit and I think the install, though more radical might be more straight forward.

When you getting that website up? The wait is killing me :)

[67cougnut]

CTS-V, Tried to PM you and see if you got it on the road. on the road yet?

[CTSV]

Guys it rained last few days and melted all the snow and washed away the road salt. I took a quick blast in my car earlier today i am very impressed with the DSE conversion, the ride quality, handling and overall steering feedback is amazing it feels like an e46 BMW M3. My engine needs a hell of a lot more tuning with the 8 stack efi and i am trying to get someone to fly out and do it this winter. My huge brakes also need to bed im properly as well. I can not wait for Spring to arrive. Thats the latest update on my build, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[Mzrico]

Hello. The headers are perfect. Bolted right on and the engine went in without problems. Clearances are excellent with zero conflicts.

[parsonsj]

So you're saying there are headers in that picture, lol?

[67cougnut]

Mzrico, did you end up building your own or buying pre-fabbed after all?

[Mzrico]

Mzrico, did you end up building your own or buying pre-fabbed after all?

I did get the DSE headers. The quality is excellent. Also very impressed by how well it fits the available space.

[67cougnut]

I did get the DSE headers. The quality is excellent. Also very impressed by how well it fits the available space.

WOW! I seen those things were $3250.00 for a set of Shorties.

I keep looking at Coyote swaps but cant justify the cost for the power.

Glad you were able to get that sorted out!!

[Mzrico]

WOW! I seen those things were $3250.00 for a set of Shorties.

I keep looking at Coyote swaps but cant justify the cost for the power.

Glad you were able to get that sorted out!!
Thank you. I have done several builds from mild to wh

[Mzrico]

Thank you. I have done several builds from mild to while or low to high budget. My view on DSE products is that their quality is only matched by a few other companies. Prices are high when first compared with what is available on the market today, but the quality is higher. Also (as we all know) having professionally engineered and road tested equipment saves us money, time, and headaches in the long run.
Building daily drivers is where most of us leave, but boy is it fun to work with the high end goodies.

[CTSV]

I have to agree the DSE quality is the best I have ever used and I tried everything from A to Z on my cars over the past 25 years.

[67cougnut]

Im not doubting the quality what so ever, thats why i bought the front setup for my car! I'm just saying that with what it cost to do a coyote swap, I'm thinking it wont be in the cards for this revision of my ride.

[67cougnut]

what size tube are you running? these were on a 427 w motor right?
Here is a photo, these are just Tig tacked for the test fit they will be finished next week.

each tube is seamless bent with no joints, the flanges are CNC machined. These headers are a work of art and fit like a glove. The shop said they removed the DSE upright assembly with upper shock mount, jacked the engine up and both sides slide right in. Install took about 30 min

yes the Nascar shop who built these will be making these for anyone with a 302 or 351w based engine and will offer them exclusive. As much of a wait this has been in the end it will be all worth it. I just hoped to have driven my car this summer and fall but there is always next year.

[67cougnut]

CTSV any pics or info on your car? is it done?

[Mzrico]

I finally can report on my DSE set up. Car was completed and on the road for Good Guys this past weekend. We completed several autocross passes and the car performance was excellent. Also the highway and stop and go function of the suspension are exceptional. It is best described as a strong and responsive sports
car feel. We got selected as the street machine finalists. I can see DSEs Ford components becoming the predominant choice for all drivers looking for performance and reliability for their Mustangs.

[Mzrico]

Our most heart felt thanks to the Good Guys for the privilege. Our hat's off to all of the amazing people and cars at the show this past weekend.