Delay Wipers uncovered

[JHunter]

-UPDATE- I've developed a functioning switch and you can see more about it, as well as order one on the following website: https://sites.google.com/site/huntersswitch/

I searched to the ends of the internet and wasn't able to find anyone who was able to break the code on how to make a fully functioning home-made version of DSE's "Selecta Speed" wiper motor - so I did it.

Here's what you need:

- The ability to solder
- A wiper motor and pigtail* from a 2000 Cadillac Deville*. (1. You can reuse the pigtail or order a new weatherpack connector if you want to // 2. Wipers from other GM makes & models will work - this is what I used and what my wiring diagram is built for)
- A rotary switch with at least 8 positions
- The required carbon fiber wound .25 watt resistors
- Lengths of 14ga and 22ga wire

What you'll need to do if you want to remove the motor from the junkyard:
The wiper motor is on the drivers side of the cowl, underneath the plastic wiper blade cover plate. You'll need torxs bits to remove the motor from the bracket as well as metric sockets. The wiper arms need to be removed in order to gain access, so bring a pry bar. I also brought a battery operated sawzall to cut down the mounting bracket. You don't need the bracket, but I got it to make hiding the motor under my fender (68 Camaro) easier - I can just trace the mounting holes easier.

When complete, the wiper will have a "mist" setting, 4 different delay modes, low and high speed. There is also an option to have the wipers make two passes when you use your windshield washer. As with the DSE model, this wiper motor does not have a washer pump - so you have to rig up a separate switch. I've got an idea of how I will do that, and will post details if/when I do it. I would like to find a rotary switch that also has a push button feature or a momentary first position on it, but haven't sourced that yet. If I do, you would then have a full functioning wiper motor from one switch, just like in the Cadillac (or most other modern cars).

Switch settings will result in the following:
1 - Off
2 - Mist - 20 second pause between wipes
3 - Delay 1 - 8 second pause
4 - Delay 2 - 4 second pause
5 - Delay 3 - 2 second pause
6 - Delay 4 - 1 second pause
7 - Low (continuous)
8 - High (continuous)

Other helpful hints before I get into the wiring diagram - if you're wanting to play with modern parts on an older car - try looking at Auto Zone or Advance Auto's website for wiring diagrams. I think I used Advance Auto (can't remember) and after signing up I had access to Cadillac's wiring diagrams - incredibly handy.

Below is the wiring diagram from Cadillac:


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Below is the connector details

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I'm waiting on my battery to charge on my camera then I'll be able to post a movie of the motor - in case you want to verify it works.
Another note in case you're wondering - the motor will self park. So if its in mid wipe and you turn off the switch, it will move back to its parked position. This motor will not however work for those with hidden wipers that need to 'retract'. I believe I've seen a post on how to modify the motor to work for hidden wipers, but since my Camaro doesn't need them, I didn't pay much attention to it.

I may solder it all up tonight or tomorrow, and I'll post pictures of how the switch looks with the resistors when that is done.

Let me know if there's any interest in more details - I'll be glad to help out if I can.


More to follow - John

[Roberts68]

Following! Or at least trying to... what an impressive amount of effort and detail. Thanks for sharing it!

[regal454]

Great write up John. I checked Rock Auto and they do list a motor with delay and a washer pump for an '80 Deville, A1 Cardone part number 401681. Do you know if it will work with this mod?

[JHunter]

Thanks for the kind words guys. Marc - I'll look at that part number when I get home, but the real challenge to make the washer function work (whether part of the wiper motor or a separate unit) is sourcing a switch that either has a push button or momentary first position option on a rotary switch. I could do it using the first position now (1st washer / 2nd off / 3rd mist etc) but that wouldn't be ideal because you could drain your washer bottle quickly because it would continue spraying until you manually turned it off. I'm going to call a couple electronic supply shops when I get home and see if they can track down a better switch. I'll add some better details this weekend for the wiring diagram, I know for some it can be a bit confusing. I have pages of scribbled notes and drawings piled up on my desk at home which is what it took for it to finally click for me.

It appears that my video camera has died, so I might post up a iphone video later so you can see the motor in each setting. I'm pretty excited that I got it to work.

Thanks guys -

[JHunter]

Well, I found the switch that would work perfectly - a momentary switch counterclockwise to activate the pump and wiper, return to the off position and then turn clockwise for the remainder of the delay settings. Great - except they have a minimum order of $700.oo. I'll continue to search for a cheaper solution to make the switch work the pump while retaining all delay positions.

[regal454]

Well, I found the switch that would work perfectly - a momentary switch counterclockwise to activate the pump and wiper, return to the off position and then turn clockwise for the remainder of the delay settings. Great - except they have a minimum order of $700.oo.

Ouch! well put me down for 1 lol

[JHunter]

Ouch! well put me down for 1 lol

Great - now I just need 13 more orders lol

[regal454]

Is it possible to adapt the factory '80 Deville switch to work?

[regal454]

Is it possible to adapt the factory '80 Deville switch to work?
Nope, different style switch.

[JHunter]

Nope, different style switch.

Yeah, that's the problem that I think has prevented most of the swaps from working like the wiper was intended - unless you graft the original donor switch into your car, you're stuck modifying an older rotary style switch to work. Of course most of the older "stock" switches only have a few positions. I found another switch - actually the same one I bought, that according to the spec sheet can be supplied with a momentary position, but I have to contact the factory. By the time I tried they had closed. I'll try them on Monday (hopefully they're open). I have to make sure I'm not reaching for the stars though, I've at least replicated what DSE produced, for far less. However, the OCD in me means I'll continue to search for the perfect switch so the washer works (either an 80 Deville model like the one you found, or a separate pump, which is what I'll probably go with).

[JHunter]

Here are some pictures of the switch being soldered:

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Brace added to ensure the wires don't get pulled out (I drilled out the rivets used to hold the switch together and replaced with machine screws which gives me some standoff):
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Resistors shrink wrapped and tied into speed selector/low speed wire:
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Now I just need to find some large diameter shrink wrap for the outside of the switch.


Video of the wiper working:
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[Roberts68]

Unfortunately I watched your video at work this morning and recently lost my speakers with a monitor swap and they have not gotten me new ones yet. I could tell you were narrating but missed out.

As for the heatshrink, best of luck finding something to suit you. The big stuff for 3 phase power etc would work but is messy and not easily integrated down to a smaller diameter such as you will need.
Last time I had such a need a local Xcel energy lineman gave me a few hunks. Buying the stuff in onesie-two-sies is pretty daunting, in my experience anyway.

Have you considered a urethane or epoxy instead? I work with a lot of submersible pumps and thought of that. You could then mask off where you don't want it, even make a small mold out of some split hose of appropriate diameter with a masking tape, cardboard or wooden disc as a backer with a slot or hole for your wires to exit. This would allow a neat package where you could elect to have the wire exit clocked in any position you prefer.

I for one would like this style of setup especially if it allows the use of the original knob for aesthetics. I do not want to integrate a black plastic or billet knob into my classic interior. I like the looks of the matching chrome knobs in my '68.

It has occurred to me though to find another purpose for the lighter, and replace it with a switch... moving the power port down to the console for phone charging etc...

Have you kicked around the notion of doing a run of these? A group buy of sorts?

[JHunter]

That's a great idea - I might try making a mold and using some two part epoxy and see how it turns out. If it works, I wouldn't need to make the tedious bridge to secure the wires. Nice idea - thank you.
I've thought about making these up if there was enough interest, I'd have to figure out what my batch cost would be, and honestly, time is money, so I'm not sure what the tipping point would be if someone wanted one.

[Roberts68]

It never gets old being told you had a great idea!:thankyou:

Keep your costs and time in mind. You have captured the interest of a few already.

All due respect to Kyle and Stacy Tucker for all of their contributions to the hobby, but free enterprise is something to keep alive and well in the hobby too... especially when the roots of the hobby are in guys figuring it out on their own.

As for me, I would think keeping the pump and wiper motor separate is beneficial... It is easy to hide a little pump and have it be a flooded suction in my car anyway. The closer the pump is to the tank the better it will function.

[JHunter]

Epoxy works nicely :) A few air bubbles, but I'm pretty happy.

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[Roberts68]

Nicely done! Compact, clean looking and well insulated and protected.

[JHunter]

Thanks, I appreciate the idea of using epoxy. With over 350 views in 8 hours I'm surprised there aren't more questions or comments.

[XLexusTech]

I love you man!

Thanks for the work!

[JHunter]

Ok, maybe no comments is ok lol.

[Roberts68]

Thanks, I appreciate the idea of using epoxy. With over 350 views in 8 hours I'm surprised there aren't more questions or comments.


I love you man!

Thanks for the work!

Well there ya go... although I dunno if that was the exact comment you were after.:candle:

Seriously, we all have different talents and your ability to decipher the electro gremlins and make the thing go, then convey it to the masses is greatly appreciated. Lots of guys will just look away from a DIY project involving resistors and soldering but yet they will strike an arc with a welder?:confused:

You mentioned $700 minimum, if you end up doing some sort of group buy please be sure to drop me a line. I miss a lot of content on the forums but I would be pretty interested. Back when I drove my car the wipers had failed so that is on the "to do" list. Like everything else I hope to make it better than new if I have to mess with it.

[Blown73]

Neat writeup!

Subscribed!

[JHunter]

You mentioned $700 minimum, if you end up doing some sort of group buy please be sure to drop me a line. I miss a lot of content on the forums but I would be pretty interested. Back when I drove my car the wipers had failed so that is on the "to do" list. Like everything else I hope to make it better than new if I have to mess with it.

Rob - I'm more than willing to make up a batch. I'd say if 5 (or more) want me to make a switch I could. I'd have to work a price (and do it via PM, don't want to get blasted for hocking things), but I don't think it would be too high. If others would like one, let me know. If you don't mind - what would the switch be worth to you? I know that's kind of backwards, I'm not trying to get rich off of this. Basically I'd need to know if I'd pull things from my stock (like wire etc) or if Id be able to buy materials (beyond the switch obviously) like a couple spools of wire etc. And, yea, I'd have to add something for my time - I'm in the Army and thats a full time job, so its not like I have a factory floor ready to go into production lol.

I could do the switch ready to go, but you'd have to buy the wiper motor (junkyard is about $30). Also, keep in mind that mounting the motor will take fab work. I plan on putting mine under the fender so Its as "simple" as cutting a hole, but if you want it in the stock position (talking 1st gen Camaro here) then you'd have to come up with a solution.

Something else I just discovered, the thread pitch on the first gen Camaro's bezel is an odd 1/2 28 - so while you could use the original knob, I'm trying to find a bezel (or sleeve) that would allow you to use the original bezel. The shaft diameter of the new switch is 3/8. Anyway, just food for thought.

Edit: Oh, and the $700 minimum was for a switch with a momentary first position so you could hook up the washer feature. I can get more of the type of switch I used with no minimum.

[DarkoNova]

Nice!

Most of my job is soldering so this seems like something I can definitely do. And I'm like you, the only reason I haven't bought a multi-speed "kit" from anyone is because they all say you lose the washer function. Granted, I rarely even use it, I'm just OCD enough to want every single thing on my car working as it should. I also don't want a separate button to use for the washer function. I basically gave up looking for a switch that would do everything I need, so if you can find one, that would be awesome.

[JHunter]

Matt - Thanks. I think I found a company that makes the switch we need for the washer function, but I have to call the factory this week. It's a spring rotary switch, so as long as they don't have a crazy minimum order or a special run then we might be in luck.

[gak68]

Just a random question. I don't have many junkyards around here, so I was just going to by a rebuilt wiper motor from my parts store, could you put up a pic of the male weatherpak? I could see what I needed to order. Oh and if you do find a switch and there is a minimum order count me in.

[Roberts68]

First of all, let me say THANKS for your service to our Country!:usa:


Something else I just discovered, the thread pitch on the first gen Camaro's bezel is an odd 1/2 28 - so while you could use the original knob, I'm trying to find a bezel (or sleeve) that would allow you to use the original bezel. The shaft diameter of the new switch is 3/8. Anyway, just food for thought.

Edit: Oh, and the $700 minimum was for a switch with a momentary first position so you could hook up the washer feature. I can get more of the type of switch I used with no minimum.


Most of my job is soldering so this seems like something I can definitely do....I basically gave up looking for a switch that would do everything I need, so if you can find one, that would be awesome.
2 but perhaps he wants to make his own. Perhaps he wants materials only?


... if you do find a switch and there is a minimum order count me in.
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I am not speaking for anyone, just running a little tally that could possibly be revised and moved to a different thread if this does evolve into a co-op effort or "group buy" of sorts. I left out the number one as, well... that would be ME! Not often I get to have a "great idea" and be "#1" in the same thread!!:1st:

As for putting a value on your switch that is a tough call. Without knowing a material cost it is tough to name a pricepoint without potentially insulting your investment of time and your talents. I am open to discussion via PM as you requested.

I may have a connection for the bezel or sleeve you mentioned if you can give me precise specs... but it could be slow. I would need specific threads on ID, OD and a length... anything else you can think of to see if it is possible first of all, then an end-all quantity because it will likely be a single batch. It may be a "favor" sort of deal so I could not very easily go back for onesie-twosies. A favor would be to our benefit as it is not generally cheap to do custom precision machining of one-offs.

[XLexusTech]

IN for a switch already have a junk yard motor)

[JHunter]

Robert - Thank you for your support and for helping out on this venture.

The sleeve would need to be 3/8-32 inside and 1/2-28 on the outside, both of those are non-standard threads. However, I just had a "eureka" moment. By using the case of the old switch (removing the shaft and internal components) and threading the inside of the shaft to 3/8-32 and doing some other work, it will accept the original bezel, use the original cast locating tabs and accommodate the switch's anti-rotation tab. A little confusing written out - but for those that have a first gen Camaro/Firebird I could make the new switch fit using a portion of the old switch (no electrical parts, just a portion of the housing). I'd cut off the barrel portion of the old switch, so it would resemble a washer with a threaded shaft and locating tabs (blue and orange portion in the picture below).
Its like slipping a dead calf's hide on an orphan calf so momma accepts it - lol, thats my farm reference.

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Basically you'd end up with something that looked like a washer with a shaft on it - the 'washer' portion would have the lugs (orange) and the shaft (blue/red). Thread that over the new switches shaft (3/8-32) and use some thread lock and you have a new switch with an old face.




Gak68 - The switch is a Metri-Pack 280 part number 12176335. I've found a supplier for the housing, I just need to track down the gasket and terminals (not hard, just haven't done it yet). Here's a picture:
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Lexus - Ok, I'll add you to the list. Thanks

[JHunter]

Ok, as it stands, this is how I see the options if people want this setup:

1. Switch with mist/delay(4)/low/high with un-terminated wires encased in epoxy. This would be for those that want to splice it into their own pigtail from the junkyard or do their own thing. This is what I will be doing as I'm going to install a new bulkhead connector, so the wires will go to the bulkhead from the switch, then 'start again' on the engine side and go to the wipers plug.

2. Switch (same as above) with wires terminated but not inserted into the plug so you can pass the wires through a new hole in your firewall. I could source the plug so all you do is insert the terminated wires into the plug.

3. IF I can source a switch with a momentary first position you could have the same setup as 1 or 2, but the settings would be washer (momentary) / off / mist / delay (4) / low / high. I know there's one person (DarkoNova) holding out for that switch - and its what I would prefer as well. It just may be cost prohibitive. If I find that switch, then I'd send them all out that way. Again, the motor doesn't have a pump, but from a single switch you could operate a seperate pump that you source, but the switch would tell the pump and the wiper motor to activate in unison (see video).

If there's consensus between those options then I could run some costs and PM those that are interested in me making one up. If you just want the parts to make your own, I think I've listed out all the part numbers so far, but let me know if I've missed something. So far I've focused on 1st gen Camaros/Firebirds. This same switch works on any car you want to put the modern wiper motor in - but if its not a 1st gen Camaro, you'd just get the switch (either option) that has a 3/8 shaft. If you want me to make it fit a 1st gen Camaro/Firebird, you could send me your original switch so I can modify the housing (described in last post) or add ~$35.oo for a new switch to the cost (thats what Classic sells them for). It'd be smart to just send me the old switch since all I'd use is the shaft/case and $35 is a bit much to spend on a new switch that will be gutted - in my opinion anyway.

I'll figure out what length of wire would accommodate putting the wiper in its original location or hidden under a fender, and based on which option (1 or 2 above) give some extra length so you can do what you want to.

Right now I'm tracking that Robert, Gak68 and XLexustech are in - just let me know which option you'd like and if we have consensus I'll work the numbers.
One last thing (for now, sorry I know I'm wordy lol) - getting this together will take a bit, it took two weeks just to get my switch from the manufacturer - and like yall I'm sure, life gets in the way, so this won't be an overnight drop ship to your door kinda thing, but as soon as I have the parts in hand I'll start cranking them out. That's why I'd like to get a feel for how many to order so it won't take forever to get all the parts together.

[Roberts68]

Okay, I would be willing to sacrifice my switch, no problem. Nice discovery there!
Also; these new switched you have sourced... Do they accept the OEM style of knob? I have not looked at mine in a long while to see how it is attached.

My first preference would be to keep the washer within the wiper switch. Lots of ways to do a hidden switch for a washer pump but it seems worth it if it is all packaged.

Would you be cool with opening up the group anywhere else? Do you prefer a handful such as thus far? A fixed number like 5, 10 or?

I am in no rush, I have not driven my Camaro since '04! Prior to that Birthday was '97! Believe me, I know all about life getting in the way.

[JHunter]

I'm good with opening up to other groups, matter of fact I posted the same thing on Team Camaro, but little interest over there (more resto, less resto-mod crowd). I haven't done anything with other sites, Lat G might be a good one, but I don't frequent that site, so I don't want to come across the wrong way.

I'll shoot for a batch of 5 unless more folks jump on. I'm good making as many as are wanted, no real cap to it. I'd go with 10, but I don't want to get stuck with money tied up and no one wanting them. But if 20 people want them, I'll make 20. If only 3 want one then at least I won't have a ton of money tied up collecting dust. I'll do the numbers later tonight and see what the cost would be for 5 and PM those that have shown interest so far. Hopefully tomorrow the factory is open and I can see if they still make the momentary switch I'm after, if so I'll factor that price in (if its different) and send out an update.

As for the original knob, it will fit, you just have to drill it out to 1/4 inch. It's about 13/64 originally. Both old and new attach with a set screw on a flat side of the shaft.

I'm with you on not driving it in a while. I bought mine in '03 after deployment and have never (legally) driven it lol. Between deployments and moves its been a very long term project. I'm doing panel work now, maybe soon I'll get to the blocking stage.

[Thumpin'66]

I am interested, that is if the wiper motor will work in my 66 Chevelle.
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[JHunter]

Thumpin - From a quick search to see what kind of wiper switch you have, it will work. Basically any car that uses (or wants to I suppose) a rotary switch can use it. The shaft diameter is 3/8, and I'm assuming your stock switch has a diameter of 1/2. Again, just looking at some google images of your switch, might be able to do the same mod - tap the inside of your original switch's shaft and use the face of it to skin the new switch - that way the original locating tabs stay in place. The length of the new switch's shaft looks long enough to still have room to attach the factory knob. The selector shaft (the one the knob attaches to) is 1/4 with a flat.

The mounting of the actual wiper motor will take some fab - and that part I can't really help with (except that when I get to mounting mine under the fender, I'll post some pics)
I wrote your name down, and as soon as I come up with a price I'll shoot you a PM. Thanks

[JHunter]

UPDATE - I've pretty much given up on the below idea - the idea of having a washer function in the switch at the cost of most of the delays is not appealing. If I do find a momentary switch that works and retains all delay functions I'll post an update.

Alright - found a momentary switch (good news), but it has an 8 week lead time and only has 6 positions (bad news). To benefit from all the delay/mist options the motor can support, you need a minimum of 8 positions. On the switch with the momentary option, 4 of the 6 positions will be used for: Washer / Off / Low / High. That gives 2 open positions to pick which delay you want: Mist (20 second pause), Delay 1 (8 second pause), Delay 2 (4 second pause), Delay 3 (2 second pause) and Delay 4 (1 second pause).

Maybe I'm already spoiled, but I'm thinking the idea of having a washer function at the sacrifice of some of the delay positions is not really worth it. If I used the momentary switch I'd probably go with Delay 2 and Delay 4.
For me, personally, I think I'm just going to mount a small push button switch (the one I used in the video) under the lip of the dash to work the washer. Again, you can tie into the motor (gray wire) so that when you use the washer through a separate switch, the motor spins between 5 and 2 times (depending on how long you've sprayed the washer determines how many 'clean up' wipes the motor makes). So I'd have all the wiper delay options available, and as often as I use my washer (not often even in my truck), I'd just reach down a little to push the washer function.

I'm still finding the best prices for everything - but keeping in mind the 8 week lead time, when I PM those that are interested, if you want the momentary switch let me know which 2 delay options you want. You can see the little chart below to help: the top one is what you get with the momentary switch, the bottom is what the "standard" switch will have (the one I've been working with). Basically you can fill in the gray/blank spot in the first portion with an option from the gray portion below. Sorry, I'm a visual guy and did this so I could kinda see how it would work.

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[makoshark]

I would be interested in this as well. However, I really do not care for having the washer option on my car. I prefer to use RainX and clean the windshield the old fashion way:) By hand

[rossmacd]

Count me in for a switch. I'd take either with or without the washer function. No big deal either way. I'd love to save the time it would take to make my own, and my soldering skills aren't exactly awesome.

[JHunter]

Mako and Ross - I've got you on the list. I should be sending out a PM tomorrow (or today, since for some reason its 3 am and I'm still up).

Thanks guys

[regal454]

Count me in, and the washer function is not as important to me either. My windshield will never be that dirty, I would just like to have working wipers in case I'm ever caught in the rain.

[JHunter]

I've got you down Marc.

Right now I'm showing the following members would like a switch: Roberts68, rege454, XLexus, gak68, makoshark and rossmacd and a 'maybe' from Thumpin'66.

DarkNova - I'm striking out on the full function rotary switch.

[ccmc]

This is perfect timing. I just installed an S10 non-delay motor but had to use a SPDT on-off-on switch with two relays to make it work. I've been playing with the 85-90 ish gm wiper motor with the 5 wire square connector and I assume I can make it work with this wiring too. very similar. Though I have found different length output shafts. It looks like an astro van motor has a shaft long enough for an adapter plate. My 69 Camaro has a rectangular opening so I could go with a rotary knob and a momentary push button for the washer. Can you post a schematic with a push button wired in too?

I found that if you grind off the back of the ball stud (where it is peened over) for the wiper arm connection you can knock out the bigger ball from the newer motor and the smaller ball from the 1st Gen wiper will fit in the hole, then just tack weld the back to hold it in place.

[Roberts68]

I found that if you grind off the back of the ball stud (where it is peened over) for the wiper arm connection you can knock out the bigger ball from the newer motor and the smaller ball from the 1st Gen wiper will fit in the hole, then just tack weld the back to hold it in place.

Nice tidbit of advice there! Thanks

Jhunter, is there plenty of shaft length to the Caddy motor to go through a fabbed adapter plate for those wanting to install in the factory location?... on a 1st Gen Camaro that is. I like the hidden idea but am not looking to disassemble that far or "do significant paint", firewall or elsewhere right now.

[JHunter]

From the front face of the mounting lug on the Cadillac motor to the back side of the arm is 3/8". I've seen some posts where guys bend the arm etc to make it fit, but even at 3/8", it gives plenty of room to pass through the sheet metal and connect. For those starting with a fresh canvas of a smooth firewall etc, it should be as easy as drilling 4 holes (3 to mount, one for the shaft). There are two locating lugs on the motor (nipples) that align it in the original mounting bracket - those would probably need to be ground off (or just drill two more holes in the firewall for them to fit in). Also, the motor (the black motor housing) sticks out a little past the mounting lugs (closer to the firewall), so you'd have to use a little standoff which will obviously consume some portion of the 3/8" between the mounting lugs and the inside face of the arm. Its going to take some fab obviously, but for those working on a smooth firewall, especially one that you have access to from the backside, I don't see any need for an additional mounting plate. A foam gasket around the shaft and three washers/standoffs for the mounting lugs should be all you need.

The first picture you can see the straightedge against the motor case (in the background) and where it lines up with the shaft.
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But to answer your question - no, I can't see any reason that you'd have to do anything with the shaft to make it work. The arm may have to be adjusted depending on where you put it.
- as a side note, I'm starting to feel uncomfortable - I've said wipe, shaft, nipple and knob more in the last three days than I think is normal.

[gak68]

Thanks again for the picture, went down to the local junkyard today they didn't have a 2000 Deville, but they did have a 98 which used the same 8 pin plug, I bought it for $5 bucks. My wiper motor will be in tomorrow; this is getting exciting. My grand total is gonna be $100 for everything versus $325 for the DSE version and i will have more settings and it will look stock, thanks again for looking into this.

[JHunter]

gak - Did you decide which switch you were going to go with, or is that what you pulled from the 98?

[andrewb70]

Does anyone know what motor might have a recessed "park" position? I have one of the original DSE kits when they didn't have a recessed park version. It would sure be nice to swap in a different motor and keep the rest of the components.

Andrew

[Roberts68]

Not sure about Caddy's offering that Andrew but I have a loaded 2004 Buick Regal that uses a "Park" position.
Your Goat uses this? Am I misunderstanding you? When you say park do you mean park in the sense of the wipers stop consistent in the same spot as they all should or do you mean "tuck" as in the wipers drop out of sight when not in use?

The latter is what my '04 Regal has, and if you want more details, PN # etc just let me know. As I write this I am not certain how similar it is to the Caddy and would expect most modern GM's "tuck" when not in use.

Sorry if I misunderstood and muddied the waters.

[DarkoNova]

DarkNova - I'm striking out on the full function rotary switch.

That's fine, when I read that you'd have to give up some delay functions to get the washer function, I basically said the same thing as you: not worth it.

So I'm basically down for the #1 option with the epoxied switch with unterminated wires.

But I haven't been paying attention (at least to the actual motor part, I've been paying attention to the switch discussion), is this motor basically just a bolt on deal for 1st gen Camaros or is there some fab work involved? It looks like it's thinner than the stock one, but that's probably because the stock one has the washer pump in it.

[JHunter]

Alright gents, I've got enough interest in a switch to start making them. A couple things up front:
1. I can't/won't post the price in the forum, but will send you a PM with the cost.
2. Its only me working on this, so I will make them as fast as life allows and the suppliers send me the parts. I will make and ship them out in the order I receive payment.
3. If you send me money, you will get a working, tested switch. Until there is testimony from people that have used my switch, I know you'll have to take me at my word - but I'm an Eagle Scout and have been in the Army for 17 years, hopefully that gives me some credentials :)
4. As soon as I'm paid for 5 switches, I will order parts for 10. I want to make sure I'm not going to have a shelf of parts and a lighter wallet without commitment to buy.

Sound fair?

Here's what you get:

When paired up with your wiper motor (2000 Cadillac Deville - AC Delco part number 88958171).

- A new switch which has a Mist setting (20 sec delay), 4 delay settings (8/4/2/1 seconds) and a low and high speed.

- The ability to wire your washer pump to your wiper motor, so that when you use a separate switch to activate your washer pump, the wiper turns on and cleans the windshield - just like modern cars. This feature is not available on any system I am aware of on the market. Using other commercially available systems, the pump and wiper work separately requiring you to hit two buttons to clean your windshield. (See video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5ZQDHXG90k&feature=plcp) To be extra clear - this switch will not make your washer work - you will have to install a second switch to do that - but by tying in the supplied green wire to your washers positive terminal/wire, the wiper will work in unison with your washer.

- Switch will be encased in black, non-conductive epoxy. The switch case is approximately 1.6" Wide x 1.8" Deep.

- The option to have the wires depart from the epoxy case from the rear or side. (Indicate your preference when you order. If you want them exiting from the side, they will exit near the end of the epoxy housing)

- 3' of wire, terminated in the correct Metri-Pack terminals (14ga and 20ga wires).
---Red 20ga - Power to switch from an ignition switched, fused source.
---White 20ga - High speed from switch to motor.
---Blue 20ga - Speed input / low speed from switch to motor.
---Yellow 14ga - Power to motor from ignition switched, fused source.
---Black 14ga - Ground to motor.
---Green 20ga - From motor to owner provided washer pump.

- The correct Metri-Pack connector to plug into the wiper motor.

- Wiring diagram, to include how to wire the Metri-pack housing and how to tie into your washer pump (green wire).


Notes:
New from a parts store the wiper motor costs approximately $110, and from a junkyard they can typically be had for $40. This puts your total investment well below the cost of the system currently on the market, and with more functionality.

The mounting shaft of the new switch is 3/8" and the internal stalk is 1/4" (the part the knob mounts too). Most vintage switches have a 1/2" threaded shaft. I may be able to modify the case of your old switch to allow the new switch to fit back in your dash with no additional fabrication. Let me know the year/make/model of your vehicle and I should be able to determine if your old switch's case can be used. If so, you will need to send me your old switch, bezel ring, nut and knob so I can modify it. None of the electrical/mechanical parts of your old switch will be reused. Your old switch will not be returned, whether I am successful or not - so if you have some rare NOS, 1 of 1 wiper switch, don't send it to me. I will return the bezel, nut and knob regardless of my reskinning success. No, I'm not collecting old switches, it will be taken apart to determine if it can be modified - you won't want it back if I'm not successful, trust me. I need the bezel and knob to ensure you have enough stalk to reattach the knob.
If your original switch's stalk is smaller than 1/4", I will NOT drill/bore the knob to fit (I don't want to risk damaging your knob). If you would like me to re-skin your new switch with your old switch's face, I will send you my mailing address. See picture below for reskinning concept. The threaded shaft diameter of your old switch must be 1/2", and the inside stalk can be no larger than 3/8" for this to potentially work.

The switch will not activate a washer pump. Just like the other system on the market, you will have to install another switch to activate the pump. However, unlike the other system, I provide the ability to tap into the washer pump so that the wiper motor cleans the windshield as you activate the washer pump. This way you can clean the windshield without having to work two switches at the same time like the other system.

The mounting of the wiper motor is up to you.

Disclaimer: I am a hobbyist just like you, I just happen to have figured out how to make a 2000 Cadillac wiper motor work in any car. I work out of my garage in my free time, I don't own a shop or have employees. The bottom line - don't sue me if you get tangled up in the wires and fall.

Thanks,

John (JHunter)

Some not-so-great pictures of my first run:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2449-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2450-1.jpg

Here is what you get:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/updated-1.jpg

I can attempt to reskin the new switch with the face of your old switch (the face of the old switch housing). This should explain it a little better:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/Slide21-1.jpg


Thanks guys -

[andrewb70]

Not sure about Caddy's offering that Andrew but I have a loaded 2004 Buick Regal that uses a "Park" position.
Your Goat uses this? Am I misunderstanding you? When you say park do you mean park in the sense of the wipers stop consistent in the same spot as they all should or do you mean "tuck" as in the wipers drop out of sight when not in use?

The latter is what my '04 Regal has, and if you want more details, PN # etc just let me know. As I write this I am not certain how similar it is to the Caddy and would expect most modern GM's "tuck" when not in use.

Sorry if I misunderstood and muddied the waters.

Robert,

What I mean by "park" is what you refer to as "tuck." The 68-72 GTOs had this feature with the stock wiper system. So when the wiper were ser to Intermittent they would pop out and sweep across the windshield. Once turned off, they would tuck back down.

Andrew

[JHunter]

...is this motor basically just a bolt on deal for 1st gen Camaros or is there some fab work involved? It looks like it's thinner than the stock one, but that's probably because the stock one has the washer pump in it.

Not exactly bolt in. It is thinner however because on the Caddy model the motor is turned 90 degrees whereas our original motors are in line with the shaft that connects to the wiper transmission.
If you want to put it where the original one was, it will take some fab work. The hole in the firewall is too big for the new motor. If you're starting with a flat/smooth firewall (or tucking it under your drivers fender), it shouldn't be too hard. I haven't mounted mine yet - but from looking at the face of the motor and reading others posts, it looks like drilling 4 holes (3 to mount, one for the shaft) and adding some stand-offs / washers between the firewall and motor should work. I haven't really focused on mounting the motor yet, but I'm pretty comfortable that as long as you can reach the back side to tighten the bolts into the motor, it should be possible to do it without a plate. The shaft will get past the firewall, but there's not a lot of room to play with. Either route you go (original or altered), as long as the shafts splines make it past the firewall with a bit of clearance (no scientific term), you can exagerate the S shape of the arm to gain more rotational clearance - make sense at all?

[JHunter]

Robert,

What I mean by "park" is what you refer to as "tuck." The 68-72 GTOs had this feature with the stock wiper system. So when the wiper were ser to Intermittent they would pop out and sweep across the windshield. Once turned off, they would tuck back down.

Andrew

Andrew - The park/tuck feature isn't available on the motor from the Deville. Here's a link to a page that has a picture of the back side of a DSE motor with the park/tuck feature http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=196384&page=4 (about a 1/3rd of the way down the page). Its a mechanical system that retracts the arms down lower when turned off - can't begin to wrap my mind around how it works.

[gak68]

I got the 8 pin metripak plug off the deville, tomorrow I am supposed my parts are supposed to come in to see about that switch.

[JHunter]

Little update - PMs have been sent to those that expressed interest. If I get 5 payments I'll order the parts to make 10 switches.

My non-standard tap should be in tomorrow so I can reskin my switch with the face from my original Camaro switch and confirm the concept.

[Roberts68]

Robert,

What I mean by "park" is what you refer to as "tuck." The 68-72 GTOs had this feature with the stock wiper system. So when the wiper were ser to Intermittent they would pop out and sweep across the windshield. Once turned off, they would tuck back down.

Andrew

I looked at my '04 Regal and unfortunately the wiper motor is hidden from direct line of sight... likely under the cowl. I wish I could have been more help without... well, being more help. :P I really didn't want to take anything apart. I just figured GM likely has some of their parts standardized so I threw that in there.

Perhaps some Search-Fu on my part would have been prudent before just tossing that out there. I was unaware that "hidden wipers" even went back that far.

[JHunter]

Reskinned my switch tonight. Works perfect - the original bezel mates up, the dashboard sees the switch as if it was the original switch and there's enough stalk to attach the knob.

Parts laid out
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2483-1.jpg

Switch reskinned
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2485-1.jpg

Bezel on the reskinned switch
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2486-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2487-1.jpg

Bezel nut attached
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2489-1.jpg

Knob attached (mine is bent)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2488-1.jpg

[arue333]

Can you put me down for a switch?

[Roberts68]

That looks fantastic! Great workmanship, pictures and description.

Oh, and congrats on earning your Eagle. My son is a Webolos, we are enjoying Scouting together.

[JHunter]

Thomas - PM sent

Robert - Thanks. It was a challenge (Eagle) to stay with it as I got older, but it paid off. I'm guessing that you have a house full of Boy Scout popcorn right now lol.
I was stoked that the reskin worked out like I hoped it would.

[CKreations]

What an awesome job. Thanks for taking on such a cool project!

[JHunter]

Thanks CK, this has been fun. I'm still kinda amazed that I was able to crack the code & end up with extra functionality. Now if I could just get my fenders aligned lol

[Roberts68]

I will get my switch pulled either tomorrow or at the latest this weekend for sure. You should have an email confirming payment shortly if not already.

I can remember when I had time and no parts and no money. Now that I have parts, and occasionally some money where did the time go?

Thanks again! I will take a look at the other items you mentioned via PM ASAP.

[JHunter]

Thanks Robert - you'll get the first switch. If I could figure out how to serial number these things, yours would be #0001 (but I get to keep the prototype, so in 20 years mine will be worth more to collectors of "John's Wonderful Wiper" lol.

[JHunter]

Gents - I've had some questions on the mounting of the actual wiper motor. Up front, here's my disclaimer: Based on numerous variables such as make/model/year as well as placement (smooth firewall / original location etc), the following is for reference.

The motor in the pictures below is mounted to plexiglass for demonstration. Thats nifty because you can see the 'layers', but also means at certain angles the picture might look odd as the motor floats in mid air.

On a flat/smooth firewall, or if you weld sheetmetal over your existing wiper motors hole, you will need to add 'standoffs' to ensure the motor (the actual motor, in the black canister on the new motor housing) clears the firewall. The standoffs / washers need to be at least 1/8". Mounted to the plexiglass, which is thicker than sheetmetal obviously, you still have 1/8" of space between the firewall and the inside face of the arm on the shaft. The measurement is actually .150 (but again, that's with thicker plexiglass, so you'll gain a bit more clearance on sheetmetal.)

You'll also see that I drilled two holes for the locating lugs (tits), but when I mount mine to the firewall I'm going to grind those off as the three bolts will locate the motor just fine.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/ppt30E4pptmAutosaved-1.jpg

Without legend
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2491-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2496-1.jpg

Backside showing standoffs
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/clearance-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2492-1.jpg

Front side showing firewall / arm clearance
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/10/IMG_2494-1.jpg

As I've mentioned before, in theory and now I believe I've shown it, I see no need for a special "plate". As long as you can reach the backside (which you have to be able to do in order to attach the arm and linkage), you don't need a plate. Three 1/8" spacers and drill 4 holes and it should mount up just fine. Again, if you want to put it in the original location, I would suggest welding a flat piece of sheet metal over the original hole since it is larger, then drill the 4 required holes.

[Roberts68]

Great visual!

For a final install it should be possible to source either an 1/8" thick washer or possibly a machine bushing would work. As long as you could get correct ID & suitable OD.

In my case, unless I change my mind I will probably stay in the stock location with a fabbed plate. I would cover the original hole with the plate to make up the difference.

If I was to mount in stock location on a smoothed firewall I would consider some reinforcement to the firewall on the backside. When I worked on buses I saw what sort of wear and tear a wiper motor can eventually cause. Not that anyone with these types of cars will see as many wiper usage cycles as a decade old school bus in MN, but it is better to prevent damage by overbuilding than come back to repair damage if it occurs.

The one advantage of these "nipples", or are they "tits" now John? Is that they do not loosen. They will fight rotational torque even if a fastener loosens so esssentially there are 5 mounts... except the one is likely a locating pin for easier mounting during assembly on the line.

[JHunter]

Great point on the rotational force Robert. I suppose that's why the original motor was attached with rubber pads. I used washers for the test/demo, but your right again, I'll use something better suited for the task.
Sorry about the "tits", its what my dad always called anything that protruded from an item and it became a bit of a joke ~ 'you gotta grab that tit with a pair of needle nose pliers'.

[Roberts68]

:smoke:No apology necessary. Raise your hand if you don't appreciate seeing a nice pair... anyone?
Yeah, as I thought.:cheers:

[JHunter]

I've posted the switch for sale in the classified section, using the new Enthusify application https://www.pro-touring.com/classifieds.php?mshow=listing&id=wiper-delay-switch-the-missing-link-for-late-model-wipers-in-vintage-cars-617 . I don't suppose I can post a link to the website I made last night directly in this forum since I'm not a sponsor. But if you go to the classified section, look for the delay wiper switch you'll find a link with details on the switch as well as how to buy it. I've added wiring diagrams, the donor cars you can get the wiper motor from (there are more than what I listed), as well as an initial write up on how to mount the motor. Regardless of whether or not you want to buy my switch, I think there's some useful information on that page.

In addition, I did a new video that highlights the washer to wiper link. It still has that awkward silence while I wait the longest 20 seconds of my life when the wiper is in the mist setting lol.


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[DarkoNova]

When I first saw the "tits" comment I lol'd. I have a different word for stuff that sticks up like that, and if anyone watches Metalocalypse, you can probably figure it out lol.

But man, if I didn't have so much to do just to get the Nova on the road I'd buy one of these right now. It's already been raining here lately so I NEED this, but working wipers don't do me much good if the car is just sitting in the driveway lol.

Definitely a must have item for me. :smoke:

[JHunter]

I hear ya, my Camaro has been a project for 10 years - its pretty sad. I've driven it once, with no glass installed at 2 in the morning on a back road. Wear goggles if you attempt that, June bugs hurt when they smack you in the face at high speeds lol. Definitely not one of my smarter moves lol.

I've still got you on the list so when the timing is right just give me a shout.

A little update on parts for those that are following - all parts should be in by the 23rd. I went ahead and ordered enough components to make 10 switches. If this takes off I'll get a rhythm down as far as ordering parts ahead of time so there isn't as much lag time. I've just been hesitant ordering the parts and then having to find uses for them around the house if they don't sell - Christmas ornaments anyone? lol
For those that have paid for a switch, I would anticipate having them in the mail to you no later than the 29th and I'm going to shoot for the 26th.

[gak68]

Here is my wiper motor mounted up. It's just mocked up. I decided to do an aluminum plate to mount it to the firewall. I got a little creative to mount it to the wiper transmission. I had an old wiper motor, so I removed the main shaft, cut it down to the length I wanted, then drilled the main shaft and slipped it over the Cadillac wiper motor shaft. The only thing I don't know is if I should flip the motor the other way to give me more room for my engine and for the wiper plug to face towards where I plan on having wires enter/exit the engine compartment.

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[Roberts68]

Gak68, I don't know for a fact that it won't also work that way but your motor is upside down compared to the ones I have seen. My friend had the DSE setup in his '69 'Bird with a Pontiac motor and it cleared well. The motor was clocked toward the master cylinder.

[JHunter]

Gak - that looks great, nicely done. I agree with Robert, most that I've seen have the can facing outboard, but it might clear. Did you make the plate yourself?

[gak68]

Yea. I just mocked it up with some paper, then cut it out with a bandsaw. I had some .250 aluminum laying around; kinda thick. I might flip the motor over tomorrow. I went online tonight and noticed that DSE are the other way too.

[gak68]

Tested out the motor today and they wipe perfectly and return to rest, the motor is nice and smooth; quiet too. I don't know if anyone else has one, but radio shack sells a regulated power source that puts out a steady 13.8 volts I use it all the time for electrical projects and problems.

*Edit, I ended up flipping the motor around, it is alot more out of the way and gives me easier access to my firewall mounting bolts.

[Roberts68]

Would you have a part number for the power regulator? I can hardly get myself to enter the local radio shack because the staff drive me crazy with their questions and they rarely ever have what I am after on hand anyway.
Seems I always leave there crabby wondering why I stopped in.
Glad to hear your system works great!
Thanks for the regulator idea, might be a good idea for a fuel pump... but what if the voltage supplied drops below the output? How does the regulator deal with that?

[gak68]

Would you have a part number for the power regulator? I can hardly get myself to enter the local radio shack because the staff drive me crazy with their questions and they rarely ever have what I am after on hand anyway.
Seems I always leave there crabby wondering why I stopped in.
Glad to hear your system works great!
Thanks for the regulator idea, might be a good idea for a fuel pump... but what if the voltage supplied drops below the output? How does the regulator deal with that?

Sorry, I should have been more specific this is a unit that plugs into your wall outlet and converts your household current to 13.8 volts, so you can easily bench test electronics or test your auto wiring projects.

[Roberts68]

Oh wow! Classic example of two minds going in different directions.
That's alright though, Still sounds handy to have if you can still give more info. PN # And Price?

[gak68]

Oh wow! Classic example of two minds going in different directions.
That's alright though, Still sounds handy to have if you can still give more info. PN # And Price?

I guess radio shack discontinued it. P/N 22-504. But here is a similar device on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Racers-Edge-13-5V-Output-Supply/dp/B004Q0547Y/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_4

[carbuff]

Google or search Radio Shack's site for part number 7812. That is a 12V voltage regulator. However, I don't think it will source enough current for a fuel pump. I think they have a 1A limit...

I used a 7805 for something radio related in my C6...

[JHunter]

Robert - Got your old switch in the mail today so I can reskin it. Man, you're old switch is in way better shape than mine was - almost hate to cut it up lol. Thanks again for your order - yours is first out the door as soon as the parts come in. Still looking good for the last parts getting here on the 23rd.

[Roberts68]

Thanks John,
Yeah, it did fare pretty well for it's age... I was born 3 years later and show more wear & tear!
I didn't even play with it to see if it still functioned electrically but mechanically it had a good feel to it.
If it was not the switch then it must be my motor because I remember my wipers were pretty sketchy to inoperable.

[JHunter]

Surprise today when I got home - three boxes at the door with all the components for the switches a few days earlier than expected. I'm about to start soldering :)
Those that have indicated they want a switch - and those 2,143 people that have viewed this thread, I'm taking orders and payments now :)

https://sites.google.com/site/huntersswitch/

[Roberts68]

That website looks great! Thanks for the update on your offering. I am looking forward to seeing mine.

[PT Sportwagon]

Wow, I so need to do this with the wagon. need to see about finding a slide switch that will work, to replicate the factory one.

Tim

[JHunter]

Tim - Someone else mentioned a slider switch (that one was for a 69 Camaro). I did a quick search of existing (new) slider switches and didn't find anything that would work. But the next time I'm at a junkyard I'm going to grab one (generic) to play around with. I have an idea about how to modify an OEM switch to get all the functionality. I can't invest to much time in it, but I do enjoy trying to figure these things out.

Robert & Redpine - Both of your switches were shipped out today. Hopefully they'll be there before the weekend. Thanks again for your orders. Now I just need to sell 8 more, or my family will be getting some really odd looking Christmas ornaments this year :)

[Roberts68]

Cool, I enjoy looking forward to parts! I will be out waiting by the mail box...:candle:

I hope some of the guys that spoke up earlier throw their proverbial hats in the ring so that family of yours can get something a little more appropriate for Christmas.

Thanks!!

[JHunter]

Me too Robert!

I'm looking up the information regarding the packard connectors - been a busy day today, but I'll get back to you soon. Thanks again

[overZealous1]

awesome! thanks for doing the footwork on this one for everyone! will be following it once i get to wipers.............in a few years. lol

[JHunter]

Thanks Vinny - I don't have my windshield in yet, so I'm with ya on not needing the wipers just yet :)

[Roberts68]

I got my switch today! Looks great, excellent attention to detail. I really appreciate the personalized label too. Nice touch.
Thanks John!

[JHunter]

Thanks Robert!

I dropped my price a bit - you can find the switch listed in the enthusify classified section. A metric crap ton of views, but only two sales - anyone wanna give me some feedback? Shoot me a PM.

[ammoyer]

Andrew had mentioned being interested in the motor that had the recessed park. From what I've found the following cars come with the funky mechanism under the wiper motor that allows for the recessed park feature.

Buick Century 05-97, Regal 04-97
Chevy Impala 05-00, Monte 05-00
Olds Intrigue 02-98
Pontiac Grand Prix 03-97

I pulled one from a Grand Prix but I have not had a chance to investigate the mechanism yet.

[ryeguy2006a]

Not sure what years they are, but the 99 Z28 Camaro I had and the 94 Camaro I had both had the park functions.

[Rucumn]

Thanks Robert!

I dropped my price a bit - you can find the switch listed in the enthusify classified section. A metric crap ton of views, but only two sales - anyone wanna give me some feedback? Shoot me a PM.


John,

I just placed my order for your switch for my '67 chevelle build! Great Work....can't wait to wire it in. Need to pick up a motor now.

How will I know once it is shipped? Closing in on holiday travel around the 20th of the month.

Thanks,
Hugh

[JHunter]

Hugh - I saw your order earlier today, Thank you! I'm out of town right now, will be home tomorrow and then head back out for a week on the road for work on Sunday (been a very busy month so far). I have a switch already put together, I just need to apply the epoxy case and I should be able to get it in the mail on Saturday. As soon as I mail it out I'll shoot you a PM.
Thanks again, and hope you like the switch!

[Rucumn]

John - I have sent you a PM. Trying to find the right motor and I think I have it nailed down, but the P/N might be different??? Also, I just want the wires out the back and I was wondering about modifying my switch so that I can use the factory bezel ('67 chevelle).

[JHunter]

Hugh - I just PM'd you back - sorry for the delay. If you have any more questions just let me know. I hit the road for another week of work on Sunday so after Sunday it might be a bit before I can reply. I love my job :)
I forgot to add in the PM though that if you mail me your original switch for modification, please include the bezel ring and nut. I haven't done a Chevelle switch yet, so I want to make sure the bezel ring and nut will fit back on correctly.

[JHunter]

Hey guys, just wanted to report that sales have picked up a bit (THANK YOU!!!) and I now only have 4 switches left. If I get orders past what I have on hand, I'll order more - and hopefully those switches that have been sent out will spur more interest.

[Roberts68]

That is good news John! I realized the other day I should have asked for a motor for Christmas. My girlfriend was after me to put a list together and I really didn't know what to ask for.

Anyway, Merry Christmas!

[Steve68]

John, got checks, look for one in your mail box, next week, it is saturday,

[JHunter]

Robert - Maybe you should leave pictures of the motor (with part number) laying around the house as a hint lol. I think every kid did that with the toy catalogs back in the day. I still ended up getting socks and underwear lol.
Steve - I've got yours all ready to go, and hope you enjoy it. Thanks again.

Merry Christmas guys, and thanks again for your interest and support.

[projex]

Nice job on all the mock ups and the research!

Randy

[JHunter]

Thanks Randy, I appreciate your comments.

If everything works out like I hope, I will be smoothing my firewall soon and will be able to document the mounting of the motor and switch with better pictures. I'll post them here as well as on the website.

Merry Christmas guys!

[1989GTA]

Just saw this thread. Put me down as I am very interested. I will be doing this to a 1965 Buick Skylark.

[JHunter]

GTA - Right now I've got 4 potential orders and only 2 switches left. After the last two are sold there will be a couple weeks delay in getting the switches sent out because it takes some time for the vendors to get the parts to me. I'm a little leery of ordering the parts just yet because I don't want to get stuck with a bunch of parts and no orders. But know that if you order a switch, you'll get one just as soon as the parts come in. I won't wait until 10 people want a switch to order the parts, which was my original idea, so know that if you order a switch, you'll get one as soon as I have the parts (if I've run out) or as soon as I can build them (usually no more than a week from payment).

Thanks for your interest, and hope I'm able to help you.

[PT Sportwagon]

Any luck finding a slide switch that would work? I may just do a standard switch.

Tim

[JHunter]

Tim - I did some digging, and came up empty. I can't remember off the top of my head, but the closest I found only had 4 or 5 positions and they were smaller than the original switches. I had thought that I could take apart an original switch and cut the original contact into separate segments to get the 8 positions, but after looking at it (on line, not in person) it looks like even if that was possible, each contact point would be so small you'd only move the slider a fraction of an inch and it would go to the next position and probably drive people nuts trying to find the position they want. Basically, trying to get 8 (or 7) positions in the amount of space the factory fit 2 or 3 positions is a challenge I haven't found a solution to. Next time I'm at a junkyard I may look for an old slider switch to mess around with to see if I can get at least 5 positions out of it, as a proof of concept.
Thanks for your question and interest.

[JHunter]

Guys - I'll have one switch left after I fill a pending order, and am curious if there's still some lingering interest out there. When I order the components I order them in a batch of 10 to lower the cost so I wanted to see if there were some folks out there still considering picking up a switch in the future.
Any guys on the fence or considering picking up a switch?

[birdsandbowties]

YES ! i am right in the process of building a 98 gmc x-cab for a driver, i took out the crappy broken plastic dash and building a metal one and aftermarket wiring/vintage air, i am so happy to have found this today, i was fretting over delay wipers, so which wiper motor do i need to use or can i use the 98 truck motor ? put me down for one switch please, thanks so much you made my day !!!! Jim

[JHunter]

Jim - Good deal, I'll add you to the list. I'll probably order another batch of parts towards the end of Feb or beginning of March. As for the wiper motor, I just did a quick google search of your 98 GMC wiper motor and while it looks similiair in some respects, the connector is different and I can't vouche for the wiring diagram.
Your best bet is to get a new or used wiper motor from one of these vehicles:
Buick LeSabre Custom 2000 2005
Buick LeSabre Limited 2000 2005
Cadillac Deville (N/A - Base) 2000 2005
Cadillac Deville DHS 2001 2004
Cadillac Deville DTS 2001 2005
Oldsmobile Aurora (N/A - Base) 2001 2003
Pontiac Bonneville (N/A - Base) 2000 2003
Pontiac Bonneville GPX 2004 2005
Pontiac Bonneville SE 2004 2005
Pontiac Bonneville SLE 2004 2005

I've got some more details on the website: https://sites.google.com/site/huntersswitch/home/wiper-motor---donor-vehicle
The good news based on looking at the wiper motor you have, is that mounting up the "Cadillac" motor shouldn't be a problem. You may have to change/modify the arm that attaches to the motor's shaft to get the right pitch/angle etc, but should be pretty easy.

[Todd in Vancouver]

I'm a long way from being ready to install but if you need another sale in an upcoming batch than count me in for one. Just shoot me a note when you are ready but I'm about a year out at least. But I'm going to want one now or then so I'll take one whenever you are ready.

BTW I agree your are a very talented person :cheers:

[JHunter]

Thanks Todd, I appreciate it. I get a little nervous when it comes time to reinvest in the parts to make more switches, so it's good to know there's still interest out there. It seems sporadic, I'll go a few weeks with nothing then I'll get a couple orders. I'm happy with that, I'd have my hands full if they were flying off the shelf lol. I'll mark you down on my list as interested and make sure there's one available when you're ready.

[JHunter]

Just ordered parts to make 10 more switches. If any of you guys that have installed the switch wouldn't mind posting pictures etc, I'd appreciate seeing how it worked out for you.

[JHunter]

For those that have picked up a switch from me - I'd be grateful if you wouldn't mind emailing me or PMing me some pictures of your installation or feedback. I'd like to add a page to my website that shows how you installed the wiper motor, your feedback on the switch and any comments you have. I've had orders for everything from F100's to VW bugs and Camaros and Mustangs.

[srh3trinity]

I am interested in a switch the next time you run a batch. I will send you a PM.

[JHunter]

Stephen - I've got a few made up and ready to go. Just replied to your PM - Thanks

[XLexusTech]

Guys if anyone is interested I punted and bought the DSE kit... i ahve a motor and switch.. 75.00 plus shipping.

[1989GTA]

What is the diameter of the threads on the switch? Are they .375" or there abouts?

[JHunter]

The threaded portion is 3/8" and the inner shaft that the knob attaches to is 1/4 with a flat on one side for the knob set screw to attach to.

[Stupidnewbie]

Bumping this for JHunter. His site says he's not currently making them but he might make another run this spring if there's people interested. I really need this switch!

[72BBSwinger]

Im in if it will work with the 01 Neon wiper motor im gonna use.

[JHunter]

Bumping this for JHunter. His site says he's not currently making them but he might make another run this spring if there's people interested. I really need this switch!


Hey SMARTnewbie (lol) - thanks for the bump. I have had 5 folks email me from my website over the last two months expressing interest in the switch. I just sent them all an email to see if they are still interested, not sure if you emailed me or not on there, but if I have interest from 5 people, I'll order enough parts to make 10 more switches. My move (out of the country) is coming up faster than I'd like, so I'm a bit nervous about over-committing myself, but I'll run another batch if there's enough interest. Thanks for your interest.



Im in if it will work with the 01 Neon wiper motor im gonna use.

72BBSwinger - Sorry, the switch only works on the GM wiper motor listed on my page - the list of "donor cars" can be found here: https://sites.google.com/site/huntersswitch/home/wiper-motor---donor-vehicle

[2yellow69]

Count me in! Now that DSE has raised the price on their set up I'm gonna piece it together from your list of parts. Let me know when you are ready and I'll send you the money.
Thanks!

[Twentyover]

Deal me in also

[JHunter]

Thanks guys - I've placed an order for the parts tonight. Out of respect for the paying vendors/advertisers (and the very gracious admin that have tolerated me), please PM me if you're interested.
It will take a while for the parts to come in, but I've ordered enough parts to make 20 switches - 7 are on earmarked for those that have emailed or posted on here.

For what its worth - I didn't come up with this idea to sell the switch and make money, I just started having guys ask me if I'd make one for them and I did. I've got a more-than-full time job that keeps me busy, and don't make enough on the switch to warrant being a paying advertiser/vendor, but I'm happy to provide the switch to guys that want to do build their own system. Admin - please, if I've crossed the line, feel free to pull this thread down. I removed my website from my signature line as we discussed previously. I want to keep it within the lines on here because I really appreciate the work you do to keep the site operational.

[Roberts68]

I wish I could provide you with some installed pictures of Switch Number 1 but it resides in a box to this day. I can say nothing but good things about the transaction with JHunter and would recommend this route to anyone.

I had not seen your website (https://sites.google.com/site/huntersswitch/home/wiper-motor---donor-vehicle), somehow I missed a bunch of updates to this thread along the way. You did a really nice job on the website to say the least.

[JHunter]

Thanks Robert - I appreciate the kind words. Switch #1 will be in a museum one day! lol.

Just a little update to everyone - I got all the parts in tonight and have started making up the switches. I went ahead and ordered parts to make 20 switches. But no kidding, after these 20 are gone, I won't be able to make any more for 2 years while I'm out of the country. Once I get the first 10 made (got 3 completed tonight), I'll contact everyone on the waiting list, both those that contacted me on here as well as through the site.

[JHunter]

Just sent a PM to everyone I have on the waiting list.

[OldSchoolFormula]

I want in!

[Stupidnewbie]

Payment sent! Glad this thread bump worked out.

[2yellow69]

Got mine today!! Looks great! Thanks John!

[JHunter]

Glad you're happy with it Matt, and thanks again!


Got mine today!! Looks great! Thanks John!

[67Norcal]

A friend of mine just bought a '69 RS and I'm helping him with the electrical. Has anyone I found a slide or lever style switch that has delay? The 2 speed switch is only $40 but he wants to upgrade and isn't paying $500 for the DSE system. Looks nice but the '69 switch isn't a rotary.
Any luck finding a slide switch that would work? I may just do a standard switch.

Tim

[gray86hach]

Nice

I just noticed dse almost doubled the price.

I am looking to see if anyone has put one on a 79 z28

Tim

[67Norcal]

I found a slider switch for a 1967 Mustang - has anyone looked at this? FM6768WI- 1967/68 Mustang Intermittent Windshield Wiper Switch (http://musclecarswitch.com/products.html). It might work but Ford switches 12 volts so that needs to be modified.
Nice

I just noticed dse almost doubled the price.

I am looking to see if anyone has put one on a 79 z28

Tim

[gray86hach]

The slider switch is not a big deal. The switch he is making will work I am just wondering about the motor being mounted o n the firewall and the park.

Tim

[67Norcal]

The switch he is making will work
TimAre we talking about Hunter's switch?

[gray86hach]

Yes his switch

It is similar to the dse one we have in dads chevelle.

My main concern is mounting the motor to the car.

Tim

[67Norcal]

I have seen the DSE rotary and it doesn't look right for a '69 since it came with a slider switch. And you're right Hunter's switch is good if you wnat a rotary.
Yes his switch

It is similar to the dse one we have in dads chevelle.

My main concern is mounting the motor to the car.

Tim

[saltfuture]

Can we please get a re-up of all the missing pictures in this thread?

[Roberts68]

Can we please get a re-up of all the missing pictures in this thread?

Did you try his website (https://sites.google.com/site/huntersswitch/)?

Hey John... come home safe and Thank you for your Service. :usa:

[JHunter]

Can we please get a re-up of all the missing pictures in this thread?

Salt - Sorry, they are on my desktop computer sitting in a moving company's warehouse back in the States.


Did you try his website (https://sites.google.com/site/huntersswitch/)?

Hey John... come home safe and Thank you for your Service. :usa:

Robert - Thanks again, already counting the days! Doesn't help that after 11 years of working on my Camaro, I finally painted it two weeks before I left. Now its sitting in a storage unit waiting for me to get home. Ughhhh.

[gray86hach]

When will you be home. I need one of these.

Tim

[JHunter]

When will you be home. I need one of these.

Tim

Tim - It'll be two years before I'm back in the States, but I just sent you a PM.
Thanks -
John

[saltfuture]

Well, crap. I guess I'm just gonna have to wait too.

[mikewoods]

I have a switch and pigtail that i bought from John and never used as well as a wiper motor and trans from a deville that I'll sell.

[gray86hach]

I messed with the switch it works great. Trying to use it with hidden wipers. I thing it will work just need to fleet it mounted in the car.

Tim

[Richard454]

I found this post...-but was disappointed it would not work w/ "hide-away" wipers!!!



My wipers park or hideaway-which I haven't found anything that will work correctly- so here's how I did it-

https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/118505-New-way-to-add-Delay-intermittent-Wipers-w-hideawy-version



In the car-notice in delay sweeps once -doesn't park-stop mid stream parks when turned off-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCEQvkqdfUA

[JHunter]

Guys - I've received some emails and PMs recently and just wanted to post a quick update on here - I'll be back in the States this summer and after I get settled in, I can make more switches by fall. I'll post another update on here and the webpage to "officially" establish a wish/want list and go from there.

Thanks - John

[Roberts68]

It's nice to hear from you John. Thanks again for switch #1 and more importantly, your service.

[JHunter]

Some have reached out recently asking for a switch, and now that I'm back in the States I'm back up and running. I have ordered parts for 20 switches, and have 8 headed out the door in the next few days. If you are interested in a switch, please shoot me a PM.

[parsonsj]

I'm a happy customer. I even adapted John's kit for use with RainGear's hidden wiper setup.

https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/110261-MCB-in-now-offering-RAINGEAR-Hidden-Windshield-Wiper-Systems-Special-Intro-SALE!?highlight=hidden+wiper+kit

[Roberts68]

Some have reached out recently asking for a switch, and now that I'm back in the States I'm back up and running. I have ordered parts for 20 switches, and have 8 headed out the door in the next few days. If you are interested in a switch, please shoot me a PM.

Welcome back John, good to hear from you.

[JHunter]

Thanks guys! It's great to be back and I appreciate the feedback. Glad to know that the switch worked for the Raingear system - that's a bonus for sure. Relative to their system, while my switch is made with a specific GM wiper motor in mind (the components I use are matched specifically to what the motor is "looking for"), it is a positive feed switch, meaning it puts out an array of positive/positive resistance current.
Glad you are both happy and hope all is well!

John

[JHunter]

All - I have run out of stock on the components to make more switches, and during my two years overseas, the prices have gone up (as well as shipping).
As of now, I am taking pre-order requests, but the price has grown to $140.00 per unit. I hate to raise the price, but the last batch of 20 switches I ate the increase in the components and shipping and can't really do that any more.
Please shoot me an email if you are interested. It takes me time to build these switches, but if you can wait for me to get pre-orders for 10, I will buy the parts to make 20 which is what I did the last time. I simply can't afford to order the parts with no pre-orders to at least give me some assurance that I will be able to sell them all. Thanks again for all of your support.