Venting Ricks Tank

[toofun]

Ok so I know this has been a problem for many. And I have researched this same problem before. But am a little confused. So I have a Ricks tank with the vent hole facing toward the rear differential. I was told by Ricks to put a 1/4 inch barbed to 3/8 fitting to this hole and run a hose above the tank with a breather on it... So questions are..

1. Will I still puke fuel through this venting system?

2. Do I need to install a roll valve before the hose?

3. Can I run a hose up and to the back of the car and attach it to a canister of some sort(if so which one) and then put a breather on the end of the hose coming out of the canister? People talk about running charcoal canisters but what prevents fuel from going up into the canister soaking the charcoal and then drain back into the tank? Do they sell a charcoal breather that I can put after the canister to filter the fumes?

I guess I want to eliminate the fumes as well as prevent spillage of fuel from the tank. BTW saw the II Much system but really dont want to spent $250 on a venting system. Not saying its not worth it, just cant budget it.

ThanKS

Mark
TOOFUN

[JEFFTATE]

You could run the vent hose/pipe up into the trunk area ( which is higher than the fuel tank ) and connect it to a charcoal cannister , then run the vent coming off the cannister back down under the car into a fender well ..

[toofun]

Is there any specific charcoal canister I should be looking to get? Is it something I can pick up locally?

[JEFFTATE]

I have not seen a generic application , but I have heard of people using a fishtank charcoal cannister .
Also , you may use a vapor separator between the fuel tank and the charcoal cannister. ( One with a drain on it ).

[garickman]

or just use this.....

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=38294

[parsonsj]

Mark,

Our system will solve your vent issues. I'd only add that you can spend a lot of time and money trying a bunch of different things that may or may not work.

[toofun]

Mark,

Our system will solve your vent issues. I'd only add that you can spend a lot of time and money trying a bunch of different things that may or may not work.

I agree with you John. Believe me your product was the first thing to catch my eye but unfortunatley just cant spend that much at the moment. It looks to be a first rate product and very well designed.

[130fe]

John, will your vent solve the issue of filling the tank up with fuel? I have to barely squeezle the gas pump handle and take 10 minutes to fill up or else it will come back out the inlet (where the nozzle is).

[JEFFTATE]

I have played around with building a fuel tank vent system on my '69 Camaro .
But by the time I bought the hard-line, fuel hose , vapor/liquid separator , charcoal cannister , and vent filter , I wondered if it may have been cheaper ( in time and effort ) to just buy a vent system .
But , it was fun to work on ...I guess.

The II Much one is a quality engineered and manufactured product ..

[parsonsj]

John, will your vent solve the issue of filling the tank up with fuel? I have to barely squeezle the gas pump handle and take 10 minutes to fill up or else it will come back out the inlet (where the nozzle is).Perhaps. If you are using an unvented tank and a vented cap, then, yes, our Vent should make a real difference.

[parsonsj]

I agree with you John. Believe me your product was the first thing to catch my eye but unfortunatley just cant spend that much at the moment. It looks to be a first rate product and very well designed.:cheers: If funds free up, keep us in mind.

[bret]

Ok so I know this has been a problem for many. And I have researched this same problem before. But am a little confused. So I have a Ricks tank with the vent hole facing toward the rear differential. I was told by Ricks to put a 1/4 inch barbed to 3/8 fitting to this hole and run a hose above the tank with a breather on it... So questions are..

1. Will I still puke fuel through this venting system?

2. Do I need to install a roll valve before the hose?

3. Can I run a hose up and to the back of the car and attach it to a canister of some sort(if so which one) and then put a breather on the end of the hose coming out of the canister? People talk about running charcoal canisters but what prevents fuel from going up into the canister soaking the charcoal and then drain back into the tank? Do they sell a charcoal breather that I can put after the canister to filter the fumes?

I guess I want to eliminate the fumes as well as prevent spillage of fuel from the tank. BTW saw the II Much system but really dont want to spent $250 on a venting system. Not saying its not worth it, just cant budget it.

ThanKS

Mark
TOOFUN

After spending YEARS fighting fuel tank venting problems [revolving around fuel spillage when cornering], I can tell you that you will spend several multiple of $250 in time and failed results to resolve that problem. It sure seems simple...but I've yet to find a universal fix.

[parsonsj]

After spending YEARS fighting fuel tank venting problems [revolving around fuel spillage when cornering], I can tell you that you will spend several multiple of $250 in time and failed results to resolve that problem. It sure seems simple...but I've yet to find a universal fix.You need a II Much Fabrication Fuel vent in (all of) your cars. :)

[Hydratech®]

What I have done on many builds over the years (that has always worked exceptionally well) is to run a fuel tank vent line all the way up to the engine, connecting to the air intake system. If it was carburated, the installation of a push on hose nipple into the bottom of the typical air cleaner base was the trick. If it was injected, then somewhere neat and clean into the air intake plumbing between the air filter and the throttle body. If you want to go really trick, you can bore into the carb or throttle body main housing and install a hose nipple to accomodate either a 5/16 or 3/8 hose - some throttle bodies and carbs already have a non vacuum provision that made it simple. I would always install an inline paper element type fuel filter in this line, as this seemed to help vapor / liquid separation characteristics. The thought here was to provide a reasonably higher volume vent to aid in quickly fueling the vehicle, yet also provide some moderate overall vapor control and rollover protection.

I'm 'that guy' that always fills it right to rim, clicking every ounce of fuel I can into the tank during fill up, and never had a problem with raw fuel burping into this line on any of the builds. With the ever so miniscule negative pressure placed on this line induced by air intake when running (we're talking almost nothing that can be registered on a gauge, but still factoring in the air filter itself as a factor as opposed to wide open atmosphere), it worked VERY well to keep fuel stink under control in a 2 1/2 car residential garage environment, and seem to always have a positive effect on overall fuel vapor control / venting needs in general.

This all started back in the '80's when I wanted to get rid of the charcoal canister underhood. I started yanking them out and then running the line (that normally went to the charcoal canister) straight to the air intake as described above and was rewarded with great results everytime. Maybe not very sophisticated, but highly effective. NOTE: Do not connect this vapor / vent line to any kind of a live vacuum source...

[toofun]

Thank you to all who commmented here... I guess I will just bite the bullet and get the vapor system from II MUCH.. I've already put a good deal of time and money into this project so far and why cheap out now.. Nothing sucks worse than to have a nicely built pro touring vehicle only to have it chucking fuel everywhere and smelling up the garage too! Consequently RideTech will also be getting some business as well as I need/want their locking gas cap and filler neck kit.. Looks like the wife is gonna have to wait another couple of weeks to color her roots and buy that "new dress" shes been eyeing!!

[Steve Chryssos]

You won't be disappointed with the II Much kit. It will pay for itself by extending the life of your fuel pump.

[130fe]

Perhaps. If you are using an unvented tank and a vented cap, then, yes, our Vent should make a real difference.

John, I have a standard Rick's tank and use the ridetech cap. The problem is when the vapors need to vent (like when refueling, the vent (in the Ridetech filler neck) is on the opposite side of where you would need it. I have the vent plugged on the front (opposite side then the filler neck plugged) and when filling the tank, the vapors come back out of the filler neck. Would your vent help in this situation?

[parsonsj]

Chris,

It's possible that the tube curvature from the port in the back of the car to the tank is causing the problem, but I think the gas nozzle extends past the where vent port sits on that tube when you're filling up the car.. So, in a word: yes. I think your analysis is correct that the vent should be well away from the fill tube.

I would plug the vent in the filler neck, and plumb the tank vent port to our vent system. With that, you should see burp-free fill-ups.

[toofun]

John,

You got a contact number? I want to order this but need to know how long Im looking at. Want to get it quick if possible. Please send me a number where I can talk to you .

Mark
TOOFUN

[parsonsj]

PM sent.

[coolwelder62]

I just got my fuel vent from John today.It's very well built.I think you would spend way more then the 259.00 to have a local machine shop build one.I am very happy.And I'm the guy make 90% of his own part's.https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/09/chevellebuild002-1.jpghttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/09/chevellebuild003-1.jpghttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/09/chevellebuild006-1.jpghttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/09/chevellebuild004-1.jpg

[parsonsj]

Sounds great, and glad you like the part. Get that sucker installed, and don't forget your differential needs one too.

thanks!

[coolwelder62]

Sounds great, and glad you like the part. Get that sucker installed, and don't forget your differential needs one too.

thanks!I will order today.