Any interest in a sequential 6 speed transmission?

[sccacuda]

Wanted to see if anybody would be interested in a sequential six speed transmission. I can set up the account to buy the boxes, just wanted to see if anyone else might want one. They are spendy, but still half of what an Emco cost. I'll post the link instead of typing the info.

http://www.quaife.co.uk/shop/products/qbe69g-0

[Yelcamino]

Hi Craig, I'm interested but not sure if I could come up with the $$ right away.

[sccacuda]

That's fine, not asking for a commitment, I just wanted to see if their was enough interest to set up the account. It's a pain because it's the UK and VAT. Not asking for money or deposits!! Just want to see interest. If I proceed, I would have at least one unit in stock to sell. No drop ship garbage, or manufacture delays. If you buy it, it would go out UPS same day.

This is still in the "thinking about" it stage.

[Twentyover]

US residents don't pay VAT. Each country in the EU pays VAT at that country's rate, since the US doesn't have a federal sales tax, the liability is to customs, and is paid on receipt of the product. I've imported a few parts for the MGC, and never been tagged with VAT

[parsonsj]

I keep thinking that transmission would be ideal for Unfair, but the cost is very discouraging... maybe some day.

[Matt@BOS]

Xtrac makes a sequential 6 speed too, and they're located in North Carolina. Not sure how much it costs compared to the Quaife unit though. Oh, but the Xtrac is limited to about 600 ft-lbs.

Matt

[MuscleRodz]

Current exchange makes it around $8550 less shipping. Interested yes, ready to buy no.

[James OLC]

I would be interested in hearing more about bellhousing and clutch requirements/options.

[Yelcamino]

I would be interested in hearing more about bellhousing and clutch requirements/options.

Very important point! I'd hate to drop the coin and find out it won't bolt up to anything!

[uraceulose]

If you look on YouTube there's one of each of those Trans on video in street car z06 corvettes with stock interior. I can imagine they're ls7 or lsx of some sort..

[sccacuda]

US residents don't pay VAT. Each country in the EU pays VAT at that country's rate, since the US doesn't have a federal sales tax, the liability is to customs, and is paid on receipt of the product. I've imported a few parts for the MGC, and never been tagged with VAT

They don't sell direct. I have to go through a distributor, and I am assuming they are paying the VAT. That adds significantly. I have two distributors I'm working with and a few options to reduce cost. We'll see who has the best price.

[sccacuda]

I keep thinking that transmission would be ideal for Unfair, but the cost is very discouraging... maybe some day.

Yeah I know, it's stupid money. I looked at the Emco, but at 24K, that is beyond ridiculous for anything but a DP car. The Quaife seemed to fit between the 6060 and Emco. I'm trying to convince myself that it would pay for itself if I missed a shift and fragged my motor, but the bottom line is it's twice as expensive as a 6060.

[sccacuda]

I would be interested in hearing more about bellhousing and clutch requirements/options.

They have several options now. Viper, Cosworth, and stuff for UK Saloon car racing. I know Australian V8 Supercar was a target, so LS's should be covered. I'll see if I can get an update on available bellhousings.

[Yelcamino]

They have several options now. Viper, Cosworth, and stuff for UK Saloon car racing. I know Australian V8 Supercar was a target, so LS's should be covered. I'll see if I can get an update on available bellhousings.

While you're at it, can you see if there's a bellhousing for a standard BBC/SBC pattern?

[ILLMATIC]

looks like a very nice piece

[Twentyover]

They don't sell direct. I have to go through a distributor, and I am assuming they are paying the VAT. That adds significantly. I have two distributors I'm working with and a few options to reduce cost. We'll see who has the best price.

Shouldn't matter. I bought my stuff from a UK retailer. At that time, the VAT was 17%, paid by the retail customer at Point Of Delivery in the UK. Currently, a buddy is importing parts from Burton Power (Ford 2.9 in MkI Capri SCCA GT2 effort I'm involved with.) If POD is outside the UK, we've never been charged VAT.

[James OLC]

They have several options now. Viper, Cosworth, and stuff for UK Saloon car racing. I know Australian V8 Supercar was a target, so LS's should be covered. I'll see if I can get an update on available bellhousings.

Yeah... but I'm pretty sure that the V8 Supercars don't run LS engines.

[neki67]

Shouldn't matter. I bought my stuff from a UK retailer. At that time, the VAT was 17%, paid by the retail customer at Point Of Delivery in the UK. Currently, a buddy is importing parts from Burton Power (Ford 2.9 in MkI Capri SCCA GT2 effort I'm involved with.) If POD is outside the UK, we've never been charged VAT.

That's correct since the distributor can and will get the VAT back from the Tax-office.

[carbuff]

Bumping this back up as I was thinking about this recently also while watching some of the sports car races. I'm actually surprised that I haven't noticed anyone using one of these in a PT car. I am curious as to how noisy they are in regular driving conditions, and like others have asked, I'm curious about the install options (bellhousing, etc).

[sccacuda]

Bumping this back up as I was thinking about this recently also while watching some of the sports car races. I'm actually surprised that I haven't noticed anyone using one of these in a PT car. I am curious as to how noisy they are in regular driving conditions, and like others have asked, I'm curious about the install options (bellhousing, etc).

Hi Bryan,

The trans is available with helical or straight cut gears. The helical would be no noisier than a T56 or TKO.

I am waiting on a fluctuation in the exchange rate to buy one to check out first hand. They have a Bell for Viper and lots of Euro stuff. When I get it, I'll get with Quicktime about modifying an existing bell to fit. Ideally, I will just make an adaptor from the trans to a common T56 flange, that would solve all the issues. Just bolt on any bell that fits a T56. Won't know for sure until I get the first to measure input shaft length, etc...

[carbuff]

I can't remember if it was this particular unit or another one, but I recently saw a picture of one, and my first thought was "wow, that input shaft is long!" So it will be interesting to see what you learn.

Thanx for the update!

[sccacuda]

...and yes, I'm waiting for as much price break as possible. It's about 11K at current exchange rate. Thats just a little (LOT!) more than I want to spend on a trans. 7K in pounds sounds so much better!

[sccacuda]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

I'm hoping it will work fine. That is one long input shaft.

[Simmo]

Bumping this back up as I was thinking about this recently also while watching some of the sports car races. I'm actually surprised that I haven't noticed anyone using one of these in a PT car. I am curious as to how noisy they are in regular driving conditions, and like others have asked, I'm curious about the install options (bellhousing, etc).

I cant vouch for their boxes but have had a diff before and it was a solid piece indeed (should have been for the $$ I dropped on it lol).

There was a thread a while back about Holinger, similar $$ to the Emco new, but can be had as a rebuilt race second for around the 10k mark.

[sccacuda]

After much discussion with Quaife, it was determined the gear box would not be adequate on torque. These guys are hard to nail down, but they have it advertised at 750 BPH. After talking with one of the engineer's about how vague that was (Formula 1 = 300ft/lbs, Nascar 450ft/lbs) it is rated at roughly 500 ft./lbs) No where near what I or the majority of us need.

So I have gone a different route. Would you pay $2500 for a true sequential shifter that bolted to your TKO or T56? I know that's crazy money, but the Porsche crowd are paying 6K for the same shifter. I'm working with a company now to get this done. It's a pretty trick piece (pieces!) that requires no internal mods. Can be upgrade to hydraulic for paddle shift.

This is a pic of the Porsche piece, but it will be similar.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[no go nova]

Thats sic let me test one out when your finish with it lol

[Ketzer]

There are definately a handful of builds out there that could stomach the buy-in but probably no where near enough to payback the development costs and initial run on parts.

[sccacuda]

There are definately a handful of builds out there that could stomach the buy-in but probably no where near enough to payback the development costs and initial run on parts.

I agree, but it's cool and I always loved the sequential shift. I'm already committed to doing mine so that cost is on me. I'll set up to be the exclusive dealer and maybe break even someday. Sometimes its more about the cool than the return. Kinda sounds like all of our cars!!

[Greg from Aus]

T56 Magnum?

[Merlin]

Would the sequential gearbox also blip the throttle on down shift like a new Ferrari gearbox?


Cliff
369 CP Chevelle

[andrewb70]

MTI is working on releasing a package for Corvettes:

http://www.mtiracing.com/Six-Shooter-Sequential-Transmission-Conversion-System-for-Corvette.html

The PPG gears have been available for the T56 for some time now. Keisler used to have a relationship with PPG, but that clearly went nowhere.

Whatever electronics MTI comes up with can easily be integrated with an engine mounted T56, so it would just be a matter of making a sequential shifter that mounts on the T56 directly.

It can also be used with something like what is offered by MasterShift:

http://www.mastershift.com/newvideogallery.html

Andrew

[sccacuda]

T56 Magnum?

Yes. TKO and t56

[sccacuda]

This is just a mechanical shifter mechanism that will translate a sequential forward or backward pull or push into a standard H-pattern. It does use an electro-magnet to assist the shift, but is mechanically connected to the shift rail. It will have a provision to be actuated hydraulically, allowing for paddle shift. This is all race proven technology in Europe. Not reinventing the wheel, just adapting what Cartronics has been using on the Porsche for years.

You still need to clutch to shift unless your using a dog box or compatible gears. Either one is really difficult to drive in a street car.

[Ketzer]

MTI is working on releasing a package for Corvettes:

Andrew

Have they even hinted at what this package might cost? Obviously for hardcore useage where guys can drop that sort of coin without a thought, not for weekend warriors.

[Greg from Aus]

I could be convinced to spend some money.

[sccacuda]

I could be convinced to spend some money.

All the really cool trans parts are in Australia! MTI, Kaps, etc....

[Simmo]

They run the Quaife behind 550hp LS7's in our V8 Supertourer series. I guess the power/torque is still a bit low for a lot of the builds here, and reliability/service requirements/daily manners isn't as much of a concern.

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74201


There's this option too which I'm exploring at present, they're run in another series behind 600 odd HP LS3's and a mates drift car which is a bit north of that again so I'm watching with interest how they last.


74202


With the cost of some of the builds on here I can't see it being a major, a sequential has more potential to drop lap times that the latest and greatest supercharger/turbo IMO.

Good on you for taking the initiative sccacuda, keep us posted with developments.

[Kenova]

The two transmissions I had the most fun with in my youth was a TH350 with a B&M ratchet shifter and a Muncie 4spd with a Mr. Gasket Vertical Gate shifter.
A T56 Magnum with a sequential shifter? Very tempting. Keep the shifter cost less than my pension check and I just might need one. :naughty:

Ken

[andrewb70]

This is just a mechanical shifter mechanism that will translate a sequential forward or backward pull or push into a standard H-pattern. It does use an electro-magnet to assist the shift, but is mechanically connected to the shift rail. It will have a provision to be actuated hydraulically, allowing for paddle shift. This is all race proven technology in Europe. Not reinventing the wheel, just adapting what Cartronics has been using on the Porsche for years.

You still need to clutch to shift unless your using a dog box or compatible gears. Either one is really difficult to drive in a street car.

I am very interesting in the shifter setup. The rest I can figure out. I used to have a Liberty dog-ring T56 in my Ls6 powered 1988 RX7.

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Once the shifter is available, there are many options. The Liberty modified T56s and PPG. There is also some rumor that Liberty is working on a straight cut gear dog-ring gear set for the T56. It seems that the Lingenfelter 5th Gen Camaro is running it.

The set-up can be implemented simply, without fancy electronics and would require the slight use of the clutch or lifting of the throttle to shift (bumping against the rev limiter also works). Or, it can be implemented in a more sophisticated manner, such as the MTI set-up.

Andrew

[andrewb70]

Have they even hinted at what this package might cost? Obviously for hardcore useage where guys can drop that sort of coin without a thought, not for weekend warriors.

The pricing is not on the website, but the PPG gearset is around $8k, add in installation, electronics, and shifter, and I would say it will be $19,995...approximately...LOL

As I reference, LG Motorsports offers the Emco for C5 and C6 Corvettes is over $28k, sans electronics.

http://www.lgmotorsports.com/product_info.php?cPath=474_481&products_id=2179

Andrew

[72BBSwinger]

Those are baddass I've "looked" at them about a year ago. I dont have the support for something that awesome.

[andrewb70]

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With the cost of some of the builds on here I can't see it being a major, a sequential has more potential to drop lap times that the latest and greatest supercharger/turbo IMO.

Good on you for taking the initiative sccacuda, keep us posted with developments.

Who makes that transmission?

It looks like a Holinger box.

Andrew

[sccacuda]

Who makes that transmission?

It looks like a Holinger box.

Andrew

TTI industries (http://www.ttindustries.com/car_index.html). New Zealand.

[Simmo]

^^^ Yip

As you guys know, car guys aren't always the best online marketers but despite a few teething issues the trans seems to be performing well. The drift car I'm referring to is an RX7 20BT so will be down on torque but was in the high 680 rwhp "ish" IIRC. They're in their first season behind the LS3 in the touring car so should have a bit more of an idea of longevity as time goes on. Around $9000 USD.

Here it goes:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqTJwSfSiKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWiSji8ER_A

[andrewb70]

^^^ Yip

As you guys know, car guys aren't always the best online marketers but despite a few teething issues the trans seems to be performing well. The drift car I'm referring to is an RX7 20BT so will be down on torque but was in the high 680 rwhp "ish" IIRC. They're in their first season behind the LS3 in the touring car so should have a bit more of an idea of longevity as time goes on. Around $9000 USD.

Here it goes:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqTJwSfSiKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWiSji8ER_A

Just to clarify, these cars are using the TTI transmission?

Andrew

[Simmo]

Just to clarify, these cars are using the TTI transmission?

Andrew

Yeah the "new gen" cars as in the link run a control chassis/rear end and TTI 6 speed as standard. Engines vary with manufacturer, parity provided through ECU tuning.

[andrewb70]

Yeah the "new gen" cars as in the link run a control chassis/rear end and TTI 6 speed as standard. Engines vary with manufacturer, parity provided through ECU tuning.

Thanks for the clarification, Chris.

I think the best bang for the buck, if anyone wants to have a bullet-proof dog-ring trans, that is quiet on the street, is the PPG 1st-4th gearset. It wouldn't provide sequential shifting, but that can be done later with the installation of a sequential shifter, when one becomes available. Fifth and 6th gears would stay stock and would only be used for cruising on the highway.

Andrew

[sccacuda]

First prototype works!! Don't want to post pics just yet, but basically the same as what motorcycles use for sequential shifting.

Looking for a member with a machine shop who would be willing to make the production parts necessary at a reasonable cost and a little feedback on what you guys might pay for a sequential manual shifter for a TKO and T56? The shifter can be mounted in any location desired, but does use linkage to shift through the gears. I have made the linkage bullet proof. The box is a remote mount, either in the tunnel or under your console. The shifter uses a lever to lockout neutral and reverse. The shifter pushes forward to first, but will not engage neutral unless the lever is pulled. Pull lever and push forward for neutral, again for reverse. Pull down for neutral and again for first through 5th or 6th, and push back up to first. I am using an existing sequential shift lever that is carbon fiber, but would prefer an aluminum piece. Again, some feedback on lever style you'd prefer, and transmission!

This is full mechanical, so if you move the stick, you move the shift rail. It does incorporate two large electromagnets to help assist with shifting (more for speed of the shift), but will always shift even without. Nothing electronic to make (or not make!) the shift. The electromagnets showed a tenth of a second speed increase on the shift. Doesn't sound like much, but shift ten times a lap and you've gain a second. A LED shift indicator will also be included to show what gear you are in and can be mounted wherever desired.

[andrewb70]

Craig,

I just sent you a PM.

Andrew

[riles]

Very cool but 3X the cost of my T56. See they have a setup for GM cars on their site. Maybe after I get car running, like to see how it works out with the T56 housing, since I'm running a Ford.

[TheJDMan]

After much discussion with Quaife, it was determined the gear box would not be adequate on torque. These guys are hard to nail down, but they have it advertised at 750 BPH. After talking with one of the engineer's about how vague that was (Formula 1 = 300ft/lbs, Nascar 450ft/lbs) it is rated at roughly 500 ft./lbs) No where near what I or the majority of us need.

So I have gone a different route. Would you pay $2500 for a true sequential shifter that bolted to your TKO or T56? I know that's crazy money, but the Porsche crowd are paying 6K for the same shifter. I'm working with a company now to get this done. It's a pretty trick piece (pieces!) that requires no internal mods. Can be upgrade to hydraulic for paddle shift.

This is a pic of the Porsche piece, but it will be similar.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

My T56 is on order so I will be keeping a close eye on this shifter.

[El_Diablo]

Very interested as this could completely avoid missed shift trans failures...

[riles]

My T56 is on order so I will be keeping a close eye on this shifter.



Would definitely be interested in this.