Here we go again, Boyd fires another guy on American HOT ROD

[4MuscleMachines]

Fired him (Mike?) for working with Foose on a couple of weekends, helped work on some motorcycle wheels for Foose. I know this is a reality drama show, but he's really fired...feel sorry for the guy.

[kman67rsss]

well, maybee chip foose will take him on full time. then mike can work with charley again. i just watched that episode and dont see anything wrong with mike doing side work, especially if it was on his own time and equipment. dont know where he was doing the work though.

[YoungGun]

Yeah, that was kind of sketchy though. I know we dont like Boyd, and he comes off as an A#%, but he did alot of for Mike, and Mike knew about the Foose issue. He had to know the risk he was taking.
Its his time and such you are right, but is it worth losing that job to do some side work? I think there has to be more to it, and they didnt show the computer stuff either.

Looked like BlueBear lost some weight and changed...see that 3 second clip of him..I am suprised that are still friends.

Tim

[Little Bob]

It didn't long for it to start. I just finished watching the show also. I feel bad for both parties. I know people don't like Boyd very much. But what Mike did is called conflict of interest. I have it written into my contract at my job. It means no moon lighting for someone eles in same the same field. As a businessman, Boyd did the wright thing. Even if it seems like it's wrong to us. I think Mike is going to well in the future, as long as he grows up a little and gets that chip off his shoulder. You watch, Boyd will find someone with as much or more skill than Mike. I also think that Boyd needs to set Roy in his place, or get him someone that can do the basic forming for him. So he can enjoy his semi-retirement.

[69Nova]

Boyd is so stupid, mike was doing work on his own time and they were motorcycle wheels. That is not direct compettion with Boyd. The only problem the show could have hidden is if he used Boyd's computers or time for his side work.

Andrew Petty

[TwinSting]

My inside sources tell the story that the files were on Boyds computers at the shop and that he was workling on it on Boyds time. Also I think his recent attitude was not a help! Mike is working at MHT and Foose for the last month since being fired.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Look, there are some competitors I have heat with, in fact there are a couple competitors that are complete pieces of crap, and the bottom line is if you are working for me, you are not working for them, period! It is a absolute conflict. There are things about my business I DO NOT want some people to know, especially people I do not get along with.

A perfect example is in my amphibious tour bus business, I had someone that was working on the side with my primary competitor, telling him my every move, every design idea, and even customer info. It took a while to figure out why my competitor would come out with my ideas, every time I had a new idea. I wondered how he would be calling my customers. Long story short, it really sucked.

I am not saying Foose needs any ideas from Boyd, everyone knows Foose has his own ideas. But the fact is Boyd would probably prefer that Foose did not have first hand knowledge of the things going on in his shop, good or bad!

I would have fired his ass too, and I liked that guy.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Also I think his recent attitude was not a help!

Isn't he the one that said your car was stupid? I think he should have been fired for that, lol!

[toddshotrods]

Well, thanks for ruining the surprise guys :comp3: Just kidding :moon: I am usually busy and watch the second showing at one. I am not surprised because it seemd like they were setting up for it last week. They made a big deal about Mike not doing his work, and having an attitude. They also made sure to give us long lengthy shots of him lloking like he could care less. Then, IIRC, they said something hinting that something like this was going to happen in the "next time on American Hot Rod" piece.

My guess is Mike told them he was leaving and they staged a big drama piece for his exit.

[Steve1968LS2]

Fired him (Mike?) for working with Foose on a couple of weekends, helped work on some motorcycle wheels for Foose. I know this is a reality drama show, but he's really fired...feel sorry for the guy.

I would fire him too if he was using my equipment to work on a competitors product.. Not that I love Boyd..

Oh, and most of the drama is made up..

Remember the guy Al that quit?? Well he still works there but made them promise to keep him off camera and not mention him..

[Steve Chryssos]

What a soap opera! I hear Mike hit on Boyd's wife AND her sister. He even cut her a nice pendant out of stainless steel on the Haas VF-4 mill. That's Boyd's favorite CNC machine because it was given to him as a present by Troy Trepanier's cousin's uncle Larry before he was diagnosed with chronic halitosis.

:secret: Pass it around.

[68BNUT]

That show is still on?!! I stopped watching soap opera's long ago

[toddshotrods]

What a production!!! They should consider putting AHR on Broadway! That crap was staged and scripted from the moment they said "action"!

A world famous hot rod builder who has to say "please" for his employee to do the job he is being paid for, and the employee still never does the job?! Then he gives the boss a "whatever" when confronted again?!

He nonchalantly tells Duane to find someone else to machine the wheels because he won't be there long. Duane hears that Mike is designing wheels for their arch enemy, but waits until the next day AFTER he works for a while to call the boss, who happens to be out of town. No problem, he'll catch an early flight for the good of the show.

Then to top it all off Mike has Bluebear pick him up outside the gate. Any special reason he got dropped off or walked to work that day?!?!

They could at least make the crap seem real.

[steemin]

Lets see..
Do moonlighting work for my boss's former employee that is now a very successful direct competitor. Gee maybe thats not a good idea..
I am not defending Boyd (Its all about drama and ratings anyway) but put yourself in his shoes.
I have 6 former employees that are now direct competitors of mine.
It is not very fair to teach/reveal everything you know about a business and then have them turn and use it against you.
I got tired of being beat up. So now I have a pretty solid non competete that everyone must sign before hiring. I am surprised that Boyd does not make his guys sign non competes..
Scott

[Blue70]

Does Boyd make motorcycle wheels?

Mike said he was designing motorcycle wheels for Foose, So if Boyd don't do motorcycle wheels (I don't know if he does) would that be a conflict of interest?

If he was working on a product that Boyd does not sell, on his own time and computers (if that was the case) I don’t see how Boyd should be mad. Would he have been as pissed and fired Mike if it was some no name guys wheels he was working on?

[BB69]

I don't know how long it takes to film and produce these shows, but Mike was with Boyd and company at the last big Barret-Jackson auction; the auction where the Olds Vette prototype sold for $3,000,000. Mike was there driving Boyd's cars on and off the block. I like the show, but the drama is definitely daytime television.

Ken

[toddshotrods]

Does Boyd make motorcycle wheels?

Mike said he was designing motorcycle wheels for Foose, So if Boyd don't do motorcycle wheels (I don't know if he does) would that be a conflict of interest?

If he was working on a product that Boyd does not sell, on his own time and computers (if that was the case) I don’t see how Boyd should be mad. Would he have been as pissed and fired Mike if it was some no name guys wheels he was working on?

Mike did wheels and miscellaneous CNC machined stuff at Boyd's. The motorcycle wheels would definitely be a conflict of interest because wheels are one of Boyd's main products. A design for a car wheel could be adapted to a motorcycle wheel, or vice versa. I'm not saying Mike did that, just that it is clearly a conflict of interest.

Did anyone see the show on Rides where they covered the building of this year's Ridler winner? They announced that Charlie's old boss drops by to check it out. Had me looking, because I couldn't believe Boyd was going to Foose's shop! Charlie was in the booth painting it and Foose and another guy AND BOYD popped up in the window to watch him!!! BOYD WAS A LIFE-SIZED PRINTOUT!!!! I like the fact that Chip has a sense of humor about this whole thing. Charlie got a good laugh out of it too.

Ever think this whole enemies thing is just more drama?

[Blue70]

I guess wheels are wheels :dunno:

I saw the cutout of Boyd too and had to laugh :rotfl:

[Foudie]

I don't know about you guys, but I have always wanted a 32 roadster built by Boyd and Crew. After watching this show for the past year or so I would not even have them change my oil. Boyd sure has a lot of great ideas and is an amazing talent but the way his shop is run is horrible. All of the unrealisitc deadlines have got to at some point sacrifice quality. IMO Foose is the man.

[Travis B]

I don't know about you guys, but I have always wanted a 32 roadster built by Boyd and Crew. After watching this show for the past year or so I would not even have them change my oil. Boyd sure has a lot of great ideas and is an amazing talent but the way his shop is run is horrible. All of the unrealisitc deadlines have got to at some point sacrifice quality. IMO Foose is the man.


The deadlines and all the BS is fake!!! twingsting took 3 months on the show I think and i'm sure it took over a year to finish...twingsting how long did it take!

[Blue70]

. All of the unrealisitc deadlines have got to at some point sacrifice quality. IMO Foose is the man.

Did you see the one where Boyd tried to help out and drilled the hole in the wrong spot for the steering column?? They then had to wallow it out and cover the messed up hole with a trim ring!! I better not find anything like that on my car if I was paying those prices!! :box2:

[trapin]

Mike was doing Foose's stuff on Boyd's computers AND during working hours, he was not doing it on his own time. Or at least that's what's been said over at Team Camaro.

Boyd was right to fire him...I would have done the same.

How humiliating though, showing on camara them ceasing his CPU and asking for his key and then Boyd escorting him to the front gate.

Stupid kid.

[Steve1968LS2]

The deadlines and all the BS is fake!!! twingsting took 3 months on the show I think and i'm sure it took over a year to finish...twingsting how long did it take!

I heard his car was at Boyds shop over 2 years.. and he has only had it a month or so..

Its all about the drama baby!!

[4MuscleMachines]

Whats this I hear about Mike hitting on Boyds wife Jo some time back?

[TwinSting]

The Vette took over 2 1/2 years to complete. I just got it 2 weeks ago!!! The show is fake and scripted for the drama.

[vanzuuk1]

This is hard to swallow, next you will tell me wrestling is fake.

[69rs]

AHR is still better than Texas Hardtails (or something like that). If they wanted a show that's obviously fake, at least hire real actors! I can't even watch that show.

I wonder, if Boyd would fire Dwayne, would morale improve? Act or not, he wouldn't talk to me like he does to those guys. Maybe he can build, (they don't show it) but he acts like a jerk.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I don't know about you guys, but I have always wanted a 32 roadster built by Boyd and Crew. After watching this show for the past year or so I would not even have them change my oil. Boyd sure has a lot of great ideas and is an amazing talent but the way his shop is run is horrible. All of the unrealisitc deadlines have got to at some point sacrifice quality. IMO Foose is the man.


I concur with the fact that I would not want Boyd and his crew working on my car because of the disorganization issue. But I am not terribly fond of Foose either, given the unrealistic deadlines on Overhaulin'.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Look, there are some competitors I have heat with, in fact there are a couple competitors that are complete pieces of crap, and the bottom line is if you are working for me, you are not working for them, period! It is a absolute conflict. There are things about my business I DO NOT want some people to know, especially people I do not get along with.

A perfect example is in my amphibious tour bus business, I had someone that was working on the side with my primary competitor, telling him my every move, every design idea, and even customer info. It took a while to figure out why my competitor would come out with my ideas, every time I had a new idea. I wondered how he would be calling my customers. Long story short, it really sucked.

I am not saying Foose needs any ideas from Boyd, everyone knows Foose has his own ideas. But the fact is Boyd would probably prefer that Foose did not have first hand knowledge of the things going on in his shop, good or bad!

I would have fired his ass too, and I liked that guy.


I would have fired him, also.

[F70t/a]

This is hard to swallow, next you will tell me wrestling is fake.



It's sports entertainment now :secret:



So Mike was tapping boyds wife?

[Foudie]

I concur with the fact that I would not want Boyd and his crew working on my car because of the disorganization issue. But I am not terribly fond of Foose either, given the unrealistic deadlines on Overhaulin'.

Yeah but that is comparing apples and oranges. Overhaulin is a show about hooking someone up with a free car. All of the customers on AHR are paying often times 100's of thousands of dollars for a one off custom by a huge name builder.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Yeah but that is comparing apples and oranges. Overhaulin is a show about hooking someone up with a free car. All of the customers on AHR are paying often times 100's of thousands of dollars for a one off custom by a huge name builder.


Technically, you are indeed correct, but my beef concerning time constraints still applies!

[69rs]

Since this has turned into Boyd vs. Chip thing, I have a couple of opinion questions.
Who would you choose to build a car if you had:
1.Unlimited funds and Unlimited time.
2.Unlimited funds and Limited time.
3.Limited funds and unlimited time
4.Limited funds and Limited time (yea, right)
I know, I know.....They're just rhetorical questions!:dunno:

[wantahertzdonut]

I'm still amazed this show is still on. It would be one thing if they showed more of the cars being built but they don't. It's all fighting and everyone comes off as an idiot. I certainly hope they aren't really like that in real life but still, it got old real quick.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I'm still amazed this show is still on. It would be one thing if they showed more of the cars being built but they don't. It's all fighting and everyone comes off as an idiot. I certainly hope they aren't really like that in real life but still, it got old real quick.


I completely concur!!!

[vanzuuk1]

Who would I have build a car for me between those two? FOOSE.

Having said that, let me clarify one thing. I have nit picked at boyd and a few other builders, that doesnt mean I forget what they have accomplished.Thats why they are on tv and I am critiqing from the sidelines.

If I had to have someone design my car for me? Steve Strope, I think He's on my wavelength as far as styling.

If someone were to build my car for me?, Mark stielow, He seems to really think out the engineering of the car.I would love to win the mule in a contest and just add some things to match my personality.(rims, paint , some details)

Just sharing my opinions...

[MuscleRodz]

You have to realize these shows are not really meant for us car nuts who know a little bit about what actually goes on. It is for the other 98% who actually think there is some truth to these shows and have no clue. Just go read the forums for overhaulin, ahr, american chopper, and you will see what I mean.

Mike

[vanzuuk1]

Mike You are right, and in some ways it does help the hobby. A lot more cool toys and shows to look at.

however, if one more person looks at my gsxr streetfighter and asks me if I watch american chopper, I may kill them .

[Camaro_Kyle]

Just my opinion but I hate the way AHR portrays Boyd. But if I had the money, and I knew my car would turn out as good as Twinsting's Corvette, then yeah, I would let him and his crew build my car. I can understand that the show is scripted and planned out, but what I can't understand is why he would let himself be portrayed that way. Why would het let people think he is an ass? I just don't get it. He can build some pretty nice cars, and if he built mine, then I would make sure it was off camera, so there would be no drama tied to it.
Just my opinion,
Kyle

[69rs]

Does anyone know if the show has hurt / helped Boyd? They say there's no such thing as bad publicity.

[wantahertzdonut]

I don't know if I'd ever pay someone to build a car for me, no matter how much $$ I had. I'm a believer in doing it yourself, so I kind of scoff at cars that are paid to be built. Then again I also despise show-only cars.

But sure, Boyd has a tv show, but all his cars come out the same. All the roadsters look nearly identical, and even the whole Boydster design was largely Chip Foose's design. Even the other cars look a lot like his roadsters. I guess if you like a certain builder's style that's fine, but I prefer to do things myself.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I don't know if I'd ever pay someone to build a car for me, no matter how much $$ I had. I'm a believer in doing it yourself, so I kind of scoff at cars that are paid to be built. Then again I also despise show-only cars.

But sure, Boyd has a tv show, but all his cars come out the same. All the roadsters look nearly identical, and even the whole Boydster design was largely Chip Foose's design. Even the other cars look a lot like his roadsters. I guess if you like a certain builder's style that's fine, but I prefer to do things myself.


Actually, I would argue that Foose has based his design largely upon Boyd. Boyd did Foose long before Foose came along. I am not entirely a fan of Boyd. But he did invent the "smooth look" for street rods.

[MuscleRodz]

Actually, I would argue that Foose has based his design largely upon Boyd. Boyd did Foose long before Foose came along. I am not entirely a fan of Boyd. But he did invent the "smooth look" for street rods.
I will respectfully disagree Foose has copied Boyd unless you are talking about "Impression". Foose took Boyd's smoothster design and took it to a complete other level probably not to be topped anytime soon. Almost all of Boyd's creations have been designed either by Foose in the early years or Thom Taylor.

Yes Boyd did bring hot rods into the 21st century with billet parts and european monochromatic paint schemes. I don't feel he is cutting edge anymore or has been for several years and is riding on his name. Some could argue "Whatahaye" is cutting edge, but when I look at it, it appears the design is still rough around the edges. It remind me of a cartoon version of the real thing.

Mike

[CraigMorrison]

I'm still amazed this show is still on. It would be one thing if they showed more of the cars being built but they don't. It's all fighting and everyone comes off as an idiot. I certainly hope they aren't really like that in real life but still, it got old real quick.

Right now, AHR is the #2 watched show on the Discovery Channel right behind American Chopper.

We've also heard that from a few different sources that Mike was doing the wheels on Boyd's computers.

[Steve1968LS2]

Right now, AHR is the #2 watched show on the Discovery Channel right behind American Chopper.

We've also heard that from a few different sources that Mike was doing the wheels on Boyd's computers.

People forget that these show are not made for "car guys" but for joe-public that loves soap opera style drama..

I also heard that Boyd is paid very little for each episode.. like $2k or something.

His benefit is in the free press... Im sure the same is true of American Chopper and other type shows..

[Restomod]

BOYD?!?!?!?! who the F is boyd?!!?!?!?!!!????!?!?? :barf:
AVOIDTHEBOYD

[4MuscleMachines]

People forget that these show are not made for "car guys" but for joe-public that loves soap opera style drama..

I also heard that Boyd is paid very little for each episode.. like $2k or something.

His benefit is in the free press... Im sure the same is true of American Chopper and other type shows..

I can believe 2K for each show during the 1st season, but I'm sure it's much more now in his 2nd season since he knows pulls in the viewers...everything in life to him is business and he always has to end up on top. (Hmmm, sounds like me??? :)

[toddshotrods]

The real money is in endorsements and licensing. Commercials, specialty products that other companies pay them to use their name on, and even a freakin video game (American Chopper)! I saw a commerical for some parts store franchise with Boyd and his sidekick in it already. I can't count the number of times I have seen people with the West Coast Choppers Maltese cross on their back. Usually people who look like they wouldn't know how to get on a chopper without dropping it, much less ride one. There's also West Coast Choppers radio control cars, etc. Foose in commercials, etc, etc.

My guess is that's what Boyd is after, but I don't think he has the selling power of the chopper guys. Honestly, he and Duane are occasionally amusing on the show but otherwise kind of boring - from a commerical "star power" perspective. Think about it. If your job was to sell products based on the characters on that show, how would you convince younger people that they're cool. That they need to spend their money on stuff to be like them. To encourage one to be a wannabe Jesse James, Paul Jr, or even Mikey.

I'm not trying to knock Boyd, his tangible assets are well beyond what I have managed in the same time period. Nor do I like the fact the you can sell crap as long as you package it pretty either - just observing the obvious.

If money was no object I would pick Foose, hands down. He seems to be the only one out of the top guys who is a true perfectionist, and has three Ridlers to back that up. If I am paying astronomical prices, I want astronomical quality. I want to work really hard to find a flaw - anywhere! Otherwise what was the point of spending so much - to say "so-and-so built it"?! I don't buy the good investment thing because very few cars appreciate. Some of Boyd's work drew a few bucks at Barrett-Jackson, but I'd bet those prices were well below the actual build costs. I'd buy real estate.

I had the opportunity to check out Boyd's work back in the late eighties/early nineties and it was incredible. As close to perfection as I imagine a group of talented men can get. I can find flaws from my living room sofa now. Something changed. I also had the opportunity to check out the work of another top name builder recently (who is actually my second favorite) and found flaws EVERYWHERE!!! This was a BIG buck car. I just walked away disappointed. Crappy work (relatively speaking) in a pretty wrapper.

[Roger Poirier]

This is hard to swallow, next you will tell me wrestling is fake.

Good one!:lmao:

[race-rodz-inc]

troyboy is my hero.

[vanzuuk1]

I forgot troy, he is awesome. Very original ideas on all his builds. Foose , Strope, Tepanier, my top three.Strope mat not do the over the top runnibg gear but I like his choices on body style, color etc.

This is off topic slightly but when I was in high school a guy named Ricky Webster had a 69 camaro with a 302 and 4 wheel disc brakes. It was lowered with bbs wheels and it was pristine.His spoiler even had a notch cut in it like the green and white repro camaro that steve stanford designed. That car FLEW and was one of the earliest protouring cars I saw in person, definately made an impression on me.

I figured if we were talking about the "big " builders I would give a little guy some credit.

[toofun]

Anyone else get the impression that Boyd likes the sauce? Dont know what it is but he always looks like he just stepped off a bar stool in Maui... or maybe its fell off the bar stool?

[ProTeal55]

If I had the funds and so on , I would have Troy from Rad Rides build my "Dream Car" . I have met him a few times , and he is a really down to earth guy who you can tell is in his line of work becasue he loves cars , not to sell t-shirts........

On a side note , the losers at Orange County Choppers made over $1.5million in 2004 just from T-Shirt sales...I work in the Custom Motorcycle business , and we get yearly $$$ reports , and actually they are slated to double that figure in 2005...

Sad that America has come to this.....

[Steve Chryssos]

On a side note , the losers at Orange County Choppers made over $1.5million in 2004 just from T-Shirt sales...I work in the Custom Motorcycle business , and we get yearly $$$ reports , and actually they are slated to double that figure in 2005...

That must be accurate because Edna, my 86 year old neighbor, wears her OCC T-shirts regularly. She has them in a variety of styles and colors. She is particularly fond of that "helicopter bike" because she likes the drop down faux missle launchers. After all, nothing says chopper like drop down faux missle launchers. That has never been done before or since. I wonder why?

Maybe Starbucks will commission an OCC bike. Pour beans into the one off "grinder" styled carburetor and when you start it up, a double shot mocha latte will shoot out of the exhaust.

[68protouring454]

funny as always steevo

[Travis B]

She is particularly fond of that "helicopter bike" because she likes the drop down faux missle launchers. After all, nothing says chopper like drop down faux missle launchers. That has never been done before or since. I wonder why?

Maybe Starbucks will commission an OCC bike. Pour beans into the one off "grinder" styled carburetor and when you start it up, a double shot mocha latte will shoot out of the exhaust.


:jump:

I don't care who you are thats funny

[Steve Chryssos]

Ignore me. I just crave attention. :help!:

Edit: No, don't!

[ProTeal55]

Another OCC SideNote------->

The NAPA "DragBike" they built , almost killed one of their employees two weeks after it was built. The frame cracked right under the neck , and the bike collapsed onto itself .

Great work - Great Products - OCC Rules !

[jy211]

Another OCC SideNote------->

The NAPA "DragBike" they built , almost killed one of their employees two weeks after it was built. The frame cracked right under the neck , and the bike collapsed onto itself .

Great work - Great Products - OCC Rules !

Speaking of them. I heard that they paid Discovery Channel to film them the first year....Is that so or just more bull**** I've been told?

[bnoon]

Of the people that still actually watch the American Hotrod or Chopper shows... how many of you only really try to watch the final episode of a certain build? I find that I get to see the car/bike (the important part of the show anyway) and it eliminates most of the drama. Usually, if I even watch parts 1 and 2 of a 3 part build series, I have the sound muted out and have the radio on as I read a car mag or something. Anyone else do the same?

streetfytr68, can I get a triple shot latte with 1 percent? I need a buzz...:seizure:

[Ralph LoGrasso]

My Uncle has friends that live up in Orange County, supposidly they're good friends with the OCC crew. He said they grossed $75million in '04. Not sure how accurate that is, but judging that they're in a bigger and better shop every other episode, I'd say it isn't too far off.

I also heard that Mikey was the one to pay Discover Channel to film the first episode, or first few.

[trapin]

I also heard that Mikey was the one to pay Discover Channel to film the first episode, or first few.
Mikey paid Discovery Channel to film the first few episodes? did I read that right? Why would Mikey have to pay Discovery Channel to come to the shop and film them? And where is Mikey getting all this money? I don't understand that. :hmm:

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Mikey paid Discovery Channel to film the first few episodes? did I read that right? Why would Mikey have to pay Discovery Channel to come to the shop and film them? And where is Mikey getting all this money? I don't understand that. :hmm:

I'm not sure, I just heard it through the grapevine. I could be wrong. What I was told was that Mikey approached discover channel to film his brother and father. I'm not sure how much money was paid, or what was done, but that's just what I was told. Maybe Mikey is the creative genious behind it all, lol?

[Foudie]

He must be putting on one hell of an act if that is the case. He does not seem to be the kind of person with enough initiative to approach Discovery Channel for anything more than a part time job in the janitorial department. With that said he does seem like he would be a blast to hang out with! :woot:

[trapin]

You never know....he might be.

I enjoyed the show the first season it was on but when they built 'The Gillette Bike' I really felt that the show had finally........

Are you ready?

{DRUM ROLL PLEASE}



.......Jumped The Shark.

[jy211]

I've heard it was around $100K paid to Discovery....

[Travis B]

Another OCC SideNote------->

The NAPA "DragBike" they built , almost killed one of their employees two weeks after it was built. The frame cracked right under the neck , and the bike collapsed onto itself .

Great work - Great Products - OCC Rules !

Mikey must have been welding again! :pat:

[ProTeal55]

Mikey is actually prob. the most level headed of all the " Gang "
He actually did approach Discovery with an idea to build a show based on his father's side business , OCC.

Paul Sr. makes his main bread & butter from Orange County Steel.

OCC and the Tetuls are the biggest joke in the motorcycle world , and always will be. I laugh when i see people wearing OCC hats and t-shirts , becasue all it is doing is put more cash in their pockets...

[vanzuuk1]

Damn , I actually know the true story on how discovery found occ. The discovery channel was looking for more builders after they had success with jesse. They called american iron magazine and spoke to my friend from years back, chris maida, and asked about east coast builders.They went to occ to ffilm a oneoff episode and someone decided they had the new osbornes! Chris appears in the first show and still speaks to the occ guys, he says paul sr. is a good guy, but thats all I can repeat without his permission.When chris came to my bachelor party I told him if he hadnt called discovery channel back the world would be a better place.

I cant take the rich dicks on credit card choppers who look at me and my gsxr like I should tremble in their presence. I usually give them the pud/pull gesture and stand it up. Well, I use to, now I just pull away.
How can you wear a choppers for life patch a month after you buy your first freakin bike?

sorry , that turned into a rant.

[ProTeal55]

A rant it was , but the truth you speak....

[Travis B]

A rant it was , but the truth you speak....

Agreed
You can rant all you want as long as you speak the truth :firefire:

[Foudie]

I was at the sand dunes when I saw Discovery Channel filming Roger Bourget of Bourget Bike Works here in Phoenix. They were doing a documentary on his sandrail business. Apparently they had a disagreement on who should pay for what and the show never aired. It is a shame, I think it would be a great show. If I remember right Harshman's kid brother was there with Bourget and crew.

[Bill Howell]

How many here are old enough to remember the biker helmet sticker that says, "$15K and 15 miles doesn't make you a biker"?
Same scenario applys today, just change the amount to 25K or 50K. It truely is a shame that "parts assemblers" are the mecca of bike builders now. Whether you like him or not, at least Jessie is a craftsman. The more and more yuppies take over the hobby, the less I enjoy riding. While not a 1%er, I can remember riding when riding carried a stigma, and leaking oil was expected.
The real joke of it all is people will balk at anyone not riding a HD when BMW and Goldwing are so far ahead of HD that it is not even funny. BMW has had anti lock brakes for 10(?) years now and HD still doesn't.
I still can not see buying a Bimmer, but it surely is tempting. I must be gettin old-LOL

[vanzuuk1]

Jessie seems like an arrogant !@#$ , but if I had personal fabricater, he would be the man.I like his taste in cars, bikes, whatever. He definately puts his money where his mouth is , he does wheelies or burnouts every time he turns the key.

The funny thing is whenever I get a gift from an in law its a harley or occ shirt,its like giving a camaro guy a mustang shirt...hey thanks...(no offense to you h-d guys)

[trapin]

I don't own a bike and don't think I ever will, but if I was going to get into the hobby I think a Harley Davidson would be the last bike I'd own. Not that I have anything against Harley Davidson's or that I think they're junk. It's just that every Tom, D!ck, and Harry from every walk of life has one now. My former boss (who retired last year) has two of them and he's the world's biggest gomer. I would much rather own a custom bike that's designed to my liking. To hell with going fast, custom bikes are for cruising. When I'm going fast, I like to know that I'm surrounded by sheet metal, not air. I just don't have the nerve for that. Gimmie a custom bike or chopper any day, I love em!

Yep....gone is the old Harley rider with his leather vest, brain bucket and patch showing member affiliation. Today he's replaced with the poser on his bone stock Sportster wearing all his Harley garb that he bought in the Harley Davidson gift shop after swiping his Visa and signing the papers. A sad end to a golden era.

But I'll bet Harley Davidson Corporate is grinnin' ear to ear these days.

[ProTeal55]

Actually HD Coporate is doing everything they can to get a part of the "custom" trend in motorcycles thats is now going on. See how now for 2006 they offer a flat black Dyna model ???

Go look at any HD Dealership , allot , if not all , have brand new 2004 models still sitting on their salesfloor , along with a sea of 2005's. This is because companies such as BigDog Motorcycles are making bikes that have larger motors , wider tires, better brakes, better transmissions , and just plain better parts and have the same 2yr/un-limited mile warranty that HD offers. Not that I am biased or anything :headbang:

The fact is , HD is losin allot of $$ to companies such as BigDog , becasue people are finnaly realizin that why should they buy a brand new HD Fatboy, throw a wide tire kit on it , larger motor, 6-speed trans, etc and have a total of $40,000 into a bike , that bluebooks for $18,000 ! When they can walk into a dealership , and purchase a bike with a large motor , custom paintjob, wide tire, etc for $25,000 , and will actually bluebook for $25,000.....

But , as I said , to each their own.....

[Steve Chryssos]

........and he's the world's biggest gomer....

:lmao: :seizure: :lmao: :seizure:

I love that! What's a gomer? Explain it to me so I can use it here.

[MuscleRodz]

:doh: I think I know this one. He is referring to Gomer Pyle.

Mike

[Protour_Pinto]

Another OCC SideNote------->

The NAPA "DragBike" they built , almost killed one of their employees two weeks after it was built. The frame cracked right under the neck , and the bike collapsed onto itself .

Great work - Great Products - OCC Rules !

Yea, Just ask Leno what he thinks of that pile of crap they built for him. I see him actually riding that "Thing" from time to time. I always tell him to please put that bike away so it wont ruin the image of bikes that actually work!

Maybe they will go the way of West Coast Choppers and sell out to Discovery.

[Protour_Pinto]

I cant take the rich dicks on credit card choppers who look at me and my gsxr like I should tremble in their presence. I usually give them the pud/pull gesture and stand it up. Well, I use to, now I just pull away.


I get the same crap too. I ride a motorcycle for a living in Los Angeles and come friday evening all the "Platinum Riders" come out and block traffic with piles of turds they call bikes.

My home built GSXR Streetfighter would run circles around them and it has over 120,000 miles on it! My everyday mule right now is a SV1000, How can the choppers compare to real Motorcycles!

The only trembling I do is from thier Too Loud pipes!

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Protour, what do you do for a living, if you don't mind me asking? Are you a cop? You said you ride a bike all day, so I'm curious.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that thinks OCC butchers their bikes up big time. I can't believe some of the hack jobs they show them doing, if that was my business and I operated it like that (which I wouldn't) I surely wouldn't want people seeing my quick-fixes to big problems. I would love to see OCC go up against one of the real builders that they feature on Biker Build off. Some of those guys are pretty talented.

[Protour_Pinto]

When I'm going fast, I like to know that I'm surrounded by sheet metal, not air. I just don't have the nerve for that. .

If you ever get a chance to try you might be hooked! Nothing like carving that perfect corner at over a ton and having the front end wiggle a bit just to let you know your alive!



Yep....gone is the old Harley rider with his leather vest, brain bucket and patch showing member affiliation. A sad end to a golden era.

Granted there are not as many but they are still around. A group of them just left my place a hour ago. Devils Diciples, A group of good people, Just cant spell to save their life! They have a big club house just off Gratiot not too far from you. They are more of a Drinking Club with a motorcycle problem, But they will mix it up when cornered.


But I'll bet Harley Davidson Corporate is grinnin' ear to ear these days.

I was told if they stopped making bikes they double the $$ they made in a year!

[Protour_Pinto]

Protour, what do you do for a living, if you don't mind me asking? Are you a cop? You said you ride a bike all day, so I'm curious.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that thinks OCC butchers their bikes up big time. I can't believe some of the hack jobs they show them doing, if that was my business and I operated it like that (which I wouldn't) I surely wouldn't want people seeing my quick-fixes to big problems. I would love to see OCC go up against one of the real builders that they feature on Biker Build off. Some of those guys are pretty talented.

I'm a Motorcycle messenger. I do mostly process serving, I can do a lot more on the bike and since I get commision I need to do a BUNCH!! I have a big feed bill for the animals and I buy a new bike every 2 years. I still supply animals for the movies when the job arises.

I am right down the street from Exile cycles, My buddy (patch holder) went there to tell them to stop building **** and make a bike that can stand up to everyday abuse. They said "Why, Nobody rides that much here."

I think the best build show is the biker buildoff. I like Billy Lanes stuff. Grassroots and it seems to work pretty well once that start.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

I'm a Motorcycle messenger. I do mostly process serving, I can do a lot more on the bike and since I get commision I need to do a BUNCH!! I have a big feed bill for the animals and I buy a new bike every 2 years. I still supply animals for the movies when the job arises.

I am right down the street from Exile cycles, My buddy (patch holder) went there to tell them to stop building **** and make a bike that can stand up to everyday abuse. They said "Why, Nobody rides that much here."

I think the best build show is the biker buildoff. I like Billy Lanes stuff. Grassroots and it seems to work pretty well once that start.

Ahh I gotcha! Very cool that you get to ride a bike all day. I want a bike... Pick up any new interesting snakes recently?

Biker buildoff is really cool. I forgot the name of the guy but, it may be Billy Lanes. The dude that broke his arm mid build one time, and they held off a few weeks until it healed. I really like the bikes that guy builds, or atleast what I saw of them. Very much my style of chopper. If I ever get a bike, it'd be an R6 or Ducati 600, though..

[Protour_Pinto]

My Gabbon and Rhino Vipers had babies a few weeks ago, Finally got one of the King Cobras to eat a small rabbit. The female is still holding out but that is fine, I have a freezer full of baby Burmese that she sucks up like spagetti. Just picked up a Shielded Nose Cobra, Not exactly what I had pictured, I may send her back. Capybara had another baby.

Just another day at the farm!

Back to Boyd.......Blue Bear is working at Circle City Hotrods. The owner is another one of Boyds ex-employees. Charlie does most of his painting.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

My Gabbon and Rhino Vipers had babies a few weeks ago, Finally got one of the King Cobras to eat a small rabbit. The female is still holding out but that is fine, I have a freezer full of baby Burmese that she sucks up like spagetti. Just picked up a Shielded Nose Cobra, Not exactly what I had pictured, I may send her back. Capybara had another baby.

Just another day at the farm!

Back to Boyd.......Blue Bear is working at Circle City Hotrods. The owner is another one of Boyds ex-employees. Charlie does most of his painting.


Very cool on the snakes! You've got an amazing collection. Rhino Vipers are my favorite.

I heard about blue bear working at circle city. I'm glad charlie left, too. I liked him the best out of the whole boyd crew. It's cool to see him working for Foose now.

[Protour_Pinto]

Very cool on the snakes! You've got an amazing collection.


NO,NO,NO dont say Collection! THe I.R.S. will nail my a$$ to the floor, Its a farm! LOL

I liked Charlie an his crew also. I dont think I could be a part of the drama that the tv guys and boyd want. I guess I'm more like Al, Just keep the cameras out of my face and let me work. I've been known to be a bit anti-social. Thats why the process serving/repo thing works for me.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

NO,NO,NO dont say Collection! THe I.R.S. will nail my a$$ to the floor, Its a farm! LOL

I liked Charlie an his crew also. I dont think I could be a part of the drama that the tv guys and boyd want. I guess I'm more like Al, Just keep the cameras out of my face and let me work. I've been known to be a bit anti-social. Thats why the process serving/repo thing works for me.

LOL, Farm, I meant farm...did i say collection? Heh.

I would want the cameras out of my face if i worked there as well. They must get annoying all the time...

[vanzuuk1]

I am on my third version, about 100,000 miles on the frame.

What does jay leno say about the occ bike?

[Protour_Pinto]

Cool bike. We dont need no stinkin plastic!

Here is mine. Its been a bit citizenized because I needed it for work for a while. 120,000 miles so far. I bought it used from a chick a few years ago with 18,000 miles.

[vanzuuk1]

Awesome!

are those exhaust cans from a kawi?

Is that a 750 motor, looks like a cable clutch.

I have a lot of parts, let me know if you need anything.

[Protour_Pinto]

Awesome!

are those exhaust cans from a kawi?

Is that a 750 motor, looks like a cable clutch.

I have a lot of parts, let me know if you need anything.

The mufflers are from a TLS, Yep its a 750 bottom end with a Bandit 1200 top end. I had to fly cut the top case to get the cyls to fit but I wanted the 6 speed trans. It has the GSXR Cams and Head from the 89 750. Front end and swingarm from a 94, Bandit wheels.

[vanzuuk1]

so you have a six speed? sweet. mine is a frankenstien bike also,katana motor,gsxr 750 rims and fork,custom tail and misc. pieces. I have got 36 mm flatslides but there a little jerky, I may look for kehins.I made a little fairing like a buell, but have not mounted it yet.