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Vicinity
06-26-2012, 07:52 AM
Couple of quick questions. I know the Fbod oil pan needs modification to fit (with setback mounts??), can a gto pan be worked over the same way?
Will the GTO accessories work like the Fbody accessories will? (IE Fit)
Basically, I have the choice between a GTO and an Fbody LS1, I'm wondering which would be easier and cheaper to swap in. The Fbody LS1 @ 1600 for everything (minus the harness) and the GTO @ 2200 for everything (including harness).
nathanr15
06-26-2012, 02:57 PM
The gto oil pan is a front sump so you needed a new pan. I also believe that the gto alt has different mounting holes that dont work with a kwik performance bracket if you go that route
John@Texas-Speed
06-26-2012, 05:52 PM
GM has a hot rod oil pan kit which uses the Hummer oil pan if I remember correctly. I don't remember the price right off the top of my head but I can get it once I am back at the shop in the morning.
nothing GTO will work, every thing in that crazy car is just about GTO only
nothing GTO will work, every thing in that crazy car is just about GTO only, from what I noticed wen I did the swap we have a GTO in the shop and everything is crazy on that thing
John@Texas-Speed
06-28-2012, 08:07 AM
Gm part #19212593 is the hot rod oil pan kit. We sell them for right at 189.99 and it will include the Oil Pan, Dip Stick, Dip Stick Tube, Windage Tray, Pickup Tube, Gasket and Bolts. We have used this kit on a number of cars we have done including a camaro. I know sometimes the different subframes can be a problem, but usually this kit works.
carguy502
06-28-2012, 09:01 AM
Gm part #19212593 is the hot rod oil pan kit. We sell them for right at 189.99 and it will include the Oil Pan, Dip Stick, Dip Stick Tube, Windage Tray, Pickup Tube, Gasket and Bolts. We have used this kit on a number of cars we have done including a camaro. I know sometimes the different subframes can be a problem, but usually this kit works.
Not to thread jack, but how is the fitment of this kit, specifically referring to how low the pan hangs with respect to the cross member in a first gen
f body?
Don
Vicinity
06-28-2012, 09:05 AM
Not to thread jack, but how is the fitment of this kit, specifically referring to how low the pan hangs with respect to the cross member in a first gen
f body?
Don
Also curious, I have Ridetech 2 inch drop spindles, and the last thing I want is the oil pan being ripped out from under me.
John@Texas-Speed
06-28-2012, 11:16 AM
It looks like the gm pan will hang about 3" lower then the cross member on the first gens, since this kit uses the truck oil pan I can see why that happens. For any of the builds that need extra clearance we recommend looking at the Holley Oil pan, it will sit almost even with the cross member.
Vicinity
06-28-2012, 12:27 PM
It looks like the gm pan will hang about 3" lower then the cross member on the first gens, since this kit uses the truck oil pan I can see why that happens. For any of the builds that need extra clearance we recommend looking at the Holley Oil pan, it will sit almost even with the cross member.
I was looking at that pan, Ridetech used it on the 48Hr Camaro, but for 400, ouch.
BulldawgMusclecars
06-28-2012, 03:33 PM
The Hot Rod pan works great for us, but we use BRP mounts almost exclusively. It only hangs down about an inch below the front crossmember.
I used the Moroso pan part# 20140 its made for a remote filter system, it uses the stock windage tray thats in the motor but you do need there pickup fits perfect in a first Gen Camaro
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Vicinity
06-28-2012, 03:44 PM
I used the Moroso pan part# 20140 its made for a remote filter system, it uses the stock windage tray thats in the motor but you do need there pickup fits perfect in a first Gen Camaro
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My interest is peaked. How did you go about installing the remote filter? This seems like it may be a suitable option at less than $250.
the pan has -10 ports on the side for the in and out I reduced it down to -8 and just mounted a remote filter mount on the inner fender well
Vicinity
07-01-2012, 07:50 AM
Ok some say the pan is structural to the engine, some say it's not. What's the call on this?
I'm gonna put my car on the lift and get some measurements, if I need the room, I'll have to go with one of the aftermarket steel pans, if I don't, I'll grab the Fbody pan. But I'm nervous after reading so much about the structural thing.
BuzzKillian
07-01-2012, 05:53 PM
I could be all wrong on this... BUT... It looks to me the structural part is the trans bolting to the pan, I would think if you're using a SFI bellhousing, it would not be a problem.
Vicinity
07-02-2012, 12:51 AM
Well, Ridetech used the Holley pan, and since I have TruTurn, I'm just gonna cough up for it, better safe than sorry.
I noticed, the Trans dapt set back 1" mounts are exactly the same as the STOCK Holley mounts. That doesn't make much sense to me, but I'm going with the Transdapt (Carshop) mounts to safe a few bucks. I could care less about the billet.
daytonayellaz
07-05-2012, 02:53 PM
I could be all wrong on this... BUT... It looks to me the structural part is the trans bolting to the pan, I would think if you're using a SFI bellhousing, it would not be a problem.
There is more to it than this... The cast pans do provide a lot of bottom end strength to the motors. GM has info out there stating exactly this.
Dan...good talking to you today! Your new Mast oil pan should ship out tomorrow.
There is more to it than this... The cast pans do provide a lot of bottom end strength to the motors. GM has info out there stating exactly this.
:hand: what else is GM going to tell you? because all they make is a cast pan, and you can argue that all pans provide bottom end strength as a matter of fact we produced a cast Iron frame (girddle) that bolted in place of the pan and surrounded the bottom of the race motors and allowed the crankshaft caps to be retained from the sides also, then the pan bolted to it, we made that back in the 60's, and raced with them for 20+ years, you can see the pictures of that in the article about us in this months(july) Hot Rod Deluxe, and now its incorporated into the new LS motors, the very same guy who invented that is now 82 years old and still building motors here, you can look us up on the web were 50 years old and still racing (Gotelli Speed Shop)
daytonayellaz
07-05-2012, 03:58 PM
I have had just about all the pans in my possession... I cant even count how many Mast oil pans I have installed. Easy to see exactly why the cast pans ad the strength they do. Especially with the aluminum block motors. There will be one on all my personal motors....unless for some reason or another there is a fitment issue and no cast pan available. Can you provide a link to the magazine article please? Looks like it would be some good reading:cheers:
Vicinity
07-06-2012, 06:10 AM
If I ended up with a Truck engine (iron), I would undoubtedly go with a steel pan, because iron is stronger, and obviously the blocks are cheaper. But I don't want even the slightest bit of unsureity (probably not a word, but whatever) when building the engine I really want for my car. I want to be able stomp it and have nothing on my mind but a giant grin on my face.
Thanks again, Travis, for the pan and the good bit of knowledge. Anyone reading this thread and looking into an LS swap, give a shout to Travis, he's good people.
daytonayellaz
07-14-2012, 04:45 PM
Thanks again, Travis, for the pan and the good bit of knowledge. Anyone reading this thread and looking into an LS swap, give a shout to Travis, he's good people.
My pleasure Dan.... Happy to help! Keep after it and you will get it done!:cheers:
Vicinity
07-18-2012, 05:51 AM
Just a quick update... I got the pan from Travis, and it was so easy to install.
Literally the most annoying part was finding out the stock gasket was riveted on the old pan.
The Mast pan is 100% what you need when swapping into a first gen. It offers an incredible amount of clearance. Give Travis a call, he'll set you up right.
72Z/28
12-30-2012, 06:41 AM
My pleasure Dan.... Happy to help! Keep after it and you will get it done!:cheers:
Hello Travis
My 68 camaro is equipped with Speedtech subframe complete kit, stainless steel works headers and LS6 engine. Currently I have the Milodon oil pan with a remote oil filter, which I feel it is taking too much space and would like to get rid of.
I am leaning towards the MAST Motorsports oil pan as well. Just wondering how is it going to fit with the Speedtech Subframe? Is it going to be flush with the crossmember?
Looking forward to hearing your input on that one
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