Well so much for a local sheriff having patience,,,,

[MonzaRacer]

So been back to work since Feb 27, had three techs in shop, one out with prostate cancer surgery, the other up and quit so I am the only one in shop other than 2 lube techs and Service manager.
Well it was loooonngggg day, went to Sears to exchange a tool, then watched Transformers Dark side of The Moon.
Was on way home,,,,almost got home but wind was up and throwing car around at times, I was having issues with on coming head lights,,,sooo I pull over to take short nap ,,,,only about 5 miles from home but if Im tired, Im tired.
So wasnt getting any good radio stations to work I put in my ear phones and was listening to mp3 player.
So cop was tapping on window,,,well I open door so he can see I have my pistol next to seat on floor, hands in plain view. I tell him about being tired, car wanting to wander, etc. so he is about to let me go back to nap or what ever then asks me to get out of car. So hands in plain view, I tell him to give me a second Im stiff,,hey I WAS napping in a bucket seat of a Cavalier vand had been up since 5:30 in morning like I told him. So I work on getting out of car,,,cop gets obnoxious, starts getting all agitated , I had a bad back spasm, told him so. Asked him for a second, as it was VERY painful, all of a sudden he slams me to ground, yelling at me about he told me to move to back of car,,,but guess I didnt move as fast as he THOUGHT I should, asks me about permit and for my license.
So he gets all snotty, starts giving me crap about gun, I told him THAT was why I had door open, was about to let him know about it whe nhe asked me to get out.
So calls in another cop from town up road, they hand cuff me, empty my pants pockets, jacket pockets, etc. LOTS of crap I carry.
I have bottle of vicodin from when I had my teeth pulled in my pocket, from last year. They give me some kind of crap about the scrip being out of date and I CANT have them on me, strange I never heard of a one time fill scrip expiring.
So they give me song and dance about they could charge me with having them or take them or crush them right there. Oh they run my gun, license etc. STILL being snotty and condescending as all get out.
Kind of weird and crappy night, and pisses me off as I have teeth that may try to abscess soon,, gotta try to get back into dentist before that happens.
BUT weird night all in all and cop STAYS ****ty after all the crap they pull. Gives me all the jazz about for both of our safety, YET he was the guy with hand on gun ready to draw on me and all.
So i have just reevaluated my impression of that counties deputy's, used to be when I pulled over nap on way from home for last nearly 9 yrs they just thanked me for not driving tired.
Oh boy so much fun.

[DartorDemon]

You only have yourself to blame genius. It's never a smart idea to just "act" when you have a gun. Legal or not. It would've been smarter to say "officer, I'm a looney gun nut napping in my car with a handgun"

Then the Officer isn't shocked that to have a gun.

[CarlC]

You should buy that officer a beer since you are lucky to be alive. He also has every right to be snotty and upset. You acted in a way that he felt, and was justified in feeling, threatened his life. Having the pistol on the seat next to you will not garner any sympathy from an officer who wants to go home to his family just like the rest of us.

Step into his shoes. He finds someone seemingly passed out on the side of the road with a pistol in the seat next to him and unable to follow commands exactly as told. Are you drunk? High? He does not know. The officer has no idea who you are, your health, or your motives. He does not know if you have another weapon hidden on your person. He only knows what the situational facts are and that his life is in jeopardy. Take it as something learned and be thankful that you're not in a hospital or worse.

[MonzaRacer]

DUDE gun was tucked UNDER side of bucket seat,,,,not sitting on seat beside me. couldnt have pulled it if Iwanted too. He didnt even ask about weapons or anything, and I was respectful AND did keep my hands in open well away from anything that could have been used as weapon
I have been in his shoes many years ago.
NEVER gave him any reason to open up a bad attitude. HE decided to escalate situation.
AND steal my property under guise of "confiscation" . HE gave me reason to NOT trust him,, wish I had his name and badge number. I have been pulling over and napping in this area and county for nearly 10 yrs,,,never had any issues till tonight.

[DirtShark]

you can't make up stuff this good...

[DartorDemon]

DUDE gun was tucked UNDER side of bucket seat,,,,not sitting on seat beside me. couldnt have pulled it if Iwanted too. He didnt even ask about weapons or anything, and I was respectful AND did keep my hands in open well away from anything that could have been used as weapon
I have been in his shoes many years ago.
NEVER gave him any reason to open up a bad attitude. HE decided to escalate situation.
AND steal my property under guise of "confiscation" . HE gave me reason to NOT trust him,, wish I had his name and badge number. I have been pulling over and napping in this area and county for nearly 10 yrs,,,never had any issues till tonight.

Again, you acted in a manner that made you a "potential" threat. You're in the wrong here. Even if you feel you couldnt pull it, the cop can't know that. Be rational about this.(i know from our other convo.s this may be difficult).

Steal your property? you mean the vics? Out of curiosity, are you remotely informed about how bad it looks to have a bottle of vicoden(a regularly abused substance) in your car? Especially when its one that's not recommended for taking and then driving.

His out of date statement may/may not be BS, but how is he to know you're not an abuser? You're sleeping on the side of the road with a gun and a potent muscle relaxer. Then on top of all that you're slow to obey his words which someone might be if they had nodded out from taking too many pills.

In the future, would be wise to you know, leave the gun at home. Like a sane human.

[MonzaRacer]

First of all where does it say owning and carrying a gun or having a scrip IN THE BOTTLE it came in were illegal. I have a carry permit and as for leaving my gun at home untill the second amendment is repealed or constitution is destroyed or nullified AND my lifetime permit is revoked,,,I will not leave MY safety to a person who has to use lights, siren and time to get to where trouble is.
I am not a 18 yr old punk, I am a 44 yr old person, who told him I was tired and sore from long day at work. I broke my hip back in 94, so I DO move slow, I was getting out, HE had his hand on HIS gun, supposedly trained "officer".
I have a lot of respect IF its also given. AND I was NOT under influence on anything except hard work. Under law last time I read I was innocent until proven guilty. Last time had cop ask about gun had me pull it out with two fingers,, he unloads it on hood, then we chat, he hands me back gun then ammo. This guy totally over reacted, first was going to let me go, THEN decides to get all crappy.
Out of curiosity, since when does a single fill scrip ever become out dated? So far I have text 3 doctors I know,,, they say only recurring ones can "go out of date" or "expire".
Also with clean record AND clean background check and legally prescribed medicines in the bottle,,not sure just how bad that looks.
and let me see, a sane human is prepared for worst , thus I have carry permit and carry legally.
If trouble would come my way where I need my firearm, and its 40 to 50 miles away,,,,hmmmm not very smart.
And as I told him I was at work all day , heck Im all dirty from work, in my uniform, got tools in car.
Cop just got ****ty for no reason,,AND kept it up.
I am rational, and I know firearms. And I do know that there would have been no way to pull gun OR attack the way I was reacting to his instructions.
And how can having difficulty getting out of a car and having a back spasm (cramp) is acting as potential threat then that cop is VERY out of his element,,ie he needs new career.
I have been pulled over by cops back from Iraq and Afghanistan, with gun on my hip and never got treated so bad. And some of those guy should be on razors edge possibly.
Oh well. He is the dip stick. NOT me. And their "excuse" for stealing my property doesnt hold water,,,if bottle had different name, so be it, but it was MINE. I bought and paid for them. THEFT period is all it was,,and I have no way to know for sure that they will be destroyed rather than stolen by cops.

[DartorDemon]

hmm, with all this absurdity/ignorance, i guess i'll have to break it down and hope the logical points stick(i doubt it)


First of all where does it say owning and carrying a gun or having a scrip IN THE BOTTLE it came in were illegal. I have a carry permit and as for leaving my gun at home untill the second amendment is repealed or constitution is destroyed or nullified AND my lifetime permit is revoked,,,I will not leave MY safety to a person who has to use lights, siren and time to get to where trouble is.

Your state gave you a lifetime permit...that scares me. From the stories you've told in the chat(brandishing said weapon on an douche bag), you seem to me to be the perfect example of what gun control advocates worry about.

Why might an office be bothered by your perscription? well its a muscle relaxer, that is often abused(please get that), and people can get popped for DUI's when they drive while under the influence of it. It'd almost be like if you had an old open beer in your car. Sure you werent drinking it, but HOW is the cop to know? They're not physic.



I am not a 18 yr old punk, I am a 44 yr old person, who told him I was tired and sore from long day at work. I broke my hip back in 94, so I DO move slow, I was getting out, HE had his hand on HIS gun, supposedly trained "officer".
I have a lot of respect IF its also given. AND I was NOT under influence on anything except hard work. Under law last time I read I was innocent until proven guilty. Last time had cop ask about gun had me pull it out with two fingers,, he unloads it on hood, then we chat, he hands me back gun then ammo. This guy totally over reacted, first was going to let me go, THEN decides to get all crappy.
Out of curiosity, since when does a single fill scrip ever become out dated? So far I have text 3 doctors I know,,, they say only recurring ones can "go out of date" or "expire".
Also with clean record AND clean background check and legally prescribed medicines in the bottle,,not sure just how bad that looks.
and let me see, a sane human is prepared for worst , thus I have carry permit and carry legally.
If trouble would come my way where I need my firearm, and its 40 to 50 miles away,,,,hmmmm not very smart.


Having been 18 at one time, i take offense to that. Most 18 year olds i know would show much better judgement. That "supposedly trained officer" acted just as he was trained. You acted in a suprising manner and had a freakin gun in the car. If you hadnt acted like such an idiot, you might have had a similar experience as you did in other instances. This again falls under: officer is not physic and will look out for his own safety first(per training)

medications(the drugs themselves) do have expiration dates and you're suppose to properly dispose of them. An expired medication might raise the question of what you're doing with them in your car.

A sane human has the wits to "avoid trouble". You're just an alarmist expecting some rampaging shooter. Which is...eh fine, but just be prepared for what comes with that. More headaches with the police who'd rather not deal with someone who's got a loaded gun hiding in their car.



And as I told him I was at work all day , heck Im all dirty from work, in my uniform, got tools in car.
Cop just got ****ty for no reason,,AND kept it up.
I am rational, and I know firearms. And I do know that there would have been no way to pull gun OR attack the way I was reacting to his instructions.
And how can having difficulty getting out of a car and having a back spasm (cramp) is acting as potential threat then that cop is VERY out of his element,,ie he needs new career.
I have been pulled over by cops back from Iraq and Afghanistan, with gun on my hip and never got treated so bad. And some of those guy should be on razors edge possibly.
Oh well. He is the dip stick. NOT me. And their "excuse" for stealing my property doesnt hold water,,,if bottle had different name, so be it, but it was MINE. I bought and paid for them. THEFT period is all it was,,and I have no way to know for sure that they will be destroyed rather than stolen by cops.

The cop got ****ty because of the way you acted. And no i still contend you're not rational. You keep replying with "me me, I I I, etc". You're failing to rationalize from the viewpoint of the cop. Who doesnt know about any backspasm or the difficultly from the car. He just sees a citizen with drugs and a gun, sleeping, who surprisingly opened the car door without warning, and then was not or was slow to obey commands(depending on his viewpoint)

LOL! your name on the meds means nothing. Plenty of people get pain meds from their doctors by faking pains and then abuse/sell the drug. That's why oxycoton is/was a huge issue in florida. People would get giant perscriptions IN THEIR NAME and abuse the hell out of those drugs.

[Chevelle598bb]

I'm sure it would not be hard to find out who the officer was if you would like to file a complaint. When an officer checks out on a suspicious vehicle he will notify dispatch of his call type and location. All those transmissions are recorded.

Most patrol cars are now fitted with audio and visual recording devices not only for criminal prosecution purposes but also complaint substantiation. Hopefully the officer recorded the contact with you (suspicious vehicle investigation).

So if you feel that you were treated unfairly, unprofessionally, force when force was not necessary or that your constitutional rights were violated then please make a complaint. Hopefully there was a video and the deputy's Sargent will tell you to go pound sand after reviewing the video (based on your story). Or if he believes the deputy acted in a manner that did not represent the policies, general orders and laws of his state and county than the deputy will be disciplined accordingly.

[Jetfixr320]

He has a Handgun permit, that he had to be fingerprinted and pass a background check to recieve. Some States allow you to carry a handgun in a car as long as it's in plain sight ( on dash or on the seat ) even without a permit. I would say the next time, don't open the door. Roll your window down 1st, then tell the officer that you have a permit and have a gun in the car.

I also have a lifetime license, and when I buy a handgun they run a check on you again. And it can be revoked by the State.

As for having a controlled substance, get a new prescription. Just to cover your ass. But, they obviously didn't think he was under the influance or they could have taken him in to have a blood test. The cop probably split them up with his buddies later. Wouldn't be the first time that happened.

And in the future, pull into a rest area or a parking lot to take naps. That should prevent future run-ins while napping.

I'm not sure why Demon is lashing out with the personal attack on you?

[parsonsj]

That'll do folks. That'll do.