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dusterbd13
02-11-2012, 04:10 PM
ok, so i had origonally not planned on going EFI with my 70 duster build. things and tastes change, and now i AM going EFI.
im debating between in tank or out of tank pump placement. i dont want to buy another new tank, and cannot weld good enough to put a sump in my tank. it is not baffeled, either, so theoretically it would have to be sumped.
that was until i found these:
http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/html/pickups.html
apparently the rock crawler guys are using one of these in all 4 corners of their fuel tanks, plumbed in series with hardline and very small sections of fuel submersable line (17 a foot at NAPA according to one thread.)
that takes care of the sumping issue roght there.
ill be running 60PSI of rail pressure, using a C5 corvette fuel pressure regulator/filter assembly with the return line built in, and a single feed up tpo my rails. ill be supporting 400 at the rear wheels at the moment, but am planning 6PSI of boost from a centrifugal supercharger later on down the road.
so now my debate is about wether to put the pump in the tank like a stock EFI application, or run a rail mounted external pump. currently, i have a holley blue pump mounted acternally, and truly, truly hate it. with a passion. its really loud. will an aftermarket EFI pressure poump be the sanme? will it starve being siphon fed at my power levels? will it overheat and die quickly due to the pressure and supply demand?
this is a car that gets a LOT of street miles, and quite a few track miles (autocross and open).
if an intank would be preffereable, how would i go about getting it in there without cutting or welding the tank? how would i hook up the pickups to it?
lots of questions, a half baked plan, and searching for experience and advice. please help.
michael

Ollie8974
02-12-2012, 05:01 AM
554175541555416Do you know how deep the fuel tank is? I recommenced a 4th gen Firebird/Camaro fuel pump module. How ever the tank needs to be a minimum of 9 inches deep.
The bucket is spring loaded and compresses when installed in the tank.

parsonsj
02-12-2012, 07:36 AM
Michael,

You owe it to yourself to see the best possible solution. www.vaporworx.com Check out the RetroWorx link on the left side of the page.

Bryce
02-12-2012, 07:48 AM
Are you worried about having to fun an approved cell with bladder?

THose pickups look cool, nice find.

CarlC
02-12-2012, 09:02 AM
It's not quite as easy as it first appears with those pickups. They need suction to work correctly. Where are you going to get a suction source? In-line electric fuel pumps do not do well with suction.

Twentyover
02-12-2012, 03:20 PM
Michael,

You owe it to yourself to see the best possible solution. www.vaporworx.com (http://www.vaporworx.com) Check out the RetroWorx link on the left side of the page.



True enough, John, but you read all the application restrictions (stainless tank, 7-8.5", not intended for stock type tanks [I'm not sure what that means-" stock type"].) I'm facing the same dilemma- an unusual application, stepped tank height (5.5-13"), stock tank made from terne- so my choices are???? Not every one drives a Camaro.

dusterbd13
02-12-2012, 04:03 PM
yup. i can get a custom made tank, but that will cost as much as i have in my five speed and EFI combined. just cant swing that, which means working with what i have and finding solutions that may exist WELL outside of the box.

i know electric pumps are designed to be pushers, hence my concern about killing a rail mounted pump under hard cornering and odd inclines.

ive thought about cutting my pickup tube, welding a little support, and installing an in tank pump that way. dunno if thatll work, though.

michael

parsonsj
02-12-2012, 04:07 PM
stock tank made from terne- so my choices are????What is "terne"? Is that plastic?

I've adapted the VaporWorx system into an 11" (stainless steel) and a 9" (aluminum) tank. Both Camaros, but neither were stock dimensions. It's a matter of making the tray insert with the ring adapter match up with a flat spot in the tank at the right height.

Twentyover
02-12-2012, 04:59 PM
Terne is a lead/tin coating mixture. The term is also used to identify steel sheet plated with terne. Many 'steel' tanks are made of terne-it's the stuff you can scrape off a steel tank's surface.

As it stand's, I've cleaned the stock tank (in great shape for 1976), but fear I'll need to go with a surge tank