just another twin turbo 'Cuda build...

[sccacuda]

I figured it was about time to post a few pics of my '70 'Cuda. This has been a LONG term work in progress, but it's finally ready for paint. When I got the car, I was only going to do a cosmetic resto and do a mild 340 Six Pak setup. Although it was a solid California car, I found some filler in the quarters and decided to strip it down.

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[sccacuda]

I wanted to redo the suspension, and looked at several aftermarket K-frames. They could not fix the positive camber issue on compression. The best they could do was stay neutral, but won't gain negative. This was years before XV so I built a jig off a Corvette and decided to adapt it. It was important to me to keep the car a unibody if for nothing else purity. It would have been SOOOO much easier to just build a frame for it.
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[sccacuda]

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[craigs73]

cool build craig

[sccacuda]

K-frame under construction and suspension mockup...
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[sccacuda]

Now to make the turbos fit. Really trying to make everything look factory.
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[sccacuda]

and make it look like it was always supposed to be their...
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[sccacuda]

on to the bottom. I added a ton of reinforcement, built a decoupled three link suspension w/ watts link. Welded up all the seams and went back and wiped every weld!! I lost count at 1000 hours!!

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[sccacuda]

cool build craig

Thanks, must be a Craig thing!

[ATOMonkey]

Very nice! I like how you ran the bars on the "outside" of the tub so they wouldn't be visible from the engine bay.

Very clean and thorough build. Can't wait to see more.

Also, what is the 3rd Master Cylinder for?

[BulldawgMusclecars]

Very nice! I like how you ran the bars on the "outside" of the tub so they wouldn't be visible from the engine bay.

Very clean and thorough build. Can't wait to see more.

Also, what is the 3rd Master Cylinder for?

1 for each brake circuit (front, rear), 1 for the hydraulic clutch.

Very cool build! I can't wait to see more.

[ATOMonkey]

1 for each brake circuit (front, rear), 1 for the hydraulic clutch.

Very cool build! I can't wait to see more.

Ah ha... I'd never seen that done before. Is it for better bias?

[sccacuda]

Very nice! I like how you ran the bars on the "outside" of the tub so they wouldn't be visible from the engine bay.

Very clean and thorough build. Can't wait to see more.

Also, what is the 3rd Master Cylinder for?

Thanks, I'll post a few more then.

I'm using a Wilwood bias bar brake pedal that uses independent master cylinders for front and rear brakes (allows tailoring MC piston) and the other is the clutch. I'm using a Rockland TKO II with a Mcleod dual disc clutch.

[sccacuda]

Heres a few of the cage. Sucked it up into the roof and against the A-pillars. I will widen the trim to make the cage disappear. The side X-bars are removable and still legal.
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in this one you can see I matched the angle of the B pillar to make the cage less noticable
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This shows the seat structure. Rules mandate seats much attach to the cage. This was my solution. Cage has been tech'd and passed.
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The upper link (used under braking) runs through a tunnel that connects to the cage structure.
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[sccacuda]

The trunk area houses the fuel cell. It sits flush to the trunk floor, but cannot be seen hanging down. I hate seeing a square box hanging under a curvy car!
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[sccacuda]

Yeah that thing hanging out the back is a 'chute mount. I will run the car at Bonneville when it's done.
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But in keeping with my stock looking 'Cuda theme, I wanted to hide the 'chute mount. For you guys that have 'Cuda's, you already know how bad the bumpers fit. I cut mine apart and widened/contoured it to fit the car. These pics show the start, but still have alot of work left to make it fit right.
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[E.rodz]

wow nice build you got going on there! lets see more mock up picts.what are the plans for the car?keep up the good work.

[sccacuda]

wow nice build you got going on there! lets see more mock up picts.what are the plans for the car?keep up the good work.

Mock up pic:https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/IMG_0084-1.jpg
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I lowered and flattened the rockers 1", widened the lower front fenders 1" per side, and tig'd a rod on every gap and filed them back.

Plans are a nice driver that can run 250 mph at Bonneville, keep up with a Z06 through the twisties, and run at least an 8 in the quarter. The car is a compromise. It will do everything good, but not exceptional in any one area. First and foremost a comfortable driver. The suspension is more road coarse than drag race, and being comfortable makes it heavy. My great equalizer is 1500 HP. Running turbos lets me dial that way back for street use and road course.

[rfalker1]

as if the 70 Cuda wasn't amazing enough.. you just had to do more Craig!!! I can't wait for more... this car will be breath taking

[sccacuda]

as if the 70 Cuda wasn't amazing enough.. you just had to do more Craig!!! I can't wait for more... this car will be breath taking
I really appreciate everyones positive feedback. It definitely helps keep me motivated. This has been waaaay too long of a project with some discouraging speed bumps along the way. Light at the end of the tunnel is starting to appear!!

[elitecustombody]

Craig, it's great to see you sharing your build on here.It's going to be one sick Cuda. How is the 37 PT50 coming along? BTW, I'll forward some pics once I get them .Found a set of front fenders without spare tire well,look to be very solid and no rust.Any word on the 37 Dodge grille?I have still yet to hear from the local guy with 37 Dodge,I'll try PMing again.

[DTM Racing]

Very cool build. No issues with turning radius and the turbo channels?

[sccacuda]

Craig, it's great to see you sharing your build on here.It's going to be one sick Cuda. How is the 37 PT50 coming along? BTW, I'll forward some pics once I get them .Found a set of front fenders without spare tire well,look to be very solid and no rust.Any word on the 37 Dodge grille?I have still yet to hear from the local guy with 37 Dodge,I'll try PMing again.

It seems that everyone has this perfect Dodge or Plymouth truck in a barn or garage that is always 50 miles from where they live. They never have a digital camera, camera phone, or have knowledge of how any modern technology works. They are never proficient with computers, but they figured out how to join a message board, post an ad and then jerk you around for weeks about a part or vehicle. So, no, have not got any word on the grille. He is supposed to go to Mayberry and borrow a camera from Barney. I know you know what I mean!

Definitely interested in the fender...and my progress on the truck is about the same as when you were here last!! Thanks for pulling the glass.

[sccacuda]

Very cool build. No issues with turning radius and the turbo channels?

Thanks.
I've mocked this thing up probably 3 times to make sure I didn't have issues. It has full turning radius and compression even when the exhaust pipes in the fender. I built the bump outs and exhaust with the front suspension on, at full lock, and full compression. If it hits now, It wants to worse than I don't, so I'll just let it!!

Thanks, again

[sccacuda]

...Oh yeah, forgot to mention each fender also houses a big Spearco water to air intercooler. Their is a lot going on inside the fenders!

[dug]

beautiful work. This is exactly what I want to do with my car as far as your goals you have. I love it. Keep up the good work and keep posting pictures!

[sccacuda]

beautiful work. This is exactly what I want to do with my car as far as your goals you have. I love it. Keep up the good work and keep posting pictures!

Thank you. Hopefully will have painted bottom pics next.

[Bryce]

Awesome fab work.

[sccacuda]

Awesome fab work.

Thanks. Checked out yours as well. Love the alternate body style. Would love to see that thing on the slalom course!

[Bryce]

Thanks. Checked out yours as well. Love the alternate body style. Would love to see that thing on the slalom course!

Craig,

Sorry for the off topic post, but check out my build thread for video or check out my youtube link in my signature. My most recent video is the falcon at the local autocross.

[xtreme]

twin turbo and cuda peaked my interest. keep it up, your way ahead of my build

[sccacuda]

twin turbo and cuda peaked my interest. keep it up, your way ahead of my build

Yours is way cool. I don't know if I'm further along or not, sometimes it feels I'm barely half their, then I put it all together to check fitment, etc... and then tear it back down again!!

I see your running a Gen I R5. I looked at an R5 for my build, but chose an R3 block instead. Are you comfortable throwing turbo cylinder pressure on those tiny rod and main journals? They are great for reduced friction and bearing speed, but sacrifice load carrying ability. That's what scared me. I went wayyy the other way with a tall deck 360 main R3. I'll limit my rpm to compensate for increase bearing speed. The R5's look cool as hell, though!

[Dave96dcm]

Wow what a great build! I'll have to keep a eye on this.

[go-fish]

I really appreciate everyones positive feedback. It definitely helps keep me motivated. This has been waaaay too long of a project with some discouraging speed bumps along the way. Light at the end of the tunnel is starting to appear!!

I'm waiting for my light. I know what you're talking about when you say discouraging speed bumps.

[sccacuda]

Wow what a great build! I'll have to keep a eye on this.

Thanks. Can't wait for color!!!

[sccacuda]

I'm waiting for my light. I know what you're talking about when you say discouraging speed bumps.

Post some pics of your car. I'd like to see what you got going. Encouragement from others goes a long way, besides at least the weathers nice in CA. Remember we are still working in shorts!!!

[xtreme]

Hey Craig,
Thanks for the compliment! Hang in there, your doing great work, I know how you feel sometimes and its easy to get burnt out ya know! Sometimes you have to walk away and "regroup".

The R5 is definitely a cool motor, but like anything there are always some drawbacks. There have been numerous successful twin turbo builds from Radrides, jesel, etc with these motors. and I feel done right and in the right components, everything should be fine. Its funny, Ill end up doing almost everything opposite of parts that this motor originally intended to have in it haha.

Its funny you say that you went with the R3. My father just finished the build on his 440ci stroked R3. There are a few more pics in my thread and if you ever have any questions about his build just let me know and I can tell you the route he went!
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[FRENCHBLUE72]

You said you wiped the welds? Does that mean the welds are bondoed over or ???

[sccacuda]

You said you wiped the welds? Does that mean the welds are bondoed over or ???

Yes, I DO NOT grind welds. If it is a good weld, it lays down really pretty. I just apply a small finger wipe of filler over the welds to make it appear to be a one piece stamping. It is just a light skim coat, so it won't crack or come loose. This was only on the body, not the cage (not legal). On any area that might flex, I use a flexible sandable seam sealer.

This is a HUGE undertaking, something I sometimes think took longer than the actual exterior body work. I don't know if I would ever do it again!! I'll have pictures from paint next week, and I'll see if it was all worth it!!

[dusterbd13]

i love seeing the mopars finally getting some love on this board.

and yes, it will be all worth it.
until you have to clean it after your first off track agricultural excursion. lol.

michael

[Auto Rod Technologies]

Sweet project. Gotta love a nice cuda.

[sccacuda]

i love seeing the mopars finally getting some love on this board.

Yeah, I was digging through the projects, and their seems to be a ton. Thankfully everyone doesn't think they have to be restored!

and yes, it will be all worth it.
until you have to clean it after your first off track agricultural excursion. lol.

michael

Going to try and hold off driving it until the end of the year. Their is a vendor that wants it in his booth at SEMA (I have had no sponsor help or money on this car). Hoping I can get some mags to do pictures (preserving the fresh paint) and get an Optima invite to go beat the snot out of it!!!

[sccacuda]

Sweet project. Gotta love a nice cuda.

Thank you. Been a Chrysler tech for 20+ years and have a shop that specializes in late model Chrysler products, so I am kinda compelled to own a Mopar. I will be the first to tell people, most of them are butt ugly, I picked one of the least offensive cars to make my own.

[sccacuda]

Just finished in the booth. Matt is wore out!! Snapped a few crappy pics. Will post more when I bring it back to my shop tomorrow.

Water base.

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and clear...
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[sccacuda]

few more...

Matt Hayes doing his thing!
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[Lygdman]

I am speechless with admiration, it looks very good!

[dusterbd13]

i thought you said this was gonna be a driver? that looks wy too good for a driver. looks more like a show car.

[sccacuda]

I am speechless with admiration, it looks very good!

Thanks. Been a lot of work getting to this point. Hope to paint the exterior in the next month.

[sccacuda]

i thought you said this was gonna be a driver? that looks wy too good for a driver. looks more like a show car.

It is absolutely a driver. You will never see this thing parked with a lawn chair in front of it! I just figured if your going to paint anyway, why not try and do the best job capable? I went a little overboard with the bottom, but I was single at the time and had lots of time!!!! Besides, panel gaps and straight panels have always been a pet peeve of mine.

I hope it gets some magazine interest so I can have the nice paint saved in print photos, but this thing WILL go to Bonneville where the salt at speed will sand blast the paint, and see lots of street and track time where the bottom and front will see a beating. I just wanted to say I did the best I could with it at the time. If the paint gets scratched and chipped, so be it. I don't like when it happens on my late model daily driver either, but it is a fact of life. What's the point of owning it if you don't drive it, and I mean drive it to its potential.

[bhcustomdesigns]

The way you tied all the frame rails together under the car looks great,can't wait to see it when its finished! :twothumbs

[elitecustombody]

Looking good ,Craig.I would have shot the Armor Shield on that bottom to avoid and keep chips away,look into it. Guy with 37 got back to me ,wanted to set up to see the truck late Sat or Sun,I told him to try to do it during the day

[sccacuda]

The way you tied all the frame rails together under the car looks great,can't wait to see it when its finished! :twothumbs

Thanks, seeing it with some color makes it seem almost worth it, besides, if it flips on the salt, at least it will be a pretty picture from any angle!!

[sccacuda]

Looking good ,Craig.I would have shot the Armor Shield on that bottom to avoid and keep chips away,look into it. Guy with 37 got back to me ,wanted to set up to see the truck late Sat or Sun,I told him to try to do it during the day

Stefan, did a web search and couldn't find anything on Armor Shield. Shoot me an email with info.

Call me and I'll meet up with you to check out the '37. Thanks

[go-fish]

They say to 'keep the shiny side up' but in your case you might want to stick with another mantra; "Keep at least 3 wheels on the ground."!

[elitecustombody]

Stefan, did a web search and couldn't find anything on Armor Shield. Shoot me an email with info.

Call me and I'll meet up with you to check out the '37. Thanks

Craig, sorry, it's Armor Coat . Here is their website address http://www.armorcoatusa.com/about.html

I'll let you know as soon as he calls.

[dusterbd13]

we used that on my dads Z06. works really great. does have a small line where the edge is though.
actually, i think his is a 3M version, but same stuff.

[sccacuda]

They say to 'keep the shiny side up' but in your case you might want to stick with another mantra; "Keep at least 3 wheels on the ground."!

At least two, I plan on a few 1/4 mile excursions...

Do you have a build thread going on your 'Cuda?

[sccacuda]

Had a few days to look at the color it in different lighting. Spray out cards are only so useful, sometimes you just have to see it on the car. Guess what, I didn't really like the side tone. Matt came up with a slight variant that "cleaned it up", and we knocked the car back down with 800 and resprayed!!
This ones a keeper. What do you think of the color?
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[elitecustombody]

Craig,you're nuts!

[sccacuda]

Craig,you're nuts!

Does that mean you do or don't like the new color?!!

I was really starting to hate the color by Tuesday and I was at a point that a color change was still possible with minimal (relative) effort. Love it or hate it, this color is a keeper.

[ILLMATIC]

color looks great keep the build pics coming

[elitecustombody]

Does that mean you do or don't like the new color?!!

I was really starting to hate the color by Tuesday and I was at a point that a color change was still possible with minimal (relative) effort. Love it or hate it, this color is a keeper.

It's hard to say,but it appears that new color is more richer and not as pastel.It shouldn't matter who like or don't like the color,as long as you are happy,that's all that matters. You could paint it baby-poo color and it would still be a bad-ass car.I was just saying that it's a lot of work to prep and re-shoot for only a minor tweak in color,but it's better to do it now then after the whole car is shot.

[CruizinKev]

wow great work so far!! :twothumbs

[sccacuda]

color looks great keep the build pics coming

Thanks. Progress is slow as I am relegated to weekends right now. I have the K-frame I built back from powder coating and am itching to start bolting stuff on!! I need to wait at least a month or so to let the paint fully cure.

[sccacuda]

wow great work so far!! :twothumbs

Thanks. Every little bit of encouragement helps! Been waiting 7 years to see some color on this thing, even if it is only half!

[sccacuda]

It's hard to say,but it appears that new color is more richer and not as pastel.It shouldn't matter who like or don't like the color,as long as you are happy,that's all that matters. You could paint it baby-poo color and it would still be a bad-ass car.I was just saying that it's a lot of work to prep and re-shoot for only a minor tweak in color,but it's better to do it now then after the whole car is shot.

Thanks Stefan. Can you send me a color chip of baby-poo?

[linkstar69]

Great to see another awesome mopar build. Love the mods on the front end geometry. I saw what looked like provisions for a watts link but what's the rear set up for 3 or 4 link?

[sccacuda]

Great to see another awesome mopar build. Love the mods on the front end geometry. I saw what looked like provisions for a watts link but what's the rear set up for 3 or 4 link?

Thanks.

The rear is a decoupled three link with a torque arm. You can see the tunnel for the upper link in the bottom pictures of the car. You probably already know, but I still have some ask, "what's that?" The torque arm is short moving the IC high to really load the rear on acceleration, but so short that it would hop the rear on braking. The upper link is used under braking and compresses to move the IC forward and low to load the rear. The rearend "floats" between this two links but have bushings to tailor preload. And your right, the bracket is the adjustable Watts link that adjust the roll center.

Thanks

[linkstar69]

Thanks for the great explanation, it's funny you should be running that set up. I've been doing calculations on torque arm set ups for the last few months because of the great geometry and packaging, I'll be watching your progress even closer now.

[sccacuda]

Thanks for the great explanation, it's funny you should be running that set up. I've been doing calculations on torque arm set ups for the last few months because of the great geometry and packaging, I'll be watching your progress even closer now.

It's nothing new for sure. This is stuff that was proven in the now defunk Trans-Am series. Herb Adams had an old book called Chassis Engineering back in the day you might like. That stuff it still very useful today. Computer programs just made it easier to do calculations with kinetic and finite analysis. It's still four wheels and a sprung chassis. The parts get tricker and better but you still have to know how to tune them as a combination.

I chose this type of suspension because it most closely resembles what I drive. It was the best unrestricted designed suspensions for high horsepower/heavy cars. Current Grand Am stuff is a place to look for parts/setups. I stay away from the Nascar stuff because it is a rule restricted suspension setup. It is the best it can be to meet rules, but far from ideal.

[Poopy]

wow that looks amazing.

[sccacuda]

wow that looks amazing.

Thanks. Trying to squeeze in the time to get this thing painted!

[Payton King]

Just looked at your build. You are doing an amazing job. Looking forward to more updates. Long term projects are a drain. Mine was 6 years that may have well been a life time. You are at 7...I admire your grit. Easy to get discouraged.

[sccacuda]

Very cool Camaro. Thats what I would have built if i hadn't worked at a Chrysler dealer the last 20 years! Big Red was what got me into pro touring and away from pro street.

Making progress. Almost done with paint.
Just got my Holley Dominator EFI stuff and am in the mist of conversion. Haven't ran the engine on anything but a dyno and already updating! That's what sucks about a project taking so long. That's why I kept the body and mods subtle so a trick of the week wouldn't date the car.

[sccacuda]

Some progress...a little is better than none!!
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The Viper is a customer car, not mine.

[CruizinKev]

oh SWEET update!!! :twothumbs looks great!!

[linkstar69]

Nice splash of color

[sccacuda]

Thanks guys. Trying to complete this and get the engine ready. It was done, but switching over to Holley's dominator EFI. It's only ever ran on the dyno and I'm already upgrading! Just too many cool features in one box not to switch. Will post pics as parts are finished. Marcella is setting up the intake for 16 injectors as we speak.

[sccacuda]

Got the K-frame I built back from powder coating. The lower control arms still need to be done. I painted them after I built them not really sure what I was going to do. That was 4 years ago! Just checking everything to see if it still fits. This stuff hasn't seen each other in awhile...
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[sccacuda]

See, it really does fit an E-body! (that's 'Cuda and Challenger to the non Mopar guys) If you scroll up a few pics, you can see where this fits under the lower frame lip.
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[KnightMare]

Looks great. I can't wait to see how the turbo's are going to integrate in the engine bay. Subscribed

[syborg tt]

Looking forward to more pictures

[sccacuda]

Looks great. I can't wait to see how the turbo's are going to integrate in the engine bay. Subscribed

Thanks, Me too! I haven't seen that since mockup 4 years ago.

[sccacuda]

Looking forward to more pictures

More pics means I'm getting further along. So I'm looking forward to more pics as well!

[70cuda]

Great build. Can't wait to see the completed car! Haven't touched my '70 in almost 2 years. Need to get motivated!

[sccacuda]

Got the intake back from Marcella today. Now I can get this engine back together!

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[sccacuda]

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[ATOMonkey]

Is one of those an alky rail?

[SickSpeedMonte]

So nice!

What's going in the back of the elbow? I asume the extra meat is there to drill/tap?

[sccacuda]

Is one of those an alky rail?

No, both are fuel. 66lbs. on the bottom and 120lbs. on top. This is a staged injection (Holley Dominator EFI). It will spend 99% of it's life on the 66's, but will use both at Bonneville and the Monster Mile.

[sccacuda]

So nice!

What's going in the back of the elbow? I asume the extra meat is there to drill/tap?

Exactly. IAT and pressure sensors. Marcella builds a killer elbow.

[linkstar69]

That is just amazing!

[dusterbd13]

im shocked its a small block.

just shocked.

in a good way.

[sccacuda]

im shocked its a small block.

just shocked.

in a good way.

Always preferred small blocks to big blocks; 422 CI's of R3 small block!

[sccacuda]

That is just amazing!

Thanks. John Marcella does fantastic work, although he told me this is the ugliest and hardest conversion he's done. I disagree. I think he did a phenomenal job. I've welded the Edie castings, and it's never pretty. I couldn't get within 50% of John's work.

[dusterbd13]

Always preferred small blocks to big blocks; 422 CI's of R3 small block!

that makes me giggle just thinking about it.

can i beg a ride if i drive down to jacksonville?

[LeighP]

Work of art!

[sccacuda]

that makes me giggle just thinking about it.

can i beg a ride if i drive down to jacksonville?

I'll do one better. I'm bringing the car to A2 in Mooresville for some wind tunnel time when it's done. Let you know when I'm coming up!

[sccacuda]

Work of art!

Thank you. Starting to come together!

[dusterbd13]

ill buy the dinner. hell, ill even pony up for steak!!!

[FRENCHBLUE72]

Beautiful intake..

[sccacuda]

Little paint tease....
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[turboclevor]

sweet, subscribed!

[sccacuda]

Back on the rotisserie. Going to nib a few places on the bottom and undercoat the wheel wells. Will leave it on to cut and buff the exterior as well. So much easier when you can turn each panel to face you. Iphone pics, so kinda crappy and the color doesn't show very well.
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[FRENCHBLUE72]

I love this build cant wait to see it done..

[sccacuda]

I love this build cant wait to see it done..

Thanks! That makes two of us. HUGE hurdle getting the paint done. Feel like i'm finally on the down hill side of the slope!

[HotRod47]

Beautiful!! subscribed..... Can't wait to see more.

[HarleyR]

Whats the difference between a a R3 and W8? R5's are a dime a dozen now... I know of several pan to manifold for 6000 bucks... I like the cool down fittings on the water neck... I wonder why more people in competition applications use them.. Ive pumped many a race engine full of ice water

[sccacuda]

Whats the difference between a a R3 and W8? R5's are a dime a dozen now... I know of several pan to manifold for 6000 bucks... I like the cool down fittings on the water neck... I wonder why more people in competition applications use them.. Ive pumped many a race engine full of ice water

If i remember right, An R1,R3,R4,and an R5 are Mopar race engine blocks. W2, W5, W8, W9 are Mopar cylinder heads. Some Craftmans Truck, some drag race. R3's are production based dimensions and were developed for the original Craftmans truck series trucks before they switched to Cup engines, R4's are production based but can accept different heads, and R5's are current Sprint Cup engines and drag race engines in hemi head config (P-heads).

The fittings bring coolant from the back of the heads to the front of the engine to equalize coolant temps. I also tap the side of the block between the center cylinders and run water direct from the pump. On Mopars, you need to route the water from the bottom, outside of the cylinder block and force it evenly into the cylinder heads, straight up.

[IndyDave]

Yes, "R" stands for "race block". "W" stands for "wedge" and refers to the combustion chamber shape of the cylinder head. Add to the alphabet soup, there's also "P" for "polysphere" as in the P7 NASCAR cylinder head.

[sccacuda]

Got the rear end, along with a ton of other parts back from powder coat. Waiting on the rear gear to get back from Cryo-REM and then I'll put this monstrosity together.

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[ryeguy2006a]

That is a pretty serious looking rear end!! Nice color too.

[72BBSwinger]

Oh my, you are building my dream car! A max effort 70 Cuda? Does anything cooler exist? Way to go on choosing the R3 as an engine foundation. Those are 800hp small blocks all day long naturally aspirated.

[nicke]

I'm looking forward to seeing this one come together!

[High Plains Mopars]

With Dodge getting out of Sprint Cup, there may be some deals on old race blocks and heads.

[sccacuda]

Thanks. I know I'm taking a weight penalty, but wanted to make sure I had PLENTY of adjustment for the rear setup. I've ran the calcs and models, but in the end, it's going to be what the car wants, not the computer.

[sccacuda]

Oh my, you are building my dream car! A max effort 70 Cuda? Does anything cooler exist? Way to go on choosing the R3 as an engine foundation. Those are 800hp small blocks all day long naturally aspirated.

Thanks, and yeah cooler stuff exist...I look at some of the other peoples rides on here and am jealous.

Going to see just what that little R3 can take! Would have loved to do a new Hemi, but the 6.1 block isn't quite stout enough for the boost and HP I'm making.

[72BBSwinger]

Thanks, and yeah cooler stuff exist...I look at some of the other peoples rides on here and am jealous.

Going to see just what that little R3 can take! Would have loved to do a new Hemi, but the 6.1 block isn't quite stout enough for the boost and HP I'm making.

The R3s allow the 6 bolt per cylinder sealing, so in that repsect they are superior.

[MrQuick]

insane build man. I'll be first to say tha your wipe was worth it. Looks like the car was dipped in candy.

[sccacuda]

insane build man. I'll be first to say tha your wipe was worth it. Looks like the car was dipped in candy.

Thank you. It's starting to come together now. It should be rolling this weekend!!

[sccacuda]

Finally got the rear setup and together.

I had started this project with a different engine combo, so I installed a 3.91 gear long ago. The new engine combo needs a 3.07.

This is an XP 9310 from Richmond. They made these for the Cup teams on the super speedways. They are a 9310, but heat treated to be softer for durability. Perfect for a track day/daily driver/Bonneville car!


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I want to keep the gear lube in the center section and out of the axle tubes. These are seals that press into the housing.

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[sccacuda]

The center section is in. For you guys running 9" rears, Fel-Pro makes a nice steel shim gasket (2302). They work great and don't leak. Hate RTV on a pumpkin, both ascetically and when trying to remove it!

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and the external pump...

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[sccacuda]

The hubs are Moser GN's with Wide Five bearings. I bought these complete and discovered they loaded them with Chinese bearings. Not real happy about that. Timken makes a low drag, REM bearing set.

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I bolted the hubs down without the oil seal and no grease in the bearings. I'm looking for .001 end play as measured on the centerline.

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Marked the nut and removed. Pack the bearings and installed the seal. reinstalled and locked it down.

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Installed drive plates, axles, and dust cap.

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[67redrocket]

Nice project you got going on. What size are those rear rotors, what part have you used between the rotor and the moser hub?

[Brads70]

Just found this thread! WOW!!! great build, LOVE IT!

[sccacuda]

Nice project you got going on. What size are those rear rotors, what part have you used between the rotor and the moser hub?

Thanks. The rotors are 13". The other piece is just a Wilwood rotor adaptor. They make several for all the different style hubs that attach with T nuts that allow for expansion between the dissimilar metals. You can see it's just a flat aluminum piece.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/03/file_zpsaf39ecc8-1.jpg

[sccacuda]

Just found this thread! WOW!!! great build, LOVE IT!

Thanks! Hoping to get the time to throw the suspension under it and get it as a roller. The engine kinda threw me a snag. I decided to go dry sump at the last minute. Now if it was a Chevy, I'd run down to 7eleven and buy what I needed. Being a Mopar sucks sometimes. I had to change the balancer out to a Chevy front so I could get a drive mandrel to fit. Pump mounting is another issue. NO ONE makes anything for a Mopar. I had Bill at Dailey Engineering make a pump for the engine with the correct bracket to my custom bracket. I cannot recommend them highly enough. Their stuff is no more expensive than anyone else, yet he will make sure you get what you need because everything is custom made. For anyone entertaining a dry sump setup, check them out. http://www.daileyengineering.com

[67redrocket]

Do you have the part number for this adapter plate? I can't find these adapter plates anywhere.

[sccacuda]

Do you have the part number for this adapter plate? I can't find these adapter plates anywhere.

Wilwood BS 7107

http://pitstopusa.com/i-5068572-wilwood-dynamic-mount-rotor-plate-8x7-00-bolt-circle-5-x-4-88-hub-mounting-bolt-pattern-39-hub-mount-hole-i-d-4-26-plate-lug-i-d-7-50-plate-o-d-31-plate-thickness-t-slot-rotor-mount.htm

[sccacuda]

Haven't had a lot of time to work on this lately, but we did pull it out this weekend and did a little cut and buffing. One more round with 2500 and I'm calling it good. It's time to put this thing together!!
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[syborg tt]

Simply Bad ASS.


Something about a red cuda make's me want this car more and more.

[sccacuda]

Simply Bad ASS.


Something about a red cuda make's me want this car more and more.

Thanks. I just want this car done!

Does it really look red?

[FRENCHBLUE72]

Looks orange to me?

[syborg tt]

Okay it looks orange. So maybe my wife was right my eye's are going.



Thanks. I just want this car done!

Does it really look red?

[dangina]

I want to keep the gear lube in the center section and out of the axle tubes. These are seals that press into the housing.

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I did the same thing - were you able to press it past the first Oring? I couldn't get it any further than that, next time I think I'll go with one size smaller

[sccacuda]

I got them all the way in. Did you lube the o-rings before pressing?

[AstroCreep]

Wow. The majority of your work is beyond me. Seriously, I dont even know what half of the things in the pictures are...

However I know a bad ass car when I see one. I remember my father was a big Cuda fan and was always talking about the one he had when he was young. For years I was never a fan of them and was more of a Camero/Mustang guy. As Ive gotten older I started to find them more attractive, especially when done right.

Anyway, amazing work and I cant wait to see it all together... And perhaps the videos that you will post?

[Bzzzz]

wow just wow

[sccacuda]

Wow. The majority of your work is beyond me. Seriously, I dont even know what half of the things in the pictures are...

However I know a bad ass car when I see one. I remember my father was a big Cuda fan and was always talking about the one he had when he was young. For years I was never a fan of them and was more of a Camero/Mustang guy. As Ive gotten older I started to find them more attractive, especially when done right.

Anyway, amazing work and I cant wait to see it all together... And perhaps the videos that you will post?

Thanks. Trying to find time to work on it is more of an issue now than anything. I'm threatening to throw the drivetrain and seats in it and go run Bonneville and finish it up when I get back.

[sccacuda]

wow just wow

Thanks. Their are a million things I'd go back and change if I could, but now just focused on getting this thing burning gas!

[sccacuda]

Got as far as a could on the belly pan on the rotisserie. It's off for the last time and going to see if I can get it rolling this week.
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[sccacuda]

Front K frame in!

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[sccacuda]

Rear trailing arms, sway bar, and upper brake link.

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More pics coming as I continue working this thing to a roller (today or tomorrow!)

[Auto Rod Technologies]

VERY nice work!! Keep it up

[sccacuda]

VERY nice work!! Keep it up

Thanks. Trying.

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[j-c-c]

Not sure if I missed it, and can't tell from posted pics, are rear wheel wells minitubbed and/or masseged?

How are you routing exhaust?

[sccacuda]

Not sure if I missed it, and can't tell from posted pics, are rear wheel wells minitubbed and/or masseged?

How are you routing exhaust?

Massaged. Reversed tubbed. Mopar wheel houses roll in steeply and don't let you push the tire out and lower the car.

Exhaust runs through the fender and back into the engine compartment and then under the car.

[72BBSwinger]

Damn that is grade A+ man. What Watts is that? Looks like a Fays2?

[sccacuda]

Damn that is grade A+ man. What Watts is that? Looks like a Fays2?

Thanks. Yep, a Fays2. I changed the links to CM tube. I'm slowly learning that you can almost always buy it cheaper than you can make it.

Putting the front together now.

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[sccacuda]

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[72BBSwinger]

Looking real good Craig, ok now I'm gonna guess which application, my first guess would be
2nd gen Camaro?
1st gen Mustang?
I'm thinking of fitting one in my Dart and wonder which one is closest?

[sccacuda]

Looking real good Craig, ok now I'm gonna guess which application, my first guess would be
2nd gen Camaro?
1st gen Mustang?
I'm thinking of fitting one in my Dart and wonder which one is closest?

No and no. C4 gen 2 Corvette. One of the best KPI angle spindles and pretty easy retrofit. The only negative (pun!) is lack of negative camber adjustment which is easily fixed when building the jig. Doesn't gain negative camber as well as C5 or C6, but C4's will easily do 1.1G on a skid pad with 200 tires and coil over conversion. You will need to build a custom K frame and custom lower control arms (pickup points the same), and everything in between!

[72BBSwinger]

I was asking about which application is the Fays2 lol. I'm good with my dinosaur front suspension.

[sccacuda]

I was asking about which application is the Fays2 lol. I'm good with my dinosaur front suspension.

Sorry. Those front ends sounded pretty far off!
I just bought a center and pivot. No application, just the parts. That was many years ago.

[72BBSwinger]

Ok cool, I need to see if he will still sell one that way.

[sccacuda]

It rolls! Working on the torque arm. The one shown was a prototype that is no where near beefy enough.

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[Motorcitydak]

That car looks great, must be awesome to work on it.

Can you give me the part number for your rear rotors? Are they actually 13 inches? I the same full floater rear but am having a hard time finding any rotors bigger than 12.19 for the 8x7 rotor adapter

[sccacuda]

That car looks great, must be awesome to work
Can you give me the part number for your rear rotors? Are they actually 13 inches? I the same full floater rear but am having a hard time finding any rotors bigger than 12.19 for the 8x7 rotor adapter

Thanks, been watching yours as well.

Wilwood 160-3584 and 160-3585, left and right. 13.06 diameter, 8x7 adaptor.

[Bryce]

looking good! I cant wait to see this out on the track.

[sccacuda]

looking good! I cant wait to see this out on the track.

Thanks Bryce. I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing something wrong or nobody likes how this is going together. When I posted the build, everyone was wanting to see more and now no one has commented. I like the brutal truth and opinions are welcome. If their is something anyone would change, please let me know. Not saying I would, but feedback and a different perspective is always helpful.

[GrabberGT]

Thanks Bryce. I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing something wrong or nobody likes how this is going together. When I posted the build, everyone was wanting to see more and now no one has commented. I like the brutal truth and opinions are welcome. If their is something anyone would change, please let me know. Not saying I would, but feedback and a different perspective is always helpful.

Stop your wining and get back to work. You gotta keep the pictures coming. LOL... Feel better now.

Needless to say Im enjoying the build. The torque arm does look a little spindly especially the forward link. Its a little shorter than Im used to seeing on our cars as well.

[GS455vert]

I'm not a mopar guy, but I'm a car guy! I think the quality of this build is awesome and I can't wait to see the final product on the ground! The inner fender aprons are very nice and I can only imagine how bad ass it's going to look when the turbo's are plumbed.

[no go nova]

Keep up the great work.

[Ron Sutton]

Craig,

The car is looking awesome. Keep up the great work !

[sccacuda]

Stop your wining and get back to work. You gotta keep the pictures coming. LOL... Feel better now.

Needless to say Im enjoying the build. The torque arm does look a little spindly especially the forward link. Its a little shorter than Im used to seeing on our cars as well.

Okay, a little whinny, just get nervous with the time and money involved that in the end it becomes a polished turd. I value the opinions on this board, and when you don't get any, you start to think, "maybe my car sucks!". It is some how different when it's your own car.

The torque arm will be very much beefed. It's short because I can decouple and not worry about brake hop, but can get stupid forward bite...maybe too much. I'll be bugging the crap out of Ron when this thing is running for setup advice.

[72BBSwinger]

Is there any way you could make the arm out of aluminum I-beam?

[sccacuda]

Craig,

The car is looking awesome. Keep up the great work !

Thanks Ron. Now I can finish the belly pans!


Keep up the great work.

Thanks.


I'm not a mopar guy, but I'm a car guy! I think the quality of this build is awesome and I can't wait to see the final product on the ground! The inner fender aprons are very nice and I can only imagine how bad ass it's going to look when the turbo's are plumbed.

Thanks. As soon as I finish the TA and suspension, I'll put the engine in and start plumbing.

[sccacuda]

Is there any way you could make the arm out of aluminum I-beam?

Not sure. I need to run some calcs and see what my load will be and go from their. I'm leaning toward square tube, but want to explore all options for packaging and weight.

[j-c-c]

A car like this needs a CF torque arm.

By eyeball, the front coilover angle "seems" rather steep, was that by choice or necessity?

The SPC upper arms look nice, and if I looked closer the answer might be obvious, but because they have no longitudinal member connecting the front and rear swivels together, seems like a lot of forces are redirected that an OEM control would not generate, a solution would be? beefier, as needed, mounting swivel points, and wonder if this was a concern, or did you already account for this in your relocated pickup points?

Does a decoupled stout torque arm ever make anyone uneasy if say it snagged anything at speed, ala the pole vault driveshaft scenario?

[SSLance]

This is the fun part now Craig, bolting all of the fresh new parts back onto the fresh cleanly painted chassis for hopefully the last time!! Exciting!!

Car looks fantastic, please keep posting update pics!

[sccacuda]

A car like this needs a CF torque arm.

Not familiar with CF. What is that?


eyeball, the front coilover angle "seems" rather steep, was that by choice or necessity?

It is a little steep, but within 20 degrees of swing. My choices were to move further inboard on the control arm, which would require quite a bit more spring rate, or angle and stay at the end which would require less spring rate.


The SPC upper arms look nice, and if I looked closer the answer might be obvious, but because they have no longitudinal member connecting the front and rear swivels together, seems like a lot of forces are redirected that an OEM control would not generate, a solution would be? beefier, as needed, mounting swivel points, and wonder if this was a concern, or did you already account for this in your relocated pickup points?

I think I understand the question. Are you referring to the control arms themselves? I am only using these for setup. Once I have the desired geometry and alignment, I'll build a solid set.


Does a decoupled stout torque arm ever make anyone uneasy if say it snagged anything at speed, ala the pole vault driveshaft scenario?

Makes me nervous as well. I'll have a through bolt from the mount into the forward part of the TA. Loose enough to allow decoupling, but tight enough to hold the arm should the upper link fail.

[sccacuda]

This is the fun part now Craig, bolting all of the fresh new parts back onto the fresh cleanly painted chassis for hopefully the last time!! Exciting!!

Car looks fantastic, please keep posting update pics!

Thanks Lance, I hope for the last time!

I always build stuff too tight and don't take into account for paint or powder coat. I have scratched it up here and there, but just going to brush touch and keep rolling. I'll probably cry after what Bonneville will do to the paint...but still going!

[Motorcitydak]

Thanks for the info on the brake rotors, I will have to pick up a set of those.

I see you have a ford 9 inch rear, is that a nodular housing? What are your thoughts on an aluminum thru bolted 3rd member? That is what I am planning to get for mine along with a 10 bolt pinion support. Every ford 9 failure I have every it is the pinion support that pushes out the front of the 3rd member

[snopro]

Car looks fantastic, im looking forward to seeing the finished result of the torque arm. So I can build one just like it for my rambler when I start that build lol.
Keep up the great work

Chris

[Motorcitydak]

Also those upper control arms that you have are great and I would not get rid of them. A control arm only needs to be strong in tension and compression in directions from the ball joint to the control arm mounts. You have tons of adjustability with those so you can dial in geometry

[sccacuda]

Thanks for the info on the brake rotors, I will have to pick up a set of those.

I see you have a ford 9 inch rear, is that a nodular housing? What are your thoughts on an aluminum thru bolted 3rd member? That is what I am planning to get for mine along with a 10 bolt pinion support. Every ford 9 failure I have every it is the pinion support that pushes out the front of the 3rd member

I'm running a Moser nodular. The last time I checked TQ ratings on the aluminum center, they were insufficient for my application. I'd love to run it and shed the weight.

[sccacuda]

Car looks fantastic, im looking forward to seeing the finished result of the torque arm. So I can build one just like it for my rambler when I start that build lol.
Keep up the great work

Chris

Thanks Chris. I hope to be able to do something this weekend.

[sccacuda]

Also those upper control arms that you have are great and I would not get rid of them. A control arm only needs to be strong in tension and compression in directions from the ball joint to the control arm mounts. You have tons of adjustability with those so you can dial in geometry

I've been advised that they flex when driving hard, verified with a GoPro. The thin material at the pivots just scares me on my heavy car. I'll feel safer with a DOM set.

[GrabberGT]

Makes me nervous as well. I'll have a through bolt from the mount into the forward part of the TA. Loose enough to allow decoupling, but tight enough to hold the arm should the upper link fail.

I had no idea the front mount wasnt bolted on. Thats scary. At least put a driveshaft stile loop around it.

Is there any coincidence that the trailing arms have "Catapult" on them? LOL

86395

[sccacuda]

I had no idea the front mount wasnt bolted on. Thats scary. At least put a driveshaft stile loop around it.

Is there any coincidence that the trailing arms have "Catapult" on them? LOL

86395

I really don't want anything else hanging even lower on the car. The arm doesn't move a lot. It is preloaded between the brake and TA bushing. It basically compresses the bushing to change I/C angles, so were only talking about a 1/2" max travel. I'm comfortable with a 5/8" grade 8 through bolt with a Stover nut...okay, I may add a piece under the mount to "catch" the TA if the bolt fails!

[Motorcitydak]

Thanks a lot for the info and knowledge. Do you happen to know the torque rating for an aluminum thru bolted 3rd member or where I may be able to find that info? I am only looking at around 450ft/lb and iirc 2.43 first gear

[sccacuda]

Thanks a lot for the info and knowledge. Do you happen to know the torque rating for an aluminum thru bolted 3rd member or where I may be able to find that info? I am only looking at around 450ft/lb and iirc 2.43 first gear

Your well within what an aluminum through bolt will handle and not deform enough to make any difference. Pro Stock cars use the aluminum as well, but trade weight for gear longevity, etc. Big torque and heavy cars can really deform the aluminum case with shock loads and under full power. Your car is going to be heavy, like it or not! I don't think I'd be concerned even running a Strange "street" aluminum center on your power. Your AWD and splitting that TQ anyway.

[j-c-c]

However that lightened Ring gear also looks a little fragile 1500hp? shocks, IMO. and has also got to be a trade off/compromise, like everything else. lol.

[Nicks67GTO]

Awesome build! Ill be keeping an eye on this one.

So the rear tires are 295/45/18's correct? What are the front tires, I couldnt make them out? I love that full wheel well look. Spot on. I wish I could shove the 295/45/18's under my GTO without hacking but I dont think I can. Im going to a 265/50/18 wich is the exact same wall height just 30mm more narrow. It keeps them looking like a musclecar IMO.

Anyhow I was wondering if you have any straight on side profile shots of that rear mounted wheel and tire and a straight side shot car with wheels/tires mocked up.

[sccacuda]

Awesome build! Ill be keeping an eye on this one.

So the rear tires are 295/45/18's correct? What are the front tires, I couldnt make them out? I love that full wheel well look. Spot on. I wish I could shove the 295/45/18's under my GTO without hacking but I dont think I can. Im going to a 265/50/18 wich is the exact same wall height just 30mm more narrow. It keeps them looking like a musclecar IMO.

Anyhow I was wondering if you have any straight on side profile shots of that rear mounted wheel and tire and a straight side shot car with wheels/tires mocked up.

Thanks Nick. I have a few. I'll probably hang doors and fenders this weekend and get the side shot, but for now, this is all I have.

295/45/18 and 275/40/18. Totally agree on tire profile. I HATE that Camaros can get away with low pro tires and look good!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/12/file_zps1d23bac1-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps1d23bac1.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/IMG_0084-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/IMG_0084.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/IMG_0085-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/IMG_0085.jpg.html)

[DTM Racing]

Car looks a bit high. Smaller sidewalls would be nice.

[Nicks67GTO]

Car looks a bit high. Smaller sidewalls would be nice.

I couldn't disagree more but thats all a matter of opinion I suppose

[Nicks67GTO]

The look is great imo and it verifies my tire profile idea for the GTO! Thanks!

[sccacuda]

Car looks a bit high. Smaller sidewalls would be nice.

I'm keeping this a driver. It is a touch high compared to other makes, Mopars have lots of crap below the pinch rail making them hard to slam, but I am taking advantage of that. The belly pan will extend to the front for the splitter and out the sides to make the side splitters. The rocker extensions tuck under the rocker rail and support the belly pan/side splitters. These parts are all flat black, so it will make the car appear to sit lower and kinda disappear keeping the stock 'Cuda appearance I'm going for. The pan/splitters are about as low as you can go and still street drive.
I personally like a larger profile tire on these cars, still makes them look like muscle cars IMO. I'll have a track setup, including wheels/tires that will be a lower profile and lower suspension settings.

[DTM Racing]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/12/1488535_10151835512253037_1790489108_n_z-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Bajadak/media/1488535_10151835512253037_1790489108_n_zpsa7570567 .jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/12/920070_10151612600575804_1202222091_o_zp-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Bajadak/media/920070_10151612600575804_1202222091_o_zps4a4330dc. jpg.html)

[GRIMMEY71]

Looking forward to seeing the splitter, bellypan and more. I've been looking for ways to do a nice splitter:yeah:

[dusterbd13]

this car just keeps getting better. hell, it was even great looking in primer!!

[sccacuda]

this car just keeps getting better. hell, it was even great looking in primer!!

Thanks. I'm hoping to finish the belly pans and rear spoiler over Christmas.

[Brads70]

Looking great!

[Motorcitydak]

Great to hear you are making good progress on it, really like this car

[sccacuda]

However that lightened Ring gear also looks a little fragile 1500hp? shocks, IMO. and has also got to be a trade off/compromise, like everything else. lol.

Didn't go for the lightened ring gear. In fact, had to buy the gear from JGR's inventory of gears not yet CNC'd for material removal.

This car will never have the boost turned up to those HP numbers except at the monster mile and Bonneville, easing into the throttle, no shock loads. The rest of the time it will loaf along at 7 psi on 91 octane...which should be good for 700-ish HP.

[sccacuda]

Looking great!

Thanks!

[sccacuda]

Great to hear you are making good progress on it, really like this car

Thanks Steve. I'm waiting to see how yours turns out!

[jlcustomz]

Just flipped through your thread for the first time in a while. Always good to keep up with what I could see on the streets locally. I'd agree with your larger tire sidewall choice myself for around here if you're gonna drive it. You could always later make some simple extended rocker covers to give a slightly lower appearance if you wanted without scacrificing driveability . Extended the lower body on my project.

I noticed several times you mentioned wishing you'd changed a number of things or not fully happy with this or that,etc. Such is the curse of a skilled builder and not being fully happy with the end product still usually results in something people break their necks to see. You're doing great, just don't tell yourself that yet.

[sccacuda]

Just flipped through your thread for the first time in a while. Always good to keep up with what I could see on the streets locally. I'd agree with your larger tire sidewall choice myself for around here if you're gonna drive it. You could always later make some simple extended rocker covers to give a slightly lower appearance if you wanted without scacrificing driveability . Extended the lower body on my project.

Way ahead of you. Already have the rocker extensions that attach the sides of the belly pan. I like the ride height, but in reality is much lower due to the pan, side splitters, and front splitter.


I noticed several times you mentioned wishing you'd changed a number of things or not fully happy with this or that,etc. Such is the curse of a skilled builder and not being fully happy with the end product still usually results in something people break their necks to see. You're doing great, just don't tell yourself that yet.

Thanks. I'm still not even 100% that I like the color, stance, wheel position, etc... I'm just going to keep going together and see what turns out. Even if I hate it, it is my E ticket down the flats, and that is worth the effort.

[jlcustomz]

Guess I missed the last few paragraphs about bellpan,etc speed reading after an upsetting work day. OOPS.:hammer:

[CruizinKev]

looks awesome!!

[sccacuda]

looks awesome!!

Thanks!

Been working on a customer car, so the 'Cuda has been sulking under a cover for the last few weeks. Did manage to hang the doors today. The effort in body work on gaps and panel alignment is finally paying off.

Been working on this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsd732671a.jpg.html)


To pay for this!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/file_zpscb9a30d4-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpscb9a30d4.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/file_zpsd787b4a3-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsd787b4a3.jpg.html)

[jlcustomz]

The factory could only dream of a fit & finish like that.

[mmosley]

Is that a '70 Roadrunner grafted over a new Charger or Challenger?

[sccacuda]

The factory could only dream of a fit & finish like that.
Thanks. Getting closer every day...maybe more like every few weeks.

[sccacuda]

Is that a '70 Roadrunner grafted over a new Charger or Challenger?

Yes and no. It's a '70 RR that I built an SRT inside of. Never posted it here because it will be basically a stock SRT8, not really a pro-tourer. Here's the thread: http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7354411&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1

[splatt]

Yes and no. It's a '70 RR that I built an SRT inside of. Never posted it here because it will be basically a stock SRT8, not really a pro-tourer. Here's the thread: http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7354411&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1

Wow that is really impressive work!

[linkstar69]

I love the engineering in the roadrunner. I shudder to think how many hours of measuring are in that car.

[sccacuda]

Wow that is really impressive work!

Thanks, it has been a challenge!!

[sccacuda]

I love the engineering in the roadrunner. I shudder to think how many hours of measuring are in that car.

Thanks, I probably have more time in "figuring" than in actually building…except maybe drilling spot welds…! Their is over 40 ft (12 Meters) of welds in this car, one tack at a time!

[sccacuda]

Haven't had much time to mess with either car, but did start on the spoiler and bumper.

The spoiler will be a functional piece with an inner structure that will allow attachment of different wicker bills. (sketch from Jeff at Munssey Speed and Design)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/01/file_zps655ac117-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps655ac117.jpg.html)

I started with an AAR spoiler for a plug. Had to cut it into 6 pieces to get it to fit the trunk. This is in progress and doesn't show the body work to finish the spoiler.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/03/file_zps108c259e-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps108c259e.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/03/file_zpsc3a176ec-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsc3a176ec.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/03/file_zps20002080-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps20002080.jpg.html)

Jeff Munssey at Munssey Speed and Design (Jeff, these are coming your way shortly!!) will use my spoiler for a plug and then layup the piece with the aluminum inner structure and finish in carbon fiber. This can be made in fiberglass as well if anyone is interested. I'm going to have him use my bumper as a plug too. It's the only bumper that will actually fit the contours of a 'Cuda. Metal would be too expensive, so the bumpers will be available in carbon fiber or fiberglass if anyone wants one of those. Just contact Jeff Munssey at Munssey Speed and Design (a member here).

[GRIMMEY71]

Really like that spoiler idea.

[driveit]

Beautiful. Awesome build. All I need is time and money. Can't wait to get some of that.

[sccacuda]

Beautiful. Awesome build. All I need is time and money. Can't wait to get some of that.

Thanks. Unfortunately, time and money are mutually exclusive...

[sccacuda]

Really like that spoiler idea.

Thanks. Jeff was real easy to deal with. I told him what I wanted to do, and poof, a sketch appeared almost instantly.

[sccacuda]

Haven't had the time to work on this lately, but did roll it outside today!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/04/file_zps35e82a98-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps35e82a98.jpg.html)

[sccacuda]

Did finish the bumper and put it in a black "show coat" to find imperfections. Calling it done.

The valance isn't bolted in the middle which is why it's sticking out past the bumper.


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/04/file_zpsa1e40e88-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsa1e40e88.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/04/file_zpsb7f3081c-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsb7f3081c.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/04/file_zpseb36400d-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpseb36400d.jpg.html)

[Dave B]

Wow, that is absolutely beautiful! Nice work!

[Ron Sutton]

Looking Good Craig !

[Auto Rod Technologies]

Looking good!!!

[linkstar69]

Flawless

[sccacuda]

Looking Good Craig !


Thanks Ron, but haven't done much!! Going to roll it up and see if I can get it measured for you this week (I hope!).

[sccacuda]

Looking good!!!

Thanks, just need a block of time to make significant progress. It's right their, just can't seem to get on it!!

[sccacuda]

Flawless

Thanks. Sometimes I need to post a pic to look at the dates between. Time just flies by without me doing anything to it!!

[Crestronwizard]

Looks great!

[Auto Rod Technologies]

Thanks. Sometimes I need to post a pic to look at the dates between. Time just flies by without me doing anything to it!!

I know the feeling!!!!!!!!!!

[sccacuda]

Okay, here it is. Been working with Ben Hermance on rendering the new mods to the 'Cuda, and here they are.. Calling it Twin Turbo 'Cuda 2.Oh!

Love it, hate it, lets hear it!!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/02/70cudafront_DE3C_REV2f_zpsumklkci0-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/70cudafront_DE3C_REV2f_zpsumklkci0.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/02/70cudafront_rodsters_REV3f_zpsqwb1f5bh-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/70cudafront_rodsters_REV3f_zpsqwb1f5bh.jpg.html)

[72BBSwinger]

Not going with an AAR hood? Its killer either way!

[Ron Sutton]

:)

:cool:

[jlcustomz]

At least from the view of the concept pics, the extended bodywork does look good & the shape looks like it really should aggressively help give you some needed down force.

I remember in our previous discussion on your body work, you were wanting to go with a less pronounced look rather than fattening out the body as I did. The side profile will loose some of it's long sleek look , but I think it will look really badass regardless.

May I also suggest the window trim & bumpers either be some form of black to dark grey also? Think those details would look more fitting & less out of place with the new high tech race look.

Just my honest thoughts. I likes.

[BlueGhost93]

This is a awesome build! Cant wait to see the finished product. Keep up the good work.

[no go nova]

Those concept designs look killer espically the first one.

[sccacuda]

So something like this? I think I'm liking this one! This is what Ben said he would do if it was his.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/02/70cudafront_rodsters_REV4_zpskz6mtnej-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/70cudafront_rodsters_REV4_zpskz6mtnej.jpg.html)

[jlcustomz]

Yea, man. As much as I like shiny things, I've learned it can be better without.

[sccacuda]

Haven't had much time in the last year to do much with it. I'm just going to have to make time if I ever want this thing done!

Few pics of the wide body under construction. Stefan from Elite Paint and Body is helping with this and maybe we'll finish if we can get our schedules together! Playing with dimensions and trying to get the "look" right. Opinions welcome!


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/07/IMG_2471_zpsujybvujh-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/IMG_2471_zpsujybvujh.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/07/IMG_2472_zpssb8rslp1-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/IMG_2472_zpssb8rslp1.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/07/IMG_2478_zpsaoxdxzun-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/IMG_2478_zpsaoxdxzun.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/07/IMG_2499_zpsmbbbsayr-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/IMG_2499_zpsmbbbsayr.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/07/IMG_2500_zpsseuwj48z-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/IMG_2500_zpsseuwj48z.jpg.html)

[sccacuda]

Well, as all things do, change is coming in a big way for the 'Cuda. So, the entire front clip is available for sale. I'll cut it at the firewall, so you get aprons and rails forward, all suspension, brakes, rack, etc...The whole clip, including wheels and tires if wanted. Call me if interested.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zps3cef5b41-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps3cef5b41.jpg.html)https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zpsc1ba619d-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsc1ba619d.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zpsd8f15012-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsd8f15012.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zps632d47d0-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps632d47d0.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zpsf1ee6caf-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsf1ee6caf.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zpsd9e6011e-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsd9e6011e.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zpsd14eaf21-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zpsd14eaf21.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zps8d9a1399-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps8d9a1399.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/11/file_zps828a9e0c-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps828a9e0c.jpg.html)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/12/file_zps68187850-1.jpg (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/340cuda/media/file_zps68187850.jpg.html)

[keepat]

Wow! What is the new plan? And what is the price?
Pat

[jlcustomz]

Been wondering how you were coming with things.

If you're not already changing things around before you're finished a project, then you're no hot rodder.:headbang:

[sccacuda]

Wow! What is the new plan? And what is the price?
Pat

Just posted here as this is a project update, but being this is not the for sale forum, please just call me if interested.

New plan is Ron Sutton driving the van offering me candy to come look inside....

Thanks,
Craig

[sccacuda]

Been wondering how you were coming with things.

If you're not already changing things around before you're finished a project, then you're no hot rodder.:headbang:


This car has been back burner so long that I almost don't pay it any attention. I use the excuse of have so much going on with work that I don't have time to finish it. Truthfully, I realized it wouldn't have the performance potential that I am wanting with the crazy evolution of the PT scene, and that has kept my motivation to finish pretty low. Working the Daytona OUSC event last year showed me what was to come. It was either put it together and be less than pleased with performance, or stop, make some significant changes and be forever trying to reach the cars performance potential. I'm choosing the latter, and in reality will make the car easier to finish and package. I said from day one, putting a frame under it would have been 100 times easier than trying to retain the unibody and make it look like the factory built it that way.

[jlcustomz]

I hear ya Craig. While busy at work is still a truly good excuse, trying to be in the competitive end of things these days is still changing about as fast as new cell phones.
Are you think about something like a Schwartz performance frame?

Also not sure where you're at on this subject, but extraction vents in hoods & fenders is gaining even more new car popularity , due to it's benefits. I recently got off early one day & got 2 pairs of old c-3 vette lower fender vents from Larry's salvage for 30 bucks. May modify & integrate into my hood. If I can see my reinforced fiberglass hood flex at highway speeds on a windy day with fender vents, then a little more air relief is in order. Cudas definitely appear to also need some help in this area.
Anvil auto is one of the popular sources of a simple add on.
http://anvilauto.com/products/camaro-67-69/hood-vents.html

[Crestronwizard]

Let me know if you decide to sell it. Have a client looking to build one.