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Motorcitydak
12-29-2011, 08:33 PM
Does anyone know of an available bolt on steering arm for a C6 knuckle? The stock one is just way to high. I know that I have seen companies that use those knuckles then cut the stock arm off and bolt their own on I just cannot remember who they were or if they are available separately? If not, any problems with making my own? Out of maybe some 1x1 6061 or something? Ideally I would want the center of the tie rod end to be in the stock location, just about 2-3 inches lower

BADDRIDE II
12-29-2011, 08:54 PM
Detroit Speed Engineering makes one as you have described...but not sure they will sell separate. It drops it down and over toward stock location. Art Morrison makes one as well, but is only a drop and does not locate in line with factory location. But I do believe they sell these separate. Hope this helps.

Ron.in.SoCal
12-31-2011, 11:26 AM
Detroit Speed Engineering makes one as you have described...but not sure they will sell separate. It drops it down and over toward stock location. Art Morrison makes one as well, but is only a drop and does not locate in line with factory location. But I do believe they sell these separate. Hope this helps.

I noticed the AME steering arm location as well (dropped, forward of rack centerline). I called Matt and asked about it and was told it was part of their overall suspension design and helps w Ackerman. Verified design principle w ExWest as well, so that was good enough for me. Once the car is ready to hit the alignment rack, I'll do a bumpsteer guage check but the moral of the story is there is geometry/design issues that need to be considered. Hope this helps!

coolwelder62
12-31-2011, 11:42 AM
Detroit Speed Engineering makes one as you have described...but not sure they will sell separate. It drops it down and over toward stock location. Art Morrison makes one as well, but is only a drop and does not locate in line with factory location. But I do believe they sell these separate. Hope this helps.the art morrison unit has a 1inch wider hub face than the DSE unit,I think.

MoparCar
12-31-2011, 08:13 PM
Also check with Jakes Rod Shop. He makes his own also.
Wes

Motorcitydak
01-01-2012, 05:55 PM
Thanks a lot guys, Ill get ahold of those companies and see who is willing to send me a set

Motorcitydak
01-01-2012, 07:08 PM
After looking at the parts that Jake's, AME and DSE build, I think I may have to just make my own. All those bolt on and go across the back side of the hub. That will not work for me since I have my front CV shafts going in there :(

CTX-SLPR
01-01-2012, 07:27 PM
After looking at the parts that Jake's, AME and DSE build, I think I may have to just make my own. All those bolt on and go across the back side of the hub. That will not work for me since I have my front CV shafts going in there :(If the hole was there, would the fact that they bolt to the back of the hub be a problem? I.e. could you make the part that bolts on to the hub mounting bolts with a hole in it so the CV shaft would go through or is the clearance on the wheel CV unit going to be too close for a 0.5-0.75in thick piece of plate?

Other idea that comes to mind is what about using the stock tierod end hole, either reemed out for a straight shank fastner or with a tapered stud, for your major loading and stabilize the rotation of the lowered add on arm using the two holes (I'm guessing something for the ABS) on the main body?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/01/47671334d1303335934c5c6spindlesspindle-1.jpg

Motorcitydak
01-01-2012, 10:38 PM
I like where you are going with your thoughts there. I could not make a piece to go all the way around to use all 3 hub bolts. If you'll notice, the bottom bolt is recessed into the knuckle because of how close it is to the lower ball joint. I do not think I can fit anything of significance in there. The CV itself fits with quite a lot of room to spare and if necessary I could at least bevel the edges of something to fit in between them.

I honestly do not know what those 2 smaller bolt holes are for. Dust shield maybe? but the hub has a built in wheel speed sensor so it does not need that. Im quite sure that I can use them for this tho.

I like your idea of keeping the stock arm with a stud from the bottom and being reinforced with another piece.

I did buy some things like this http://www.jegs.com/i/Coleman%20Racing%20Products/193/808-951/10002/-1?CT=999 from speedway motors but I cannot say that I trust it not to break. Also it has the correct taper for my knuckles but they are no where near large enough to fit. I mite trust that if 1) if had the correct size and taper for my knuckles and 2) I had something to strengthen the setup like a piece to hold the bottom of the stud.

Here the best pictures I have to show what I have to work with. The CV may not be tightened all the way but it does not go in much further then that.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSCF1507-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSCF1512-1.jpg

MrQuick
01-01-2012, 11:44 PM
something like this might be better....Or I have been thinking about a modified LH (intrepid) rack and make a raised tie rod bracket. Similar to what Ridetech does with the Tru turn set up but with a rack. I have been playing with a few ideas but funding is short right now.

The two holes are for the backing plate mounting and the parking brake actuator for use on the rear. Roadstershop uses those two for the steering arm mount.

Motorcitydak
01-02-2012, 01:12 AM
Thanks for the insight on those 2 holes. I guess I will not be using them on my front end so I can put something there to reinforce my steering, I just wish there was more horizontal separation between the 2 holes


Edit: Alright guys, you are going to hate me and Im really sorry about this. I went back and looked at the graphs and data I have for the front end geometry. I was looking at the old graphs before the steering was set. The final location that gives me perfect bump steer and ackermann will not cause any problems with having the spindle side tie rod pivot. I really appreciate all the help here and hopefully someone else will be able to use it. Im going to go hang out in a corner for a while...

iadr
01-15-2012, 10:00 PM
what spindle is the green Lengendary car? That's a new one on me...

iadr
01-15-2012, 10:01 PM
nevermind I see it's a rear

MrQuick
01-15-2012, 11:36 PM
its all viper drivetrain....