kore 3 vs Wilwood

[Huzzah!]

Hi guys. I'm reworking the brakes on my 74 Nova for my winter project. I'm looking at two different kits but I don't know alot about disc brakes seeing that my car has had manual drums all its life. My choices are narrowed down to the Kore 3 c6 z06 fronts and the c5 340mm out back on one hand and the other I'm thinking about the Wilwood 6 pistion 12.88 fronts and 4 piston rear. Now, with the kore 3 kit I'd have to get the axles machined or buy new axles from Loser or somebody to make the rears work but on the Wilwoods I don't. Price wise I like the Wilwoods better but aesthetically I love the c6 z06 fronts. Now, with me knowing nothing about discs and the size ratio that's desired, which one would be a better choice? The wheels I'll be choosing are New Gen Triggers in 18s. So either one will fit. Please help me down the right path.



Ben

[Matt@BOS]

Give Tobin at Kore 3 a call. He will spend the time to walk you through the comparative benefits of both options, and will be able to do so better than just about anyone out there. As I recall, he is also a dealer for Wilwood, even though it isn't listed on the Kore 3 website.

Matt

[Randy67]

As for axles, Superior axles are already the smaller flange diameter for the brake kits, used them on a LS1 rear swap on my El Camino. Plus they were cheaper than the Moser ones. BTW, I believe the LS1 rear brakes (98-02 F-body) are the same rotor diameter and caliper piston size as the C5 rears, but a little easier to put on your Nova axle.

[cheapthrillz]

Give Tobin at Kore 3 a call. He will spend the time to walk you through the comparative benefits of both options, and will be able to do so better than just about anyone out there. As I recall, he is also a dealer for Wilwood, even though it isn't listed on the Kore 3 website.

Matt

This is the reason you need to get your stuff from Tobin @ Kore3. His knowledge base, willingness to help, and customer service are top notch..... You won't get that from wilwood.

Turning down the axle flanges is very easy.... just take them to the local machine shop! $50 and you're good to go....


All of this is coming from somebody that had a 1 off kit designed and built by Tobin. You won't find anyone on this board that knows as much about brakes as him.

[davidk68]

I third the opinion of going with KORE3 and Tobin. I recently got some C5 calipers from him and he was extremely knowledgeable, always answered my PM and email questions promptly and definitely saved me some money. Wilwwod may have the name - but Tobin knows his sh*t and is "the man" for brakes. Give him a call, you won't regret it.

David

[Randy67]

I fourth calling Tobin, he has helped me a few times already with both questions and parts. He helped me with replacement parts when I broke a hub and bent some stuff. Great to deal with.

Not so with Wilwood. I emailed them a couple times about calipers for a Wide 5 setup since it wasn't clear if certain calipers would fit or not, never heard back from them (been almost a year now). I ended up figuring it out myself.

[brownz]

YEP call tobin great to deal with and will always help you when needed!

[MonzaRacer]

Oh and if you get new superior replacement axles supposedly they claim 20% increase in strength and durability. Ill vote on Kore3 and besides using stock type parts you can get pads and rotors and calipers and such from just about any source.

[gort69]

Another vote for Tobin @ kore3. I can't speak to the rear C5 install, but the LS1 rear set is almost the same deal and is an easy install. I did not have to have my axles machined, and I'm not certain it is a given with the C5 install either. I tink a lot of it depends on the rotor brand - some fit and some don't.

[JRouche]

Hi guys. I'm reworking the brakes on my 74 Nova for my winter project. I'm looking at two different kits but I don't know alot about disc brakes seeing that my car has had manual drums all its life.

Hey Ben, I had a similar car. When I bought my 62 nova it had four wheel drum brakes. It was down right scary. Grant it, the brakes were not serviced and my only driving expierience was gettting the car home 30 miles. I have a feeling I could have rebuilt the brakes to feel better. But I didnt. I ended up replacing the frount and rear suspension with MII up front with the standard 11" granada brakes up front and I put some cadillac disc brakes on the rear of my ford nine inch housing. Talk about night and day!! It was like a diff car. Even the smallish 11" rotors up front made a massive diff.

Fast forward a few years and I was doing more work. I wanted to increase the front braking and keep the rear cad brakes. I shopped high and low. I looked at ALL the systems that were within my price range.

I looked at ALL the systems that were in the 1200 dollar range, give or take 400 bucks. Some of the ford mustang brakes were looking good as well as the GM setups. Good thing about those systems is you can buy parts and consumables right from the local auto parts stores.

So the Kore brakes were right up there on my list. Actually was ready to hit the button then made some additional measurements. Glad I did. The calipers would not have cleared my wheels. They would easily clear most 17" wheels with the standard strengthening lip which is place on the outside of the hoop. My wheels have a "smooth rim". Meaning the Rib thats normally seen on the outer lip of the wheel is placed on the inside of the wheel so the outer lip is smooth and there is no step.

Well the problem with those types of wheels is the clearance inside the wheel for calipers. It was only just under a 1/4". But that 1/4" made it a no go. I was bummed cause I really wanted to go with the Kore brakes and the overall ease of getting consumables and repair parts in the future.

So I went with the wilwood brakes. I cant say there has been any problems with them. They are some pretty nice calipers. And the rotors are cast iron ONLY were you need it, meaning the rotor itself, not the hat. The willwood rotors are separate from the hub or hat. The hat is aluminum, better IMO. I scaled the two entire brake components when I removed the 11" granada brakes and the larger 13" setup was just about the same weight.

Braking?? It is scary if someone is behind me and I have to hit the binders due to traffic. They are not expecting a 62 nova to slow down like my car does. And there is NO fade even after some long high speed stops. And I have NO doubt the Kore brakes will be the same.

One last note? Ive never bedded my pads before, never had a car that was like this one, all the rest were honda transpo cars.

Bed the pads in according to the dealers specs or some of the other info out there, it makes a diff. I did the bedding in process on a sunday in the local industrial park when no one was around, cause really it can freak some folks out if they see it. I did five passes, 50 to 0. Never letting the pads heat soak on the disk. So its 50 to 0 in as fast as you can do it without locking the tire up and never applying the brakes when the rotors are stopped. Run five passes then park the car without clamping the pads on the rotors. I did a coast to a stop in a sunday parking lot in the industrial park. Sit there for 20-30 minutes while the rotors cool and its bedded. A small amount of bluing on the rotor will show it got hot enough.

After that the brakes are super stop zone. No fade from 90 to 15. No shudder. Its just a smooth predictable friction. And very controllable. Its sick how this 62 nova will slow down from whatever speed. And some of it has to do with the suspension. I can hammer the brakes and the nose doesnt dive at all. Its kinda crazy. I can brake at any speed and it hauls the car down flat and level. I have yet to do an extreme braking test to find lock up. And to dial in the rear brakes with the adjustable proportioning valve. I think I need more area free of any obstructions before I find the limit of tire adhesion and braking. I do want to take it to an open space to adjust the rear brakes. I dont even know how much braking the rears are doing.

There is NO point with going with some massive Baer brakes, Wilwood brakes or any other race type brakes. I would have went with the Kore brakes if they would have fit and I have NO doubt they would have been more braking then I need. Just a fitment issue for me. JR

[acegto]

Both are sponsors on this forum with excellent reps. I have dealt with Tobin before and can vouch for the customer service and his willingness to share his knowledge with you. As far as I'm concerned, the Kore3 gm kits are the way to go. OEM designs and availabilty anywhere are always a plus.

[68camotion]

I'm going to have to look into the Kore brake kits.

[ScottT]

is it normal with my wilwoods my wheels stick out 1/4-1/2" too far and Im going to have my axle housing shorted and axles machined down 3/8"
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[SparkyRnD]

9th vote for Tobin at Kore. We're running some of their components on Sabre

[uk68327]

10th Vote (do I get a prize for being 10th? :jump: ) for Tobin @ Kore3

[slipknawt]

Kore 3 and Tobin for number 11 vote

[Apogee]

Do I hear 12? Can I vote for myself?...more than once?

Pro-touring enthusiasts are fortunate to have some many good brake options as that wasn't always the case, and KORE3 is very fortunate to have some many appreciative and loyal customers. Thanks for the props...you guys rock.

Tobin
KORE3

[Norwood]

Do I hear 12? Can I vote for myself?...more than once?

Pro-touring enthusiasts are fortunate to have some many good brake options as that wasn't always the case, and KORE3 is very fortunate to have some many appreciative and loyal customers. Thanks for the props...you guys rock.

Tobin
KORE3

I'll give you a confirmed 12.

I'm fortunate to have Tobin just 30 minutes to the north. I picked up my big brake kit in person and can say as good as he is on the phone, the experience is better in person. Most importantly the after-sale service has been exceptional. IMO Tobin is someone you can do business with on a handshake which is a lost option in this day and age.

If you're looking for solid stopping performance more than brand name recognition give Kore3 an opportunity, if for some reason Tobin can't supply your project he'll at least supply you with good advice.

[cheapthrillz]

No.... you can't vote for yourself Tobin. Good try though!!!!

[David Pozzi]

Superior axles were mentioned. Just a warning, I had a pair of them with one that looked like it had been dropped off a roof, the flange was bent. I've also seen another pair where both axles had runout around .030". Please inspect any axles you buy carefully & put a dial indicator on the flange to insure it is true.
David

[72 GOAT]

If I can add my two cents please, I currently have the full c6 z06 brake setup front and back on me 72 GTO and it is great. For the money I think it is the best setup out there, how can you beat GM performance and engineerring let's not forget if youre ever in a bind out on the road all you need to do is find a GM dealer, if that's not enough for you then the technical help that Tobin at Kore 3 will offer you sould be the icing on the cake. His dedication to customer support and his technical knowledge of the current trends, automotive knowledge as well as parts is beyond anything you will get out there. He is a class act and will go above and beyond to help you with his parts or his competitor which ever is better he will steer you to the right part for you. Kore 3 all the way!!!!!!

[gort69]

Beside that fact that Tobin knows his stuff, communicates and is friendly, I think dollar for dollar the C5/6 stuff will blow the Wilwood away.