2012 Schedule of Run To Series Events

[Bill Howell]

In an effort to cut down on PMs about upcoming events, I want to post this now. It, as you will see isn't a complete list of our planned events for 2012 but we have nailed down 5 of our 7 or 8 planned stops.

The schedule as of now is:
Run to the Alamo, San Marquis, Tx. Febuary 17-19
Run to the Coast, Irvine Ca. March 9-11
Run to the Shore, Millville, N.J. April 6-8
Run to the Ole South, Kershaw, S.C. May 11-13
Run to the Hills, Pigeon Forge, Tn. Sept. 28-30
We are working hard to secure a date and location for RTMC. The Nashville Speedway is reportedly closing and locking the gates at the end of the year. We may be forced, if this is indeed what happens, to move it, but we do have a back up plan if the track does close.
We will also be running the annual Midwest Muslecar Challenge with Mark Bowler at Putnam Park, right now we are working out that day with the track.
We also are on the verge of announcing one more event, later in the year, at Thunderhill raceway in northern California. More on that event later.
We are very proud of the two new events, Run to the Alamo and Run to the Ole South and hope this creates a new opportunity for some that have not been able to attend our events in the past.

One other event that, while is isn't officially part of the Run to Series, it is certainly one that we all try to make every year has also moved for 2012. Scott at Motorstate told me at SEMA that the official dates for their event are July 13-15.

Please make a note of these dates guys and we will let you know as soon as registration is open for all of them.

We look forward to seeing you at an event near you in 2012.

[Tucks69]

Looking forward to 2012 Bill! Looks like we have alot of options!

[Flash68]

We also are on the verge of announcing one more event, later in the year, at Thunderhill raceway in northern California.

Thank you for listening to us up here in Norcal, Bill!

[Jeff70]

Yea! Thunder Hill irs only 1hr from me.

[MrAngry]

I'm in for the "Run to the Coast" and the Thunderhill event! Man... I love being in CA now!

[PT Sportwagon]

What about us in the Rockys? I guess we don't matter. Oh well. Looking forward to the MMC dates. I may try and make it provided I have the $$$ and the car more done.

Tim

[musclecarmatt]

hey bill....is Run to the Ole South at carolina motorsports park?

[sr73bu]

Thanks for posting this Bill!... And thanks for putting all of these events together for us! I'll see you at RTTS and hopefully RTTH in 2012!

-Sean

[MrQuick]

wow bill, thats a nice stretch, hope to see you next year.

vince

[SparkyRnD]

I'll be in for Ole South, Hills and Music City. Is PSMC IV on your schedule also?

[Bill Howell]

What about us in the Rockys? I guess we don't matter. Oh well. Looking forward to the MMC dates. I may try and make it provided I have the $$$ and the car more done.

Tim
YOu get me 50 Rocky pt players and I will get you an event!

[Bill Howell]

hey bill....is Run to the Ole South at carolina motorsports park?

Yes

[Bill Howell]

I'll be in for Ole South, Hills and Music City. Is PSMC IV on your schedule also?

PSMC may be combined with RTMC, this is still in the air as we wait on word from Nashville.

[Project92rs]

YOu get me 50 Rocky pt players and I will get you an event!

I think you could count on 3 or 4 from Arizona if you held an event in Colorado.

I expect 2 or 3 of us will make it from AZ to the Alamo and to RTTC.

[Rod]

THUNDER! THUNDER! THUNDER! <---- the crowd chants :woot:

[LM7_67]

RTTC for sure. others? quite possibly.

[nine lives johnny]

run to the hills may have my name on it. too bad there isn't any runs to the windy city or Wisconsin

[pnypwr]

coming from KC.if I can I would LOVE to hit one of these! too bad there is nothing close to KC though...

hmmmm how far am i willing to travel (heh heh heh) :revto9k:

[1981silverz28]

Ole south and RTTH and RTMC are definate ones for me .Thanks alot Bill for all your time getting things set up for us to play ... YOU are the man !!! ( Even though Melinda and Jess are the ones doing all the work ) LOL

[Badger]

Great news! Thanks for getting this out so early Bill!!

[tommycomfort]

We made a ton of events this year and hope to make a bunch next year! I might have to get a third job to pay for this silly addiction!
Tom

[damannhw]

hey bill....is Run to the Ole South at carolina motorsports park?

That sounds good, I've been wanting to try Kershaw !

I think you can rent carts there too ? :)

[GrabberGT]

Dont you mean San Marcos for Run to the Alamo?

And thanks again for bringing an event to Texas.

[vanzuuk1]

See you in jersey bitches...this time I will be a little more prepared!

[Ron.in.SoCal]

See you in jersey bitches...this time I will be a little more prepared!

You better get started now if Vinnie decides to show up! :lol:

[Ron S]

Although Jersey has bad Mojo for me, I'll be there, and RTTH, and hopefully RTMC. I'd really love to do RTTC if my schedule allows. Ron

[RS_Customs]

Nice list Bill. Can't wait.

I have a little more info on AMP, give me a call tomorrow when you get a chance.

Robert

[dropit69]

run to the hills may have my name on it. too bad there isn't any runs to the windy city or Wisconsin

There is always the Motorstate Challenge in MI..and the Bowler event isnt that far from you..and Heidts had a event at Autobahn in Joliet this year..all within good distance of us..ill be at a few this year..cant wait..

[vanzuuk1]

You better get started now if Vinnie decides to show up! :lol:

Vinnie is an awesome driver in an awesome car, and he will certainly be there....I had some car issues that have been taken care of. This will be a blast. Gsxrken and I will be driving our cars to the event again, and we may have a surprise guest or two.

[PT Sportwagon]

YOu get me 50 Rocky pt players and I will get you an event!

I am sure that if an event was held in CO. People from CA, AZ, NE, NM, TX, UT, NV, Etc would attend.

[68sixspeed]

Bill- Thanks for posting the known dates- (I'm looking forward to RTTS again) Any rule changes for 2012? (i.e. the infamous roll bar discussion or a change in the road course format/instruction/pace-car talk?) or is it too early for that? thx- Dan

[Bill Howell]

Bill- Thanks for posting the known dates- (I'm looking forward to RTTS again) Any rule changes for 2012? (i.e. the infamous roll bar discussion or a change in the road course format/instruction/pace-car talk?) or is it too early for that? thx- Dan

Dan, we are working on that now along with getting everything ready for 2012.
All cars will be required to have a fire extinguisher at any of our events next year.
I am probably going to have two groups of cars at each event. Those that have proper safety equipment both for driver and car and those that are there for fun runs.
Now that I have said that, I just need to determine what is enough safety equipment to run all out....... simple enough-right?

[68sixspeed]

good luck with that... I don't envy you on that one! We had a similar discussion today regarding an upcoming HPDE they hold at Daytona... yes, full 24hr daytona road course, no roll bars req'd... I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable in my z06 at 165-175 w/o a bar, let alone in my camaro! (not saying I've ruled out going though!) -Dan

[Scott Parkhurst]

Thanks for all the work it's taken to get all these together Bill! I miss ya pal...hopefully I'll see you this year!

[SparkyRnD]

Dan, we are working on that now along with getting everything ready for 2012.
All cars will be required to have a fire extinguisher at any of our events next year.
I am probably going to have two groups of cars at each event. Those that have proper safety equipment both for driver and car and those that are there for fun runs.
Now that I have said that, I just need to determine what is enough safety equipment to run all out....... simple enough-right?

Does that mean the cars that don't meet all safety requirements are disqualified and their runs won't count?

[Project92rs]

Dan, we are working on that now along with getting everything ready for 2012.
All cars will be required to have a fire extinguisher at any of our events next year.
I am probably going to have two groups of cars at each event. Those that have proper safety equipment both for driver and car and those that are there for fun runs.
Now that I have said that, I just need to determine what is enough safety equipment to run all out....... simple enough-right?


So how long before the final requirements are announced? I'd like to be able to have the car go all out but some things just take time to acquire and install.

[musclecarmatt]

So how long before the final requirements are announced? I'd like to be able to have the car go all out but some things just take time to acquire and install.

same here as well...my car is a street car and weekend autox.....doesnt really have all that safety equipment....hope we have separate classes or something...

[SparkyRnD]

PSMC may be combined with RTMC, this is still in the air as we wait on word from Nashville.

I had hoped they would stay separate, as PSMC is a nice event between the bigger ones, although it's gaining size each year.

[RS_Customs]

I had hoped they would stay separate, as PSMC is a nice event between the bigger ones, although it's gaining size each year.

Bill is the man when it come to these events and were still talking lol. David and Jeff started PSMC to help fill the void from the Year One Experience and with the growing success it has been a soft spoken goal to move the PSMC to a track, if that requires combining with another event it will ultimately benefit the participants. I have been spending a lot of time at the one under construction (AMP) lately building tire walls and have become friends with some of the staff. I took another tour this past Saturday and I will say WOW. The cart track alone that we would use for autocross is a mini road course itself at just under a mile. So.....we will see how the chips fall.

Robert

[vanzuuk1]

Bill, are you referring to roll cages?

[damannhw]

same here as well...my car is a street car and weekend autox.....doesnt really have all that safety equipment....hope we have separate classes or something...

I agree. My car is a street car and will stay that way. My kids still ride in in when we go out, so no cage for me. I thought this was about modifying street driven cars to perform better, not building race cars !

[SLO_Z28]

So how long before the final requirements are announced? I'd like to be able to have the car go all out but some things just take time to acquire and install.

^This. It wont affect me, as I will have all the right things, but it will hit some people.

[protouring70]

I'm in for these as well!!!!


Ole south and RTTH and RTMC are definate ones for me .Thanks alot Bill for all your time getting things set up for us to play ... YOU are the man !!! ( Even though Melinda and Jess are the ones doing all the work ) LOL

[protouring70]

Bill is the man when it come to these events and were still talking lol. David and Jeff started PSMC to help fill the void from the Year One Experience and with the growing success it has been a soft spoken goal to move the PSMC to a track, if that requires combining with another event it will ultimately benefit the participants. I have been spending a lot of time at the one under construction (AMP) lately building tire walls and have become friends with some of the staff. I took another tour this past Saturday and I will say WOW. The cart track alone that we would use for autocross is a mini road course itself at just under a mile. So.....we will see how the chips fall.

Robert

WOW, I can't wait. Maybe I will get some time off from work to come help my fellow friends!!!

[73RSZ28]

How about a Run To The Gateway To The West (St. Louis). Gateway raceway will be open next year.

[rockytopper]

same here as well...my car is a street car and weekend autox.....doesnt really have all that safety equipment....hope we have separate classes or something...

ditto

[rsk68]

Hopefully i'm back up and running by then, at the last RTTC I broke and am still working on the new LS3 install.

[GeoffP]

I'm looking forward to Run to the Ole South...it's only 2.5 hours from me. My goal is to have my LS conversion done and drivable by then. On the extinguisher requirement, where does it need to be mounted and what size unit?

[SparkyRnD]

I think the extinguisher is a great requirement, along with a properly secured battery (no coat hangers or rubber cords). We will be finding a place to mount one in Sabre.

[gsxrken]

I agree. My car is a street car and will stay that way. My kids still ride in in when we go out, so no cage for me. I thought this was about modifying street driven cars to perform better, not building race cars !

Ditto. I hope these pro-touring events don't turn into fun-run parade laps and only the no-interior guys have timed laps and/or anything on the line. I liked the 200 treadwear limit for this reason.

The Porsche Club of America (PCA) probably grabs more track time than any other one group out there. They've been doing HPDE for years and years without turning it into a RACE or mandated roll cages, 5 point harnesses or fire systems. They do want a fire extinguisher in the drivers reach. They have a reasonable set of expectations of the cars that will be running found here: http://www.porschenet.com/DE_PDF_WordFiles/TechForm.pdf In fact, and this is a pain, you need to a have a certified shop "tech" your car within a month prior to an event.

I'll make RTTS either way, but I do hope I don't have to sit at the kiddie table.

[Bill Howell]

Easy guys, don't start with what rules are needed and what we don't need. There will be two groups of cars, all will have track time and fun track time. However, if you plan to RUN FLAT OUT, then I will consider you a RACER and expect you prepare like a RACER. Sorry, but lap belts are just not going to cut it if you want to run all out. Cages and bars will not be required but at least racing gloves and racing jackets will be. 2005 or newer helmets, no more motorcycle helmets and fire extingishers. For those that still want to play but don't want to be in the big league, that is fine, just expect slower speeds. Remember, we don't need safety equipment in anything until we have a problem. Think about it, what is your head worth to you??? How about your skin? Ask Brian Finch how quickly things can go wrong and how hot it gets when a fuel line connection snaps and dumps raw fuel on your headers.
Sorry, but I have seen too many close calls this year and refuse to put participants in these situations where things can go wrong, without some proper protection. Even if you don't care, I do. Just think of me as your father when you were 8 years old...haha. If you can afford the type cars we are playing with now, you can surely afford some very basic safety gear and precautions. I spent the weekend at VIR this year too doing the HDPE. The harder you run with them, the more they expect you to have also. We are getting to the point of serious speed and that means more protection and talent required.

[Bill Howell]

I thought this was about modifying street driven cars to perform better, not building race cars !

It is. However, coming to events you learn very quickly different people have different ideas on where that line the sand is. As a promoter, trying to make the majority happy (I have given up on trying to please everyone) I have to decide the difference. I think I have a pretty good handle on that now and feel most will be happy with the changes in 2012.
Remember I want the most fun with the least drama. The best way I know to accomplish that at events is have people well prepared before they get there.
In 2011 we had over 600 people pay to play, without one asking for a refund, we must be doing something right.... :)

[musclecarmatt]

Easy guys, don't start with what rules are needed and what we don't need. There will be two groups of cars, all will have track time and fun track time. However, if you plan to RUN FLAT OUT, then I will consider you a RACER and expect you prepare like a RACER. Sorry, but lap belts are just not going to cut it if you want to run all out. Cages and bars will not be required but at least racing gloves and racing jackets will be. 2005 or newer helmets, no more motorcycle helmets and fire extingishers. For those that still want to play but don't want to be in the big league, that is fine, just expect slower speeds. Remember, we don't need safety equipment in anything until we have a problem. Think about it, what is your head worth to you??? How about your skin? Ask Brian Finch how quickly things can go wrong and how hot it gets when a fuel line connection snaps and dumps raw fuel on your headers.
Sorry, but I have seen too many close calls this year and refuse to put participants in these situations where things can go wrong, without some proper protection. Even if you don't care, I do. Just think of me as your father when you were 8 years old...haha. If you can afford the type cars we are playing with now, you can surely afford some very basic safety gear and precautions. I spent the weekend at VIR this year too doing the HDPE. The harder you run with them, the more they expect you to have also. We are getting to the point of serious speed and that means more protection and talent required.

I agree by all means there....but are they're going be a street car class?...i know like DSE and bigger boys are pretty much almost racecars...and i no where near that level....just want take my car out and see what i compares to some other street pro-touring guys.....i know helmet be a must..and fire extingishers

[BonzoHansen]

Run to the Shore, Millville, N.J. April 6-8

That is Easter weekend. Which might work out good for me. I better go out to the garage now.

[SparkyRnD]

Bill, sounds like you have the right idea about safety. You never know what can go wrong during an event, so preparation and tech inspections are good. Plus having everyone attend a safety meeting (even a brief one) can help if or when a problem arises. Since we are still building Sabre, incorporating any requirements shouldn't be too hard on our end.

[sr73bu]

Easy guys, don't start with what rules are needed and what we don't need. There will be two groups of cars, all will have track time and fun track time. However, if you plan to RUN FLAT OUT, then I will consider you a RACER and expect you prepare like a RACER. Sorry, but lap belts are just not going to cut it if you want to run all out. Cages and bars will not be required but at least racing gloves and racing jackets will be. 2005 or newer helmets, no more motorcycle helmets and fire extingishers. For those that still want to play but don't want to be in the big league, that is fine, just expect slower speeds. Remember, we don't need safety equipment in anything until we have a problem. Think about it, what is your head worth to you??? How about your skin? Ask Brian Finch how quickly things can go wrong and how hot it gets when a fuel line connection snaps and dumps raw fuel on your headers.
Sorry, but I have seen too many close calls this year and refuse to put participants in these situations where things can go wrong, without some proper protection. Even if you don't care, I do. Just think of me as your father when you were 8 years old...haha. If you can afford the type cars we are playing with now, you can surely afford some very basic safety gear and precautions. I spent the weekend at VIR this year too doing the HDPE. The harder you run with them, the more they expect you to have also. We are getting to the point of serious speed and that means more protection and talent required.

Thats great news! I think the big issue was cages in street cars safety/cost/ "2% of my driving is on the track"...
The above is more than fair and if you ran on the track or at any RTT? event (with a roadcourse) you already have a SA2005 helmet.... a pair of 3pt+ belts (most people have), fire extingisher (most people have), gloves and jacket is a minimal investment to have an absolute blast!

Thanks Bill!

-Sean

[GeoffP]

Maybe one of our wonderful vendors will do a group buy (it is coming up on Christmas time!) so that all of us who don't have gloves and jackets can get them knowing they are approved for one of the many events in 2012. I agree that safety is a must.

Stepping up on the soap box a minute, anyone running a quick connect on their fuel rail needs to check it closely and plan to replace it if it has a plastic retaining mechanism (just my .02) or a plastic quick release. FYI - the OE GM LT1 quick connector is all metal and requires a special tool to release it from the rail.

So what will the requirement be on where the extinguisher needs to be mounted?

Thanks!!

[gtncpa]

Darn, RTTS is Easter Weekend! If I want to stay married ... I got to be home for Easter. I had a blast last year and was hoping for more fun this year.

[lvrpool32]

See you in jersey bitches...this time I will be a little more prepared!

I'm ready now...and I will not be taking the car apart this winter!! (well..ok..just maybe a little bit...:-)

[gsxrken]

Geoff, the group buy is a brilliant suggestion! I bet at least half of the 600 people Bill said did RTTx last year don't have gloves or fire-suit. A pro-touring sponsor could theoretically fill a few hundred orders in a huge group buy. I have an extinguisher but I bet they would move nicely too for the same reason.

Bill, rock on. We're all indebted to you and Melinda. I only pointed out the PCA checklist in the spirit of helping you not having to rethink/recreate the wheel. My fears of rollcage, racing seat with 5 point harness, HANS and center nets etc requirements have been put to rest. My kids still beg for rides in the car when I have it out. Gloves and fire-jacket or suit don't change the character of my car and I can use them for years to come at RTTx and the other track days I do. Good for you. Please post up when you land on what SFI 3.2A rating you are going to specify.

[lvrpool32]

Let's remember something else....these are not races, they are track days. A chance to test our cars (driving skills) safely in a controlled environment, not to set lap records, and then go home safe.
I don't see an issue with some common sense safety rules and the creation of classes. In fact if you go to many HPD type events "novices' are required to have an instructor drive with you, so we are already experiencing some "additional" freedom.
Some of us can spend $5000 on wheels, so whats $400 on a SNELL helmet and a firesuit.
Looking forward to RTTS II, thanks again Bill

[gtncpa]

I agree 110% Ken. My gloves are starting to look ratty .. I could use a jacket. Fire extinguishers mounted in the car?

[73CPCAMARO]

Bill,

It sounds like you have a great idea how to move foreward with your events. Thank you for doing this for us. Safety is huge and your events give us a great venue to play with our cars and hang out with some really cool people.

Brian

[carguy502]

Bill,

Thanks so much for putting this stuff on. It's so much fun doing track days and remembering the joy that can get lost in the wrench time. I'll be at the RTTC event and Thunderhill without a doubt and I am looking forward to updating my car with a gaggle of safety equipment I should have had in the first place!

Best,

Don

[Gitter Dun]

Bill, you've worked hard at putting these events together and am glad your experiences recognize the direction alot of us are going with our cars as some of us enjoy running a little harder and safety should be a big concern.
I'm glad you've decided to break cars into two groups. I still think we are a little behind in the safety department and think that cages should be a requirement for those of us that run a little harder. I also think a sub-belt or 4 point harness should be required in addition to the fire extinguisher and race clothing. I mean seriously, if you have the money for a 600 hp plus motor, multi thousand dollar suspensions, tires, wheels, brakes, and intend on running track days be realistic.

Just my opinion and I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers I just think as we get faster every year safety should always be number one on the list.

Hope a Thunderhill track day will be feasable and hope to see you guys at RTTC this year....oh, and one request, can we have a 100 tread wear group?

[Flash68]

I'm glad safety is being addressed. I was lucky my car came with a cage when I bought it last year, but I chose months ago to make investments in safety -- full nomex suit, gloves, boots and even socks. Like many have said, we have thousands and tens of thousands in our cars... what's another several hundred to maybe a thousand for safety gear?

And if were needing a jacket or suit, guys, just buy a full suit. It's not much more and it protects your WHOLE body. Are you buying a jacket just to comply with rules? Shouldn't you be doing it like Dad (Bill) says and for your own safety and health? ;)

These events are really shaping how our cars are getting driven, and then built and rebuilt.

[vanzuuk1]

http://www.saferacer.com/g-force-racer-package.html?productid=2131

This looks pretty decent, yes?

[vanzuuk1]

Nick, Ken and I are driving out if you want to join the fun..last year we left Kens driveway during a light snowfall, good times.

[lvrpool32]

Well I have been in touch with my group from last year...and the Easter weekend date is not looking good :-(

[lvrpool32]

Nick, Ken and I are driving out if you want to join the fun..last year we left Kens driveway during a light snowfall, good times.

Thats the same suit/gloves I have.....works fine.

[damannhw]

It is. However, coming to events you learn very quickly different people have different ideas on where that line the sand is. As a promoter, trying to make the majority happy (I have given up on trying to please everyone) I have to decide the difference. I think I have a pretty good handle on that now and feel most will be happy with the changes in 2012.
Remember I want the most fun with the least drama. The best way I know to accomplish that at events is have people well prepared before they get there.
In 2011 we had over 600 people pay to play, without one asking for a refund, we must be doing something right.... :)



Bill,
Thanks for all you do, and yes, you are doing it right ! After watching for a few years, it was an absolute blast to actually get to participate in a couple of events this year. I'm glad to hear there will not be any roll-cage requirements so I can keep my car streetable, and my kids get to enjoy it as well (they thank you). I have as much fun getting seeing the smiles on their faces when we go for a ride as I do coming to the events! As far as the other safety requirements mentioned, I agree completely and think each one is a good idea, and thank you for "pushing" us to look closer at our own personal safety.

[68sixspeed]

Sounds like a good middle ground for the basic safety stuff!

But RTTS falls on Easter weekend? really? I have found religion a few times while sliding sideways on a racetrack, but Easter weekend might be bad mojo! (let alone family commitments etc.)

[GrabberGT]

For those of us not choosing to go all out on the track, what is our expected experience? I ask because I really dont see myself doing that many track days and Autocross does not require Jacket or Gloves. I dont mind parade laps or additional barriers to break up the fast sections. This will be my first time on the road course so my level of expectation isnt very high to begin with.

Thanks

[carguy502]

Sounds like a good middle ground for the basic safety stuff!

But RTTS falls on Easter weekend? really? I have found religion a few times while sliding sideways on a racetrack, but Easter weekend might be bad mojo! (let alone family commitments etc.)

What is that they say, "Don't lift till you see Jesus"? Sounds like a great Easter to me!

Don

[Project92rs]

oh, and one request, can we have a 100 tread wear group?

Agreed. Some of us haven't moved up from the factory 16 inch wheels yet and that leaves us stuck with tires in the 300+ tread wear rating and full race tires like the NT01 that are only 100 tread wear.

The rest of the equipment required isn't that bad. We already have the jackets and helmets since the drag racing side of the sport requires those. And I have a fire extinguisher mount that I just need to decide where to put it to be compliant. When the race seats and 4 / 5 point harness go in, then I'll look at putting in at least a 4 point bar to hold the harness in the correct position.

[Bill Howell]

No, I won't give in on the TW number. Remember, all us running KDWs are running 300TW too. Most 100TW tires are R (racing) rated tires and that is not the spirit of what we do. TW of 200, IMO is an equalizer that keeps us "Street Cars on Street Tires". Just a line in the sand I drew a couple years back and until someone proves me wrong, we will stick with it.

[sik68]

For those that aren't compliant with the TW rule in 2012, they can still run 'exhibition' and get their lap times, right Bill? At RTTC 2 there were several exhib. cars that were fun to watch (that crazy "Volvo" IIRC was a fan favorite).

[PT Sportwagon]

Bill, What rating are you going to require for the gloves/Jacket? What about seat belts? dated or ???

Tim

[rdchandler]

We will be in for the RTTC and the Thunderhill event! Woo Hoo!
Rob C.

[Gitter Dun]

See you guys in March. 200 tread wear style.

[BlackPearl]

Bill,

First off, thanks for putting all of these events together. I was at your last Irvine event and enjoyed watching but this year my car is done and ready to rock. With that said, I see these discussions regarding cages, helmets & gloves... Is all of that stuff now required to join in on the "Run to the coast"? I have a convertible, so I was heading in this direction anyway but I just haven't found the right cage, yet, to keep it a sunday driver for my wife & I on the non race weekends. Please let me know if that's now required for all these events or if I misunderstood.

Thanks,

Bob

[mikey]

Bill another location you may want to look at in the future is Heartland Park Topeka. They have a 2.1+ mile multi configured road course, drag strip and plenty of room for a autocross. One day I'll get my car done so I can actually attend an event as a participant.

[rayy]

Is there a year model cut off for the event? I have never been to one of the events.

[mdprovee]

Time to start preparing, and see everyone at RTTC. Maybe a second driver...

[The Stickman]

See you in jersey bitches...this time I will be a little more prepared!

You and me both. Looks like I have 5 and a half months. EEK!!!

[The Stickman]

Dan, we are working on that now along with getting everything ready for 2012.
All cars will be required to have a fire extinguisher at any of our events next year.
I am probably going to have two groups of cars at each event. Those that have proper safety equipment both for driver and car and those that are there for fun runs.
Now that I have said that, I just need to determine what is enough safety equipment to run all out....... simple enough-right?

THe sooner the better for clarification so that we may get what we need done. Do you know the size of fire extinguisher?

[JEFFTATE]

It looks like the schedule is pretty open for the month of June ..

[SparkyRnD]

It looks like the schedule is pretty open for the month of June ..

Sounds like we need a fun-run at Red Top Auto Auction, even if it isn't an official run. How much did the insurance policy run for that event?

[tommycomfort]

It looks like the schedule is pretty open for the month of June ..

Chevellabration is usually the first or second weekend of June in Nashville (Goodlettsville, TN). Specific to Chevelle guys of course, but now that they are running an autocross hopefully we can get more P-T folks to attend.
Tom

[lotarust]

Sounds like a great season! I will be at all the east coast events but I think me and the mustang are both too old for a run to Texas or California although anything is possible. Thanks for the post Bill.

[SicMonte]

I just cant wait until next year.....

[rockytopper]

For Run to the Alamo is it too early to ask where the car show etc will be held and if Known where are you guys planning on staying? I'm Asking because the Race track is located in some of the nicest scenic areas of Texas. Many choices in the area to choose from for overnight accommodations. Wimberly, Geune, New Braunfels etc... Of course San Antonio has the river walk and the Alamo and market square. Also would like clarification on what is going to be required for the none race driver class so that we can start getting ready. After all I might have to ask Santa to bring me something for Christmas.

[71duster]

hey bill. sounds like a good schedule so far! but i can't seem to find san marquis,tx on the atlas. is it maybe san marcos? i would like to try to make that one so the winter doesn't seem so long.

[GrabberGT]

Yes it is San Marcos Texas

[rdchandler]

Bill,
What are the rules for more than one driver per car? My son and I would both like to drive and we would gadly buy two registerations.

Rob C.

[cmraman]

I'm hopefully going to make it for RTTC. Hey Mike, got a car I can use? LOL??

[796spdbu]

Hoping to make a few of these this year.

[MrAngry]

Absolutely!

[BuddyP]

Gotta hit the lottery so i can get the car done! Glad I did a 4 point at the last min. Did it with stuff like this in mind. Hopefully I can be joining in on these event in the drivers seat in a couple years.

[71duster]

anymore news on the safety requirements? i want to order a jacket soon so i have it ahead of time.

[Bill Howell]

anymore news on the safety requirements? i want to order a jacket soon so i have it ahead of time.

Rules will be posted very soon on the website. However, as far as Jacket goes, any fire resistant jacket will be fine, and you only need it if you are going to do the other things to qualify and run with the fast group. The novice group just needs long sleeve cotton shirts. I don't want to mandate expensive clothes, like helmets, I always just ask the question, how important is your skin to you if you were in a fire. Buy your clothes based on your personal answer. Myself, I like my skin pretty good so I bought a 3 layer suit.

[SparkyRnD]

I bought a helmet from Jeff Tate, but will have to see if it is fire rated. If not, I may pick up one of those fire retardant head socks. Also going to look at a jacket as well.

[Roadbuster]

I'll be there for RTTC!

[SRD art]

got a couple newbie q's-

What's the difference between a motorcycle and SA2010 helmet?

Is there a link to a past event with a description of the event and/or videos? Sounds like this is a road course go fast deal rather than just autocross?

Is it a one day or two day deal?

I'd like to attend an event with the wagon depending on where I get a job after graduating in April, from what everyone says it sounds like a blast...

[GeoffP]

Sparky, I'm pretty sure M helmets are not fire/flame resistant. I bought SA based on what I read about it last year.

So we need the following:

A fire extinguisher
3 point or better belts
FR Jacket (Does a long sleeve FR shirt work as well?)
FR gloves
SA rated 2005 or newer

Am I missing anything?

[Bow Tie 67]

Motorcycle helmets do not have fire resistant fabric and they are tested via one hard blow vs several.

[SparkyRnD]

looks like I'll be selling that helmet then. Unless we are allowed to combine an M helmet with a fire rated head sock:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/K1-Double-Layer-Nomex-Fire-Resistant-Head-Sock-Racing-/350421668079?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item905b6d13fe

[SRD art]

Ohhhh. A helmet surviving many noggin blasts compared to one is a good thing. :) I'd also rather not look like Ghost Rider should the race heat up a bit too much, lol!

[SparkyRnD]

Bill, what are your thoughts on the fire rated head sock in conjunction with an m2005 helmet?

[Bill Howell]

Bill, what are your thoughts on the fire rated head sock in conjunction with an m2005 helmet?

I think in a real fire situation you would have a melted helmet on your fire sock with your head trapped inside and very hot.
Seriously, motorcycle helmets are just not designed for fire protection and IMO, are as bad on your head in a fire inside a car as not having a helmet on at all. If we could predict our accidents, we wouldn't need protection at all right?
To me, a good helmet, designed to protect more than the bump is a small price to pay to be sure you are protecting yourself the best way possible.
Look at it this way, would you wear a fire protective undershirt under a polyester jacket? I doubt it, and similar results, except your head with the sock and M helmet.

[SparkyRnD]

well put

[Johnnyb59]

Guys, you should read this first hand account of a car fire, it might change a few thoughts on personal safety.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/628120-anatomy-of-a-race-car-fire-2-weekends-ago.html

[Flash68]

Guys, you should read this first hand account of a car fire, it might change a few thoughts on personal safety.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/628120-anatomy-of-a-race-car-fire-2-weekends-ago.html

Yep I read about that on another forum as well... people should not be trying to do the minimum to be "compliant" with the rules IMO. Do your own research, ask questions, and protect yourself and spend the money. It took me awhile to shift my budget from performance items to safety items, but I am now there and I feel safer and better about it.

Anything can happen on a track. Be safe everyone.

[Bill Howell]

Guys, you should read this first hand account of a car fire, it might change a few thoughts on personal safety.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/628120-anatomy-of-a-race-car-fire-2-weekends-ago.html
Thanks for posting this Johnny. I have read the thread, plus this one http://forums.nasaaz.com/showthread.php?t=4774 that is linked in the first post of yours. It has pictures of the burns, etc.
If I can, I will make this mandatory reading for anyone coming to an event, and especially for those that want to use their motorcycle helmets. This just goes to prove my point that nothing is important until something happens then that $200 you spent might be the difference in injuries or death. The couple incidents that have happened this year, one fire and one get together with a tree prove how quick things can and will go wrong. Hopefully as people see this they will realize we are not making things perfect, just trying to be safe.

[Flash68]

I have read the thread, plus this one http://forums.nasaaz.com/showthread.php?t=4774 that is linked in the first post of yours. It has pictures of the burns, etc.


Wow that is intense. One thing I keep seeing come up is that practicing your exit in the event of a fire often saves those few precious seconds. Not a bad thing to consider as well as the safety equipment.

[dusterbd13]

i live just uyp the way from kershaw. its actually my home roadcourse. run it often and hard. so do a lot of my customers.

can i register now?
how about for RTTH?

damn, im excited now.
i still need to send you the tech sheets i promised at RTTH. its what we use for pre-event inspections at HPDE, TT< and wheel to wheel for the BMW club, Porsche club, palmetto sports car club, etc. should be good for us.

can i vlunteer to be of assistance with the saftey stuff?
Michael

[SparkyRnD]

just watched the video and read the thread, and saw the pictures. Sounds like a fire rated full face helmet and a fire rated head sock as well are in my future

[Rileys68Camaro]

I'm interested in something in UT, ID or CO. My car may not be ready, probably won't be, but I'd like something closer to attend and spectate if I could and I'd pay a regular entry fee to help get it close. If it's close, I might be able to attend in a stripped down car with no interior etc just to go.

[Flash68]

just watched the video and read the thread, and saw the pictures. Sounds like a fire rated full face helmet and a fire rated head sock as well are in my future

Good call Sparky. Me too.

[tazzz25906112]

When building Cochise I placed a full fire suppression system in the car as I thought we were smart enough to know things have evolved from humble beginnings,,,,,, after seeing this video all my cars will be retrofit ASAP.. We're all three times seven so to speak and if this isn't enough to bring home the reality of a fire in what we are doing then we really might want to reflect a little....

[Bow Tie 67]

Alright .............. were going Wheel to Wheel ....WooHoo....... its about time, I knew not painting my car was the way to go!!



Ok, that was some nasty crap and yes safety needs to be paramount!!! But lets all learn the real lesson here. No Jim-Bob maintenance on our vehicles, and tech has got to take this into account. We as " Enthusiasts " need to INSPECT and MAINTAIN our TOYS as if they are race cars. I have worked on aircraft for 26 years and its ingrained in me to check, double check and recheck.

In case you did not see it, that fire was caused because of sh*tty maintenance. They forgot to put bolts ( or I think tighten them ) in the trans to engine mounting surface. Obviously NOT good.

[Van B]

[QUOTE=Bow Tie 67;864079]Alright .............. were going Wheel to Wheel ....WooHoo....... its about time, I knew not painting my car was the way to go!!
QUOTE]


Just read the last page of posts and still have no idea what you are referring to.

[SLO_Z28]

Alright .............. were going Wheel to Wheel ....WooHoo....... its about time, I knew not painting my car was the way to go!!


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/12/bunny-1.jpg

[Flash68]

When building Cochise I placed a full fire suppression system in the car as I thought we were smart enough to know things have evolved from humble beginnings,,,,,, after seeing this video all my cars will be retrofit ASAP.. We're all three times seven so to speak and if this isn't enough to bring home the reality of a fire in what we are doing then we really might want to reflect a little....

Albert, was gonna PM you but figured others may want to know as well.... which fire suppression system do you have in Cochise? I am shopping them right now....

thanks!

[SLO_Z28]

Get a FE36 based system that is SFI 17.1 certified, then install it per FIA standards.

[Bow Tie 67]

[QUOTE=Bow Tie 67;864079]Alright .............. were going Wheel to Wheel ....WooHoo....... its about time, I knew not painting my car was the way to go!!
QUOTE]


Just read the last page of posts and still have no idea what you are referring to.



Ok, the guy with the major fire was all out racing Wheel to Wheel..........

Most groups do not require fire suits unless its wheel to wheel .............

So I used wheel to wheel comment as a smart a** reply

But in all seriousness the second part of my reply was the fact his Fire was caused by carelessness on the mechanical end!!!!!

The fire last year was caused by a lack of prep. Oil was left under the car, might as well have been gasoline. Yes I understand Sh*t happens, but taking the time to try and prevent a catastrophe goes a long way.

In no way do I want this to sound like I'm against safety................. But, and this is a big but, we are playing with high stakes, take the time to make things correct and double check!!

The guy in the video, could have easily hit a wall hard, due to his carelessness with the trans bolts, and ended up out cold and burnt to death.

[protour73]

A bit out of place here, but since Bill brought up the Motorstate event (a non-Run To event) I will add the tentative dates that Heidt's has posted on their Facebook page for the Heidt's Performance Car Challenge 2012.

I want to see this this event be successful, as it was my very first track experience only 20 minutes from my home, I met great new friends, and Heidt's did a great job putting it on.

as posted by Heidt's - (not official YET)

Hint: Block out THESE dates on your calender: June 29, 30, and July 1... Autobahn Country Club, Joliet, IL... more info to come in January...

[Rileys68Camaro]

Good discussions on safety, but perhaps we could split off this thread into a list of events and another with safety tech for those events? I think it would make it easier to read through trying to find more info on dates and places.

[Bill Howell]

A bit out of place here, but since Bill brought up the Motorstate event (a non-Run To event) I will add the tentative dates that Heidt's has posted on their Facebook page for the Heidt's Performance Car Challenge 2012.

I want to see this this event be successful, as it was my very first track experience only 20 minutes from my home, I met great new friends, and Heidt's did a great job putting it on.

as posted by Heidt's - (not official YET)

Thanks Scott! This certainly was a well attended event in 2011, even though I was at another event that weekend, I heard it was a real hit. We do want all dates as soon as they are announced to try and keep everything in front of people and not get too many events too close together. The guys at Heidts are working on making this happen from what I hear and this is certainly the place to try and keep all events posted together. Hopefully we can make it to Joliet in 2012, I hear it is a great venue.

[Jim Nilsen]

I am looking forward to the new season and seeing everyone again.
I have been all for saftey in my car from the day I started building it. the fact that most of you may have wondered why I never put any carpet in and finished of the interior like most PT cars out there is a simple one, FIRE!!!!! I have done everything inside my car to make sure there isn't anything that can catch fire easily. My door panels and headliner are aluminum and it has taken me some time to find what to use for the rest of the interior that is fire retartant yet still looks nice. This summer a good friend who has a vintage scca Camaro found the answer for me. they now make a Nomex velour material that is not too expensive so as not to break the bank for most. You can get it with a foam backing or without. The stuff I am considering can be found at Pegasus Racing Equipment. It is sold for covering racing seats and has a foam backing and is only $130 for a 5'x9' roll. This is not only good for seats but the look isn't oo bad for covering most any other area of your car where you would normally see vinyl or carpet. This may not be for everyone but it is something to consider when doing all out runs for fun or sport. The bottom line is that in some racing rules interior pieces that are flamable have to be removed and I wanted an interior that was nice enough to be comfortable and look good yet didn't have to be removed. This has not been easy to do and the cost is a bit higher unless you do all the work yourself. The next step is clothing and that is an expensive step and no work ,just buy it. The cost of the clothes is as expensive as an event and I like going to events, so with all of the other precautions I feel safer but probably am not if the fire is that quicly out of control. Maybe I should buy the clothes and then finish the interior? but I really want my car to look good inside and out so it is about the rules that are required to decide for me at this time.

So when you are adding all the fire extinguishers and saftey belts don't forget about the materials that can be eliminated that can catch fire.
keeping the fire on the outside of the car should be fairly easy to do in most cases but it is always better to not not have to worry about it at all. My fire extinguisher is mouted so that all I have to do is pull the pin and press the lever and it will put me out if I am on fire, I always figure it will be next to impossible to remove it from its mount fast enough.

It is also a new rule for NHRA to have a mount that holds your extinguisher in place with a pin release instead of the fold over latches that have allowed the extingisher to come loose in an accident. It is on my agenda to add one but so far SCCA rules don't seem to go there yet but they will soon from what I have heard a few comment where I by parts.

This kind of raises the bar for all of us and will change the way we build interiors. It also brings us closer to real race cars, which is what we emulate by the way we drive.

[Flash68]

^ Jim, that stuff sounds pretty cool... got any pics anywhere of the nomex velour type material?

[vanzuuk1]

It looks like Steevo has what we need...https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?85915-Safety-Gear-Package-Deal-for-ASCS-Events

[vanzuuk1]

Nice suit at a nice price....
http://twistmachine.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=40

[SLO_Z28]

Day Motorsports has the same thing for less:
http://www.daymotorsports.com/

You can also get a brand new Sparco Jade suit thats is 5 times better for around $269 shipped:
http://www.saferacer.com/sparco-jade-racing-suit.html?productid=2133

I really dont get why a jacket is required but not pants? This is essentially the same as SCCA TT CR, and they require a 5 layer suit that covers from the neck to the feet, and fire resistant underwear. They also only require a SA2000 helmet.

[Flash68]

You can also get a brand new Sparco Jade suit thats is 5 times better for around $269 shipped:
http://www.saferacer.com/sparco-jade-racing-suit.html?productid=2133

I really dont get why a jacket is required but not pants? This is essentially the same as SCCA TT CR, and they require a 5 layer suit that covers from the neck to the feet, and fire resistant underwear. They also only require a SA2000 helmet.

I have the jade suit and it is a very nice piece.

I am curious on the jacket only thing as well.

[vanzuuk1]

How is the sparco suit five times better?

[twstmc]

Day Motorsports has the same thing for less:
http://www.daymotorsports.com/

You can also get a brand new Sparco Jade suit thats is 5 times better for around $269 shipped:
http://www.saferacer.com/sparco-jade-racing-suit.html?productid=2133

I really dont get why a jacket is required but not pants? This is essentially the same as SCCA TT CR, and they require a 5 layer suit that covers from the neck to the feet, and fire resistant underwear. They also only require a SA2000 helmet.

Sure we do :)

We do offer the Sparco Jade Suit as well for $269.99. We have been adding new products every day..just haven't had a chance to get it up on website. That should be remedied in next day or 2..feel free to call us to order in mean time.

Any questions regarding product information or rating, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Thanks,
Mary

[Steve Chryssos]

The jacket is in conjunction with natural fiber, long pants such as denim jeans and gives our community a chance to get in on safety gear for under $200. By all means, participants are welcome and even encouraged to buy one piece multi-layer suits instead of the jacket. As for the why, please do not compare ASCS directly with SCCA or NASA TT as ASCS has distinct guidelines on passing that are geared towards first time and novice participants. There will be more on this subject in the very near future. Be assured that the Bill is tuning the safety guidelines to suit our community.

Day Motorsports and Saferacer are spectacular companies. Two of the best in racing. But don't be afraid to order from a source that speaks hot rod -- and ASCS. I helped launch the Motor State Challenge -- the largest performance driving event in our community and have worked with Bill for years on various efforts.
Thanks
/Steevo

[Jim Nilsen]

^ Jim, that stuff sounds pretty cool... got any pics anywhere of the nomex velour type material?

You can go to Pegasus and see a pic that is so so. Look for it under saftey equipment and in the seats section. The 5'x9' roll is $149
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com

[SLO_Z28]

Sure we do :)

We do offer the Sparco Jade Suit as well for $269.99.


^Sweet!

[SLO_Z28]

How is the sparco suit five times better?

The SFI 3.2A/1 rating means you the material will resist a set amount of direct heat for 3 seconds before 2nd degree burns. The 3.2/5 Rating would net you 7 seconds at minimum. The jade suit has a TPP rating that puts it in the 18-19 second range, but because of the materials used there isn't the manufacturing consistency to certify it will meed the 3.2/10 rating, so they rate it /5 which it solidly passes.


SCCA TT CR is amateur racing, and I think it matches what we do closely, except they have a training segment called PDX. They dont require roll bars in TT CR racing.

[vanzuuk1]

Expect to hear from me soon Steevo.

[Steve Chryssos]

The SFI 3.2A/1 rating means you the material will resist a set amount of direct heat for 3 seconds before 2nd degree burns. The 3.2/5 Rating would net you 7 seconds at minimum. The jade suit has a TPP rating that puts it in the 18-19 second range, but because of the materials used there isn't the manufacturing consistency to certify it will meed the 3.2/10 rating, so they rate it /5 which it solidly passes.

I'm sure you are just trying to be helpful, but I don't want anyone reading this to get confused or misled. Please note that every suit or jacket and pants listed in our e-store is 3.2A/5 minimum with high TPP rating. Everything: RaceQuip, G-Force, Simpson and Sparco.

Sparco gear is now loaded on our e-store including suits, shoes and gloves. TwistMachine.com Safety Gear (http://twistmachine.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=7)

[SLO_Z28]

I'm sure you are just trying to be helpful, but I don't want anyone reading this to get confused or misled. Please note that every suit or jacket and pants listed in our e-store is 3.2A/5 minimum with high TPP rating. Everything: RaceQuip, G-Force, Simpson and Sparco.

Sparco gear is now loaded on our e-store including suits, shoes and gloves. TwistMachine.com Safety Gear (http://twistmachine.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=7)

Yes they all meet /5 but the sparco suit is MUCH better as its FAR exceeds the /5 standard, and almost reaches the /10 standard. Racequip, G-Force and entry level Simpson suits aren't near the quality of sparco.

[twstmc]

We'll be happy to accommodate your preference.

[gsxrken]

Thanks for pulling this together Steve. And James, thanks for the Sparco info.
As time goes by, I've learned that service and getting something right the first time is almost priceless. I have less time than I'd like for this hobby. When I did, I would scour the internet for hours to save $12 or so. What you realize after your 5th conversation with a gum-chewing temp in customer service is there is a more intangible concept of value. Price needs to be in the same zip code, but during and after-sale service dwarfs the Walmart mentality. Every time. I now use many sponsors on this board for that very reason.

[protour73]

To all that had a great time at the Heidt's Performance Car CHallenge in 2011 ..... Looks like we have to skip the fun this year!!! DAMMIT

I find it quite odd that they would tease with an unoffical set of dates on their FaceBook page and then come out with this. What? Did they just decide at the last moment to move to a new facility? I dont think so.

Looks like I'm a definite for Motor State Challenge then.


Racers and Participants:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Many thanks for participating in the 2011 Heidts Performance Car Challenge after all it was you that made it the success it was.

With many regrets we will have to postpone the event for this year due to our up and coming move to a new, larger facility, with the recent expansion of Heidts, Alston Racing and Kenny Brown Performance. Hosting a three day event in the midst of our move would be impractical. We need to be fully focused on the event in order to exceed participant expectations. The good news! After our move to the new facility we should have a better show than ever in 2013.

So keep visiting this site as we will announce right here the plans for the 2013 Heidts Performance Car Challenge. The open house at the new facility will be awesome, followed by the most fun you can have with your personal car at a race track.


Heidts Automotive
www.heidts.com
800-841-8188

[shoman04]

I would like to know about regsitration for RTTOS May 11-13. the date and were is on the american street car series web site but no rregsitration.