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exwestracer
11-04-2011, 02:32 PM
For those of you who've never heard of the book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance", it was more about a way of thinking than it was about being a mechanic...

Well, over the years, I've found the same thing applies to all those notches we have to make when building anything out of round tubing. So here goes:

Successfully notching tubing isn't about having super-expensive tools, or a computer program to draw the notches out (although those things never hurt). It's about imagination. Imagining yourself being the tube that is going to run through that saddle...[

When doing angled miter joints, one thing that REALLY helps is to cut the desired angle on the end of the tube FIRST. That way both notches are the same depth. If you are using a hole saw, this isn't AS important, but when laying notches out by hand, it is much easier to visualize the cut needed.

I teach (and do) it in 3 steps:

First, determine the axis of the joint (fancy way of saying which direction the notch needs to run on the tube) and cut the desired angle. A simple way to figure the angle is to lay the tube in place with a square cut end and measure how much "gap" is on the long side of the joint.
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Just make sure to leave enough extra tube on your initial (square) cut for angle and notch.

Second, mark depth of notch. This varies depending on what size tube you are notching ON TO. For equal size tubes, I use 1/2 diameter - 1/8". This will leave a little material at the tips of the notch so it won't vaporize when you weld around it. If you REALLY want to know how to calculate the notch depth for any combination of tube sizes, Google "arc sagitta" and learn the geometry. Once you've figured out how deep the notch needs to be, mark that depth on the tube along the center line of the notch axis.

Third, draw the notch profile right on the tube. Keep in mind that we need a ROUND shape, so if what you drew looks like this: \_/ .... wipe it off and try again. What you should have is a "smiley face"
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Once you have the shape correct as you are looking at it, turn the tube 90 degrees and you will see the straight line you need to cut to get the notch shape. This method works no matter what the miter angle is.

I do most all my notching with a suicide wheel (6"X.045 severing disc) in a Bosch angle grinder. It is the fastest, most versitile tool for the job...and I've tried them all over the years. For thin-wall 4130 tubing (.065 or less), I use a belt or disc sander.

wellis77
11-05-2011, 12:46 AM
Great tip Ray, thanks. I was considering buying a TN-250 from Baleigh but couldn't justify it for the few notches I have. Will experiment with this method.

astroracer
11-05-2011, 05:51 PM
Some good info Ray! I used a 14" chop saw to get some of the angles for the control arms I built for the van. I also use my Harbor Freight notcher alot.
Here is a link to a post I made when I was notching all of the tubing for Bad Ast.
https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?20245-HOW-TO-Notching-Tubing&highlight=

exwestracer
11-06-2011, 07:02 PM
Some good info Ray! I used a 14" chop saw to get some of the angles for the control arms I built for the van. I also use my Harbor Freight notcher alot.
Here is a link to a post I made when I was notching all of the tubing for Bad Ast.
https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?20245-HOW-TO-Notching-Tubing&highlight=

Mark,
I noticed on your thread that you built a fixture to align the ends of the notch. If you are notching them by hand you can lay a short piece of tube on a table and lock the first notch onto it and clamp the tube down (if necessary). Then take another short scrap piece and hold up against the other end. The 2 tubes will only be touching in 2 spots. If you carefully mark those 2 spots, you now have the "axis" for the second notch. Again, this has the advantage of working with any combination of notch angles, as long as the mating tubes are parallel.

Just curious...I couldn't tell from the pics, but how well did your HF notcher center the notch on the tube? One of my biggest bitches about those things has always been the offset that you seem to get in the notch. I've given them plenty of chances (bought them from various mfrs...), and always end up chucking the things over the back fence...

astroracer
11-07-2011, 03:35 AM
I've had no issues with centering. It is dead on. Here are a couple pics of the typical fit-up I get. Usually a little clean-up work with a flap wheel has the joint ready to weld.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/11/MVC017Fvi-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/11/MVC015Fvi-1.jpg
I must have been fortunate when I got this HF notcher. Zero problems with and it has notched a lot of tubing and is still going strong.
Mark