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tiznodd
10-22-2011, 09:02 AM
Hello all,

I have been scouring the internet for weeks trying to figure out what the right solution to my fuel tank/pump dilemma. I spent an untold amount of time trying to modify a factory tank to work with twin in-tank Walbro 255 pumps, similar to how the 4th gen guys do it, only to have the tank fail miserably as a result of my poor welds. It was all in the name of saving money, but after reading it looks like it would have failed regardless because I had no baffling system setup and I don't want to run a full tank at all times. So now I have 2 Walbro 255 pumps, a completed feed/return line system, a manual Weldon pressure regulator near the fuel rails and completed wiring set to activate the 2nd pump from a pressure hobbs switch - I really don't want to scrap all of that work.

The vehicle is a 1967 Camaro with an LS based 6.0 and a 76mm turbocharger. The fuel system needs to be able to handle approximately 900hp. The reality is that I will probably run it at a lower power level, but I don't want to do this twice.

Some of the issues I can't make sense of are as follows:

It seems that the fuel pressure is internally regulated to 58psi. My tuner wants the pressure set at 50 base, and it's boost referenced, which means I would need the pressure to be able to increase to at least 66 psi. I believe the 255 Walbro pumps keep pressure in the line upwards of 70-80psi. Is there a way to bypass the regulator on the 5th gen modules all together?

The next issue is that it seems a computer module is needed to run twin pumps. They are set from the factory to run at the same time and they vary the duty cycle as demand changes. Is it possible to run as I originally intended and simply activate the second pump once positive manifold pressure is reached?

Can I use my current Walbro pumps in a fuel module? Should I?

Will the Venturi pump keep the module full with my fuel demand?

The only thing which seems certain is that I plan to use a Rick's Tank. I really like the Vaporworx setup, but if it comes down to me using an aftermarket fuel module, I might be $2500 deep in just a tank/pumps, which is a hard pill to swallow.

I'm completely at a loss here and this is the last frontier for my project. It should start once I install a tank/pump. Any help would be greatly appreciated, even if that means I need to re-evaluate the entire system.

Thanks,
Todd

CarlC
10-22-2011, 10:31 AM
Todd,

How much boost are you planning on?

Assume 15psi boost. With an at-idle fuel pressure of 42 psi, add 8psi to get to ATM pressure in the manifold, then add 15psi boost. That's 65psi if you want a 1:1 rising rate fuel pressure.

The CTS-V twin-pump module cannot be run on a Hobbs switch.

There's lots of information here http://www.vaporworx.com

tiznodd
10-23-2011, 08:11 AM
Carl,

Thanks for turning me onto the website. I had to read it a few times, but I've got a much better grasp on things. It sounds like I need the following:

A modified tank w/corner pickups
CTS-V Pump module
PressureWorx controller

From what I understand, the PressureWorx controller replaces the traditional fuel psi regulator I currently have, and it will be a return-less system. I have plumbed both a 1/2 feed and a 3/8 return, so one of those will have to go too. Would it be worth using the 1/2 feed line even though the fitting on the pump module is a #6?

I would like the system to be able to support 16 psi boost, however it will likely live in the 10-12 range.

Todd

tiznodd
10-23-2011, 08:13 AM
Also, the website says the retrofit kit must be used in an aftermarket tank, however there is a photo floating around of a modified Vaporworx factory tank. Will this setup work with a factory tank?

CarlC
10-24-2011, 08:04 AM
That photo is a tank that was built by Cris at JCG Customs. My RetroWorx kit will not work with a stock tank.

At 10psi boost (42psi initial + 8atm + 10boost = 60psi) the CTS-V should be good to about 825hp @ 0.6BSFC. If more is needed a boost-a-pump can be used.

At that kind of flowrate since you have the 1/2" in there I'd use that. If it's a rubber line you may want to reconsider and use Teflon flex lines and stainless hardline. Today's fuels and many stainless braided rubber lines just don't mix well.

DButler
10-28-2011, 09:58 AM
For my turbo setup I had the same problem as you but I am carb'ed. I am not sure the walbro pumps will be enough for the needed volume. I am running a Glenns performance and it works great. They offer the sleeper and sumped version. I am running a complete areomotive setup (A1000, filters, 13202 regulator, etc.) I am still tuning but tank and fuel system are not the problem. The Glenns tank is around $400-$500 and work great. I have the sleeper version.