Track Day! Buttonwillow / NCRC Sept. 17-18

[CarlC]

The NCRC is putting on a two-day HPDE at Buttonwillow Raceway Park on Sept. 17-18. I'm going, along with a few Corvette friends. I'm not sure if I'll go for one or both days, but the price is very appealing. $99 for each day. That's a bargain.

http://www.ncracing.org/events.php

So, who's up for burning some gas and tires?

[Flash68]

Oh yeah, I'm in on this one. Likely both days. From the chats I've been having we might have a good shot at putting together a nice group for this one.

Todd?
Gaetano?
Chad?
Doug?

We got 3 months to get our shiat together. Let's make it happen.

Carl - which run group will you be signing up for?

[sik68]

I'll have my act together by then. IN!

Update: Registered for Saturday and Sunday. First time at Buttonwillow, so I plan to start out in Solo and probably move up to Point-By sometime in the weekend. Looking forward to ripping it up with you guys!

CW #1 configuration Saturday
CCW #1 configuration Sunday

[Chad-1stGen]

Oh I'm looking forward to this!

Here is a Buttonwillow pic because all threads are better with pictures!!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/23346894016_large-1.jpg

Dave, to add to your list I think Larry has been making noise about wanting to get Motiv8er out to Buttonwillow. Given he is always tinkering with his motor, hopefully this gives him enough time to have the car sorted for a track day!

EDIT: I'll also throw down the guantlet. Jon, you have plenty of notice! Get that Nova ready! Brett, time to fab a roll bar! :)

[6'9"Witha69]

Sooo tempting. But as it always seems, this event has a conflict. My Oldest turns 11 on 09/18. The party is set for the 17th. I will have to see if I can just make it for Sunday. hhhmmmmmm.

[CarlC]

Nice photo Chad. I can promise that it won't be that green there in September.

I'll sign up for point-by.

[Flash68]

I'll have my act together by then. IN!

Update: Registered for Saturday and Sunday. First time at Buttonwillow, so I plan to start out in Solo and probably move up to Point-By sometime in the weekend. Looking forward to ripping it up with you guys!

CW #1 configuration Saturday
CCW #1 configuration Sunday

Awesome! I will do the same -- Solo to start and hopefully move up.




Dave, to add to your list I think Larry has been making noise about wanting to get Motiv8er out to Buttonwillow. Given he is always tinkering with his motor, hopefully this gives him enough time to have the car sorted for a track day!

EDIT: I'll also throw down the guantlet. Jon, you have plenty of notice! Get that Nova ready! Brett, time to fab a roll bar! :)

Yeah I realized after posting I could've added 5-10-or more guys that we could hope to get out there! :cheers:

At least we have 3 months to recruit hard... :)

[bosses son]

This could be a fun group! Its on my calendar!

[Gitter Dun]

Hmm.....might have to skip July 30th Buttonwillow for this one.

[CarlC]

Gaetano, I've done that same event at BW the same weekend in July. It's brutally hot. At least in September there's a chance the heat might break.

Carl '68 Camaro
Jon M. '05 Z06
John M. '08 Z06
Dave '68 Camaro
Steven '68 Camaro
Chad '68 Camaro
Nick? '69 Camaro
Kyle ?
Gaetano? '69 Camaro
Larry C.? '67 Camaro

[Gitter Dun]

Gaetano, I've done that same event at BW the same weekend in July. It's brutally hot. At least in September there's a chance the heat might break.

Carl
Dave
Steven
Chad
Nick?
Kyle
Gaetano?

Aside from that NCRC is $65 cheaper.

BTW Carl, I have a pair of used 275/40 17 Toyo R888's laying around I'd let go for cheap. Tread is at about 50% and they are fairly new. You'ld have to come up with another pair but if your interested PM me.

[CarlC]

Gaetano,

Thanks for the offer, but I'm sticking with tires I can drive in the rain comfortably. At least six times in the last year I was driving in some pretty heavy rain.

I know that there are at least three others coming. If we can get 15-20 cars we may be able to negotiate something where we all run in the same group. Getting our own group may be tough, but it should be doable to have us all run together (if you all want to.) If anyone has connections with NCRC........

[Nessumsar]

You can add my name to the list. Done or not, I'll be there.

Carl '68 Camaro
Jon M. '05 Z06
John M. '08 Z06
Dave '68 Camaro
Steven '68 Camaro
Chad '68 Camaro
Nick? '69 Camaro
Kyle ?
Gaetano? '69 Camaro
Larry C.? '67 Camaro
Jon R '72 Nova

[Gitter Dun]

I know that there are at least three others coming. If we can get 15-20 cars we may be able to negotiate something where we all run in the same group. Getting our own group may be tough, but it should be doable to have us all run together (if you all want to.) If anyone has connections with NCRC........

Add John Sevilla and his '67 Camaro to the list. If we get at least 20 to attend I will give Dave Mills a call and see what he could do for us.

[CarlC]

I believe that the best way for us to negotiate with NCRC is going to require us to do one simple thing: Sign up NOW. Go to the website, pay, and commit. Just like any business, orders take precedence.

I'm paid up for both days. It's too good a deal to pass up.

Carl '68 Camaro
Jon M. '05 Z06
John M. '08 Z06
Dave '68 Camaro
Steven '68 Camaro
Chad '68 Camaro
Nick? '69 Camaro
Kyle ?
Gaetano? '69 Camaro
Larry C.? '67 Camaro
Jon R '72 Nova
John Sevilla '67 Camaro

[Chad-1stGen]

I can commit to one day now. Not sure about both. I could probably be persuaded to do both, but if folks are doing one day which day? I know Nick mentioned Sunday. I'm partial to Saturday track days because I like to relax the day after but if Nick commits to Sunday I'll sign up for that day.

[LM7_67]

car should definitely be done by then.... might just have to sign up for both days

[Gitter Dun]

I can commit to one day now. Not sure about both. I could probably be persuaded to do both, but if folks are doing one day which day? I know Nick mentioned Sunday. I'm partial to Saturday track days because I like to relax the day after but if Nick commits to Sunday I'll sign up for that day.

I was considering both days but Saturday is for sure.

Anybody else running in the open group?

[ROBS6T8]

I'll sign up for this one. The car better be done by this time... or else! But unlike all you veterans, I'll be doing the driving school! lol I don't hink the EVOC training in the police academy would count as a track day! It would be a fun time no matter what.
Gaetano, let me know your plans about July.

[MrQuick]

Please pencil Allan and I for Saturday....I should be back from vacation by then. Maybe i'll blast the Cuda around.

2000 Camaro Z 28
1971 'Cuda

[mpozzi]

Count me in for Saturday and maybe Sunday, too. Deanna's taking the Saturday school too. I'll register tomorrow.

Mary Pozzi

[Flash68]

Is that correct that your first time to Buttonwillow w/ NCRC you have to do driving school and no timing allowed? I believe that's what I just read on the registration page... I emailed Dave @ NCRC for clarification. That would suck after just doing 2 track days of open passing and timing.

[Gitter Dun]

Please pencil Allan and I for Saturday....I should be back from vacation by then. Maybe i'll blast the Cuda around.

2000 Camaro Z 28
1971 'Cuda

Right on Vince, I was going to give you a call but it looks like you got the message.

[Gitter Dun]

Count me in for Saturday and maybe Sunday, too. Deanna's taking the Saturday school too. I'll register tomorrow.

Mary Pozzi

After a couple sessions of school you guys are gonna feel like a couple'a caged animals, LOL.

[CarlC]

Dave,

If you present your track-day pedigree you will likely be fine. If there's a question about it, ask if you can get a check-ride. Just be honest and it will work out.

Carl '68 Camaro
Jon M. '05 Z06
John M. '08 Z06
Dave '68 Camaro
Steven '68 Camaro
Chad '68 Camaro
Nick? '69 Camaro
Kyle Land Yacht
Gaetano? '69 Camaro
Larry C.? '67 Camaro
Jon R '72 Nova
John Sevilla '67 Camaro
Vince '71 Cuda
Allen '02 Camaro
Deanna '71? Camaro
Mrs. Pozzi '73 Camaro
Robert '68 Camaro

[Gitter Dun]

Is that correct that your first time to Buttonwillow w/ NCRC you have to do driving school and no timing allowed? I believe that's what I just read on the registration page... I emailed Dave @ NCRC for clarification. That would suck after just doing 2 track days of open passing and timing.



Doesn't sound right. Typically it depends on how much previous track time and experience.

[Flash68]

Ok yeah that's what I was thinking.. seems to be slightly conflicting info there. I'll see what Dave says and hope for the best.

This is already shaping up to be an impressive looking group. Can't wait.

[Gitter Dun]

I believe that the best way for us to negotiate with NCRC is going to require us to do one simple thing: Sign up NOW. Go to the website, pay, and commit. Just like any business, orders take precedence.

Good point. I'm signed up for Saturday. How many confirmed with payment so far?

[MrQuick]

Is that correct that your first time to Buttonwillow w/ NCRC you have to do driving school and no timing allowed? I believe that's what I just read on the registration page... I emailed Dave @ NCRC for clarification. That would suck after just doing 2 track days of open passing and timing.

I'll be in the school too....i've been on that track a half dozen times but I love the green group, only group I can pass. LOL


I'll set up my payment mid month...gotta do taxes first.

[dogz67chevelle]

I'll sign up for this one. The car better be done by this time... or else! But unlike all you veterans, I'll be doing the driving school! lol I don't hink the EVOC training in the police academy would count as a track day! It would be a fun time no matter what.
Gaetano, let me know your plans about July.

It's okay Robert. We will take the school, and soon we will be hounding everyone's butts big time.

Carl, I'm bringing the '71 Camaro

deanna

[CarlC]

Is it just me, or it there an overwhelming trend of GM cars in the lineup?

Someone else just has to have a non-GM/Camaro to bring......

[Gitter Dun]

Gaetano, let me know your plans about July.

Rob, it's not in the budget to take two trips down south this year. Right now I'm thinking I'm going to skip July but if things turn before then I still might go. I'll keep you posted.

I remember you mentioned you wanted your wife to ride with me. Is she going to be at the September event? Let me know, this will be more of a social event rather than a competitive gig so I want to be sure I save her a spot if she wants.

[Chad-1stGen]

Is that correct that your first time to Buttonwillow w/ NCRC you have to do driving school and no timing allowed? I believe that's what I just read on the registration page... I emailed Dave @ NCRC for clarification. That would suck after just doing 2 track days of open passing and timing.

Dave, I ran for the first time with NCRC earlier this year. Their online registriation limits you if you are brand new but you can put comments in your registration submittal which is what I did. I asked for a higher up group (with explanation of my experience) and got an email pretty quick saying I was in. No big deal.

[Flash68]

Is it just me, or it there an overwhelming trend of GM cars in the lineup?

Someone else just has to have a non-GM/Camaro to bring......

Chad and I recruiting on the Socal Terminators forum where we have met some good Mustang guys recently. They go to Willow often so it's not much further for them.


Dave, I ran for the first time with NCRC earlier this year. Their online registriation limits you if you are brand new but you can put comments in your registration submittal which is what I did. I asked for a higher up group (with explanation of my experience) and got an email pretty quick saying I was in. No big deal.

Ok cool. Once I hear back from Dave I will lock myself in. For the record, I am not opposed to instruction, it's just hard to go that far backward!

[Chad-1stGen]

I'm signed up and paid for Saturday. May add Sunday at a later date. We'll see.

[Flash68]

I'm wondering if the Drivers School put on by NCRC provides some "certificate" or something that would be valid for future RTTX west coast events? That might make it worthwhile for those of us that want to stay ahead of the coming requirements for future events...

Gaetano, Carl -- anyone know?

[Nessumsar]

How many spots are available for the school session on Saturday? I'll have to collect some funds to commit, but I don't want to wait too long to sign up.

[Ron.in.SoCal]

I remember you mentioned you wanted your wife to ride with me. Is she going to be at the September event? Let me know, this will be more of a social event rather than a competitive gig so I want to be sure I save her a spot if she wants.

Ahh-hmmm. Gae? I already bought my diapers...:)

[Gitter Dun]

Ahh-hmmm. Gae? I already bought my diapers...:)

Was wondering when you were going to chime in, got a spot saved for you buddy.

[Brakelate]

Chad and I recruiting on the Socal Terminators forum where we have met some good Mustang guys recently.

:help!:

I'm stuck in Camaroland and I can't get out!

[73z-6sp]

gbhnjmk

[CarlC]

:help!:

I'm stuck in Camaroland and I can't get out!

There's worse places to be ;-)

I think it's too early to determine the driving school requirements for future RTTX events, but likely the newbie course offered by NCRC, SV, etc. won't cut it.

Don't know Jon. You may want to contact NCRC, or check out their website. It has a system next to the event that sort of shows space availability.

Aaron, it's a driving class with classroom sessions between rounds. Sounds like there's going to be at least 3-4 from our group in the class so you will be in good company. Out of the five sessions, the first 2-3 will be ducks-in-a-row no passing. After that they will let you loose with very strict rules for passing. It's a great way to learn even though for the ducks sessions you will be itching to go faster. BTW, your parts mailed out today. The way USPS has been working lately, you may have it tomorrow.

[ROBS6T8]

It's okay Robert. We will take the school, and soon we will be hounding everyone's butts big time.

Carl, I'm bringing the '71 Camaro

deanna

Sounds good to me Deanna. I'm in! :cheers:


Rob, it's not in the budget to take two trips down south this year. Right now I'm thinking I'm going to skip July but if things turn before then I still might go. I'll keep you posted.

I remember you mentioned you wanted your wife to ride with me. Is she going to be at the September event? Let me know, this will be more of a social event rather than a competitive gig so I want to be sure I save her a spot if she wants.

Yes, she'll be going. A ride would be great. We have shift change in September so I don't know if we'll get the weekends off this time around. However, we will put in for the time off... fer sure!

This is going to be a fun time and I'm looking forward to meeting a few more peeps!
To the garage!! :twothumbs:

[73z-6sp]

fvgbhnj

[mpozzi]

I'm in ... both days.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Flash68]

I'm signed up and paid for Saturday. May add Sunday at a later date. We'll see.

Same here!

[Ron.in.SoCal]

Was wondering when you were going to chime in, got a spot saved for you buddy.

I'll be there! Car or no car, too many PT friends not to at least spectate...:)

[CarlC]

Bring your Brain Bucket Ron. You might just be able to hitch a ride during the sessions.

[6'9"Witha69]

In for Sunday. Will sign up and pay officially tomorrow.

[Flash68]

I'll be there! Car or no car, too many PT friends not to at least spectate...:)

Very cool Ron!




I think it's too early to determine the driving school requirements for future RTTX events, but likely the newbie course offered by NCRC, SV, etc. won't cut it.



Yeah I hear ya... Dave got back to me and I am in Solo group to start.


:help!:

I'm stuck in Camaroland and I can't get out!

Does that mean you and some of your boys will be joining us? :2nd:

[Larry Callahan]

Oh man! Does anyone know if there still spots available? That's my favorite track.

[Flash68]

Oh man! Does anyone know if there still spots available? That's my favorite track.

Plenty of room in all groups. Literally. Check the link and it gives you a color chart for how much room left in each group.

http://www.ncracing.org/events.php

[sik68]

Anyone planning mods or upgrades between now and then?

For me:
Hellwig Rear Bar
Ditching the GSD3's for something stickier and more predictable
Better Brake Fluid (not all DOT4's are created equal apparently)
Residual Pressure Valve

Dave, you have a trans selected yet?

[CarlC]

Anyone planning mods or upgrades between now and then?

I'm always planning mods/upgrades. Doing mods/upgrades.......

Yes, but I want to do the basics first. Check the stick for track day prep.

[CarlC]

I know it's early, but there is a method to the madness.

I need to know who has paid up and for what day(s).

[Ron.in.SoCal]

Bring your Brain Bucket Ron. You might just be able to hitch a ride during the sessions.

Carl, Snell Fire proof required?

[Nessumsar]

I know it's early, but there is a method to the madness.

I need to know who has paid up and for what day(s).

I will be paying for saturday early next month.

[Gitter Dun]

I know it's early, but there is a method to the madness.

I need to know who has paid up and for what day(s).

Paid up for Saturday.

[Flash68]

Anyone planning mods or upgrades between now and then?

For me:
Hellwig Rear Bar
Ditching the GSD3's for something stickier and more predictable
Better Brake Fluid (not all DOT4's are created equal apparently)
Residual Pressure Valve

Dave, you have a trans selected yet?

I do have a trans selected in theory and am working 2 sources right now for the best combo of price, ratios and input shaft spline count. It is a 4 speed and can be shifted clutchless. Can't wait for that.

And yes to mods planning for this event as well!

Engine oil cooler/heat exchanger
Pedal adjustment/modding for proper heel-toe
New trans and clutch disc
Safety = fire proof suit, gloves & shoes

Depending on $ maybe a fire suppression system


I know it's early, but there is a method to the madness.

I need to know who has paid up and for what day(s).

I have paid for Saturday and am hoping to pay for Sunday soon once I feel like I can lock in the 2nd day.

[mpozzi]

Paid for both days ...

Mary Pozzi

[sik68]

Paid Saturday & Sunday.

Sounds good on the upgrades Dave!

[dogz67chevelle]

I'm in for Sunday too now, unless I screw up in the school on Saturday...

deanna

[CarlC]

Carl, Snell Fire proof required?

Quote from the NCRC website:

"•Snell 00 or newer helmet. Legal helmets include Snell SA00, M00, K00, SA2000, M2000. Helmets showing any damage or missing a Snell sticker will not be approved."

[73z-6sp]

ujikolp;

[Flash68]

Is the Motel 6 or the Super 8 the preferred lodge for this?

[Gitter Dun]

Theres two motel 6's on the same street, ones in the middle and the other at the end. The middle motel 6 is the better one. I've never stayed at the Super 8.

Sevilla and I will be staying at the middle motel 6 because it has a grassy area in the back where we usually set up some lounge chairs, kick back, listen to tunes, and throw down a few.

[Flash68]

Theres two motel 6's on the same street, ones in the middle and the other at the end. The middle motel 6 is the better one. I've never stayed at the Super 8.

Sevilla and I will be staying at the middle motel 6 because it has a grassy area in the back where we usually set up some lounge chairs, kick back, listen to tunes, and throw down a few.

Maybe you can confirm if this Motel 6 linked on NCRC's website is the correct one.... then we can get as many guys staying at the same place as possible for the after hours festivities. :)

http://www.motel6.com/reservations/motel_detail.aspx?num=1354&NOA=&aYr=&aMo=&aDa=&dYr=&dMo=&dDa=&CP=&TA=

Also, I am officially paid and registered for both days now.

[Nessumsar]

I should know by this week wether or not I can make it; waiting to hear back from work about a trip I may be on that week/end. :fingersx:

[Gitter Dun]

Maybe you can confirm if this Motel 6 linked on NCRC's website is the correct one.... then we can get as many guys staying at the same place as possible for the after hours festivities. :)

http://www.motel6.com/reservations/motel_detail.aspx?num=1354&NOA=&aYr=&aMo=&aDa=&dYr=&dMo=&dDa=&CP=&TA=

Also, I am officially paid and registered for both days now.


The number to Motel 6 Central is 661-764-5121.

[Flash68]

I should know by this week wether or not I can make it; waiting to hear back from work about a trip I may be on that week/end. :fingersx:

Make it happen Jon!


The number to Motel 6 Central is 661-764-5121.

Ok that one is a half mile down the road from the other Motel 6 and is DOUBLE the price. The pics look pretty darn similar in quality too. Huh?

[Gitter Dun]

Ok that one is a half mile down the road from the other Motel 6 and is DOUBLE the price. The pics look pretty darn similar in quality too. Huh?

More like a 1/4 mile. Just ask them for a Speed venture discount even though we will be with NCRC. Should work. We usually get there around 4:00 p.m. and then get some dinner. Either way, all I can picture right now is kickin back in the back of the central 6 and throwing down some brews till about 2:00 a.m., lol.

[SIK02SS]

Mark me tentative, I may be racing else where that weekend...

[73z-6sp]

gbhnjmk

[Flash68]

More like a 1/4 mile. Just ask them for a Speed venture discount even though we will be with NCRC. Should work. We usually get there around 4:00 p.m. and then get some dinner. Either way, all I can picture right now is kickin back in the back of the central 6 and throwing down some brews till about 2:00 a.m., lol.

Ok I am in for Motel 6 CENTRAL. The SpeedVenture discount is VERY healthy let's just say... :)

[-The Stig-]

*grumble*... all these track days and no car to take... *grumble*

One of these days... one of these days... :P

[SIK02SS]

Take the G8, with the username -The Stig- you should be able to drive anything :P

[mdprovee]

Damn, I want to go to this, sounds like fun. I need to figure out a temporary harness bar or roll bar so I can have a 4 point harness.

[Nessumsar]

Does the NCRC frown on 5-point harnesses with no harness/roll bar? I know they *should* frown on it, but do they? Wouldn't want to show up and not be able to run because of them.

[Gitter Dun]

Any organization is going to frown on a modification done incorrectly. If you still have stock seat belts you are legal.(At least in point by group as far as I know) If you begin a modification, you need to complete that modification.

[Flash68]

Damn, I want to go to this, sounds like fun. I need to figure out a temporary harness bar or roll bar so I can have a 4 point harness.

Would be great if you can make it Mike.


Does the NCRC frown on 5-point harnesses with no harness/roll bar? I know they *should* frown on it, but do they? Wouldn't want to show up and not be able to run because of them.

FWIW here is NCRC's tech form: http://www.ncracing.org/docs/tech.pdf

[sik68]

NCRC is self tech. That said, don't cut corners as it can come back to bite.

[Gitter Dun]

As far as safety goes, you guys really need to use your heads. Self tech is an easy way in/out(however you want to look at it) but dont fool yourselves and take short cuts. Also, it would be nice for those of you using radiator coolant in your cars to switch to straight water with a bottle of water wetter. If any of you guys overheat, spilling radiator fluid on the track will make it very slippery. In addition, bring or borrow a torque wrench and re-torque your wheels before every session!!

Point by group is typically pretty mellow and there will be down load sessions(meetings) after every session to discuss your on track experience and any potential morons that may not be following the rules. I know it's kind of nerve racking for you guys that have not had alot of track time but realize there will be alot of others standing in your shoes, and I mean alot!!

I typically run open group and have already offered up a few rides but I have made alot of recent changes to my car so I will probably run the first two sessions solo just to be sure she's still handling the same and hopefully better rather than worse then before.

[Vegas69]

See you boys there.....

[bosses son]

Are we getting a group rate of free timing?

[Flash68]

See you boys there.....

I knew you couldn't resist.

[CarlC]

See you boys there.....

'bout time you man'ed up.

[CarlC]

Here's a sticky that may be helpful.

https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?8701-Track-Day-Prep.

No double rooms left as of this afternoon. $45 for a single queen near the freeway with the SV discount.

I rented a garage, #8, at Buttonwillow. They have compressed air and benches. The last one I had also had a resident scorpion that I permanently removed.

[sik68]

I think this has become RTTC 2.5

BTW I got a really good deal at the Coleman 6....

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/07/Coleman28229-1.jpg

[CarlC]

If the tent's a rockin'.....

Here's the latest list:

Signed up:
CarlC - '68 Camaro
John M. - '08 Z06
Dave - '68 Camaro
Steven - '68 Camaro
Chad - '68 Camaro
Nick - '69 Camaro
Kyle - '57 Nimble Land Barge
Gaetano - '69 Camaro
John Sevilla - '67 Camaro
Alan - 2000 Z28
Mr. Quick - '71 Cuda
Mrs. Pozzi - '73 Camaro
Deanna - '72 Camaro
Aaron - '73 Camaro
Todd A - '69 Camaro

Tentative:
Larry C - '67 Camaro
Jon R - '72 Nova
SIK02SS - ?
Mike - '67 Camaro

That's 15 paid and four on deck.

Who did I miss?

[Gitter Dun]

See you boys there.....

Oh Oh, not the Akemeister.........God help us all!!

Just kiddin' bro, glad to hear your going to make it.

[Gitter Dun]

Are we getting a group rate of free timing?

Kyle, you running open group?

[sevillaz28]

I'm in for sure. This should be fun. I my just bring a BBQ and some food, ya know, marinade some Tri Tip, Potato salad Garlic bread stuff like that. The Camaro has gone through some serious changes and needs to be broken in befor the track. See you guys there.

[mpozzi]

As of now, we're bringing the motorhome towing Deanna's Camaro and lets plan on a BBQ for Saturday night. We've got a 'fridge to keep stuff cool and the more the merrier. Bring folding chairs, too. We'll be traveling down very late Friday night and will get to the track at 7am on Saturday.

Mary Pozzi

[CarlC]

Does Buttonwillow let people camp/motorhome overnight at the track?

[bosses son]

Does Buttonwillow let people camp/motorhome overnight at the track?
yes they do, they have a guard at the front gate all night. I think we will be bringing our motorhome on friday night as well. I dont think they charge for dry camping or tenting it.

I will be running point by and see if i can move up from there.

[Flash68]

I rented a garage, #8, at Buttonwillow. They have compressed air and benches. The last one I had also had a resident scorpion that I permanently removed.

Carl, where did you go to do this? Just call the track? I didn't see any info on the Buttonwillow website...

[Nessumsar]

Ok, so, what is everyone signed up for? School? Open?

I will be in Vegas that week on business, getting back home Friday night; then hopefully, heading to Buttonwillow Saturday Morning. :fingersx:

[Gitter Dun]

If more people dont sign up for open class I may run point by for a couple of sessions but I've been down that route before. Point by to me is more challenging than open due to the amount of unexperienced drivers in that group. Lets just say you need to pay a bit more attention to what the other driver is doing.

[Chad-1stGen]

If you havent run with NCRC before they will place you in a group based on the track experience you indicate on your application.

[Gitter Dun]

If you havent run with NCRC before they will place you in a group based on the track experience you indicate on your application.

I signed up for open but I think I'm the only one. Oh well, maybe if someone has a decent cam corder I could vid you guys.

[Flash68]

Solo is almost full for both days (1-7 days track experience) FYI.

[Chad-1stGen]

I signed up for open but I think I'm the only one. Oh well, maybe if someone has a decent cam corder I could vid you guys.

Gaetano not everyone is a bad ass like you! haha

[Gitter Dun]

Gaetano not everyone is a bad ass like you! haha

Great.....just what I wanted to hear. I had a feeling that something like that was going to come from someone.

Now get your butt back to getting that car ready!!

[Nessumsar]

Checking out their site, it says that the school group gets 2 sessions on track, and the other 3 sessions are held in calssroom?

If that is the case, I may try for one of the other groups. Anyone confirm this?

[Gitter Dun]

Checking out their site, it says that the school group gets 2 sessions on track, and the other 3 sessions are held in calssroom?

If that is the case, I may try for one of the other groups. Anyone confirm this?

I would do point by if I were you. Even after a couple of sessions of point by its easy to feel comfortable enough for open group.

[Nessumsar]

I'll see about getting into Solo the first time around.

Really hoping this all falls into place! :fingersx:

[Gitter Dun]

Dude, your going to love it but your wallet will make you wish you never even got started.

[luc]

Checking out their site, it says that the school group gets 2 sessions on track, and the other 3 sessions are held in calssroom?

If that is the case, I may try for one of the other groups. Anyone confirm this?

Jon;

Like every other run group,t he school has 5 track sessions but is designed for first timer with on-track excercises ( first 3 sessions only) and 3 classrooms.

Luc. NCRC

[Nessumsar]

Jon;

Like every other run group,t he school has 5 track sessions but is designed for first timer with on-track excercises ( first 3 sessions only) and 3 classrooms.

Luc. NCRC

Luc, thanks for that.

[bosses son]

I took the class my first time running with NCRC. The first session was a "ducks in a row" around the track to learn the line. Second session was passing. Third was flags, fourth and fifth were normal open track sessions. If you have not attended a track day this is a great class. The instructors know their stuff, and the fast way around the track.

[Flash68]

I would do point by if I were you. Even after a couple of sessions of point by its easy to feel comfortable enough for open group.

I think you meant Solo. Solo is the next level above the Drivers School and Dave@NCRC said I have to get a check-ride in order to get into Point-By, which I hope to do.

[Flash68]

I took the class my first time running with NCRC. The first session was a "ducks in a row" around the track to learn the line. Second session was passing. Third was flags, fourth and fifth were normal open track sessions. If you have not attended a track day this is a great class. The instructors know their stuff, and the fast way around the track.

Kyle, how many days under your belt at BW?

[bosses son]

Kyle, how many days under your belt at BW?

5ish? enough to know i still really dont know the best way around the track haha........

[bosses son]

I think you meant Solo. Solo is the next level above the Drivers School and Dave@NCRC said I have to get a check-ride in order to get into Point-By, which I hope to do.
you should be fine in point by, you have the speed. I dont think you will have a problem getting bumped up.

[Gitter Dun]

I think you meant Solo. Solo is the next level about the Drivers School and Dave said I have to get a check-ride in order to get into Point-By.

I think solo is point by with passing in the straights only and point by is a point by anywhere. Either way it will be a great experience for all and an opportunity to find your comfort zone.

Now that i think about it open class is best for tires with tread wear at 100 or less so hopefully you guys should be in good shape.

I just hope to bring my car back the same as it arrives. I always get a little nervous after making changes. The turn in with the vette wheels up front is way faster and the grip of the 315's in the rear twists the car up a bit. I'm still working on dialing it in and am going to rebuild the front end for this event....new ball joints, tie rod ends, and new lower control arms.(replacing the stock lowers with tubulars) Then I'm going to spend a little time adjusting the watts link. Going to try and drop the pivot a couple notches to see if I can loose the torque twist.

If the car continues to twist I'll be going back to the 275's in the rear.

[sevillaz28]

I'm going to run Solo then getting bumped to open so I can chase Gaetano around for a little bit. Thats if I don't break anything again.

[Gitter Dun]

I'm going to run Solo then getting bumped to open so I can chase Gaetano around for a little bit. Thats if I don't break anything again.

I'll bring a chain and hook it to your car so that you can keep up, LOL

[Vegas69]

I only have 4 road races under my belt so they are starting me in solo. I'll be up bouncing my front bumper off Gaetano by the end of the day. Ha Ha Ha

[Gitter Dun]

I only have 4 road races under my belt so they are starting me in solo. I'll be up bouncing my front bumper off Gaetano by the end of the day. Ha Ha Ha

LOL, i hope thats the case cause i dont think I have a chain strong enough to tow that boat. HA HA

[Vegas69]

Good one! ha ha

[ROBS6T8]

I think solo is point by with passing in the straights only and point by is a point by anywhere. Either way it will be a great experience for all and an opportunity to find your comfort zone.

Now that i think about it open class is best for tires with tread wear at 100 or less so hopefully you guys should be in good shape.

I just hope to bring my car back the same as it arrives. I always get a little nervous after making changes. The turn in with the vette wheels up front is way faster and the grip of the 315's in the rear twists the car up a bit. I'm still working on dialing it in and am going to rebuild the front end for this event....new ball joints, tie rod ends, and new lower control arms.(replacing the stock lowers with tubulars) Then I'm going to spend a little time adjusting the watts link. Going to try and drop the pivot a couple notches to see if I can loose the torque twist.

If the car continues to twist I'll be going back to the 275's in the rear.

I'm glad my wife doesn't read these! I think she would be out for that ride. :)

[Gitter Dun]

Seriously though, Newmans the guy to beat. He got me by just over one second on NT05's.

I think he's running point by just to post some passing video, LOL

[Gitter Dun]

I'm glad my wife doesn't read these! I think she would be out for that ride. :)

No worries Rob. I just need to ride the first couple sessions solo to be sure she's not driving weird. You've been In the car with me before and know I dont hold back. I just want to be sure she's safe before giving rides.

[Flash68]

I only have 4 road races under my belt so they are starting me in solo.

I was hoping you'd be in my group. Careful, I don't really like to follow these elementary "passing" rules. Ha Ha Ha

[CarlC]

Carl, where did you go to do this? Just call the track? I didn't see any info on the Buttonwillow website...

Just call the general number for the track and tell them you want to rent a garage. #7 is the one next to mine. As of yesterday I was the only tenant out of four spaces.

[bosses son]

Seriously though, Newmans the guy to beat. He got me by just over one second on NT05's.

I think he's running point by just to post some passing video, LOL

i will more than likely bump up after a session or two, and just for the record passing vids are sweet!

[mpozzi]

No passengers for me as I clearly remember some cheese that was lunch that didn't stay lunch ... not in my car but in a friend's ZO6. He had to sell the car.

Now ... need to find some Toyo's.

Mary Pozzi

[mpozzi]

And no ... it wasn't me that did the deed.

Mary P.

[Gitter Dun]

i will more than likely bump up after a session or two, and just for the record passing vids are sweet!

Yeah they are cool to watch. I've never gotten any decent in car video from the inside of my car cause I couldn't(until just recently) get my GoPro to vid correctly. Found out I was using the wrong SD card. I finally got a good video last week. Attatched the GoPro underneath my car to get a vid of the watts link while I was driving. Vid came out great but I didn't have the patience to upload it for three hours. If theres still room in point by I may just have to join you.

[Vegas69]

I was hoping you'd be in my group. Careful, I don't really like to follow these elementary "passing" rules. Ha Ha Ha

I don't think we'll be in elementary school long.... ha ha

[CarlC]

I don't think we'll be in elementary school long.... ha ha

You ready for some schoolin'?

[bosses son]

I hope there will be a class on "Miata Mashing"...... School is in session!!!!!!

[Gitter Dun]

I hope there will be a class on "Miata Mashing"...... School is in session!!!!!!

Here's some "Miata Mashing" pics for ya!!

Before

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/07/VP__32091-1.jpg

After

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/07/VP__32831-1.jpg

[Nessumsar]

Good stuff Gae!

[Gitter Dun]

Good stuff Gae!

Thanks Bro!!

[Vegas69]

You ready for some schoolin'?

Right after a shake and bake Gaetano, I'll be glad to school you on what a real Chevrolet sounds like. ha ha Make sure you wear some ear plugs.

[Jeff70]

Wow...this is gonna be a large attendance of PT cars.
Im planning to run down to be a spectator on Saturday, anyone willing to give rides? I have my own brain bucket.

Jeff

[Gitter Dun]

Right after a shake and bake Gaetano, I'll be glad to school you on what a real Chevrolet sounds like. ha ha Make sure you wear some ear plugs.

Now that you mention it, I'm lookin' forward to hearing that big block bad boy roar!!

We need to find someone with a decent cam corder that will pick you up hammering down the straight. I'll talk to Vince and see if we can use his. He got some decent image and sound vid of me last time we were out.

If yours is louder than mine I'm taking a saw-zall to my mufflers

[Flash68]

Speaking of noise.... I was already considering installing cut outs. :)

[sik68]

I run dumps, and my muflers are on a slip fit. I have no problem running it loud for a session or 2!

[Gitter Dun]

I run dumps, and my muflers are on a slip fit. I have no problem running it loud for a session or 2!


Pretty sure we still need to meet db levels guys. IIRC Buttonwillow max db is 104 but I seriously dont think they enforce it. Hell, the closest motel is 10 miles away.

[Nessumsar]

Hmm, its only six bolts to remove my entire exhaust....

[79-TA]

I'm looking at bringing the fox body out to this one. It's just a matter of how quickly I can get its round of upgrades finished this summer (SN95 brakes etc.)

[Chad-1stGen]

Pretty sure we still need to meet db levels guys. IIRC Buttonwillow max db is 104 but I seriously dont think they enforce it. Hell, the closest motel is 10 miles away.

I didn't know they had a db limit. I've seen some insanely loud cars out there. More than a few straigt piped hondas that will blow your ear drums while still managing to sound terrible ha ha

[sevillaz28]

Pretty sure we still need to meet db levels guys. IIRC Buttonwillow max db is 104 but I seriously dont think they enforce it. Hell, the closest motel is 10 miles away.

If that was the case, both of us would have gotten in trouble last time we were out there. Laguna is the only sound regulated track closest to us and I think its a ridiculous 92db tested at 100ft under full power. My cars louder then your car, Nan'na Nan'na

[Gitter Dun]

If that was the case, both of us would have gotten in trouble last time we were out there. Laguna is the only sound regulated track closest to us and I think its a ridiculous 92db tested at 100ft under full power. My cars louder then your car, Nan'na Nan'na


Actually Infineon and Thunderhill are also regulated. I wouldn't know if your car was louder than mine. You never got close enough for me to even here it. HA HA HA

[Chad-1stGen]

Actually Infineon and Thunderhill are also regulated. I wouldn't know if your car was louder than mine. You never got close enough for me to even here it. HA HA HA

oooo BURN

[sevillaz28]

Well, lets see if you can keep your car running this time and we will see about that. I'm in your group now.

[Gitter Dun]

Well, lets see if you can keep your car running this time and we will see about that. I'm in your group now.

Ambition is a good attribute............But if I remember correctly, it was your car that couldn't make all 5 sessions at Butttonwillow last year, LOL

[6'9"Witha69]

Oh snap!!

[Flash68]

Just call the general number for the track and tell them you want to rent a garage. #7 is the one next to mine. As of yesterday I was the only tenant out of four spaces.

Got Garage #8 locked down. The G-man and I will be in it stealing your and Todd's "speed secrets."

[Gitter Dun]

got garage #8 locked down. The g-man and i will be in it stealing your and todd's "speed secrets."


heeeh heeh heeh.............:naughty:

[sik68]

I'm glad you guys will have nice places to work on your cars that weekend. I'll come help out in between sessions.

[ROBS6T8]

Ambition is a good attribute............But if I remember correctly, it was your car that couldn't make all 5 sessions at Butttonwillow last year, LOL

True, very true, but at least he had a car for part of the day! More than I can say.

[CarlC]

Got Garage #8 locked down. The G-man and I will be in it stealing your and Todd's "speed secrets."

Might want to re-check that. I'm re-confirmed for #8 on Sept. 17-18.

[Flash68]

Might want to re-check that. I'm re-confirmed for #8 on Sept. 17-18.

My bad. I'm in #7. Lucky #7, that is.

[Nick.V70]

Thanks Dave for sending me this link, I am pretty sure I do not have anything this weekend and I would love to come down and check things out. I still need to put some hp under my hood unless anyone thinks I could have some fun with a stock 307 sbc then I will leave the car home and just come to hang out.

[Chad-1stGen]

Thanks Dave for sending me this link, I am pretty sure I do not have anything this weekend and I would love to come down and check things out. I still need to put some hp under my hood unless anyone thinks I could have some fun with a stock 307 sbc then I will leave the car home and just come to hang out.

Dude you can have plenty of fun with your 307. You don't have to ha e huge hp to have a great time at the track. Especially a track like Buttonwillow.

[73z-6sp]

hbnjmk

[Gitter Dun]

Thanks Dave for sending me this link, I am pretty sure I do not have anything this weekend and I would love to come down and check things out. I still need to put some hp under my hood unless anyone thinks I could have some fun with a stock 307 sbc then I will leave the car home and just come to hang out.

If you have thrown suspension components in your car you may as well bring it out. There will be alot of us there to help you out.

I say bring the car and give her a whirl!!

[Gitter Dun]

Come to find out I had a worn upper ball joint on one side and a worn lower on the other. I was running stock lower control arms forever and decided to finally order the tubular Global West lowers. In addition I ordered new upper ball joints.

After rapping up a little project I had to do I will finally have time to install my new parts tomorrow. Then it's back to the alignment shop to double check.

It never ends, LOL

[Flash68]

Thanks Dave for sending me this link, I am pretty sure I do not have anything this weekend and I would love to come down and check things out. I still need to put some hp under my hood unless anyone thinks I could have some fun with a stock 307 sbc then I will leave the car home and just come to hang out.

Yeah Nick that'd be great if you joined us. All kinds of power levels will be there. But if you don't bring your car, there will be plenty of social time at the track and hotel!


Dude you can have plenty of fun with your 307. You don't have to ha e huge hp to have a great time at the track. Especially a track like Buttonwillow.


If you have thrown suspension components in your car you may as well bring it out. There will be alot of us there to help you out.

I say bring the car and give her a whirl!!

Yes, what they said!

[Nick.V70]

Dude you can have plenty of fun with your 307. You don't have to ha e huge hp to have a great time at the track. Especially a track like Buttonwillow.



Im gonna need someone slower than me even if it is because they are underpowered! ;)


If you have thrown suspension components in your car you may as well bring it out. There will be alot of us there to help you out.

I say bring the car and give her a whirl!!


Yeah Nick that'd be great if you joined us. All kinds of power levels will be there. But if you don't bring your car, there will be plenty of social time at the track and hotel!

Yes, what they said!

Serious stock as in 307 with a 2 barrel, wait I have dual flow masters so I guess I have a chance haha...

I pretty much figure that at least with the suspension I would be able to not get myself into trouble with the power I have but really I have not been to one of these events but I have be involved in many other forms of racing and on a track with a under powered car vs a guy having power looking to stay in his grove was the part I was not sure of, as in how many cars at a time and classes they group together. I haven't looked into it much. I am geared for a 5 speed right now and still running the T350 3speed so she revs pretty good that little 307 spins being nice and loose. I have been driving her on the highway at easy 75-80mph and she has not skipped a beat. If you guys really think I could get my feet wet on the track and not be in the way I have never been to Buttonwillow. Not sure of the minimum class safety requirements to know if my car would pass tech for where I would be placed in class. I have a helmet, regular lap belt, do they require 5 point harness?

[Nick.V70]

What kinda speeds are you guys seeing on a track like this?

[CarlC]

Nick, it is much easier and safer to learn with an underpowered vs. an overpowered car. No worries about getting passed, etc. Everybody gets passed. One must put their ego aside when getting behind the wheel of a fun event. That is part of learning track etiquette.

Track speeds are fully dependant on three things: 1) Corner exit speeds, 2) The power under the hood, 3) The size of your cojones. If you're not comfortable, let off the gas. Nobody will belittle you for being safe as long as you practice proper track etiquette. If someone does, they will get a beatdown from the staff and fellow drivers.

I highly suggest bringing the car and participating. It is not often that we get a group this large at an event like this, so there will be plenty of driving, socializing, and support if needed.

[Nick.V70]

Nick, it is much easier and safer to learn with an underpowered vs. an overpowered car. No worries about getting passed, etc. Everybody gets passed. One must put their ego aside when getting behind the wheel of a fun event. That is part of learning track etiquette.

Track speeds are fully dependant on three things: 1) Corner exit speeds, 2) The power under the hood, 3) The size of your cojones. If you're not comfortable, let off the gas. Nobody will belittle you for being safe as long as you practice proper track etiquette. If someone does, they will get a beatdown from the staff and fellow drivers.

I highly suggest bringing the car and participating. It is not often that we get a group this large at an event like this, so there will be plenty of driving, socializing, and support if needed.


Great!! I kinda like the point of less hp will help me learn faster, makes since 100%.

I am drawn to this sport as I can see even though we all have a competitive side the sport is much more than winner as in position but much more a friendly group of car lovers that at the end of the day its about not breaking and having a good time with your car and other friends. You don't find that much in many other forms of racing.

So what about the class tech requirements that I would have to need? Sorry I have not spent anytime looking any of that up because I really had not planned on having my car at a track day.

[CarlC]

You're right on point. For example, Todd and I poke at each other on the forum as a friendly rivalry, but once we're on the track it's a different deal. At the end of the day everyone wants to go home with the car and themselves in one piece.

We are not racing. We are not racing. We are not racing.......

We are all about having fun.

If you are going try to get signed up soon. The classes are filling up fast. NCRC sent an email the other day stating that the groups are filling up due to a large PT group attending :-)

Here's the NCRC tech form.

http://www.ncracing.org/docs/tech.pdf

If you have more questions please throw them out here so that everyone can learn. It's a lot easier to deal with them early than at the track.

[Nessumsar]

Paid for Saturday!

Now to get the car ready and firgure out how to get it up there!

[mpozzi]

Might have to bow out so if someone wants my two days of Point-By, let me know.

Mary Pozzi

[73z-6sp]

gbhnjmk

[Gitter Dun]

You're right on point. For example, Todd and I poke at each other on the forum as a friendly rivalry, but once we're on the track it's a different deal. At the end of the day everyone wants to go home with the car and themselves in one piece.

We are not racing. We are not racing. We are not racing.......

We are all about having fun.

If you are going try to get signed up soon. The classes are filling up fast. NCRC sent an email the other day stating that the groups are filling up due to a large PT group attending :-)

Here's the NCRC tech form.

http://www.ncracing.org/docs/tech.pdf

If you have more questions please throw them out here so that everyone can learn. It's a lot easier to deal with them early than at the track.

Well put Carl. We dont want to be racing each other period!!

I think the best way I like to put it is that you race the track to better your lap times. Build your skills and work on maybe one or two corners at a time. Respect all others driving around you.

Hope you make it out, looking forward to the beers, barbeque, and bench racing afterwards!!

[Gitter Dun]

Might have to bow out so if someone wants my two days of Point-By, let me know.

Mary Pozzi

Well that sucks!!, I was lookin' forward to throwin down some cold ones with you guy's.

[Chad-1stGen]

I'm very doubtful that my car will be ready in time for this. I give myself about a 0 out of 100 chance. However, I found out it will cost me $49 to cancel or $15 to transfer. So if anyone wants my seat let me know. Otherwise I may have to bring the the wife's 4 door civic LX and show you guys how to really haul the mail!!

[Flash68]

Dammit... they're dropping like flies.

[mpozzi]

Haven't pulled the plug yet and if I get the Players car ready, I'll bring that. I'll be the slowest one out there so you all can wave as you go by.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Gitter Dun]

Haven't pulled the plug yet and if I get the Players car ready, I'll bring that. I'll be the slowest one out there so you all can wave as you go by.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

Oh, C'mon now.....this isn't going to be about the fastest car,,,,, this will be more about the beer drinking, barbeque , and bench racing.

C'mon Mary, you have to come out. Hell, Ill even let you take my car out for a whirl!!

[Vegas69]

I agree, it's all about having a good time and giving each other a little hell. Out running a few buddies is just extra ammunition.

[MrQuick]

I don't know, you guys all talk cozy but once them helmets go its a different story. LOL

Mary, you gotta go. Im sure you can scrape something up.

[79-TA]

Haven't pulled the plug yet and if I get the Players car ready, I'll bring that. I'll be the slowest one out there so you all can wave as you go by.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

Oh please, I'll be out there with what is essentially a bone stock '87 Mustang GT (I have better brakes, decent tires.)

[Nessumsar]

I'm very doubtful that my car will be ready in time for this. I give myself about a 0 out of 100 chance. However, I found out it will cost me $49 to cancel or $15 to transfer. So if anyone wants my seat let me know. Otherwise I may have to bring the the wife's 4 door civic LX and show you guys how to really haul the mail!!

How much does Hertz charge for a new v6 Mustang?


Haven't pulled the plug yet and if I get the Players car ready, I'll bring that. I'll be the slowest one out there so you all can wave as you go by.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

I don't know Mary, you in what used to be a dedicated track car? Doesn't sound slow to me.

[Chad-1stGen]

How much does Hertz charge for a new v6 Mustang?


ha ha ha I started thinking the same thing last night. Just not sure if I want that liability unless their extra insurance covers it.

[Nessumsar]

I'll have a truck and trailer, we can tow it out onto the street if need be...:ssst:

[79-TA]

Just make sure you get a 2011+ V6 Mustang and avoid the previous lame-sauce 210 HP V6. Rental companies usually have cars from the three most current model years.

The Hertz "Adrenaline" collection offers a Challenger RT, a Camaro SS, and a new 5.0 Mustang.

The 5.0 is $130 a day, but I don't know what fees or taxes they tack on after that.

[sevillaz28]

Hey All. Here is an FYI for you that NCRC has posted just in case you didn't read it.

Starting with September 7 at Thunderhill, we're instituting a new process for Solo group drivers. In addition to the regular driver's meeting, there will be a mandatory meeting after the first track session for discussion of passing and other rules. Solo drivers will receive a temporary tech sticker for their first track session, and the full-day tech sticker at this meeting. Drivers who do not attend this mandatory meeting will not get on the track for subsequent sessions. The intent of this meeting is to address common complaints from the group, typically regarding passing and pointing drivers by.

Hell, I may just rent a 5.0 and beat on a Ford for the day. I wonder what the Insurance is???

[79-TA]

^It seems super affordable. But compared to what other companies rent normal V6 Mustangs for (about the same), it seems like there must be some onslaught of fees they tack on.

[SIK02SS]

Make sure to read rental car contract thoroughly. I believe it's Budget who has a policy about not covering things within x-amount feet from a race track etc and given how easy it is to navigate the internet, it's pretty easy for the insurance co's to find out where you were

and if i make it i'll most likely be in my '02 Camaro SS

[Chad-1stGen]

What kinda speeds are you guys seeing on a track like this?

Meant to throw up an answer for this before. Like anything in life it depends. However, to give you a reference point my ZZ4 powered Camaro (355 hp 405 tq) hits speeds around the track as follows:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/23346894036_large-1.jpg

And as usual I use any chance I can to relive the glory and share a track video. This is a single lap at buttonwillow which has speeds shown on the video. The video is shaky mostly due to the camera phone setup I using to record rather than the track or car.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGwdcnw7e1Q

[CarlC]

Chad,

Seems that the Corvette was a bit wobbly and should have let you pass several times unless there were specific no-pass instructions.

Can you please comment since this would be a good for new people to learn the basics of track etiquette?

[Nessumsar]

Got the LAST two-bed room at Motel 6 Central. If you haven't made reservations yet, I strongly recommend you do so soon.

We'll be leaving EARLY Saturday morning from the Long Beach area, so if anyone would like to caravan up there please let me know; we will towing to Nova so speeds will be limited to 55-60 FYI.

[Chad-1stGen]

Chad,

Seems that the Corvette was a bit wobbly and should have let you pass several times unless there were specific no-pass instructions.

Can you please comment since this would be a good for new people to learn the basics of track etiquette?

I was running in a group with "point by" passing only, which is how *most* track organizers handle passing. This means that you are not to pass the car in front of you with out a clear point by signal from the driver. A clear signal is usually a straight left arm out the window to the left indicating to pass on the left or pointing to the right over the roof to pass on the right.

Point by passing was only allowed in the "straights" that day. The vette did take a while to let me by. General rule of thumb is if there is a car in your rear view mirror he's faster than you and let them by. Interesting to note that on that same day the vette gave me point by's in the corner. I could of safely passed but chose to follow the rules and waited for a straight.

[CarlC]

I had similar observations. The driver should have made a clear and concise gesture for the pass, not just a finger over the door. It gives the aft driver clear knowledge of the intent.

It is always better to wait than to take a chance in the no-pass zone. The wrath of the organizers will come down, and bent metal is never fun.

[Gitter Dun]

Did a tune day at Thunderhill yesterday. 1st session car drove like a bus. Did point by's in advanced group for 5 laps and finally got frustrated and brought it in to the paddock. First run was with 210 lb buddy in passenger seat but his weight certainly wasn't the issue. 2nd session I drove by myself but things certainly were not better. I got lucky and parked next to a fully equipped tractor trailor pulled race car team that helped me re-adjust toe and camber. We had to custom make shims to even out the camber. I missed two sessions working on the car but the last session definitely showed impovement. I still need to add more negative camber and the new Global West lower control arms raised the front of the car another 1 1/4". Definitely felt it at the end of the straight at close to 140 mph.

Going to make some adjustments and hit one more track day before Buttonwillow.

The Vette wheels with 2" spacers and Global West lower control arms certainly changed feel of the car quite a bit up front but the watts link is dialed and did its job well.

If I get time I'll post vids. Big difference from first run to last.

[ROBS6T8]

Very nice Gaetano. Nice to see the improvements working for you. Shocked about the height being rasied. Waiting for the vids.

[Gitter Dun]

Very nice Gaetano. Nice to see the improvements working for you. Shocked about the height being rasied. Waiting for the vids.

I was a little surprised about the height change also. I'm pretty sure it had to do with the poly spring base that came with the lower arms but I will confirm that hopefully sometime this week. After rechecking height tonight it looks like they may have compressed a bit but I am typically 23 1/2" from floor to fender lip and now I have 24 1/2" on passenger side and 24" on driver side.

I also think the 2" spacers and vette wheels up front are putting to much pressure on the spindle, hub, and bearings. With the Torque Thrusts I felt like I could throw the car around with confidence. Now it definitley doesn't feel as comfortable in the corners up front as it did before. Its not that it's not sticking, it just feels like it's working harder which is taking away from my confidence level to push harder.

Might be time to throw the Torque Thrusts back on. At least up front anyways.

[Gitter Dun]

Chopped the springs, dropped the front, and now she looks like she is wear she needs to be. Just need to swap the Toyo's back on to the Torque Thrusts, change engine and trans fluids, and I should be ready for Buttonwillow.

So who all left is still going?

I know Chads out, Mary is a possible, and Dave G is working on getting his trans back in. Any others to add/pulling out/spectating?

Carl C
Jon M
John M
Steven
Kyle N
John R
Dave G
Mary P
Deanna
Allan
Vince
BrakeLate
Aaron
Nick R for Sunday
Todd A
Brett H
Larry C
Robs68
Chris R

I forget anyone?

[sik68]

I forget anyone?

Yourself :wedgie:

[SIK02SS]

Still on the fence...small chance i'm racing that weekend

[CarlC]

I believe that Saturday point-by is full. My friend Jon M. tried but is on the waiting list but is in for Sunday.

What a group! We're looking at near 20 drivers for this event.

[ROBS6T8]

The wife and I still need the day off! We're working weekends now... oh joy. We'll be there with or without car. I keep biting off more than I can chew.

[Gitter Dun]

Yourself :wedgie:

Oh yeah.........Thanks!!


Still on the fence...small chance i'm racing that weekend

C'mon Chris, you gota got to this one. Were at about twenty cars. Get your dad to go!!


I believe that Saturday point-by is full. My friend Jon M. tried but is on the waiting list but is in for Sunday.

What a group! We're looking at near 20 drivers for this event.

I think the barbeque, beer drinking, and bench racing are going to be the funnest part. Any word from Larry C or confirmation from Mary?


The wife and I still need the day off! We're working weekends now... oh joy. We'll be there with or without car. I keep biting off more than I can chew.

Good luck Rob, I'll keep a ride open to your wife if you guys make it.

[mpozzi]

I'm still in and hope to get Dave to drive the motorhome down for the weekend.

Might be bringing two cars, too.

Mary P.

[Gitter Dun]

I'm still in and hope to get Dave to drive the motorhome down for the weekend.

Might be bringing two cars, too.

Mary P.

Awesome!! I'm At Motel 6 Central for Friday night and should arrive around 4:00 p.m. on Friday. Saturday night I most likely will be camping out at the track.

Anyone else camping out Saturday night?

[Chad-1stGen]

I believe that Saturday point-by is full. My friend Jon M. tried but is on the waiting list but is in for Sunday.

What a group! We're looking at near 20 drivers for this event.

Carl. Since I'm not likely to make it with a car does your buddy want my spot?

[79-TA]

^What group did you sign up for and for which days, Chad? I procrastinated signing up until I had a bit more financial stability, so I'm still not in officially in. I was thinking of signing up for the driving school and getting into solo that way. If your spot is available, I'll take it.

[mpozzi]

Deanna had to opt out for the Driving School and for Sunday. Not sure if those spots have filled by now.

Mary Pozzi

[David Pozzi]

Motorhome doesn't run, I'm not going.

[Gitter Dun]

Motorhome doesn't run, I'm not going.

Party pooper

[SIK02SS]

Looks like I'm not going, didn't sign up for Open in time and my Camaro doesn't have a cage to go in the Race group

[Chad-1stGen]

^What group did you sign up for and for which days, Chad? I procrastinated signing up until I had a bit more financial stability, so I'm still not in officially in. I was thinking of signing up for the driving school and getting into solo that way. If your spot is available, I'll take it.

Brett, I'm signed up for the "point by" group. Spot is yours if you want it for whatever I paid for it. Would rather eat the $15 to transfer to you than $49 on cancellation fee.

[Gitter Dun]

Looks like I'm not going, didn't sign up for Open in time and my Camaro doesn't have a cage to go in the Race group

That sucks, was hoping to see you there. Maybe they'll let me in the race group and let you take my open group spot. Let me know and I'll give Dave at NCRC a call.

EDIT: Open group showing not full yet............???????

[Flash68]

they're dropping like flies :(

[SIK02SS]

That sucks, was hoping to see you there. Maybe they'll let me in the race group and let you take my open group spot. Let me know and I'll give Dave at NCRC a call.

EDIT: Open group showing not full yet............???????

I swore it said that it was :o

so cancellation policy is 1 week notice by 6:30am and they only refund 1/2 the $?

[Gitter Dun]

I swore it said that it was :o

so cancellation policy is 1 week notice by 6:30am and they only refund 1/2 the $?

I just talked to dave on the phone and there are still openings for open group. GITTER DUN!!

[LM7_67]

Yeah... absolutely no way the car is going to be together in time for this :( have fun everyone!

[79-TA]

Brett, I'm signed up for the "point by" group. Spot is yours if you want it for whatever I paid for it. Would rather eat the $15 to transfer to you than $49 on cancellation fee.

Shoot, I've only done 3 NASA trackdays and the RTTC roadcourses. I don't think they'd want me in point by yet.

[Chad-1stGen]

Ok. My spot is gone to a buddy of Carl's :)

[David Pozzi]

Awesome!! I'm At Motel 6 Central for Friday night and should arrive around 4:00 p.m. on Friday. Saturday night I most likely will be camping out at the track.

Anyone else camping out Saturday night?

The track is LOADED with flying BUGS at dusk. They go for any light source, so either keep lights out or bring a bug net. You might want to rent a garage and camp in it.
I'll work on the Motorhome & see if I can get it going.
David

[CarlC]

If Farmer Dave can't get the motorhome running.......

Come on Dave, what else do you have to do? ;-)

[Nessumsar]

So, I got this wild hair to come to the event looking like I came straight out of the late 60s-early 70s, and thought it would be cool if we could make it a theme for the group? Might be kind of cool to have all of us looking the part with our cars.

I know, I know, weird right?

[Gitter Dun]

The track is LOADED with flying BUGS at dusk. They go for any light source, so either keep lights out or bring a bug net. You might want to rent a garage and camp in it.
I'll work on the Motorhome & see if I can get it going.
David

Thanks Dave, Hope to see you there!! I'll probably end up sleeping in my truck, wouldn't be the first time.

[CarlC]

If someone wants a point-by spot for Sunday my friend, who took Chad's spot, is looking to sell it. PM me if interested.

[CarlC]

So, I got this wild hair to come to the event looking like I came straight out of the late 60s-early 70s, and thought it would be cool if we could make it a theme for the group? Might be kind of cool to have all of us looking the part with our cars.

I know, I know, weird right?

No, not weird, but I'll be shooting for a few decades later with my new outfit. It makes its full debut at Buttonwillow.

[Gitter Dun]

In '69 I was 4 years old, not sure what to wear............at least I was out of diapers by then

[CarlC]

.....and hopefully neither of us are back in them any time soon.

[David Pozzi]

So, I got this wild hair to come to the event looking like I came straight out of the late 60s-early 70s, and thought it would be cool if we could make it a theme for the group? Might be kind of cool to have all of us looking the part with our cars.

I know, I know, weird right?

I never had a Mullet, but I did have mutton chop side burns!!! Maybe I should start growing them. :hmm:

[mpozzi]

i never had a mullet, but i did have mutton chop side burns!!! Maybe i should start growing them. :hmm:

no!

[Gitter Dun]

Think it might be time to view some old school vids to see what these guys looked like.

[Nessumsar]

I've been growing my mustache for 7? weeks now. I picked up a set of Paulson Bubble Goggles the other day, and now I need to find and open face helmet!

Mary/David, would you guys happen to have an XL open-face laying around? :)

I'm thinking some light-wash jeans and a white undershirt should do the trick.

[Nessumsar]

I never had a Mullet, but I did have mutton chop side burns!!! Maybe I should start growing them. :hmm:

Yes!

[Gitter Dun]

I checked out some old vids from back in the day. Not a whole lot of difference but the side burns might have to happen.

Hey Dave, got any old pics?

[Flash68]

I never had a Mullet, but I did have mutton chop side burns!!! Maybe I should start growing them. :hmm:

If this was Facebook I would hit the big fat LIKE button here.

[CarlC]

I never had a Mullet, but I did have mutton chop side burns!!! Maybe I should start growing them. :hmm:

This post is worthless without a vintage photo to prove it!!!

[sevillaz28]

This post is worthless without a vintage photo to prove it!!!

So lets see some vintage Carl pics. I grew up in the Big Hair days so i don't qualify.

[SIK02SS]

Can't make it for sure..maybe with Speed Ventures the following week though

[SIK02SS]

On a side note though, my '67 is getting a new Ron Davis radiator, SPAL fans, a Vintage Air serpentine, and the Wilwood calipers were re-built..should all be done next week and the carb was just re-tuned (hasn't been touched since '03 or so) :D

[Larry Callahan]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/xlg_top_coats-1.jpg

[73z-6sp]

fvgbhn

[Flash68]

I'm rockin some big lamb chops today. :lol:

[sik68]

So tempted to tie-dye my firesuit....or at least get a seamstress to bell-bottom them! HAHA

[CarlC]

The new trash recepticle suit with shoes.

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[mpozzi]

Has Carl got the "I'm a driver STUD" look going on or what??? Damn, dude ... you be stylin'.

Was fun tracking with you yesterday, too.

Mary P.

[Rod]

Nice ummm patch placement! :rolleyes:

[CarlC]

The suit came with all of the patches. Each one must be worth a second or two.

Me too Mary. Just wish I had more time on SOWS instead.

[Gitter Dun]

I'm out for Sunday folks. My boys are starting their Fall baseball season this Friday and it looks like my Friday's and Sunday's will be takin' up for a while.

Dont know what time Friday night I will be showing up yet, but it looks like it could be way later than typical.

If anyone is interested in taking my half of Dave Gordon and I's garage spot for Sunday let me or Dave know. It will be up for grabs for $37.50

[CarlC]

One week to go. Who's still in?

If all goes as planned I'll arrive at the track Friday mid-afternoon to unload and set up.

[Gitter Dun]

I'm still in. I'll miss my kids 3rd and 4rth baseball practice but I've worked it out to where I should show around 4:00 p.m on Friday and will be able to stick it out for part of Sunday.

[Vegas69]

Bad news Casanova, I'm still coming. ha ha

[Flash68]

Will be cocked and loaded. Can't wait to get the skeaky pete nitrous kit installed for those few straights.

Probably also looking at 4-5pm arrival on Friday at the track and get set up.

[CarlC]

Bad news Casanova, I'm still coming. ha ha

You're not kidding. It's a good thing this can go back on the helmet.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Vegas69]

Is Hotchkis over there testing your car yet? ha ha