What would you do with $15k to spend?

[jtkirk00]

[Update 5/22/11: For those just checking in, I acquired a 1963 Impala. Please feel free to read through the thread to see how it evolved. Thanks!]

I recently got the approval from my boss, er, wife, that I have a budget of $15k to buy a weekend cruiser / muscle car. I realize that $15k is a very small amount compared to many of the projects on here, but who would be more knowledgeable than you guys/gals to provide creative solutions to my limited budget?

Once the $15k is depleted, I need to have a good looking and reliable driver, but with some kick for fun. It does not need to be a show car (obviously). It can be a completely ready-to-drive car, or it could need some work.

I live in Northern Virginia and I imagine prices to be a bit higher than in most other places. However, I have family in Central Kentucky where a better deal may be attainable.

So, give yourself a budget of $15k. Assume you can do no mechanical work yourself. What do you buy? And lastly, anyone got any leads for cars in my area (VA or KY)? :)

[Gitter Dun]

I was hoping this was going to be a "what you would do with 15K after you bought the car" thread. Your not leaving yourself much room to play with. When I'm looking for a car I typically stay away from anything that needs body and paint.

If I was in your shoes and had 15K to play with I'd pick up a 3rd gen IROC Camaro with decent body and paint. You should be able to pick something up for around $2500. 10k plus should give you enough breathing room for tires, wheels, suspension, engine, and maybe some miscellaneous interior improvements.

[jtkirk00]

Thanks for the reply. I should have provided a little more direction. I really can't see myself going for anything newer than 1972. A large part of what I want is that nostalgic muscle car look.

The 3rd Gen IROC would certainly be a blast to drive, but I don't like the look of it at all.

[bret]

71-72 Chevelle. Best bang for the buck...easy to work with...all kinds of good parts for it...responds well to simple, inexpensive improvements...good resale if needed...can haul the whole family. I bought a clean example in KY a couple of years ago for about $15,500...very respectable car.

After that...tires...brakes...spindles...shocks...seats. ..steering wheel...control arms...in that order. You might want to work on the engine depending on the kind of driving or racing your are planning. For autocross...I have a couple cars with mutt 307 engines...the car doesn't seem to mind:)

[Damn True]

I'd pay off any CC balances or reduce mortgage principal by $15k.

[Scott Parkhurst]

Probably this:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/cto/2333074171.html

Used to belong to a guy in my Chevelle club...it was a good car for him. I can put you in touch with him if you want the inside scoop on the car. It was always a good looker and a good runner.

[BirdsThaWord]

VERY nice early C-3 Corvette's (still had chrome bumpers, 1968-1972) can be bought for under that. surprisingly less than a 67-69 Camaro in similar shape. Unlike Camaro's, the more you modify them, the more their value seems to drop. SOOO...Find one that already has had the motor done (not original), replacement wheels, etc. and you'll be starting out with a car that will already be fun as heck and it will already turn heads. Shop smart and you'll have a few grand left for other mods.

[jtkirk00]

bret - I think you may be on to something. I've been finding several Chevelles that might do the trick.

Damn True - No CC balances and the mortgage is in check. $15k won't make much of a dent in that. This is discretionary spending.

Scott - Yeah, I am seeing lots of similar cars in the right range. I don't think I would get one with a vinyl top, but his ride looks quite nice.

[Vicinity]

I'd pay off any CC balances or reduce mortgage principal by $15k.

This would probably be my biggest concern!

70-73 Camaro's can still be had semi cheap in good condition.

First gen Mustangs can be had for very cheap.

[jtkirk00]

BirdsthaWord - I'm interested in outside the box thinking (hence the question here), but to be honest you've hit on my #1 target thus far. If I could get into one for $13k then it would be great to have a little leftover for simple mods.

[jtkirk00]

Vicinity - I might need to consider those Camaros, but I don't think they'd be my first choice. My first car was a semi-built '66 Mustang. Unless it's a fastback, I won't have another.

[Vicinity]

Vicinity - I might need to consider those Camaros, but I don't think they'd be my first choice. My first car was a semi-built '66 Mustang. Unless it's a fastback, I won't have another.

If you wanna spend $60k more than your budget, I have a friend who might get rid of his all original '68 (ish?) 302 Boss. :)

NoVA and SoMD have some good price Mustangs popping up on Craigslist every so often. If you haven't checked yet, when I get back from class, I'll look around for ya.

[jtkirk00]

If you wanna spend $60k more than your budget, I have a friend who might get rid of his all original '68 (ish?) 302 Boss.

I think I would use that $60k on the mortgage like others have said. Now that would make a dent!

I'm all over craigslist right now and I don't recall seeing many tempting Mustangs. But perhaps you have magic searching powers.

[Amatouring]

I would look for cars on enthusiast sites like this one. Cars being built for the love of building are usually in much better overall condition than the built to flip cars you might find elsewhere. There are some great deals out there for somebody who can afford a toy right now. Do yourself a favor and buy a car as close to done as you can find even if it uses up almost your entire budget. The cost of small parts while trying to get a big project road worthy can add up so fast you won’t know where your 15 grand went. Buy something drivable with decent paint and body. Even if it isn’t perfect, be sure you can live with it the way it looks now. Paint and bodywork will destroy that 15 grand very quickly as well as probably tie up your new toy for a substantial amount of time. Even if it doesn’t scorch the tires right now, most of the engines in these old cars were way overbuilt and can be tuned up by someone with a few hand tools. If you are even a little mechanically inclined, bolt on suspension mods can be done with minor amounts of effort for substantial gains. Changes like suspension tweaks and engine modifications can be done a little at a time. The cost of gradual tweaks can often go right under the radar (If you know what I mean) Find some like minded guys who might be willing to help you out with advice or even parts or labor. You are probably not going to get an awesome pro touring car for anywhere near your budget, but you would be surprised what you can put together with some smart shopping and good friends.

[Vicinity]

I think I would use that $60k on the mortgage like others have said. Now that would make a dent!

I'm all over craigslist right now and I don't recall seeing many tempting Mustangs. But perhaps you have magic searching powers.

Fastback or coupe? Or does it not matter?

[jtkirk00]

Shane - I like the way you think. The specialist site idea is what reminded me to come back here. I haven't been active on this forum for several months, but I wanted to check out the ads. Nothing posted for me right now, but I'll keep an eye on it. What other sites do you recommend?

Dan - My first Mustang was a coupe. Unless it was a very badass coupe, my next Mustang would have to be fastback. Thanks!

[1red68]

i would have to agree with the early Mustangs. a nice clean v8 fastback can be found for 10-12 range and parts are cheap and its fully supported by the aftermarket. that would leave you with cash left for fun stuff.......

I'm not knocking the Chevelle or any other idea either. i would also ask around, kick over some rocks and see what turns up....What do you like?? ask some buddies for some rides, you can find out alot about a cars mannerisms just going for little ride....

[jtkirk00]

1red68 - I haven't come across any fastbacks in the 10-12k range, but would be very excited to do so.

I actually come from a family of muscle car owners. When I had my 66 Mustang, my Mom had a 67 Chevelle SS, my step-dad had a 66 Corvette, my brother had a Buick Skylark, etc. They are pointing me towards 68-72 Corvette or 66/67 Chevelle. I guess I'm just curious if I am overlooking any options... the community here will have a much different take on the situation than my family.

[Nessumsar]

Have you thought about a 68-74 Nova? They can still be had for pretty cheap, and use all of the 1st gen Camaro front suspension/brake pieces. I bet you could find a really clean one for $8,000; that leaves you with more than enough money for suspension, wheels/tires, and brakes.

[1red68]

[QUOTE=jtkirk00;792988]1red68 - I haven't come across any fastbacks in the 10-12k range, but would be very excited to do so.


ya, you are right.:hand: sorry.

[Vicinity]

Well, you have a point. I can find some killer deals on Mustangs, but not-so-much a fastback. I'm sure one will pop up, but not as frequently as a coupe.

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/2329103142.html

I did find this pretty nice coupe, but it has rust and will require body work. It's kind of hard to tell how bad from the pics.

[Jeff70]

I would look outside the norm. Skylark, Cutlass, 2nd-3rd gen Nova, Lemans. These can be had for way less $$$ than a Chevelle, Camaro, Mustang.

[Vegas69]

I'd pay off any CC balances or reduce mortgage principal by $15k.

Boo, that's not the American way but I agree with you. Investing 15k into the right classic car is a pretty safe bet.

[Draginutz]

Heres some options.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-chevelle-malibu-ss-402-cu-big-block-texas-clean-/120714621452?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c1b26f20c

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1966-SPORT-COUPE-A-BEAUTY-/120706711785?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c1aae40e9

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-HEAVY-CHEVY-TRIBUTE-350-4BBL-4-SPEED-PS-PDB-/140537469575?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20b8af9a87

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Camaro-SS-Tribute-HiPo-350-Brand-New-Tranny-/280661044535?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4158b3ad37

Not too hard to find something if you look outside the box.

[vintageracer]

Buy a car completely done and ready to use.

The LAST thing you need is a project or a car that you must work on sitting in the garage and listening to the family bitch about that piece of crap car in the garage that nobody but you likes.

There are LOT'S o nice cars out there that can be had for $15K. Make the car search a family affair by involving everyone in the houshold in the search and everyone will be onboard with your purchase & decision!

You will not get what you really want but that's OK since you will be getting what the family wants and after all that really IS what you want now isn't it????

[72camarors]

2nd Gen camaro. You can still find them at a reasonable price and and mark my words they are gonna sky rocket! Just in the last year they have made a drastic increase. They are making almost as many parts for the 2nd gens now as they are for the 1st gens. You can get a nice driver for $15K and then down the road take it to whatever level you want!

[Blown73]

Boo, that's not the American way but I agree with you. Investing 15k into the right classic car is a pretty safe bet.

Has anyone ever came ahead financially on a classic car? I mean, if you count in the hours you work on them, money in parts, etc., usually its a loss...

You could pick up a 68-74 nova for anywhere between 6 and 10k, that leaves plenty of money left for tires, suspension, and some minor fixes. I am biased to novas, but still, you can get a non-ss car for a reasonable price and they have lots of bolt on performance parts available.

[1red68]

or maybe something like this???
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280662522815&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT


it's a bit big, but has lots of up grades.

[Vicinity]

or maybe something like this???
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280662522815&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT


it's a bit big, but has lots of up grades.

Do you guys really recommend buying off eBay? Because chances are you're buying it sight unseen. That's the last thing I'd want to do when buying a muscle car.

[srh3trinity]

That is a cool Galaxie. I would buy a C3 Corvette with that kind of budget, but suspension mods can get pricey on those. Whatever you buy, make sure there is good aftermarket support. That will keep your options open as you modify it.

[NJSPEEDER]

I would shop for someone's unfinished project. With an abandoned project you can usually swing a deal on a car plus whatever parts the person has bought for it. If you can find one without a good drivetrain that is a jack pot moment because you can always drop the "even after I get it together I still have to put a motor and trans in it" line to get yourself an even sweater deal.

-Tim

[zbugger]

It's for a car? Damn.. If it wasn't, I'd say Bunnyranch. And I'd be there for a while.

[muthstryker]

Have you checked out the "for sale" section on here to see what other members have?

[shep]

Personally I would be looking for a cool summer cruiser ready to go that I can load everybody in and enjoy. Something big, convertible, or 4 door hard top. Late 60's early 70's Buick wildcat or lesaber. 64-67 Lincoln 4 door hard top or vert. Throw some wheels and tires on it lower it a little and cruise. Not really the norm for this site, but you asked what I would do. If you don't fall in love with it sell it in the fall and start looking for a winter project.

[72camarors]

I have heard horror stories about people buying cars on ebay but I purchased my 72 split bumper from ebay and it was even nicer than I expected it to be. If the car is not within driving distance to look at personally, make sure you get MANY recent pictures! The guy I purchased my car from sent me a link to over 100 recent pics of the car. As for buying a muscle car and making money on it. I also agree that you need to find someone's unfinished project or find one that is already finished. When you build a car from the ground up you always spend way more money than buying one that someone else has started or finished unless you are in the position to do most of the work yourself! I purchased my car for 12K and now have 30K in it. It appraised for 49K but I have my own restoration shop and did all the work myself! If you add up all the countless hours of work I am probably in the hole 20K. You are gonna get a different opinion from almost everyone but maybe this will help you in some way.

[thirdstreettito]

I'd get a GM chassis car from out in the desert and have it shipped home. A full float 9-inch. Full BMR suspension(arms, coilover conv, etc). A 4.8/5.3 swap with the trans of your choice and a T-70 ish turbo. Craigslist bucket seats. KORE3 Z06 brakes. Full gauges if you want. 15K give or take 1K. Hells yes.

[Daren]

I'd buy a pro-street drag car and then convert it to a pro touring setup. You can get 500+ hp restored 2nd gens for under $15,000. Sell the spooled rear end and pick up a limited slip in your desired final drive ratio add needed suspension goodies, wheels + tires and call it a day. Sell the pro street bits to offset some of the cost.

[SicMonte]

camaro...mustang...to many already done. Get a g-body. They are cheap and can be built on a budget. There are so many parts for these cars out there now it is very easy to build one for 15K...no problem.

[Happyfunballs]

Buy this (http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/2335740575.html) so I'll stop thinking about it.

[JEFFTATE]

I would do for a driveable , mechanically sound beater . with an honest body on it.
Look for a '70 1/2 to '73 Camaro , '68 to '73 Corvette , '68 to '75 Nova , or '68 to '72 Chevelle .

I know of a certain pro-touring member that may be selling a '69 Camaro for around $20k soon .. ( not me )
It needs some TLC and maintenance , but it is a good car ..

[jtkirk00]

Thanks all for the great feedback. I really appreciate it.

I'm not sure I would be comfortable buying from eBay. To spend up to $15k and have the risk that I might not get what I'm expecting would not go over well with the boss. Better safe than sorry.

I think the idea for the Nova is a strong one. I've seen a lot of strong examples out there. It's not the most exciting, but it would allow me to get the most complete car possible for the budget.

I have checked the "For Sale" section here and nothing "complete" fits my budget. I will keep an eye on it though.

The pro-street drag car did cross my mind as having potential. Like you mention, pieces I don't need could be sold to help fund the pieces I want. I'm going to keep my out for that. Not sure I want a massive tub job, but sometimes it looks killer (at the cost of performance).

I notice that lots of you like to post links to cars. Would it be OK for me to post some links to things I'm finding and get your feedback? I feel like I need to really narrow down my interests so that my car search is as focused as possible. Your feedback would be much appreciated.

Thanks again!

[dadto2jays]

I did not noticed if you would consider a truck or not but you can have a pretty bad ass chevy swb 67-72 in running condition and in great shape sometimes for less than 12k....check out www.67-72chevytrucks.com for sale section..

[jtkirk00]

Yeah, I would consider that model truck. I've always liked them. However, it would definitelly have to be bad ass for me to go that way instead of a similar year Corvette.

[jy211]

a buddy of mine has this clone for sale: https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Has a straight 6 though LOL.

[jtkirk00]

What does he want for it? Looks like it might be missing a few things... a V8 being one of them though that doesn't concern me too bad.

[jy211]

Let me find out what he wants and what parts he's got.

[Vegas69]

Has anyone ever came ahead financially on a classic car? I mean, if you count in the hours you work on them, money in parts, etc., usually its a loss...

You could pick up a 68-74 nova for anywhere between 6 and 10k, that leaves plenty of money left for tires, suspension, and some minor fixes. I am biased to novas, but still, you can get a non-ss car for a reasonable price and they have lots of bolt on performance parts available.

Finding a decent driver for 15k gives you one hell of a better chance than building from scratch. That, I can guarantee....

[Vicinity]

Finding a decent driver for 15k gives you one hell of a better chance than building from scratch. That, I can guarantee....

This, very much so. Plus it's nice to plop down the cash and DRIVE the car home. Something I really wish I could have done. But no, I had to be impatient. :doh:

[67rally]

x2 or x3 or whatever on the bodywork. Find one that is already done. Depending on where you live, you could drop 15k on body and paint and still have a car that doesn't run. Better to find one that's in good shape with nothing extra and add on as the budget allows. There's nothing worse than having a "project" sitting in the garage or driveway that you can't afford to fix up.

[Mr. Anderson]

Not that I have any money or room for another car, but I've been looking at '67-'70 Cougars lately and you can find some nice ones for around $10k. And since it's mostly a Mustang underneath, performance parts are readily available and pretty affordable.

Ebay might not be the best place to buy, but it gives you a good idea of what certain cars are going for these days.

Spend the rest of the $15k on a set of wheels and tires (this one is being sold with out the TTD's) and fixing any small issues that pop up. Would be a great driver.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-MERCURY-COUGAR-XR7-FACTORY-S-CODE-390-4V-C6-85K-/180654725118?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a0fdc57fe

Another one for pretty cheap but I doubt its running and driving.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/68-cougar-mercury-cougar-/320688474861?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4aaa85caed

I'm keeping an eye on this one.....gorgeous car.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-MERCURY-COUGER-XR7-COUPE-BLUE-WHITE-TOP-FRAME-OFF-/220769551265?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3366e403a1

[vanzuuk1]

Fox body mustang would make a great streetfighter on the cheap...

[Daren]

You might want to keep an eye out in racingjunk.com and nab something before it makes it's way to ebay.

[BirdsThaWord]

BirdsthaWord - I'm interested in outside the box thinking (hence the question here), but to be honest you've hit on my #1 target thus far. If I could get into one for $13k then it would be great to have a little leftover for simple mods.
It will take some looking, but my last two I got from Craigslist. There are new websites that will search all of Craigslist at once. I recently saw a '72 for $8k. Pics looked nice, but not sure about the real deal. If you can be patient, you'll get your #1 pick. You'll never regret it. If you get another car, you'll always drool and say coulda, shoulda, woulda everytime you see a chrome bumper C-3. Just search "search all of craigslist" and you'll find one of the sites I'm talking about. By the way, below is the '69 I had. I put $40k into it and let it go in a hurry for $13,500. Just telling you that to let you know what kind of deals you can find if you look hard & long. Like I said, the more you modify, the less they are worth. BUT... It's your car and I'm sure you are buying it to enjoy it, not as an investment.
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[72camarors]

I would definitely have to disagree with the statement the more you modify, the less they are worth! That would be true with a matching number or maybe a special edition car such as a yenko or copo for example. Most modified pro-touring style cars are bringing way more money than an original car. Again, there are a few exceptions but it is mostly based on your choice of car and the choice of modifications you do to it. Not all modifications are good ones! You can take two of the same cars and let two different people spend the same amount of money on them and have two totally different outcomes. You may end up with a 20k car and a 40K car with the same amount in them both.

[Daren]

"Pro touring style" are the the key words here. Like it or not but anything pro touring themed/styled will pull a bit of a premium over other resto mods. Better to take a butt ugly pro street themed car running big N littles balloon tires and convert to a pro touring themed car in both aesthetics and suspension than to try to pick up anything with "pro touring" in the seller's add.

[72camarors]

I don't really understand what would be the advantage of buying a pro street car if you have to change the suspension, rear end, tires and wheels etc. Then 90% of these cars the inner fenders, dash, interior and many other parts are hacked up! Seems the only thing you would getting is the fact that the car is already mini tubbed. Then usually the engine and cooling system is not set up to be driven everyday. I know we all have priced 20x12's for a tubbed car. You will spend 5K on wheels alone!

[Vicinity]

I don't really understand what would be the advantage of buying a pro street car if you have to change the suspension, rear end, tires and wheels etc. Then 90% of these cars the inner fenders, dash, interior and many other parts are hacked up! Seems the only thing you would getting is the fact that the car is already mini tubbed. Then usually the engine and cooling system is not set up to be driven everyday. I know we all have priced 20x12's for a tubbed car. You will spend 5K on wheels alone!

You can resell a lot of that to sort of make up the difference. All the stuff separate will sell for much more alone than together.

[jtkirk00]

Mr. Anderson - I came across a 1968 Cougar today that I thought looked pretty good. Since you're looking at them, I thought I'd share. It's in Maryland.

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/2336454762.html

[Daren]

I don't really understand what would be the advantage of buying a pro street car if you have to change the suspension, rear end, tires and wheels etc. Then 90% of these cars the inner fenders, dash, interior and many other parts are hacked up! Seems the only thing you would getting is the fact that the car is already mini tubbed. Then usually the engine and cooling system is not set up to be driven everyday. I know we all have priced 20x12's for a tubbed car. You will spend 5K on wheels alone!

You make some very good points. To be more precise, by "pro street" I mean complete, recently restored modified cars with or without tubed rear fender wells built for strong acceleration. Think 2nd Camaro with 500hp runing drag radials with complete interior. A lot of these cars run in the 10s and if built with the intent of drag racing will have a cage, however some of these cars run in the 10s but were built as street machines and do not have a cage.

My father picked up his 74 Firebird formula with a racing 455, a 175 shot of NOS and other goodies for $14,000 off racingjunk. There is that much into the engine alone on that car. The car was recently restored and was 100% complete. Selling the 12 bolt with elminator kit rear end and picking up a Moser 12 bolt with true-track is like saying the Moser is 30% off on sale. The NOS is also going away and putting money in his pocket as well as the 16'' weld racing wheels and drag radials. It comes down to how crazy of a pro street car you buy. You are correct, you don't want to pick something up that is really heavily orientated around very quick 1/4 mile times as I imagine you would have to spend a significant amount of money converting it to a street car and then into a pro touring car.

[Evoix]

Well, for 15K I don't think C-3 Corvettes, or Nova's are a bad option.
Being more of a Ford guy, I would look for a '67 - '70 Mustang coupe, as the fastbacks tend to be high up (or above) in your price range - Also would consider a Falcon (obviously im not in your area) http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/2315484080.html http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/2341122450.html http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/2271558746.html <- Drag car for 7k - replace the wheels, add suspension :) you can get a NICE complete running falcon for under what you want to spend... just my $.02

[jtkirk00]

OK guys, let me ask you a question. This (http://charlottesville.craigslist.org/cto/2303523933.html) is an interesting Nova that I've found. Supposedly it has 2 quarter size rust spots in the trunk. Otherwise it's clean. Let's say I could get this car and with money leftover, make some upgrades. What should I do if I spent just $2,500? What if I spent $5,000? Keep in mind that unless it's simple bolt on stuff, I'd have to pay for installation. What changes would you make first?

[1red68]

I like the Nova. it looks good. they are fairly light and respond well to mods.... actually I've got a 70 in the shop, but thats another story for some other time...
are those wheels 16 or 17's??
i would change the rear gear to something more streetable or put an overdrive in, but an od will eat up a big chunk of your budget. then i would look at the suspension and brakes. then drive the wheels off it. :) oh, and i would ditch that benchseat... at less you want your wife to sit next to you... don't see too many 2 headed drivers any more...

[Evoix]

The Nova looks nice. Looks like a great starting point that you can enjoy as you go. not sure how far your extra cash would go but id be thinking IRS, EFi... but those are just my preferences...

[BirdsThaWord]

I would definitely have to disagree with the statement the more you modify, the less they are worth! That would be true with a matching number or maybe a special edition car such as a yenko or copo for example. Most modified pro-touring style cars are bringing way more money than an original car. Again, there are a few exceptions but it is mostly based on your choice of car and the choice of modifications you do to it. Not all modifications are good ones! You can take two of the same cars and let two different people spend the same amount of money on them and have two totally different outcomes. You may end up with a 20k car and a 40K car with the same amount in them both.
You are incorrect sir. Ask anyone who knows about classic Corvettes and you'll find that they are the complete opposite of a Camaro, Nova, Chevelle, etc. Again, in my post I was referring to Corvette's.

[BirdsThaWord]

OK guys, let me ask you a question. This (http://charlottesville.craigslist.org/cto/2303523933.html) is an interesting Nova that I've found. Supposedly it has 2 quarter size rust spots in the trunk. Otherwise it's clean. Let's say I could get this car and with money leftover, make some upgrades. What should I do if I spent just $2,500? What if I spent $5,000? Keep in mind that unless it's simple bolt on stuff, I'd have to pay for installation. What changes would you make first?
Looks like you may have found a good deal! To answer your question, (in my personal opinion) I would focus on wheels and stance first. That way, no matter where you are in your build, it will look good from day one and be something you'll feel good driving in from day one. You can sell the current wheels to finance the new wheels. I've always focused on making my rides look killer first. It keeps me motivated and excited, even if it's sitting there needing a motor. If the car looked like a turd, but had a killer motor, it wouldn't keep me motivated and in love with it. Found some decent looking ones on the net (I Googled "1972 Nova pics"):
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Not sure if you like the wheels on these cars, but I thought they leaned a little towards the PT look. Just my point of view.

[jtkirk00]

Thanks for your thoughts Birds. I spoke to the owner of the car and things sounded pretty good until he mentioned that the quarters had been repaired earlier and they did a bad job with it. Body work is something I don't want to deal with so this put me off. I'd either need to get the car a lot cheaper, or pass on it. He didn't seem willing to budge much on price.

However, I might have located a 70 Camaro that looks too good to be true. Trying to figure out if it's a scam or not. If not, that might be the winner!

[Vicinity]

Looks like you may have found a good deal! To answer your question, (in my personal opinion) I would focus on wheels and stance first. That way, no matter where you are in your build, it will look good from day one and be something you'll feel good driving in from day one. You can sell the current wheels to finance the new wheels. I've always focused on making my rides look killer first. It keeps me motivated and excited, even if it's sitting there needing a motor. If the car looked like a turd, but had a killer motor, it wouldn't keep me motivated and in love with it. Found some decent looking ones on the net (I Googled "1972 Nova pics"):

Not sure if you like the wheels on these cars, but I thought they leaned a little towards the PT look. Just my point of view.

I agree, but if you do focus on wheels first, make sure you figure out what brakes you want also, they gotta fit too. It would suck to have some new shoes that you can't fit your feet in. :)

[BirdsThaWord]

Thanks for your thoughts Birds. I spoke to the owner of the car and things sounded pretty good until he mentioned that the quarters had been repaired earlier and they did a bad job with it. Body work is something I don't want to deal with so this put me off. I'd either need to get the car a lot cheaper, or pass on it. He didn't seem willing to budge much on price.

However, I might have located a 70 Camaro that looks too good to be true. Trying to figure out if it's a scam or not. If not, that might be the winner!
Good thing he was honest with you. I agree, body work is something I think is also left to the pros, or at least to someone who has (a lot of) time and the patience to do it right. (That aint me!) Hope the '70 Bird works out. I love 'em!

Vicinity: Darn good point!

[BirdsThaWord]

Not sure where you are, or if this is up your alley or not. Has paint that would make Prince proud: http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/2346360990.html

[John510]

If I had 15K I would buy a Factory Five kit car. Thats my next project.

[Daren]

Looks like you may have found a good deal! To answer your question, (in my personal opinion) I would focus on wheels and stance first. That way, no matter where you are in your build, it will look good from day one and be something you'll feel good driving in from day one. You can sell the current wheels to finance the new wheels. I've always focused on making my rides look killer first. It keeps me motivated and excited, even if it's sitting there needing a motor. If the car looked like a turd, but had a killer motor, it wouldn't keep me motivated and in love with it. Found some decent looking ones on the net (I Googled "1972 Nova pics"):
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Interesting concept, however it strikes me as odd. Wouldn't it make more sense to buy something ugly and mechanically sound, then make it look good rather than the other way around? I would imagine anything for sale that looks killer is going to be attracting a lot of interest and bids if it is listed on ebay. I've had good success in the past buying ugly cars for cheap and making look good with paint, body work and a bit of good taste.

[jtkirk00]

John510 - The Factory Five car(s) look great. Unfortunately, for $15k you just get a pile of parts. I need a finished driver for $15k or less. If my budget ever expands, I will look more closely at these cars.

[strtcar]

If I had 15K I would buy a Factory Five kit car. Thats my next project.

Couldn't agree more.

[BirdsThaWord]

jtkirkoo, what did you get? Get anything yet? Hurry up before the boss changes her mind! My wife did that to me a few years ago. Took me another 18 mos. to get her " in the mood" again!

[jtkirk00]

Nothing yet! Had a decent lead on a 1970 Mustang Mach 1 but I'm worried about some floor pan issues. It's a nice car though.

I've found a lot of intriguing cars but I am too worried about making a mistake with the purchase. I don't want to get something that becomes a money pit or breaks down and sits in the garage.

But you're right... I need to pull the trigger soon!

[Vicinity]

Here's some. Might not be your thing, but check 'em anyway!

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/2315303998.html

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/2359383356.html

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/2358651747.html <- CHEAP FASTBACK! Needs a little work, though, not quite "show ready" as the others

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/2349642936.html

http://annapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2288534040.html

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/2345184188.html

[jy211]

Nothing yet!

how about a rat rod?

[jtkirk00]

You know... I actually would consider a rat rod if it ran very well. It would still need to be solid. I found this truck the other day and loved it (http://www.laboldclassics.com/index.php?page=1950-chevrolet).

Vicinity - None of those cars seem like the right fit for me. Later on today I'll post some of the best cars I've found so far.

[jy211]

my brother has this: http://www.racingjunk.com/category/4241/1959_earlier/post/2172824/1930-Rat-Rod-Roadster.html

[jtkirk00]

That's a neat car, but I think it's too much rat and not enough rod for me.

[BirdsThaWord]

that's a neat car, but i think it's too much rat and not enough rod for me.

lol!

[jtkirk00]

OK... so this is a lot of links, but here's some of the best things I've found thus far. What do you all think? I'm looking both in D.C. area and near central Kentucky.

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/2335312978.html

http://winchester.craigslist.org/cto/2332172035.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1474/Chevelle/post/2194128/1970-Chevelle-SS-Black-Big-Block-Clean.html

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/2309804599.html

http://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/2354566862.html

http://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/2352072355.html <-- 840hp????

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/2361603210.html

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/2330485591.html

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1060/Chevrolet/post/2177054/1963-Impala.html

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/2328902775.html

[jy211]

well he can build you something pretty quickly if you want...

[jtkirk00]

well he can build you something pretty quickly if you want...

Could you send him a picture of that truck I posted above? That looks like it would perform well and it looks different. That would be pretty neat. My wife would definitely not go for the car your brother is selling. Thanks!

[BirdsThaWord]

I dig those older Chevelles (more boxy bodied) you posted. Would look killer if slammed with some Rushforths on!

[Vicinity]

I like that BB Chevelle, but I'd really be all over that Mach 1 with a Windsor, if I were you. Amazing car, great motor.

[piratebaseball]

For 15k I'd try to find a c5 corvette. Maybe you could get lucky and find an early style z06. Sounds crazy but I've seen a few in this area for 16-17k

[jtkirk00]

For 15k I'd try to find a c5 corvette. Maybe you could get lucky and find an early style z06. Sounds crazy but I've seen a few in this area for 16-17k

One of my requirements is for the car to be 1973 or older. That knocks out C5 Vettes.

Right now the leader is a BB 1969 Chevelle. I'll hopefully know for sure in the next few days.

[jtkirk00]

For those who may be curious, I am 99% sure I am getting this 63 Impala. We'll see if everything works out or not.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/05/1963Impala-1.jpg

[BirdsThaWord]

Nice car! That's something you could enjoy cruising in from day one. Interesting front bumper. Is that factory?

[jtkirk00]

Thanks. The car is unbelievably clean. Perfect black cherry paint, new interior, clean engine (350 with powerglide), no rust, etc. Supposedly it has placed Top 25 in 3 large car shows in the past year. Who knows about that.

Anyway, looks like it is factory. Well, it looks like it could be factory. I found several pictures of Impalas with the same bumper. I also found this listing for the bumper part of the bumper (ha!): http://www.impalas.com/bumpers-bumper-guards/1963-impala-front-accessorygrille-guard-with-rubber-bullets/bg63f.html

The things I would eventually want to change are: wheels (currently has 15" torque thrusts), change from bench seat to buckets, suspension mods (has 2" drop spindles, but not sure what else), eventually the engine. It has power brakes with discs up front... do I need them in back too?

I think I can get plenty of fun out of the car without doing a thing to it though.

[BirdsThaWord]

I don"t think it would hurt to put discs in the rear as that's a kinda heavy sled. Also, if you plan on running larger wheels, I've heard that it is crucial to up the braking capabilities. Sounds like it's as nice as it looks. I hope so for your sake. I agree, you can have plenty of fun just as it sits. I certainly would!!! By the way, does it have a/c? Didn't know that about the bumpers. Looks kind of modern. They must have been innovative at the time. Good luck and hope you can get it!

[1red68]

Nice, Very nice. :drool:

[jy211]

one of the board members had this for sale a while back: https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?67713-1963-impala&highlight=1963+impala

[jtkirk00]

one of the board members had this for sale a while back: https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?67713-1963-impala&highlight=1963+impala

That looks pretty nice. I wonder what happened to it.

[wicked68]

For 15k I'd try to find a c5 corvette. Maybe you could get lucky and find an early style z06. Sounds crazy but I've seen a few in this area for 16-17k


ditto you can get a 01 or 02 in this range. awesome track car

[rustomatic]

The Impala looks very cool; whack a third off the asking price, and you should have a deal. Just remember that things will be wrong with the car, guaranteed, at any price. You will not avoid this. It's why I suggest finding a car that looks like crap. Unfortunately, in your part of the country, it's not possible to find a rust-free junker, which is why I'd suggest this: Spend less money on the car, but look in CA/AZ/NV, and ship/pull the thing home. Find one that looks like dirt, and you'll know what's wrong today. Get one that's shiny, and you'll find yourself (or your mechanic) very discouraged. Inside out is the only way to go, when dealing with a mechanical device. I suppose the same applies to people and animals--pretty dogs are frequently insane and untrainable...

On a depressing final note, there are many broke people in the West--your deal is waiting.

[JJEH]

So, give yourself a budget of $15k. Assume you can do no mechanical work yourself. What do you buy? And lastly, anyone got any leads for cars in my area (VA or KY)? :)

2002 Camaro Z28 (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=61789326&listingRecNum=3&criteria=prMx%3D16000%26sf1Dir%3DDESC%26prMn%3D0%2 6mkId%3D20053%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D20770%26rd%3D2 50%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoPrice%26zc%3D86047%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national)

Suspension, wheel, tire and exhaust set up. That's it ;)

[dagregor]

I'd buy the salvage titled C5 ZO6 vette thats for sale on the San Anotonio craigslist for 12K and dump the other 3K into more mods and use it as a nice track car/weekend cruiser. You could probably get it even cheaper since he's had it listed for a while.

[jtkirk00]

I'm thrilled to share that I got the Impala. It's a great cruiser and needs nothing to enjoy today although I do plan on making changes here and there. Next up I need to connect with some good people in the Northern Virginia area. Anyone out there?

[rustomatic]

That's good news! I saw a really cool one near where I live yesterday--it was the same vintage as yours. It sat real low, had lots of nice primer spots, and had big black stock car wheels on it. People have Ferraris where I live; the Impala was far more interesting and cool. Cheers!

[jtkirk00]

I hear that. Lots of Ferraris here too. My parents trailored the car up from KY. The whole they got honks and waves. On my first cruise around my area, I got barely a look. Oh well! I guess it's just not as nice as another BMW 3-Series. Ha!

[RobNoLimit]

look for the off brands. First gen firebirds are 1/2 the price of similar Camaros. I like the late 60's to early 70's Nova, especially after riding in the Speedtech car. Buick, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile all had there versions, they are unique, and priced much lower.

[BirdsThaWord]

Congrats brother! Enjoy!!!

[jtkirk00]

I wanted to provide a quick update on the Impala I bought. Over the course of the past week, I spent about 10-12 hours detailing the car... basically cleaning it up from it's trailer ride from KY and from a bit of sloppiness of the past owner. Well, last night I put it in its first car show just to see how it would do. The show was in Leesburg, VA, and was the 25th annual show they've done. I think between 150-200 cars were there.

At the end of the night, they were about to announce the winners and I had to be persuaded by the owner of the car next to mine to go up to the stage. We got up there and much to my surprise, my name was announced as being awarded Top 10 for the Impala (#6 actually). I'm in complete shock still but thrilled. Perhaps this car is nicer than I thought!

[Amatouring]

We need pictures or it never happened!!!! J/K

[jtkirk00]

Ha! I haven't downloaded any pictures from the show yet, but these are the best I have right now. Planning on a better photoshoot in the near future.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/05/1963Impala-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/1963Impala7-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/1963Impala3-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/1963Impala5-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/1963Impala6-1.jpg

[jtkirk00]

The car really doesn't require much at all, but I will want to do a few things to it:

- Has front discs but will want to probably go larger and all around
- Transmission swap from PG to 350/200R4/700R4
- Update exhaust
- New wheels -- having a tough time with this one, but leaning towards Rocket Racing Booster in chrome either 18/18 or 18/20 (other ideas welcome!)
- A few cosmetic things here and there

[nekkidhillbilly]

look at buicks

[BirdsThaWord]

look at buicks
:screwy: Why? He already bought a car!
jtkirk00: Congrats on the show! Man you scored a super nice ride!!! No Buicks needed there!

[jy211]

Congrats! Go larger on the wheels though. 19/20, 20/20 or maybe a 20/22. The imp's have large fenders that can tuck wheels.....

[jtkirk00]

Thanks guys! I plan on seeing just how large I can go on wheel size (diameter and width) without making too many modifications. My concern with 20+ is rideability and also the quality of roads in Northern Virginia. We've got lots of pot holes!

I need to post something to the wheel section to get some more ideas. Would love to get something 'shopped to see what various wheel types and sizes would look like.

Oh yeah, the wheels on the car currently are 15" American Racing TTs.

[f-body]

What would I do with $15K. I could finish one of my 74 Camaros if I did all the work myself.

Congrats on the Impala. My friend has a 61 bubble top buts its more nostalgia, its tubbed with a 4 link ,9inch ford rearend, a 454 with a th400 and a brake and a cage. Its a fun cruiser for local stuff, car shows a cruise here and there. He is building a 454, Merlin rectangular port heads and 6-71 blower for it now. He has another 61 bubble top we are replacing floor pans on and it has some rust issues. I am learning how much effort goes into cars when they get built or repaired. I know how much work my 74 needs and l think i could get it just about done for $15K.