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SicMonte
03-30-2011, 04:47 AM
QUICK QUESTION...

The seats I have do not have a spereate hole for anti-sub belts. Do I need to run anti-sub belts for events like RTTH/RTTC/RTTS etc and if I do is it ok if they come up around the bottom of the seat?
NOT A TA
03-30-2011, 05:40 AM
Are you installing the Kirkeys or the stock seats with a harness? Coming up around doesn't allow the harness to function properly and might be less effective in a crash than a stock seatbelt. Check your PM
SicMonte
03-30-2011, 07:00 AM
The seats I have in the car now are these type of seats...

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS+Performance+Products/555/70240/10002/-1

I have not put the Kirkey's in the car yet. I have the G-Force Pro harnesses in the car now and have been using it as a four point harness with the seats. There is no whole in the seat to allow an anti-sub belt to properly come thru. Once I install the Kirkey's this issue will be solved but until then I am stuck with the black sport seats.
GrabberGT
03-30-2011, 10:48 AM
I've been wondering this myself. Can you add a sub belt hole to seats that do not come with it? I rode in the DSE cars at Goodguys a couple weekends ago and felt the 4-point harness was a little odd with the lap belt riding up when the shoulders are tightened down. It may not have been too bad had I taken more time to adjust but I dont think I could have gotten it to feel completely right with any amnt of adjusting. I also rode in the Gateway Performance Mustang which had the 5-point belts. It felt soo much more secure.
parsonsj
03-30-2011, 12:44 PM
and if I do is it ok if they come up around the bottom of the seat?In a word: no.

For more information, have a look here:

http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/docs/Competition_Instructions.pdf
SicMonte
03-30-2011, 07:17 PM
so....is it better to just use the four point harness with the Jegs seats...or to cutr those seats up and make a hole for the anti-sub belt?
neki67
03-31-2011, 12:47 AM
Google "Schroth ASM"
GrabberGT
03-31-2011, 06:36 AM
So if I am reading correctly (just a quick scan really), to get a sub-belt style system without having to use a sub-belt hole, just go to a 6-point harness. The sub-belts can mount to the same mounts as the lap belt and come over the side of the seat.
Vegas69
03-31-2011, 06:41 AM
If you get your lap belt nice and tight first, it will glue you to the seat. I'm in the same position. Sparco's with no hole. I tried running the sub belt over the seat front and it did help. I just don't want the seat wear. As has been said, it's not the safest route but it will keep you from moving around on the track.
parsonsj
03-31-2011, 09:31 AM
So if I am reading correctly (just a quick scan really), to get a sub-belt style system without having to use a sub-belt hole, just go to a 6-point harness. The sub-belts can mount to the same mounts as the lap belt and come over the side of the seat.Yes. That can be true, depending on lots of factors.

jp