Anyone ever deal with Harwells Motors in TX

[lutzy]

Was looking into buying a car From John Ray over at Harwells Motor. Was looking to get a little feedback from someone that has dealt with them. Im not sure if this is the right place to ask this question so let me know...

[rockytopper]

I am local to them near by anyway but I have not personally dealt with them. They seem to sale alot of cars. They are always advertizing in the local craigslist. I was told by a friend that they are also an autobody shop as well as a dealer. I notice that almost every thing in there show room has the entire bottom covered with heavy under coat. I certainly would not buy from them site unseen. Again I have not dealt with them and I have nothing negative to say other than I would want to see their rides in person before I purchased or traded with them based solely on my observations. There is certainly nothing wrong with undercoat but sometimes it is used to hide the obivious. They could be real honest folks or not.

[SOM1969]

i bought my camaro from J.R there at harwell. i believe we both got what we wanted from my trade in to his camaro. he was a great guy to deal with at the time. they have alot of cars there but definatly put em on a lift and check em over. they are all old cars that harwell really doesnt know anything about. btw i have a 69 camaro for sale;) pm me with any questions. im in ft worth tx.

[tommycomfort]

I don't like to say anything negative about any business, but here's my experience. My buddy absolutely wanted a 65 Chevelle convertible and had a 69 Camaro he was selling. After many phone calls and picture exchanges they worked out a deal. My wife has family not too far from there so we agreed to take the Camaro down and pick up the Chevelle. My stomach absolutely turned when I saw the Chevelle. I still feel horrible that I didn't call my buddy immediately and tell him the deal, but I figured he knew what he was getting in to. Of course, that wasn't the case at all. Once I dropped the Chevelle off to him he immediately called Harwell and tried to undo the trade but they weren't having anything to do with that. He even offered to pay shipping both ways again and throw money at the deal, but again they just gave him the buyer beware speech. Lesson #1 never buy a car like that site unseen. My gut feeling when I picked it up was the whole operation was slimy from the sales people to the guys in the back "detailing" cars.
Just my opinion from personal experience. PM me and I will gladly put you in touch with my buddy.
Tom

[absintheisfun]

I've never even heard of them, and they are right up the street from me (About 30-45 min). I would gladly go and check any cars out for you and get some pics.

There is a company close by where I got my Typhoon called Stone motor, and while they are a little high on their prices they are very friendly and easy going about letting you crawl all over their vehicles.

Let me know if there is a particular vehicle there you want me to go check out.

[gearheads78]

I have never been there or delt with anyone there. My opinion is they seem to have some decent mid priced cars for people looking for projects that are not complete basket cases. I do think they are all doctored up for the pictures and I would highly suggest seeing a car from them in person and on a rack before purchase.

[lutzy]

I've never even heard of them, and they are right up the street from me (About 30-45 min). I would gladly go and check any cars out for you and get some pics.

There is a company close by where I got my Typhoon called Stone motor, and while they are a little high on their prices they are very friendly and easy going about letting you crawl all over their vehicles.

Let me know if there is a particular vehicle there you want me to go check out.

I appreciate the kind offer..thats very nice of you. I'll let you know. You guys are great :)

[Michael]

I have been dealing with Harwell Motors for years and John and his staff have always been very honest and forthcoming. They list all their cars for sale with pics top to bottom and even list what does and not work on them which is rare with most dealers. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.

[lutzy]

Hey Michael..PM me your phone number..kinda funny how you have 1 post on here and your chiming in on the matter. I rather talk to you on the phone about your dealings with them...

[garickman]

I have been dealing with Harwell Motors for years and John and his staff have always been very honest and forthcoming. They list all their cars for sale with pics top to bottom and even list what does and not work on them which is rare with most dealers. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.

I have never dealt with them, in fact I have never even heard of Harwell Motors. However, look at the last picture in this link.

http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-cars/1969/pontiac/firebird-convertible/223679u606118

If this business was "always very honest and forthcoming" shouldn't this description read "we have pop riveted some replacement floor patches directly over the original rotted and rusted floor pans. Don't worry, we didn't even bother to cut out the rusty portion but we did go ahead and spray a $3.00 can of undercoating we picked up from our local auto parts store. Looks good right! The best thing is, on our way to the parts store, we passed by a scrap metal yard and picked up a bent piece of 1X3 rectangle tube and rusty piece of angle iron which we were able to fabricate into some really trick subframe connectors."

I would really look these cars over very very carefully and know exactly what you are buying.

[absintheisfun]

I have never dealt with them, in fact I have never even heard of Harwell Motors. However, look at the last picture in this link.

http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-cars/1969/pontiac/firebird-convertible/223679u606118

If this business was "always very honest and forthcoming" shouldn't this description read "we have pop riveted some replacement floor patches directly over the original rotted and rusted floor pans. Don't worry, we didn't even bother to cut out the rusty portion but we did go ahead and spray a $3.00 can of undercoating we picked up from our local auto parts store. Looks good right! The best thing is, on our way to the parts store, we passed by a scrap metal yard and picked up a bent piece of 1X3 rectangle tube and rusty piece of angle iron which we were able to fabricate into some really trick subframe connectors."


EEK!--looks a bit unsafe! :drive2:

Here is the description:
Harwell Motors is proud to offer this great deal on a great classic muscle cars. the floors have been patched and it will need a new trunk pan. For more information call us....
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[lutzy]

Yeah I decided to stay away. I found a car elsewhere. Hopefully it will be here next week. I cant risk taking a chance from a company that has so many complaints and uses photo shop to doctor up engine pictures...reputation means everything these days...thanks for all the imput..now im ready to do some projects on my car as soon as I get it...

[dhutton]

Those are not subframe connectors. They are bracing installed to keep that car from folding in half due to rotted rockers.

[vintageracer]

My comments in the this thread are NOT directed at the person who started the thread just my observations of what I see time and time again of collector car/hobby car buyers in general.

Why are so many buyers are so happy and quick to make a long distance deal on a car they have NEVER seen in person and then seal the deal by SENDING MONEY to buy that sight unseen car? Not a damn one of those people would buy a new car that way where you have a known quanity (new car) of what they are buying yet they cannot wait to pull the trigger on some old car because it "looks good in the pictures and the seller says it's good". The BUYER deserves what he gets!

EVERYONE who buy's sight unseen says they do so because they do not have the time to go look personally. That' BS! This is America and you don't not have to do much of anything if you do not want to. Somebody or some agency will utlimately support your lazy butt. The reality is that "sight unseen" buyers are NOT UNABLE to go look at the car in person they are UNWILLING to go and look at the car in person. Yes looking at cars involves time and money. So does trying to re-sell that piece of trash you bought SIGHT UNSEEN!

The average old car buyer is buying their dream and therefore are not in the business of buying and selling old cars everyday and therefore are at a significant disadvantage buying sight unseen from anyone dealer or individual. What I find puzzling is that when buying long distance everyone wants to negotiate the deal on the car BEFORE they even see the car. How stupid is that? Yes I know I want to know what the car will cost before I get there. How can you negotiate on something you have never seen? Once again LAZINESS has set in!

To the guy who traded on a long distance deal WITHOUT traveling to look at the car personally I would not give you your money back either. You the buyer chose to make the deal since you hold the money and the only 2 people who REALLY know what was said and agreed to were the buyer and the seller. Nobody wants to tell their buddies they made a stupid deal and got the short end of the stick. Rest assured you DID NOT get the whole and correct story about that deal.

Concerning the car pictured above with holes in the floors and "subframe connnectors". Most sellers of project or edgy cars bought them that way. They did not do the work. They got stuck with it so they are going to stick the next guy with the car. UNFORTUNATELY that seem's to be the American way these days!

I have bought LOT'S of cars sight unseen. I just bought one 2 weeks ago in California. I have done this enough to know how to ask LOT'S of questions and pester the seller for detailed photo's. I have done well buying sight unseen cars but that certainly is not the norm. When I have a real question about the car and seller's story I find a friend nearby to go look a the car personally or I just pass on the car.

Whenever I hear about a bad "sight unseen" deal from a buyer I always take their experience with a BIG grain of salt (in one ear and out the other) as all I ever hear is one side of the transaction (buyer's) and that's the guy who THINKS he got screwed! The moral of this story is that airfare tickets are cheap, most sellers will pick you up at the airport or meet you when you drive to see the car. Be WILLING to spend the time and money needed to go look at the long distance car purchase you desire or just go find another car closer to home that meets your needs that you really CAN AND WILL go look at!

[buickfunnycar.com]

Man...if I was trying to deceive the public,I wouldn't show the underside of my cars,lol....

[gearheads78]

I have been dealing with Harwell Motors for years and John and his staff have always been very honest and forthcoming. They list all their cars for sale with pics top to bottom and even list what does and not work on them which is rare with most dealers. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.

Wow 1 post. I'm going to be sure to take your advise


I have never dealt with them, in fact I have never even heard of Harwell Motors. However, look at the last picture in this link.

http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-cars/1969/pontiac/firebird-convertible/223679u606118

If this business was "always very honest and forthcoming" shouldn't this description read "we have pop riveted some replacement floor patches directly over the original rotted and rusted floor pans. Don't worry, we didn't even bother to cut out the rusty portion but we did go ahead and spray a $3.00 can of undercoating we picked up from our local auto parts store. Looks good right! The best thing is, on our way to the parts store, we passed by a scrap metal yard and picked up a bent piece of 1X3 rectangle tube and rusty piece of angle iron which we were able to fabricate into some really trick subframe connectors."

I would really look these cars over very very carefully and know exactly what you are buying.


Those are not subframe connectors. They are bracing installed to keep that car from folding in half due to rotted rockers.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Thats a doctored up $5000.00 rust bucket.

[L8869]

Hey guys, my name is John Ray and I am the owner of Harwell Motor Company. We are a classic car dealership, not a body shop. I have been a member here for awhile but have not posted a lot, mainly bought parts/cars from here. I would like to clarify something before everyone jumps all over us for having a classic car with rust issues. We do not build cars, restore cars or paint cars but simply sell cars. We try to offer fair prices on drivers. If they have issues we offer pictures and clearly state in every ad to call us and we will be happy to give a complete description, including the bad. We do not try to cover up anything or else we would not clearly show pics of the issues. Everyone's price range is different and most people do not have money to buy a fully restored, perfect car. That is where we come in. I will also be the first to say that we have not pleased everyone (IE Tommycomforts friend, but remember there are always 3 sides to every story) but we have been in business for 15 years selling 500-600 cars a year and have a very good track record. We welcome people to come by anytime, call and ask any questions they may have and we always try to help in any way we can.

FYI we never use undercoat, but if we get in a car with undercoating we also do not remove it.

And I always suggest for people to inspect any car in person and to look underneath, that should be a given with any classic cars.

[garickman]

Hey guys, my name is John Ray and I am the owner of Harwell Motor Company. We are a classic car dealership, not a body shop. I have been a member here for awhile but have not posted a lot, mainly bought parts/cars from here. I would like to clarify something before everyone jumps all over us for having a classic car with rust issues. We do not build cars, restore cars or paint cars but simply sell cars. We try to offer fair prices on drivers. If they have issues we offer pictures and clearly state in every ad to call us and we will be happy to give a complete description, including the bad. We do not try to cover up anything or else we would not clearly show pics of the issues. Everyone's price range is different and most people do not have money to buy a fully restored, perfect car. That is where we come in. I will also be the first to say that we have not pleased everyone (IE Tommycomforts friend, but remember there are always 3 sides to every story) but we have been in business for 15 years selling 500-600 cars a year and have a very good track record. We welcome people to come by anytime, call and ask any questions they may have and we always try to help in any way we can.

FYI we never use undercoat, if we get in a car with undercoating we also do not remove it.

John,

I am one of the members who posted a not so nice post. However, I must give you credit for coming onto a somewhat negative thread about your business and clarifying your position. I will be the first to say you are absolutly correct in stating that are three sides to every story and we are only hearing it from one side. I myself would be a bit more forthcoming in some of the descriptions of the vehicles you have in your inventory but I do realize that you do post alot of pictures and ultimatley it is up to the buyers to ask questions. I am man enough to offer you an apology if it appears that I was assuming that your business did the work on these cars.

[L8869]

Thank you very much. We really prefer talking to our customers because so many things can be misconstrued otherwise. We have no problem explaining everything but it can be best done with talking person to person. Anyway I mainly wanted to clarify and let everyone know we are happy to help if anyone ever needs anything.

[gearheads78]

John,

I am one of the members who posted a not so nice post. However, I must give you credit for coming onto a somewhat negative thread about your business and clarifying your position. I will be the first to say you are absolutly correct in stating that are three sides to every story and we are only hearing it from one side. I myself would be a bit more forthcoming in some of the descriptions of the vehicles you have in your inventory but I do realize that you do post alot of pictures and ultimatley it is up to the buyers to ask questions. I am man enough to offer you an apology if it appears that I was assuming that your business did the work on these cars.

I also say that says a lot to me that you are willing to come on here and a negative thread head on. Props to you Mr Ray.

[absintheisfun]

I also say that says a lot to me that you are willing to come on here and a negative thread head on. Props to you Mr Ray.

I'll second that statement! You seem like a stand up guy. I hope out comments weren't too rough. It was a bit shocking seeing that firebird though, as the rest of your cars look pretty good.

[TXGTS]

On the Firebird... It looks like a square tube frame connector on drivers side and a piece of angle iron on the other. The Firebired seems reasonably priced for what the pictures show.

[L8869]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the words. The firebird is no cream puff for sure and needs some TLC but is being sold that way. The first guy that came and looked at it in person put a deposit down on it. One thing I have found in the years of doing this is that one guys trash is another mans treasure. Again I do appreciate the kind words and if any of you every need anything please don't hesitate to contact me.

[rockytopper]

Hey guys, my name is John Ray and I am the owner of Harwell Motor Company. We are a classic car dealership, not a body shop. I have been a member here for awhile but have not posted a lot, mainly bought parts/cars from here. I would like to clarify something before everyone jumps all over us for having a classic car with rust issues. We do not build cars, restore cars or paint cars but simply sell cars. We try to offer fair prices on drivers. If they have issues we offer pictures and clearly state in every ad to call us and we will be happy to give a complete description, including the bad. We do not try to cover up anything or else we would not clearly show pics of the issues. Everyone's price range is different and most people do not have money to buy a fully restored, perfect car. That is where we come in. I will also be the first to say that we have not pleased everyone (IE Tommycomforts friend, but remember there are always 3 sides to every story) but we have been in business for 15 years selling 500-600 cars a year and have a very good track record. We welcome people to come by anytime, call and ask any questions they may have and we always try to help in any way we can.

FYI we never use undercoat, but if we get in a car with undercoating we also do not remove it.

And I always suggest for people to inspect any car in person and to look underneath, that should be a given with any classic cars.

My bad guess you guys aren't related I guess. His name is John Ray too. He adverised as a paint and body shop. Just Coincidence I guess?

http://www.autobodyshop-repair.com/AutoBodyShop/John-Ray-Harwell-Collision-Ctr-Denton-TX-197388.htm

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3137

http://www.rateyourmechanics.com/viewBusiness.php?businessId=231347

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/texas-members/1020879-stumbled-across-muscle-car-dealership.html

http://www.dmv.com/directory/texas/denton/harwell-motor-co-504-n-mayhill-rd-a

[Slammit]

I'm thinking Harwell Collision Center in Denton has the same owner as Harwell Motors in Sherman.
I suppose one could say Harwell Motors is a "Dealership".
And I suppose one could say Harwell Collision Center is a "Collision Center" (body shop).

Far be it from me to suggest these two 'independent companies' would ever collaborate on a little more than where to meet for lunch.

If I called myself reputable as a dealer - a car with angle iron and box beam welded in as a 'preventative measure' to keep the car body from collapsing in on itself at highway speeds...and a floor pan that looks like crap.........would NEVER be allowed to be sold without proper framework/body repairs.
I don't care if Harwell bought it that way or not - it would not be SOLD under my name under those conditions. Hello?.......
Who am I...I only dream of owning a dealership, body shop and dozens of collector cars to play with.....what could I know....

[L8869]

I owned a collision shop about 5-6 years ago in Denton before selling it. Even then it was a separate business. And just FYI if you see a listing for a business on the internet does not mean you put it up. And I can assure you we are 100% car dealership not body shop. And as far as what you would or would not do if you had a dealership is your opinion and I respect that. When you invest the money, time and hard work into one you can earn the right to run it how you see fit. Tough crowd.

[Slammit]

I respect juussst about anyone who successfully runs a business. And it can be a tough crowd based on the number of horror stories generated by the results of accidents caused and loss of poor investing in vehicles that look great - but structurally look like the one in this thread.

Those are the kinds of stories too few are interested in what lies beneath the paint, unfortunately. But when a preventable accident occurs due to lack of structural integrity, or a car crumbles in on itself is when it can become quite the legal nightmare for business. Why would anyone from the business side take those risks?

[lutzy]

Can I ask you John why you photoshop all the pictures of your engine compartments? also when I called and spoke to you about a car, you told me that you were doing the body work and painting yourself in shop..your contradicting yourself now..

[legendary1]

They sell more lemons that a farmers market.

[derekf]

legendary1, if you have a legit beef with them - if you bought a car and it was misrepresented or something along those lines, post up in the "Feedback" section, which is under the "Marketplace" section (but please do read the rules of that section first):


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On the other hand, if you're just repeating what you heard from someone else, then that sort of feedback is exactly what we're trying to not have.

[Gitter Dun]

I have seen many cars listed on ebay by this company and have wondered how he could sell them so cheap.

Just because he has come forth and has been honest doesn't mean anything to me. IMO it just makes it easier for him to sell junk and say,"woops, didn't see that, sorry".

Remember, this guy is a business man trying to make a buck in a failing economy. The cars I have seen listed by this company look way to clean on the outside, are going for way to cheap, and he seems to have no short supply. Something doesn't jive to me but thats just my opinion.

[BirdsThaWord]

I have seen many cars listed on ebay by this company and have wondered how he could sell them so cheap.

Just because he has come forth and has been honest doesn't mean anything to me. IMO it just makes it easier for him to sell junk and say,"woops, didn't see that, sorry".

Remember, this guy is a business man trying to make a buck in a failing economy. The cars I have seen listed by this company look way to clean on the outside, are going for way to cheap, and he seems to have no short supply. Something doesn't jive to me but thats just my opinion.
Well put. My thoughts exactly. I've looked at a lot of their ads and wondered what kind of special effects filters they were using on their cameras (pretty cool!). All of the complaints I've read tell me they have many pigs wearing lipstick to choose from. "COME ON DOWN"!

[SHYBOY]

Ok guys. I am a newbie... I bought a car from them today ( 51 Ford convertible).. Deposit only. I found these threads on Google and you have really helped me with the various threads and warnings. I'm in California and arranged for a local to look at the car with a mechanic... So far so good.. Sales manager was great and pointed out most of the stuff I intend to have checked... Really happy so far... No "sleaze" at all.. I will let you know more in a few days. This site really helped.

[69cortezsilver]

now i know what to do with that angle iron laying around in my garage.....

[SRD art]

I'm a little late getting into this thread. I did a bunch of design work for John and Harwell over the last year and they were honest and up front with me. As a designer I felt I never got taken advantage of or was ever asked to do something and not gotten paid for it even if they decided to try a totally different design than the one we had originally spent time developing. They took very good care of me. After dealing with them on a professional basis I would have no qualms buying a car from them, after I checked it out in person to make sure it was what I expected of course.

When I asked how do they sell cars so cheap I was told these aren't meticulous restorations that are worth $100K but rather running projects or daily drivers that are not much different than what a lot of us have in the garage. I got the feeling they try to buy cars that are as nice as they can pick up and resell that an average guy can ultimately afford. With the prices listed, seeing some occasional small flaws in photos and seeing a list of what works and doesn't, I would anticipate that with these guys you get what you pay for. If you want a $40K car you can't see a $15K price tag and expect it to be as nice as a $40K car. If you buy one from them that has a $40K price tag it will be worth that much.

I think a lot of us do-it-yourselfers often forget that businesses like this or shops that work on the cars are just that, businesses. A business is set up to make a profit. No idea what Harwell or any other muscle car dealer's profit margin is, but I know sometimes we think, "Oh that's a rip off I could build that for $2-3000 less than what they're asking." Well that's great but they're not in business to compete with do it yourselfers working in their garages every evening, they're in the business to provide a good start for someone's next project or provide a daily driver non show queen, often for those who can't build a car themselves. Just something to consider.

OK, that's my .02 for the day. :)

[lutzy]

So I happen to be looking at some 1969 camaros on ebay when I stumbled across one..I started looking at the engine pic's and I said to myself..wow those looked photo shopped..sure enough I looked up the phone number on the ad and it came up as Harwell motors..If they need to photo shop the pic's, WHAT else are they trying to hide??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-Clone-Built-400-Buckets-Console-Muncie-4-spd-Wheels-/220863050049?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item336c76b141

[lutzy]

Oh..and their phone number comes up with multiple business names..pretty shady!
940-300-9644

[Mr. Anderson]

What exactly is it you think looks photoshopped?

[Tony_SS]

I sold a set of wheels/tires to John... he wired the money into my acct and I shipped them a few days later.. good, honest transaction. IMO, only an honest guy is willing to wire a stranger over a grand and expect to get what he paid for.

[JEFFTATE]

I'm gonna say this about buying a used car , any used car .
Everyone on here , pretty much , is a car enthusiast with enough sense to spot rust ,bondo , bad wiring , etc ...
The used car market ( musclecars , and vintage cars included ) is buyer beware ..
No one can take all the risk out of the transaction for you .
You are all grown men , so take responsibilty for you own actions .
No one is twisting your arm to buy a car from anyone ..
If the car isn't worth what the seller is asking for it , don't buy it ..
It doesn't mean the seller is trying to take you for a ride , the seller is just trying to sell a car .

[lutzy]

What exactly is it you think looks photoshopped?

You tell me what you think about just a few of his pictures and let me know...
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Here's another story of his dealings:
http://www.oldride.com/answers/1108403567.html?t=492102

i just bought a $30,000 ,70 chevelle ss 454 big block , they claimed the car was show quality , i just received it 2 days ago , i was so upset , all the posted pics was retouch ,or photoshoped ,i couldn't beleive my eyes !!!!!!!!!!
this is a $1500 paint job !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
worst car i ever bought !!! mike answer me that the car is hot and i won't have any problem to sell it on ebay !!
i'm asking for my money back ,full refund !! i dont want this junk in my garage !!! the color looks completely different,that the one in the pictures !! horrriiibbbllleee color and paint job !!
rear tray is completely ript ,crack and damage , all the glasses are damaged and scratched ,crack in the driver headrest ,dash been respray with a high gloss can ,horrible !!!!!!!
same for the wheels ,same for everythig about this car !!!not one good thing about this car !!!!!!!!!!!!
dont ever buy a car over there !!!!!!!!!!!!!
please go on their web site , my car still on it ,look at it , who will not beleive this a barrett jackson quality car ??!!
total junk !!!!!!!!!!!
this is a $14000 to $17000 car maximum !!! that they sold me at $30,000 pure scam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
look at those pics i posted ,i swear to god ,the car looks nothing notjing absolutely nothing like it !!!!!!!!
sources: i've been in contact with mike at harwell motors
posted: June 2, 2011

[Tony_SS]

Sorry but those photos are NOT misleading.

I like where the guy says "They sold it to me...."

NO - YOU bought it at $30k! No one forced you not to fly down and look at a 30k car in person before you bought it.

[Mr. Anderson]

Is that above quote from that foreign guy who bought the car and tried to raise holy hell about the deal? There is a LOT of fishy stuff going on with his story.

Either way, the photos aren't altered...they are filtered maybe to make the colors pop better. They are good pictures. If you think the engine and other things are photoshopped.....every car they sell gets the undercarriage painted black, the engines rattle canned, and a lot of the underhood sheetmetal gets another coat of black. It isn't fake. It isn't a misrepresentation. If the engine in a car has 150,000 original miles on it then a coat of paint shouldnt make you trust it more. If anything, I'd rather have a run down drivetrain that looks nice, and is then clean when I go to fix it.

[Lowone]

I bought a 66 nova with a 454 last June. I personally spoke with John, he does seem like a nice car guy over the phone but was hesitant to communicate in e-mail I guess so you cant track it or hold him to his word. On the paint he said it need to be wet sanded and buff when car showed up the paint had been sanded and buff so much in spots it was down to the color below and did not help the cracked sun dried paint at all. OK I can deal with that. Right? Then I asked about rust John said there was two small rust holes on the front sub-frame he would have fix so I'm like ok. when the car gets here no one wants to touch it because the front sub-frame is brittle because its so rusted, the whole subframe need to be replaced. Ok so I find another sub-frame. While replacing the sub-frame I have to pull the motor right? Well the advertised motor is a 454, the motor in the car is a worthless boat anchor 402. So I call them today they asked me politely not to call back because Harwell is out of business and they are Classic Car Liquidators now. So John I 'm calling you out here and I would like to hear what you have to say. If you were a stand up guy you would have at least talked to me on the phone today and stood up for your company.

[Gitter Dun]

I fricken knew it. What a scum bag!!

[ZXT]

I'm sorry to bring up an old thread, but if you buy a car without looking at it, you are an idiot, and i have no sympathy for you..

People are saying the pictures are photoshopped... Apparently it isn't possible to have a clean or detailed engine this day in time. I guess that means that photos of the engines in my cars would be considered photoshopped because they have paint on them.

I have also found that the people saying that the cars they bought from harwell/classic car liquidators were **** lack the ability to use correct punctuation, and use !!!!!!!! after every word, which leads me to believe that you are uneducated.. Probably why you bought a car sight unseen, and didn't study the photos.

As for you, Lowone, They probably didn't check the numbers on the engine and were told that it was a 454. I would actually rather have a 402 over a 454. 402's are good engines (Pretty much a 396), and you deserve what you got because you see it as a "Worthless boat anchor".

Anyways, Good day.


Now, all of you immature people are going to have a fit because i "only have one post" which obviously makes me uneducated about life.