Styles that are in fashion when big names do them...

[jp455]

...and are not, or even mocked, when an individual does them. Is it just me or does this seem to happen fairly often? An individual will try something, get booed out of the room, and then some big name celebrity or company does the same exact same thing and gets applauded. I seem to see this type of thing over and over. Is it just me??

[Dukes69]

example?

[CHILI442]

Like Chip Foose shaving the door handles, marker lights, and removing the outside mirrors?

[LateNight72]

Don't think this thread will last too long...

[sik68]

Like a meat bikini?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

yes... just like a meat bikini.

[Nessumsar]

A lupus filled meat bikini, yum!

[ratman67]

Like a meat bikini?

i'm getting hungry aleady

[jp455]

haha! Well I doubt the meat bikini will catch on regardless. What I mean is things like Vince Vaughns Mustang. The stacks poking through the hood were always considered in bad taste or dragster only at the most. Now its all the rage and everyone loves them. Or we could even go as far as the pro touring style. Before it was mostly people on this forum and like minded individuals that liked the style with not much thought given by others regarding performance muscle cars. Now that a famous person is doing it its all over the wire and people love it. Its as if unless a concept has its own xbox game and Mountain Dew commercial it gets no attention, and thats what annoys me, the general opinion about whether a style looks good or not is all about marketing.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

yea to all that, but what about a Flesh Maillot?

[brownz]

Like Chip Foose shaving the door handles, marker lights, and removing the outside mirrors?

the first person that came to mind

[lvrpool32]

Well looking at some (and sadly for me, maybe even the majority!!) of the cars at SEMA, fashion and bad taste seem to go hand in hand!.
Like any fashion, it is expanded and expanded until it looks bloated and barely recognizeable to what the original was. Some will say thats its the development of a theme, but I think back to cars like "Big Red" and then see some of these over wheeled, over lowered, over produced, overly intricate cars that somebody sticks the "pro-touring" logo on and shake my head as I am convinced I am just seeing full size recreations of "Dub Muscle Machines" I see in Toys'r'Us.

[jp455]

Thats sort of what I mean...although in your example its a perversion as it were of an idea that started off well, then just became crap. What I'm talking about is just as bad...a good idea that never got any merit on its own until it became over-bloated crap and then people noticed it from the very beginning. The damn thing never even got a chance to be a good idea on its own! Kinda makes me wonder though, if it only gets noticed when its over hyped and over produced, was it a good idea in the first place?

Sorry guys. Just annoyed at all the super promoted junk that gets credit out there while good ideas get overlooked. It seems like more and more places like SEMA are a gathering of trends rather than a collection of good ideas. Don´t get me wrong, there certainly are several great ideas there, but it always seems like themes repeat themselves. Flat colors are in? Lets ALL do a flat painted car! Flashy painted rims? Ditto. etc etc. Whatever happened to Bold design? I can even extend this to the big car producers. Remember when Corvette models were REALLY different model to model?

Anyway...rant over. Lets get back to our usually scheduled programing.

[Boyd]

Vince Vaughn? When did he start building cars? Did you mean Vaughn Gittin Jr?

[jp455]

Yeah sorry about that...brain freeze on the Vaughn part.

[DarkBuddha]

The stacks poking through the hood were always considered in bad taste or dragster only at the most. Now its all the rage and everyone loves them.
No, IMHO, stacks sticking out of the hood has always been cool. Same thing with blowers, zoomies, sidepipes, rake, and deep dish'd wheels, as long as they're not caricatures.

But let's face it, the RTRX Mustang is a bit overdone (I'm still in awe of the thing though!). Seems like most of those SEMA cars are overdone to some degree, which ultimately results in them being more fashion than style. Basically, even if the ideas are good in basis, going too far or overdoing can create a sense of bad taste.

[jp455]

What Im saying is that WE consider those things cool, heck I even put stacks just like that in my project render! What I meant was that in general people outside of this forum or places like this view those things in bad taste or whatever, but the moment they start getting a whole bunch of press...voila, theyre are the coolest thing ever. THAT is what annoys the heck out of me. These things have been around for a while, and nobody gave them a second look...but noowww since its a hip company doing the sponsoring and know person showing it off then its ok.

[BonzoHansen]

...and are not, or even mocked, when an individual does them. Is it just me or does this seem to happen fairly often? An individual will try something, get booed out of the room, and then some big name celebrity or company does the same exact same thing and gets applauded. I seem to see this type of thing over and over. Is it just me??

I'm kind of thinking that is how we ended up with 20"+ wheels.

[jp455]

Exactly! There is NO need for 20 in rims on a performance car...especially with ones like ours that already have small wheel wells to begin with and will end up with even less suspension travel. Bad ideas for sure become more mainstream when highly publicized but thing is, even the good ideas get put down until a big name does them. Basically it seems to me like all ideas bad or good have no merit until the marketing machine gets hold of it...or someone famous blogs/twitters about it.

[Taman]

When you have money dripping out of your rear, it seems that's when the ridiculous fashions start. The final project may look crazy, but some of the work used to kill the final outcome, can be used. Who knows, in 10 years people may be laughing at pro touring cars like they do at the 70's vans and side pipes and wild graphics.

[tazzz25906112]

You're probably somewhat right Taman, the only thing that makes me think that they most likely won't end up in that category is that most the serious builds have been done in the direction of a luxurious "Trans AM series" street car... The series was a big part of many of our lives (45-60 demographic) and was one of the most successful racing series ever broadcast.... Heck look at what a documented series car goes for in today's dollars and my point get somewhat reinforced.....

There is no doubt that the styling and wheel choices will change somewhat,,,, but the suspensions, brakes, drive-line improvements, and shorter sidewalls will prove to be pretty tough to shift away from given it's effects on just how fast we're pushing these car at events.... Politically correct moves/society will further force these cars onto close courses & auto-cross type environments and hence the popularity of these events (and the pro-touring cars) will only increase as time marches on in my opinion....

[Ron L]

Step 1: Mention ricers

Step 2: ???

Step 3: 41980

[WS6]

Didn't Steve Chryssos make a similar thread right after SEMA a couple years back?

[DynoDon]

I think your thread title tends to give a little insight into the perceived problem. "Styles that are in fashion when big names do them... " Styles and in fashion - people that are concerned with what style is in fashion have ALWAYS followed what Big names do, whether it be clothing, interior decorating, Hair do's, or cars. As soon as big names or magazines jump on the band wagon these things become Cool - up to that point small minds belittle what average people do and then followed the trend like sheep when it becomes the trend, in which case the leaders have already moved on or held true to the original design as the trendsters spin it out of control by going over the top.

[jp455]

Yup...I think you just totally nailed it by describing it like that!

[cluxford]

In my business we have a saying "when it's obvious it's too late". We are talking about innovation. By the time everyone is doing it, it's no longer innovative, by the time most people see it, understand it and value it, it's not different as they all see it and catch on at the same time. When it's really cool and different most people don't see it or understand it.

The simple question is do you like to be different and innovative (ahead of the curve) or do you like to be the same as everyone else.

The headline "famous" are for the most part not the innovators (exceptions to every rule by the way, Rad Rides is an exception) but the marketing companies that jump on a bandwagon are simply fast followers, they mass produce innovation, which in turn commoditises it so it's no longer innovation (or different), commoditisation happens when everyone wants one !!