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autoxcuda
10-04-2010, 03:11 PM
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I've been helping/bugging with Milodon on a small block Mopar pro touring/high capacity-stock height/road race pans similar to the other road race pans they make. Like the big block Mopar one they offer, pn 31580. Many people use that big block road race pan on their HiPo street cars to get a pan that does not go past their K-member and get smashed, but still has increased capacity and advanced oil control. This pan is actually a little shorter than even a stock pan for ultimate low ground clearance situations!!

It just took about 2 years of needling Milodon to do this, so I want to get the word out and support thier efforts. I see a lots of lowered cars with deep pans just waiting to get smashed loose all their oil.

These 318/340 and 360 pans just came out last Friday and available NOW!: http://www.milodon.com/oil-pans/road-race-oil-pans.asp

One of the requirements I felt for this new pan was fitting A-bodies as well as B and E bodies. And the toughest requirement was fitting the super-duper tight 73-76 A-body spool K-member. The spool motor mounts create a wall of K-member right down the bottom of the pan. So we tested the pan extensively with a 73-76 K-member with full steering linkage. TTI headers and header that go behind the steering linkage will not be a fitment problem. Just fitting the pan to E and B bodies would have been easy, but the A’s would be left out.

Of note: The current issue Mopar Muscle Magazine 427cid stroker small block by AndyF (AR Engineering) was tested in Tim Werner’s red 68 Valiant hitting 130+ at Portland International Raceway’s road course. The Valiant and motor could keep up with new Z06 Corvettes until motor’s new custom Charlies oil pan lost oil pressure and they had to go home early. AndyF was about to make pan himself, but I told him to wait for the new Milodon SB pan and one is on its way to Oregon right now.

I have also ran dry on oil in my Barracuda with a just a stock pan at the track. My car was not anywhere near as fast as Tim’s 68 Valiant. Stock small block pans have NO BAFFLING whatsoever. Most big block Mopar HP and a lot of non HP pans have some baffling front and rear. None for any small block, ever. My new 416 stroker SB WILL have this new Milodon SB pan.

Point is, any somewhat serious pro touring or suspension mod car you should think about protecting the motor with a baffled pan designed for high sustained G’s.

Now, this pan is a serious handling, road race piece. Some of the features of this NEW pan:


Side pods for 6 quarts of oil
FIVE trap door/gates
3 braking deacceleration gates to keep oil around the sump under hard braking
2 lateral G gates
fully baffled sump for complete oil control
false right angle wall at back of sump to keep oil from very rear of pan. Also allows more centerlink clearance for possible lowered motors.
fully TIG welded construction
decades of SCCA road race proven sump design features in this pan.
Made right here in USA


This pan should not need the band aid of an accusump reserve system. Unless of course there is a weak link somewhere else in the oiling system. I know $450 is a lot for an oil pan. But look at a $200 drag race pan with the bucket welded under them. Then look at all pictures I took of the gates, ledges, baffles, custom sump, weld quality, construction quality of this Road Race pan and I think you will understand some of the $$$ differences.

These new small block pans will be on display at Fall Fling October 30, 2010 and SEMA

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=41027&d=1286233835

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=41028&d=1286233835

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=41029&d=1286233835

High Plains Mopars
10-06-2010, 06:22 AM
Just spoke to Steve at Milodon and they have the small journal 318/340 pans available right now, but the large journal 360 pans will not be available until mid October. But 5 weeks away is still better than not at all.

Thanks for putting this together autox!

autoxcuda
02-26-2011, 10:12 PM
Summit now has the pans at $383.99 each:

340-318-273 pan:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MIL-31590/

360 pan:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MIL-31595/

More info from Milodon about this pan here: http://www.milodon.com/oil-pans/road-race-oil-pans.asp


This is what they look like installed.

https://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=44955&d=1298787122

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go-fish
02-26-2011, 11:21 PM
Any plans for a rear sump pan like on the 360 truck and van pans? Those with Alter-K-tion and other aftermarket susp. need a rear sump.

autoxcuda
02-26-2011, 11:41 PM
Any plans for a rear sump pan like on the 360 truck and van pans? Those with Alter-K-tion and other aftermarket susp. need a rear sump.

You'd have to ask Milodon. But I think there are some Circle Track pans setup for Mopars with rear sump on the market right now.

go-fish
02-27-2011, 12:52 PM
This is what I have on my 408". It is a Moroso.

" 360 A Series engines used in tube chassis cars that allow rear sump oil pans.

Ideal for Bracket Racing, Super Classes, Truck and Street Rod applications. Will not fit stock k-frame cars

Kicked-out sump moves oil level away from rotating assembly, increases capacity to 7 quarts, and provides additional ground clearance

Relocated rear sump improves oil control during hard acceleration

Trap-door baffling allows oil to flow one way into the pickup area — and keeps it there

Full length, uni-directional windage tray screen and bolt-in crankshaft scraper separate oil from rotating assembly and into sump area to improve oil control and power Works with most starter-flywheel combinations. "

- http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/mo360stidrra.html



It is a pretty quality built piece. It isn't the lowest part of the car at least and it has all the essentials like kickouts, screen, and trap doors. The scatter shield hangs lower. I really like it for my application but it was the only option out there that fit all the criteria. It would be nice to see two or more options.

So all you guys who need a "road race" and require rear sump that holds 7 quarts, this looks to be it. I think I got mine from Summit for cheaper than Mancini has them for.

AutoX, thanks for pushing Milodon to build this. Really looking forward to seeing your Cuda at Spring Fling too!

autoxcuda
02-27-2011, 06:49 PM
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Trap-door baffling allows oil to flow one way into the pickup area — and keeps it there. Full length, uni-directional windage tray screen and bolt-in crankshaft scraper separate oil from rotating assembly and into sump area to improve oil control and power Works with most starter-flywheel combinations. "

- http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/mo360stidrra.html



It is a pretty quality built piece. It isn't the lowest part of the car at least and it has all the essentials like kickouts, screen, and trap doors. The scatter shield hangs lower. I really like it for my application but it was the only option out there that fit all the criteria. It would be nice to see two or more options.

So all you guys who need a "road race" and require rear sump that holds 7 quarts, this looks to be it. I think I got mine from Summit for cheaper than Mancini has them for.

What is the pan depth that they list it at? Should be 5 or 5.25" for stock depth to get it as low as possible. How many trap door does it have? Do you have a picture of the sump arrangement?


AutoX, thanks for pushing Milodon to build this. Really looking forward to seeing your Cuda at Spring Fling too!

You should consider coming to Spring Fling Speed Festival at Willow Springs on April 14, 2011. The largest grouping of Mopar Pro Touring cars on the track in the country! Will you car be ready by then?

go-fish
02-27-2011, 09:12 PM
My car is just about ready now. I just need to get a belt for the Pocharger and a couple things here and there and it will be driveable but it's still in OK. I was reassigned from the New Orleans area to San Diego while I was in Iraq last year. My Dad was storing the car while I was gone and it never made it out here with my household goods.

I've been buying alot of parts recently (AAR hood, spoilers back and front, weatherstripping, ...) and having them shipped to him. I am getting out of the Navy in June and need to burn up 52 days of vacation so I'll be flying out there to thrash for a couple weeks. After which, my Pops and I will haul it out here and I would love to correspond that with Speed Fest so he can see all the bad assery.

Do you ever come down to Coronado Speed Festival in San Diego in Oct.? The people who take care of the #77 Challenger from up north are usually there. Alot of Ferrari's, Sunbeam Tigers, Lola's and such. Much less Trans Am cars but some pedigree musclecars do show. Mostly it's early 60's to late 70's Europeans.

As for the Moroso pan, iirc it has two long trap doors and there is a specific pick up tube ( p/n 24710 ) that you have to buy from Moroso (not standard pick-up/van). It is 81/4" deep and has really wide kickouts that actually come pretty close to my 1 7/8' tubed headers. Smaller headers would be OK, mine are too, but heat my bee an issue. Although, I had it streetable for awhile and didn't notice the powder coat having any heat marks or damage.

This pic is from http://moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=11923
it is a top view but doesn't show the kickouts. Guessing they were cropped out of the pic?

autoxcuda
02-27-2011, 09:41 PM
My car is just about ready now. I just need to get a belt for the Pocharger and a couple things here and there and it will be driveable but it's still in OK. I was reassigned from the New Orleans area to San Diego while I was in Iraq last year. My Dad was storing the car while I was gone and it never made it out here with my household goods.

I've been buying alot of parts recently (AAR hood, spoilers back and front, weatherstripping, ...) and having them shipped to him. I am getting out of the Navy in June and need to burn up 52 days of vacation so I'll be flying out there to thrash for a couple weeks. After which, my Pops and I will haul it out here and I would love to correspond that with Speed Fest so he can see all the bad assery.

Even if you don't have your Cuda, you can come check things out. During the 1 hour lunch period we have "parade laps" and you can run whatever car you bring on the track under 60 mph or so. Great inexpensive way to get your feet wet and get some ideas. Lot of New LX and Challengers run with us too.

http://alltimeracing.com/v2/component/option,com_events/task,view_detail/agid,27/year,2011/month,02/day,20/Itemid,29/

Have you seen these Trans Am style front spoilers. They are ABS plastic so they don't crack like big fiberglass front spoilers: http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5882921&an=0&page=0#Post5882921


Do you ever come down to Coronado Speed Festival in San Diego in Oct.? The people who take care of the #77 Challenger from up north are usually there. Alot of Ferrari's, Sunbeam Tigers, Lola's and such. Much less Trans Am cars but some pedigree musclecars do show. Mostly it's early 60's to late 70's Europeans.

No, I've never been down there for that. Would like to go.


As for the Moroso pan, iirc it has two long trap doors and there is a specific pick up tube ( p/n 24710 ) that you have to buy from Moroso (not standard pick-up/van). It is 81/4" deep and has really wide kickouts that actually come pretty close to my 1 7/8' tubed headers. Smaller headers would be OK, mine are too, but heat my bee an issue. Although, I had it streetable for awhile and didn't notice the powder coat having any heat marks or damage.

This pic is from http://moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=11923
it is a top view but doesn't show the kickouts. Guessing they were cropped out of the pic?

8 1/4" deep from the pan rail is pretty deep.

Yes, the TTI and Dougs headers come pretty close to the rear side of a stock pan. I don't know if you could put that same wide sump that Milodon has in the front sumps on the rear with off the shelf headers.

go-fish
02-28-2011, 07:04 AM
Have you seen these Trans Am style front spoilers..

Yep, I PM'ed him a few weeks ago to see if he had spoilers w/o the holes but they all did. I ended up getting one (metal) from Randy's Spoilers. It doesn't hang real low so I don't think it will be an issue. It looks like they are at about the same height as the stock AAR dual spoilers. Not as functional but looks clean and sits high.

autoxcuda
03-24-2011, 06:14 PM
Pictures of how precision fit the oil pan is with this 73-76 A-body spool mount type K-member. Threading a needle with the design here.

It fits the E and B body car fine as well as the 67-72 A-body type K-member.

https://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45581&d=1301019396

Check this out for ground clearance!! Yes there is a pan behind that K-member. Actually 1/4" MORE clearance than stock because the stock pan has a bulge for the drain plug.

https://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45583&d=1301019398

Here's the ultimate test.... Flat board is being held diagonally across k-member front passenger front to bottom of steering box drivers rear.

Awesome!!

https://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45582&d=1301019397


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777jetdr
03-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Will this pan work with my Mopar windage tray or do I have to buy Milodon one?

High Plains Mopars
03-30-2011, 05:28 PM
It will work with a mopar tray, I test fit mine recently, but my studs were too long and interfered with the pan. I'm not sure if the mopar tray is more or less effective than a milodon tray in this pan. I went ahead and converted to the Limodon tray since they developed their line of products to compliment each other.

autoxcuda
03-30-2011, 07:39 PM
The Milodon main cap stud kit come with long fully threaded windage tray adjustment section. So you will need to cut the length to match the stroke of your crank. With my 4" stroke crank, I cut windage screw part of the stud flush with the attachment nut. Still we felt more comfortable with putting two dimples in the center cutout section of the pan. Probably not 100% necessary, but just playing it safe.

Before cutting windage screws down

https://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45745&d=1301542966

After cutting..

https://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45741&d=1301542634

https://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45744&d=1301542638

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