'67 Camaro SCCA build

[j-rho]

Hi everyone,
I haven't posted much but have been doing a lot of reading on this site over the past year or more. Learned a lot of great things from the experiences of the generous members here.

Bought my '67 Camaro yesterday and am finally about to get started. Since I'm on a lot of different message boards, I've decided to detail the build on my own site, this way I only have to update a single message board instead of several.

Here's the link:
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build

If you have any questions about it, feel free to email [email protected]

Thanks again to everyone for all you've shared!

[coolwelder62]

Good luck with your build.And keep posting so we can check back in.Scott.

[Bryce]

Sounds like a fun project, maybe I will see you around san diego sometime.

[Jarcaines]

awesome!

[driftinblzr]

Yeah, good luck with your build. At least it appears you have a solid platform to start with judging by the pics.

Later, Doug

[Derek69SS]

Cool build, but I have my doubts on the competitiveness of a 1st gen in STX... Good luck!

[j-rho]

Still a long long way from completion, but I did pick up the motor last weekend and got a couple vids of it on the dyno. Started an analysis of the front suspension also, a few posts down.

http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/

[j-rho]

Fabrication work complete, car headed in for body and paint now.
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/

[johnny68]

hey Jason great build i have heard a few people talk about Pat and that have used him would you have his user name so i can talk to him about doing the nova im out in Alpine area
john

[Nessumsar]

Thanks for the update Jason; and to think I had almost forgotten about your car. I really appreciate all of the info you have supplied on the suspension woes as I have tried to take into consideration most of it.

[j-rho]

hey Jason great build i have heard a few people talk about Pat and that have used him would you have his user name so i can talk to him about doing the nova im out in Alpine area
john
Hi John,
Pat's username here is "67 ls1 vert"

[j-rho]

Home from paint! Goal is to have it on the road by next February.
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build

[go-fish]

I've been up to Pat's several times in the past few months. I saw your car there and wished it was my car getting the awesome treatment Pat and his crew give each and every car they take in. Someday I hope to give Pat the big check for the paint/body.

Looks Great!

[craigs73]

car looks good jason

[Nessumsar]

It is looking really nice Jason. Can't wait to run against you in an event... :)

[Ron.in.SoCal]

It is looking really nice Jason. Can't wait to run against you in an event... :)

I'd like to see that too Jon. Jase is a national playa...:)

[j-rho]

I've been up to Pat's several times in the past few months. I saw your car there and wished it was my car getting the awesome treatment Pat and his crew give each and every car they take in. Someday I hope to give Pat the big check for the paint/body.

Looks Great!
Hi Johnny,
The check really wasn't that big at all in the grand scheme of things. Pat's service offered tremendous value for the dollar. The car went in a stinky funky hulk, and came out a polished jewel.

[j-rho]

It is looking really nice Jason. Can't wait to run against you in an event... :)Hi Jon,
I'm looking forward to running the RTCC next year. They really ought to change the treadwear tire limit from 200 to 140, to match the SCCA. The tires I get for the car will be under 200tw so I can be competitive in STX, but that means I have to run the exhibition class or whatever at the P-T events. Not going to get a second set of tires (and tune the car for them) just for those events.

Still, my car's tires will be so much skinnier than everyone else's, it should more than negate any compound/construction advantage.

[j-rho]

Have wheels now, but still a ways to go. Hoping for ignition by new years.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/11/vintage_eng_wheels_on1024x551-1.jpg

http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=1539

[soloracerSD]

Looks good ..You can always join the Pro-Touring guys running San Diego SCCA solo2. next event Nov 18 I'm sure you know the thread. "San Diego Autocross".

Optima ,Good Guys and others, all use 200TW.That is why Pro-touring Autocross Club San Diego runs 200TW at San Diego SCCA Solo2.

If you haven't been to our SCCA facebook go and check out the pictures
"San Diego SCCA AUtocross" on FACEBOOK


George

[67 ls1 vert]

wow, Jason!!! Nice to see you again. Good to see the car almost finished. Let me know when you get it finished I wants some pictures of it. Post more picture for us to see it.

[j-rho]

Hi George,
Appreciate the invite, been an SD Solo member since 2001, though I haven't been doing local events the last few years.

This car is being built to run in the full-National STX class, where the rules are significantly more restrictive than any Pro-Touring ruleset. Here's a link to the STX rules (http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?page_id=260). Only upside is STX can run 140 treadwear instead of 200, though the best street tire today might actually be 300 (Michelin PSS), making the advantage null.

STX doesn't have much particiaption locally, but to give you an idea where my sights are set with this car, I need to be running times right with Jeff Cawthorne and Jonathan Lugod in their STR cars. At a recent event that's about 8 seconds faster scratch, on a 70 second course, than the P-T cars went (http://www.sdr-scca.com/solo2/results/2012/2012-0930/scat-12_fin-web.htm). Dunno if I can do it, that'll be the next challenge to face, once I get this thing moving under its own power! Hope to have it running by New Years, and to local events in Jan or Feb.

[j-rho]

wow, Jason!!! Nice to see you again. Good to see the car almost finished. Let me know when you get it finished I wants some pictures of it. Post more picture for us to see it.

Hey Pat long time no talk! Saw you got a website together (http://www.patscustomcars.com) - looks good!

May need your services again at some point to assist with finishing the interior. Don't think I can tackle the headliner install myself, and I'm somewhat dreading the window installs.

For those that haven't followed my thread, Pat (67 ls1 vert) and his shop did the body and paint work on my car. He showed great attention to detail, listened to all my weird requests, provided valuable input into the creative process, and perhaps most importantly, got the work done in very little time, for a price that was more than fair. I highly recommend his services!

[soloracerSD]

Being that PT in San Diego are running on 200 TW and are heavy .Pre 74 V8 Domestic cars are.Plus the drivers running now are new and still learn driving technic.They aren't going to be overall impressive laptime cars.Cool nastalgic cars yes! .The Black 69 convertible Cuda just has wheels and sway-Bars thats it.So a good place to try out your car when it's ready..PT isn't really a class it's more of a Club Group.If we get enough cars showing up regularly maybe it can be a class with points in 2014 in SDR.IF the trend lasts that long.Originaly it was just a plan to bring folks preparing and doing GG events.More places for them to run their cars and to enter one of SCCA classes.Now it's starting to look like a Vinatge Muscle car SM class on 200TW.

The 68 roadrunner had some implessive times sept 30.A car that big hussled around the track was impressive!.More cars are coming some have written you on Your thread.

Let us know when your up to it.

[soloracerSD]

Jason.I checked out the build rules for STX you posted..It goes on and on..I don't know If I could get anyone to read that much..LOL,I'm glade it's posted though.Alot of detail.When I write a paragraph of what I think San Diego Pro Touring would be ,I hear to long..LOL I have some questions on it.In the past SP or ESP you could only use factory optional brake disc diameters.Now I'm read you can use larger diameter discs and if your car only had drums available you can switch to aftermarket discs no larger then the inside of the factory drum..Street Tire Xstreme "STX" have same brake rules as Street Prepared "SP" or ESP for folks here to understand.
Some of the guys that run their PT cars in San Diego SCCA may pass STX tech.If you were going to Good Guys this weekend .You guys would have a good techno chat...:) 6 of our past SCCA racers are running Good Guys this weekend.You should be one of them.

BTW most vintage muscle cars lowered the location of the front A Arm.I see you found the best way around doing that.Only the CP cars can do that.Also I saw the article Warren L posted on Gride Lines San Diego today

George

[avewhtboy]

Just a quick post was doing some google search's and found your blog last night, read from beginning to end
wanted to thank you for taking the time to document your build.

I was wondering what your front hub-hub is now that you have it all back together?

[j-rho]

George, I would guess most all P-T type builds are not STX legal, if only due to engine requirements -have to keep stock internals. Real racing has real rules...for casual fun a brief ruleset is fine, but they inevitably leave open big holes, ready to be exploited by anyone deciding to take things seriously.

On the front end, the pattern I see is cars are generally way under tired, and way undersprung, at least for sporting purposes. I like at least 2.5hz up front, even on street tires, most here are less than half that. Won't really know how things work with my approach until I start driving and testing, getting closer now. Season starts in March.

[soloracerSD]

Yes I agree about all the details and removing gray area loop holes.I'm just talking about first time readers of true class rules.It's just surprising at how much detail there is the first time you read some.It's mostly just simple details that add length to the writing.I've read most of the SCCA Solo 2,solo1 rule book 2004.I enjoy it more then Gone With The Wind.Yes a serious PT car would be SM or CP.Ones with aftermarket frames would be XP if even allowed there...Near stock ones like the Cuda that runs with us just has a front sway bar and wheels Stock everything else.That would pass for STX..if he wanted


I like all the detail you give..You must be an engineer. Yes most are between 1-1.5Hz Ideal would be 2.2-2.5Hz

No matter what the classes it will be fun to see you running your car in next years SCCA practice events .Yours and the other vintage muscle cars doing the practices together.

[Bryce]

For those that dont know. To calculate the natural frequency of a sprung system, you need to know the effective spring rate (K) at the tire contact patch and the sprung mass (M) on that corner.

w= the square root of (k/m)

you never want the input loads on the tire from irregularities in the road to be close to the natural frequency. That is one reason a car traveling faster will need a higher spring rate.

[soloracerSD]

Jason if you come to Good Guys.You can have chats with guys like Bryce...:) and talk vintage muscle cars.. I'm have to google search to keep up with you guys... Here I go again.

I have a puzzling spring rate HZ problem for you guys.I might need some help from NASCAR fans on this.NASCAR now mandates a spring rate and hands the teams two spec shocks.Slow rebound shocks are some how banned.The cars have to run high because of the soft springs.So instead of using the max spring rate NASCAR allows which is soft.the teams go softer.Running the cars bottomed out in the turns of the small oval banked tracks they run on.Just a large sway bar and the side wall of the tire is the spring rate..They call it the Coil binding set up. The cars go down the straight away with the splitter 5 inches off the ground and it's tight to the track in the turns. Whats the spring Hz? yes a oval would be way different then autocross.Bottomed out springs? never would think that would work.

[Bryce]

a bottomed out spring would have an infinite spring rate.

[j-rho]

George, here's my suggestion for a P-T ruleset:
Minimum weight 3100lbs. (maybe higher)
Minimum front weight percentage 55%
Minimum wheelbase 106"
Live rear axle
Has to be an American-made 4-seat car with the basic platform available between 1955 and 1974
Engine must be an American-made V8
Max front tire width 275, max front wheel width 9". Rear unlimited. 200TW is most compatible with other P-T events but 140 is what the SCCA uses. 200 excludes some very nice tires that still fit the "Street" mold well.
Cars must retain all standard-sized glass (no chop tops) and full interiors
No wings, no underbody aero (front air dams and rear spoilers ok; diffusers and underbody tunnels not ok)
No ABS or traction control
Roofline (or top of windshield header for convertibles) must be at least 50" above the ground
...
I think that eliminates most of the ringers. Somebody could still build some tube frame thing and win by a lot, but the above minimizes most of the advantages such a cheater vehicle would have over the typical showings. My car would probably not be legal for this class, but that's ok with me.


Oh, and don't worry about Nascar. Those are spec tube-frame cars going around steeply banked ovals in one direction at very high speeds. While they are still bound by the same physics as our cars, their problem and solution sets are vastly different.

[soloracerSD]

Thanks for that suggestion I see we have some common Ideas.. For the Tube Frame issue just apply SM&,SP class rules, 6 mounting point interior cage rules.Plus that would allow leaf spring to 4-link kits using forward leafspring mount. Mike S. told me he thinks it would be legal in SM

If PT gains popularity in SD .I have something to work with.Thats all I'm thinking now

Did you happen to go to GG this weekend?Some wild cars there.. And some louder then 93 db...That makes it tough to get them at the Q

And to those that are reading these PT class suggested rules and mine for the first time.It doesn't mean you can run if you don't meet these rules.There is SM ,CP, XP and in San Diego theres SU...SCCA that allow all the mods you can think of in a 4 seater car. plus 38 other classes.

[j-rho]

It runs! Sounds pretty nice at idle too. :)
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=1684

[Nessumsar]

Very nice Jason; hope to see you in the Camaro at some events this year!

[j-rho]

Watts link is in, suspension (minus shocks) buttoned up enough to let it move under its own power.

The last time the car moved under its own power was September 22, 2010 ("The long strange trip (http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=37)") and on February 17, 2013, it moved itself back out - only took me about 2.5 years!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/02/camaro_driveway11024x657-1.jpg

In addition to a few more pics have some boring "car rolling down the street" videos linked from http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build

[Lenie]

Congrats Jason, car looks great. Enjoyed the videos. You must be stoked.

[avewhtboy]

Looks great sounds great had to be a great feeling to drive it.

[soloracerSD]

I seee you have it entered in the San Diego SCCA National tour.Have you had any track time with it yet?.Check in at the other thread Jason...I know the guys there will beg you to do the GOOD GUYS Del Mar event with them

George P

[T.K.]

i'm glad j-rho doesnt make the rules for PT racing. those rules would kill the sport. half of the club/hobby as you call it is seeing people work the newest aftermarket toys and newest technologies into daily driven cars. functional AC would be a better fitting rule than half of the rules j-rho recommends

[j-rho]

i'm glad j-rho doesnt make the rules for PT racing. those rules would kill the sport. half of the club/hobby as you call it is seeing people work the newest aftermarket toys and newest technologies into daily driven cars. functional AC would be a better fitting rule than half of the rules j-rho recommends

T.K., there are no rules for PT racing, which is why none of the cars are real race cars. The rules I laid out could be used by a sanctioning body to create a P-T class that would include *most* P-T cars, while excluding the outliers that would run away from it if allowed in.

George, I know people have fun at the Goodguys events, and I wish them all the best. But driving around at 12mph at full steering lock is not my idea of fun. SCCA events offer me the right blend of safety with some speed (average speeds typically over 40mph with a 25-65mph dynamic range).

Haven't driven it since the above video. Hope to get it back out this weekend with the shocks, Motec dash, and bigger battery installed.

[soloracerSD]

Your bring it out for SDAD SCCA this weekend.?.

Yes GG events are tight.But I have seen them exceed 40mph.It's more the idea of sociallizing with more Vintage muscle cars locally that want more then shine and show.Jason you should check out the next RTTC at El Toro event. 110 mph plus, same group of guys.I may try it next time.You go to a SCCA event these days you see mostly compacts and roadster.A few Muscle cars.You go to a RTTC event it's the reverse.Ge I race a 82 Mazda RX-7 I enjoy checking out both.You have a cool build, it has a lot in common with another San Diego car. A SM/CP 65 Falcon ,
your STX Camaro

[soloracerSD]

Something new for this year with GG.They are paying out 10,000.00 for autocross.I think divided over 4 classes.Your car looks like a winner..So if I could borrow it .I would give you 200.00 of 2,500 in winnings...:)

disclosure..need more then one event to qualify I think

[j-rho]

Had hoped to make the event this weekend, particularly since it's on the West Lot, but the car will not be ready in time. Even if I get it together Saturday, still need some more street shakedown miles to get all the new stuff - brakes, clutch, diff - broken in.

The car's first autocross will likely be the San Diego National Tour, March 30-31 at Qualcomm. The national-level SCCA events are a lot more representative of the cross-section of cars and competitors competing at the top of the sport. The following weekend is a Pro Solo event at El Toro - in Pro Solo, they set up two courses in mirror image, and start it off with a drag launch. Pro Solo events are a lot of fun.

RTTC looks neat, I spectated a bit at the 2010 event, and would like to do that kind of thing.

[soloracerSD]

Yes! West Lot and being last event before Nationals,GG Del Mar and Pro-Solo will bring out alot of nice&interesting cars.I spectated a Pro-Solo at El Toro.Haven't done one.Yes the Pro-Solo is the Same weekend as the GG Del Mar.

If your not running it this weekend will you still drive it by the Q?

[dontlifttoshift]

Jason, I would love to hear your thoughts about your cars performance over the weekend. How driveable is it, were you happy with the first outing, etc?

[j-rho]

Here's a writeup of its first race weekend:
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=1845
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/04/IMG_75201024x682-1.jpg
Also have an in-car video for download, it is somewhat large though (~180MB):
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sdTourDay2Run2.mp4

A long way from where it needs to be handling-wise, but now the fun can really begin!

Also, would love it if anyone could help me out with an ignition/electrical issue the car developed:
https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?97838-Ignition-cuts-off-with-key-in-run-position

[soloracerSD]

Jason your Pro-Solo El Toro results aren't looking good...Did you get the problems of last weekend solved?

I hope you don't have to fight the new race car blues to long.
.

[j-rho]

El Toro ProSolo writeup: http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=1866
Video 1: http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/left1_720.mp4
Video 2: http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/left2_720.mp4

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/04/ElToro20130407006691024x768-1.jpg

[tylers88]

Car looks good, I really like the color. The look on th kids face is great too kind of like "Oh you are taking pictures, I thought we were going for a drive."

[soloracerSD]

I was guessing your Camaro would be under 3100lb.Base on the guys we have running with us in the SDR-SCCA.A 76 Cobra Mustang under 3000.a 69 Mustang and 66 Fairlane under 3200.All cars have stock sheetmetal.Yes the Fairlane has full interior.I would like to see it on scales again...LOL Then theres the 65 Falcon with fiberglass body panels at 2640 and the 63 Falcon at 2900 I don't know the 66 Chevelles weight or how much fuel was in the cars.6.5 to 120lbs off.

I enjoy reading all the details of the weekend. I'm sure it will be one you won't forget or want to repeat.

Are you doing the practice &Championship 27,28 this month?

[BuddyP]

That is cool! I love it!

[j-rho]

Heyward Wagner, the SCCA's communications director, was out at the El Toro Pro Solo last weekend. While there he put together a very nice little documentary piece on the Camaro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meybtwmMxQY

Enjoy!

[soloracerSD]

There is another thread you can post that on.I'll be waiting..:)


I like the fact you say it will take time to be competitive in STX.Some expect wins to soon.

Question ,60s SCCA Trans Am race motor? is it the same as the Z 28 production motors from the 60's, Isn't that what you have to use in STX?I'm sure different carbs and intake manfold
I don't know so I ask...:)
will we see it april 27 0r 28 at the Q

[j-rho]

George, are you talking about the autocross thread? That thing is your baby...

In '67 the 302 was basically parts bin using 327 block, 283 crank, etc. They used the production engine in the race cars though as time went on they used more and more "special heavy duty service" parts from Chevrolet that were not available on the cars from the factory, and thus aren't legal for STX. Examples include the dual-carb intake, cowl induction, and the special valvetrain parts.

Might make it on the 27th or 28th, we'll see.

[soloracerSD]

Ya The thread that I start but don't claim as just mine.It's more a message board for any active car event with in a drive of San Diego.I hope it helps more then it might scare..LOL

[j-rho]

Nice little blurb on The Truth About Cars website-
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/04/ill-see-your-pro-touring-and-raise-you/
the comments are always good for some laughs :)

[j-rho]

Brief recap of Farmington ProSolo: http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=1962

Video quality not the best, playing around with the software. Will try to get some high def renditions done tonight.

[soloracerSD]

Gee! When are you coming to another Local event Jason?WE should have a good mix of cars at our next event.Even, from what Ive hear, a newly finished Pro-Touring 38 Pickup.Dan W who drives the 1970 Yellow Hotchkiss Challenge at GG events plans to have it there to.THose two plan to run Saturday and hoping not to have a problem with DB.Then Sunday.

[j-rho]

Hi George,
I don't tend to make many locals, especially with this car. Maybe that'll change this winter, we'll see.

Got the car running yesterday after a little "incident" last weekend - can read about it here:
Pre-Nats thrash « J-Rho's '67 Camaro Z28 STX build (http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=1992)

Loading up tomorrow night for the tow to Lincoln, Nebraska, starting Wednesday morning. The car's first National Championships, should be fun!

Looking forward to the next Pro-Touring event at El Toro, would be fun to run against those cars, with my little-engine'd, skinny-tire'd, stock-chassis'd automobile.

[j-rho]

Update - trophied at the ProSolo Finale - quite a ways off the winner, but not bad considering the competition and that it's only the car's 4th event, and only the second event where I got to take all my runs-
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=2011

Looking ahead now to Thursday/Friday and the National Championships!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/09/P10801361024x768-1.jpg

[eric1967]

Update - trophied at the ProSolo Finale - quite a ways off the winner, but not bad considering the competition and that it's only the car's 4th event, and only the second event where I got to take all my runs-
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=2011

Looking ahead now to Thursday/Friday and the National Championships!

Very cool. Congrats. I have enjoyed looking through your thread & website. Thanks for posting

[Bryce]

congrats jason

[soloracerSD]

Awesome! next SOLO2 trophy.....Then you can celebrate by showing it to all of us at the next SDR event :) Is it Hot up in Nebraska?It's hot here

[j-rho]

Here's a pic someone took from over the weekend. I *think* it is under slight braking, though the butt of the car is kinda high right now with so little spacer block...
81683

[Bryce]

I thought you switched to the CCWs

[Damn True]

Damn, that is sexy!

You appear much less "busy" in the cockpit than in previous videos. Less technical course or a better sorted setup?


Update - trophied at the ProSolo Finale - quite a ways off the winner, but not bad considering the competition and that it's only the car's 4th event, and only the second event where I got to take all my runs-
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=2011

Looking ahead now to Thursday/Friday and the National Championships!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/09/P10801361024x768-1.jpg

[j-rho]

Damn, that is sexy!

You appear much less "busy" in the cockpit than in previous videos. Less technical course or a better sorted setup?Mostly the latter - the tires I'm on now are a bit better, and I've had a little more time in the car. The Pro Finale was really only the car's 4th event, so I am still in the very early stages of tuning, and in getting used to the car.

The National Championships start today, very excited!

[soloracerSD]

I saw in the SCCA SOLO 2 National Tour FINALS results."Tough Competition..was it 59 cars in your class STX? The first 26 all in one second of each other All on BFG or HANKOOKS.You had Dunlops. A techie question You also have Hankooks.Would that of made a difference if you used them?

[j-rho]

Hi George,
Not sure it would have helped a lot - the Hankooks need heat, and as a single driver, would have been tough to keep them warm enough. The Dunlops felt good and performed similarly on the practice course.

I broke a pushrod on day 1 which limited performance there, and just didn't drive that great on either of those two days.

[soloracerSD]

Some may not know ,But it is a combined lap time.Best lap out of three 1st day added to best lap out of three 2nd day.Bummer ,Broken push rod on the first day.You must of done much better the second day to only loose a second over two days.?

I saw that Gary Thomason won SS in the Viper and,Jonathon L won STR? in his S 2000 we had a few others out of San Diego to win their class.A guy in Ramona won in ESP with a Subaru.A local guy I don't think I ever met.There was a good showing of SDR there mixed with 1200 entries that's a lot!

[j-rho]

Writeup of Nats w/video:
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build/?p=2031
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/09/camaro61024x737-1.jpg

[TonyHuntimer]

Looks like fun! Cool project. :)
Do you change the camber for the street?

Tony Huntimer
TestCarDatabase.com

[j-rho]

Hi Tony,
Some thread revival!
Car doesn't get much street use, so no. With some massaging of the front inner fenders and a tall spindle, I'd probably reduce static negative camber to something like -3.5.

As long as you keep the toe at zero, the camber doesn't wear tires too badly by itself - just depends on the balance of straight-line street driving vs. hard cornering.

I'm encouraged by the changes made to the SCCA's CAM class this year. With one more key step - a minimum front axle weight (1700 pounds total) and some limit on front wheel/tire (so people can still make street u-turns) I think the class will be to a good starting point. Great attendance by the CAM gang at the SCCA's San Diego Tour this past weekend.