got a ticket for tinted windows.

[1badchevelle]

I was on my way home with my windows almost all the way down( about 4 inch up). And a cop pulled up next to me at a red light. He could see me with no problem. I knew right away I was going to get pulled over, I was on the 1 lane and switch lanes as I could see him running my plates. Couple min later tada... I get his lights. Couple of squad cars later, Tells me I have illegal tint. Ask were am I going and why I was in Downey. Handed my lic, reg,.... I was nice to him and a couple min later hands me a fix it ticket for my tint. I told him it was legal tint and should not be a problem. He said it was as he could not see me which was odd as when he was right next to me we look right at each other.

Figures. Bald Mexican in a Escalade get pulled over.( yes I know I asked for it)



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[JJEH]

Figures. Bald Mexican in a Escalade get pulled over.( yes I know I asked for it)


And you are not in Arizona.... dang :spank2:

But I hear you... my wife is half mexican :)

May the cop had a bad day...

[1badchevelle]

And you are not in Arizona.... dang :spank2:

But I hear you... my wife is half mexican :)

May the cop had a bad day...

I would be on my way to visit Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Not so funny is I will be in AZ next week.:cheers:

[class67]

It happens to all of us sooner or later....all 3 of my daily drivers have the windows tinted but only my wife has been caught so far.

[JJEH]

But I thought it's legal in the States?

I'm confused....

Jess' front window were also tinted, she bought her Honda new in 2001 and never had any Problems.
She lived in CA, TX and AZ.

As she brought the car over here, she had to remove the foil...

[go-fish]

Save the "Woe, is me" attitude for another crowd. More than half of Cali is of Hispanic heritage. I am sure it wasn't because you were "Mexican" as you say. (Are you really even Mexican?)
I'll let you in on a little secret, we Americans get hassled by the man too. Back in the day I had a Denali with dark tint, legal too. The rent-a-cops on the San Diego Navy bases and local law enforcement hassled me about it. Being a non-resident military person I had out of state plates so that added to it.
Maybe the cop was just being typical, not racist? I know in some states they put a little sticker on the window when you get it's annual inspection. Does CARB check the tint? Do you have your inspection receipt you can show them next time?

[wellis77]

Been there done that. I was upset that I had to remove mine. It was only a matter of time and I had no right to be upset, it's illegal in Michigan. Surprised I got away with it as long as I had...

[MrQuick]

I was on my way home with my windows almost all the way down( about 4 inch up). And a cop pulled up next to me at a red light. He could see me with no problem. I knew right away I was going to get pulled over, I was on the 1 lane and switch lanes as I could see him running my plates. " I told him it was legal tint and should not be a problem." '
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Figures. Bald Mexican in a Escalade get pulled over.( yes I know I asked for it)



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you set your self up, when you had your windows slightly up and you switched lanes.

I am curious, how is your tint legal? is it factory? It looks pretty dark.


bald Mexican? no, just thought you were a drug dealer. LOL

tried to nail you on a warrant.

Vince

[1badchevelle]

Relax Johnny, it was not meant as the cop was racist. He was cool about the hole thing. That is why I said I asked for it. I like my head bald and should expect what comes with it. Hell if I was a cop I would pull me over. I can say if I would have been with the family I would have not been pulled over nor given a second look. I know what to expect and know my appearance does play a part.

I am 31 and have not been pulled over in about 2 years. At one point I use to get pulled over 1-3 times a day. I have been pulled over by a racist's cops and man did it suck.

[mc84_zz4]

In TX the tint companies will instal a sticker in the lower rear corner of the side glass if the tint is at legal %.
If the cops don't see the stupid sticker, you become an instant quota statistic.
Bummer man, I hope your tint was legal (?)
Florida cops even have a digital tint meter they can show you.
Thank you sir! may I have another one...
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[1badchevelle]

In Ca you can have 30 % tint on the front windows.

I guess it was his bad day and pulled over the only one without a warrant.


you set your self up, when you had your windows slightly up and you switched lanes.

I am curious, how is your tint legal? is it factory? It looks pretty dark.


bald Mexican? no, just thought you were a drug dealer. LOL

tried to nail you on a warrant.

Vince

[jon72vega]

I went thru the tint thing here in Michigan about 15 years ago.
As soon as I saw the sheriff's department car coming at me from the opposite direction I knew I was going to be pulled over, as I saw the deputy eyeballing my car. I figured there was no question of "if" I was going to get a ticket, but I really thought the ticket would be for obstructed forward vision as I had a rather tall hood scoop on the car at the time.
Nope, all the officer cared about was the tint.

It was a "fix it" ticket, so I removed the tint from the front windows.
When I took the car to get inspected at the State Police Post, the officer there didn't even go outside to look.
He just signed off the ticket, & that was that. (It turned out he was a Hot Rodder himself. He told me all about his early 90's Trans Am he had).
It bothers some cops, others not so much.

[twosaturns]

all kinds of people get pulled over for all kinds of reasons. I don't buy the racist angle either; I used to get pulled over all the time when I was a kid w/ my Nova, always getting harassed. the worst was when I was from NY down south visiting my future wife in louisiana. southern cops DO NOT like white yankee kids in little black GTIs I'll tell you that!
my wife is black and has NEVER been pulled over. the minorities that do get pulled over claiming racism are usually targeted for other reasons; tint, loud music, bunch of young kids in an expensive car (seriously, wouldn't you be suspicious of a bunch of kids wearing bandannas w/ the seats leaned way back driving an escalade?)
don't know about the bald head thing, I might have to worry about that in a few years the way things are going...:)

[DarkBuddha]

You got profiled... and that sucks.

[1badchevelle]

You got profiled... and that sucks.

yep. Not sure why some keep saying that I implied he was racist.

Profiled yes, Sorry no loud music I have been over that for years, I just turned 31 on 9-11 so I am not a kid. I do have tv's on the car for my kids and the 22". If I were to get a ticket or get pulled over I would have expected to be for the front lic plate.




the minorities that do get pulled over claiming racism are usually targeted for other reasons; tint, loud music, bunch of young kids in an expensive car (seriously, wouldn't you be suspicious of a bunch of kids wearing bandannas w/ the seats leaned way back driving an escalade?)

[Tony_SS]

I don't think its legal to be pulled over for a non-moving violation. In otherwords, he would have to pull you over for a traffic violation, then cite you for a seatbelt, tinted window, etc.

I'm am 90% sure of this, but it may vary by state.

As for profiled, here in my state, a report was leaked to public, informing officials to be on the lookout for 'militia groups'. And they might have 'certain' Dont tread of me or American Flags and Ron Paul stickers on their cars.

It seems that, no matter where you live or who you are, everyone can be considered a target for something nowadays.

[formula]

I know the feeling--I'm 23 and have had all kinds of fun with cops when driving my dad's cars--he used to have a 300c, cops would pull mr looking for warrants. Now he has a 911, cops pull me looking for joyriding.

My girlfriend's car is a corolla s, came with 17s and a small wing from the factory--been pulled twice in that, too.

Never had any trouble in my all-stock 1997 Saab--it's like cop camouflage!

[John Wright]

I got pulled for the same thing in my 77 Vette. State Trooper in the left lane, looked over at me when he came alongside(I had the driver's window down) he motioned me to pull over and then hit his lights. I was nice and polite, and gave him the info he asked for and answered all of his questions. (even the one where he asked how a 19yo could afford a vette) He mentions that my tint isn't legal, and I told him that I had just purchased the car the day before and it was already tinted. So while he stood there looking at my permit, I peeled the tint off and he looked at me puzzled then went back to his car and I could see him writing up a storm. He comes back and told me he was giving me a warning this time for the tint...

(he reaches out his hand with some paper)

....and says that he wanted me to send this form in to my insurance company, for them to fill out and send back to DMV assuring the DVM that I had insurance. Uggh....Oh well, I did as I was told.

[twosaturns]

yep. Not sure why some keep saying that I implied he was racist.

Profiled yes, Sorry no loud music I have been over that for years, I just turned 31 on 9-11 so I am not a kid. I do have tv's on the car for my kids and the 22". If I were to get a ticket or get pulled over I would have expected to be for the front lic plate.
sorry, not implying anything about you , just commenting on the discussion.

[wmhjr]

You got profiled... and that sucks.

BS.

Tint on front windows is asking for LEO interest. That's not profiling IMHO. Many states totally outlaw ANY tint on front windows, and in the states that don't, there are still limits. Cops have a tough enough job, and window tint creates a very real safety issue for them. Keep in mind that it may look mostly dark in the daylight, but will be impossible to see into at night. Judging the percentage of tint at a glance is tough - which is why many won't put front tint on. It's asking for interest.

People need to stop (ass)uming that anytime there is something different about you that you have been profiled. Even the OP saying that he "knew if his wife and kid were with him he wouldn't be pulled over" is BS. No disrespect intended, but the cop was doing his job and there is zero possibility of knowing that having a family with you would have prevented the traffic stop.

In case you haven't noticed yet, claims of unwarranted profiling and racisim where there is no evidence of it really ticks me off. IMHO having to worry about this has resulted in LE agencies not being able to effectively do their job, subsequently costing lives.

[gringo]

I have had so many vehichles with tint, and have been cited not because I am a gringo. First example going back to AZ in my dropped chevy xtra cab. CHP officer pulls me over in blythe gave me a choice pull it off or get citation. I pulled it off even though I had AZ plates. Next example in Valencia CA, I am going to help my wife same vehicle and get stopped with USA plate on front, and cited for the tint.
Everyone thinks it because of their skin color or race. I was cruising down Whittier Blvd and was headed back to the 605 after stopping at in and out burger. Motorcycle officer literally runs to his bike and gets me for my shackles being below the rim. Since I was sitting at the light right next to him I still wonder how he saw that.
Recently was busted for burning rubber and the judge wanted to throw me in jail for exhibitionism, because of all the issues with street racing. Problem is I was told to pull the tint off also. The Van Nuys court house is so lovely.

Finally got rid of the truck because I made a special skull hitch, so my plate was sitting flat. I get pulled over four times because the hitch and the reason was not being able to see the plate. I am getting a little older so the gray hairs are showing and the reason was they didnt know if I was a gang member or not. Come to find out they could not scan the plate. So I end up putting a ball on and I get it again by one of the same officers. I walked across a parking lot going to the sub shop, he pulld and asked me if I was the one he pulled over a couple days prior "said yes" he said the ball still impeded the view.

So to say it was race is nonsense and could be demographics or just breaking the law and then saying the man was picking on me. These are just recent have more stories and most of the time I was in the wrong. I was even arrested once in AZ in the 80's for a violation I forgot about not fun.

[1badchevelle]

In Ca we are allowed 30%tint. Which this is. I do aggree with cops having a tough Job and yes any darker would be a safety issue. what upsets me was my window was almost all the way down and the only thing that was not visable was my forearm( about 4"). The cop told me he was given me a ticket as he could not see me thru the tinted windows and needed to get that fixed. I could understand if they were closed or at the very least half way open but they were almost all the way down.
To tell me he could not see me was a blatant lie.

QUOTE=wmhjr;721289]BS.

Tint on front windows is asking for LEO interest. That's not profiling IMHO. Many states totally outlaw ANY tint on front windows, and in the states that don't, there are still limits. Cops have a tough enough job, and window tint creates a very real safety issue for them. Keep in mind that it may look mostly dark in the daylight, but will be impossible to see into at night. Judging the percentage of tint at a glance is tough - which is why many won't put front tint on. It's asking for interest.

People need to stop (ass)uming that anytime there is something different about you that you have been profiled. Even the OP saying that he "knew if his wife and kid were with him he wouldn't be pulled over" is BS. No disrespect intended, but the cop was doing his job and there is zero possibility of knowing that having a family with you would have prevented the traffic stop.

In case you haven't noticed yet, claims of unwarranted profiling and racisim where there is no evidence of it really ticks me off. IMHO having to worry about this has resulted in LE agencies not being able to effectively do their job, subsequently costing lives.[/QUOTE]

[wmhjr]

Maybe the contrast of not being able to see your forearm is really what set him off - plus his ability to see the issue with relative safety at that time as opposed to at a later time when the window was up, maybe it's dark out, and it's more difficult to enforce.

Bottom line is that I still maintain that claims of "bad" profiling (and FWIW, the whole idea of profiling in general is worthy of a separate discussion) are not warranted based on the evidence. If you're at 30% tint, then you're right on the very edge of being illegal - and the cop has a reason, a right, and frankly a responsibility to be concerned. If I were a cop, I would strongly oppose ANY aftermarket front window tint being legal. It really makes their job far riskier than it should have to be.

I mean no disrespect, and am sorry you had the intrusion, but I also fully support the cop for pulling you over. I ride a harley type bike I built, and the exhaust is right on the verge of possibly being too loud (not open pipes, btw - I don't believe "Loud Pipes Save Lives"). I fully understand that being so close to the edge may cause me to be pulled over. That's the cost of being on the edge. And in my case, it's not even a LEO safety issue.

[1badchevelle]

I think its time to lock this one up. I was just trying to share my experince and semse some took it the wrong way.

[Tony_SS]

Well if its legal tint, you have the right to challenge the ticket. Why wouldn't you? You broke no law, stand on principle. Do whats right, not whats easy.

[Boatmark]

Man, they must be B*ll breakers out west.

Florida has more of a sense of humor. In thirty years I have never had a problem with legal tint . . . not even a problem when I was young and ran really illiegal limo tint.

Of course, all the troopers, and most law, all run tint, and most of theirs is too dark. :smoke:

Since I came to Tennessee, I have never heard of it being an issue.

[1badchevelle]

Well if its legal tint, you have the right to challenge the ticket. Why wouldn't you? You broke no law, stand on principle. Do whats right, not whats easy.

I plan on going to my local sheriff station today. If they check it and tell me its over 30% its coming off, if its legal I plan on keeping it.

[John Wright]

I plan on going to my local sheriff station today. If they check it and tell me its over 30% its coming off, if its legal I plan on keeping it.To me, it looks good on there...hope it's legal so you can keep it.

[go-fish]

I plan on going to my local sheriff station today. If they check it and tell me its over 30% its coming off, if its legal I plan on keeping it.


See if you can make nice with a desk jockey and have them type you up something on department letterhead to show LEO's in the future.

Sorry if I took anything the wrong way initially but I just don't like the moniker of "Whatever-American" or American citizens calling themselves another nationality when in fact they are a citizen of the United States.

Having a-hole LEO's that are drumming up revenue by "shooting form the hip" on such small things as whether they THINK your tint is too dark is a hassle, definitely. If they can prove it when writing a ticket they shouldn't write the ticket.

Be proud, living in this country we can enjoy the protections of the law, your family is safer here than in Mexico, more prosperous, and better educated. That's all I was meaning in my first response.

[Tony_SS]

I plan on going to my local sheriff station today. If they check it and tell me its over 30% its coming off, if its legal I plan on keeping it.

Sounds like a good plan. It looks 30% to me. Best to have it verified and like said, get written confirmation it is and keep it. Then fight the ticket with that document and you're set.

That tint looks good on there..it would be a shame if it was removed and its legal.

[1badchevelle]

Sorry if I took anything the wrong way initially but I just don't like the moniker of "Whatever-American" or American citizens calling themselves another nationality when in fact they are a citizen of the United States.


Be proud, living in this country we can enjoy the protections of the law, your family is safer here than in Mexico, more prosperous, and better educated. That's all I was meaning in my first response.

Dont get me wrong I am Proud to be American. I am a first genaration born here and will never turn my back on my country, but in the same token my blood/heratige is Mexican. I guess I am use to calling my self Mexican since that is what I am usualy labled as. I have never been much for lables so I dont really care. If you look at my infraction under race it says H( Hispanic)

My parents worked there as-s off to become US citizens, to earn the rights they now have.

[JustinB]

Lol. My wife works for Downey PD. Just out of curiosity, where did you find that we are allowed up to 30% on the front passenger and driver windows? Ill ask her but as far as I know, unless its factory installed, zero tint is allowed. I curious to who the LEO was. I know quite a few of them.

[DynoDon]

[QUOTE=1badchevelle;721301]In Ca we are allowed 30%tint. Which this is.

Not sure where you got that idea but it is not true. The Federal Standard is 30% but California is 12%! Here is the Vehicle code statute, you will see it is a little confusing but look at sub (1). Also notice (4) about certificate of legality.


(1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88 percent.
(2) The window glazing with the material applied meets all requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49 C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as specified in that federal standard.
(3) The material is designed and manufactured to enhance the ability of the existing window glass to block the sun's harmful ultraviolet A rays.
(4) The driver has in his or her possession, or within the vehicle, a certificate signed by the installing company certifying that the windows with the material installed meet the requirements of this subdivision and the certificate identifies the installing company and the material’s manufacturer by full name and street address, or, if the material was installed by the vehicle owner, a certificate signed by the material’s manufacturer certifying that the windows with the material installed according to manufacturer’s instructions ( )3 meet the requirements of this subdivision and the certificate identifies the material’s manufacturer by full name and street address.

[dadto2jays]

Thats BS that he profiled you like that...

[1badchevelle]

[QUOTE=1badchevelle;721301]In Ca we are allowed 30%tint. Which this is.

Not sure where you got that idea but it is not true. The Federal Standard is 30% but California is 12%! Here is the Vehicle code statute, you will see it is a little confusing but look at sub (1). Also notice (4) about certificate of legality.


(1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88 percent.
(2) The window glazing with the material applied meets all requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49 C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as specified in that federal standard.
(3) The material is designed and manufactured to enhance the ability of the existing window glass to block the sun's harmful ultraviolet A rays.
(4) The driver has in his or her possession, or within the vehicle, a certificate signed by the installing company certifying that the windows with the material installed meet the requirements of this subdivision and the certificate identifies the installing company and the material’s manufacturer by full name and street address, or, if the material was installed by the vehicle owner, a certificate signed by the material’s manufacturer certifying that the windows with the material installed according to manufacturer’s instructions ( )3 meet the requirements of this subdivision and the certificate identifies the material’s manufacturer by full name and street address.


Hmmm In CA it must allow 70% of VLT

California Tint Law Enacted: 1999
HOW DARK CAN WINDOW TINT BE IN CALIFORNIA?
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Darkness of tint is measured by Visible Light Transmission percentage (VLT%). In California, this percentage refers to percentage of visible light allowed in through the combination of film and the window.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/clear-1.gif WindshieldNon-reflective tint is allowed on the top 4 inches of the windshield. Front Side WindowsMust allow more than 70% of light in.Back Side WindowsAny darkness can be used.Rear WindowAny darkness can be used. HOW REFLECTIVE CAN THE TINT BE IN CALIFORNIA?
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Similar to sunglass lenses, some tinting film contain metallic elements that help in reflecting incoming light and reducing the glare and heat generated by visible light.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/clear-1.gif Front Side WindowsMust not be more reflective than a standard window.Back Side WindowsMust not be more reflective than a standard window. OTHER CALIFORNIA RULES AND REGULATIONS
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/clear-1.gif Restricted ColorsThe tint color(s) of RED AMBER BLUE are not legal by state law. Side MirrorsDual side mirrors are required if back window is tinted. Certificate RequirementsManufacturers of film do NOT need to certify the film they sell in the state. Sticker RequirementsNo sticker to identify legal tinting is required. Medical ExemptionState law does NOT allow medical exemptions that would allow you use special tint.

[DynoDon]

[QUOTE=DynoDon;721344]


Hmmm In CA it must allow 70% of VLT

California Tint Law Enacted: 1999
HOW DARK CAN WINDOW TINT BE IN CALIFORNIA?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/clear-1.gif
Darkness of tint is measured by Visible Light Transmission percentage (VLT%). In California, this percentage refers to percentage of visible light allowed in through the combination of film and the window.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/clear-1.gif WindshieldNon-reflective tint is allowed on the top 4 inches of the windshield. Front Side WindowsMust allow more than 70% of light in.Back Side WindowsAny darkness can be used.Rear WindowAny darkness can be used. HOW REFLECTIVE CAN THE TINT BE IN CALIFORNIA?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/clear-1.gif
Similar to sunglass lenses, some tinting film contain metallic elements that help in reflecting incoming light and reducing the glare and heat generated by visible light.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/clear-1.gif Front Side WindowsMust not be more reflective than a standard window.Back Side WindowsMust not be more reflective than a standard window. OTHER CALIFORNIA RULES AND REGULATIONS
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/clear-1.gif Restricted ColorsThe tint color(s) of RED AMBER BLUE are not legal by state law. Side MirrorsDual side mirrors are required if back window is tinted. Certificate RequirementsManufacturers of film do NOT need to certify the film they sell in the state. Sticker RequirementsNo sticker to identify legal tinting is required. Medical ExemptionState law does NOT allow medical exemptions that would allow you use special tint.

It would appear that there is conflicting opinions. I quoted Ca Vehicle Code section 26708. Where did you get your info? It would be nice to know which is right, and if there are conflicting laws on the books neither is valid!

[SSMuscle]

Been there and done this

[1badchevelle]

26708. (a) (1) A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any
object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied
upon the windshield or side or rear windows.
(2) A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any object or
material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied in or upon
the vehicle that obstructs or reduces the driver's clear view
through the windshield or side windows.
(3) This subdivision applies to a person driving a motor vehicle
with the driver's clear vision through the windshield, or side or
rear windows, obstructed by snow or ice.
(b) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Rearview mirrors.
(2) Adjustable nontransparent sunvisors that are mounted forward
of the side windows and are not attached to the glass.
(3) Signs, stickers, or other materials that are displayed in a
7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed
from the driver, signs, stickers, or other materials that are
displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the rear window
farthest removed from the driver, or signs, stickers, or other
materials that are displayed in a 5-inch square in the lower corner
of the windshield nearest the driver.
(4) Side windows that are to the rear of the driver.
(5) Direction, destination, or terminus signs upon a passenger
common carrier motor vehicle or a schoolbus, if those signs do not
interfere with the driver's clear view of approaching traffic.
(6) Rear window wiper motor.
(7) Rear trunk lid handle or hinges.
(8) The rear window or windows, if the motor vehicle is equipped
with outside mirrors on both the left- and right-hand sides of the
vehicle that are so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the
highway through each mirror for a distance of at least 200 feet to
the rear of the vehicle.
(9) A clear, transparent lens affixed to the side window opposite
the driver on a vehicle greater than 80 inches in width and that
occupies an area not exceeding 50 square inches of the lowest corner
toward the rear of that window and that provides the driver with a
wide-angle view through the lens.
(10) Sun screening devices meeting the requirements of Section
26708.2 installed on the side windows on either side of the vehicle's
front seat, if the driver or a passenger in the front seat has in
his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed
physician and surgeon certifying that the person must be shaded from
the sun due to a medical condition, or has in his or her possession
a letter or other document signed by a licensed optometrist
certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a
visual condition. The devices authorized by this paragraph shall not
be used during darkness.
(11) An electronic communication device affixed to the center
uppermost portion of the interior of a windshield within an area that
is not greater than 5 inches square, if the device provides either
of the following:
(A) The capability for enforcement facilities of the Department of
the California Highway Patrol to communicate with a vehicle equipped
with the device.
(B) The capability for electronic toll and traffic management on
public or private roads or facilities.
(12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be
mounted in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield
farthest removed from the driver or in a 5-inch square in the lower
corner of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an
airbag deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
(c) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), transparent material may be
installed, affixed, or applied to the topmost portion of the
windshield if the following conditions apply:
(1) The bottom edge of the material is at least 29 inches above
the undepressed driver's seat when measured from a point 5 inches in
front of the bottom of the backrest with the driver's seat in its
rearmost and lowermost position with the vehicle on a level surface.
(2) The material is not red or amber in color.
(3) There is no opaque lettering on the material and any other
lettering does not affect primary colors or distort vision through
the windshield.
(4) The material does not reflect sunlight or headlight glare into
the eyes of occupants of oncoming or following vehicles to any
greater extent than the windshield without the material.
(d) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), clear, colorless, and
transparent material may be installed, affixed, or applied to the
front side windows, located to the immediate left and right of the
front seat if the following conditions are met:
(1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88
percent.
(2) The window glazing with the material applied meets all
requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49
C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance
of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as
specified in that federal standard.
(3) The material is designed and manufactured to enhance the
ability of the existing window glass to block the sun's harmful
ultraviolet A rays.
(4) The driver has in his or her possession, or within the
vehicle, a certificate signed by the installing company certifying
that the windows with the material installed meet the requirements of
this subdivision and the certificate identifies the installing
company and the material's manufacturer by full name and street
address, or, if the material was installed by the vehicle owner, a
certificate signed by the material's manufacturer certifying that the
windows with the material installed according to manufacturer's
instructions meet the requirements of this subdivision and the
certificate identifies the material's manufacturer by full name and
street address.
(5) If the material described in this subdivision tears or
bubbles, or is otherwise worn to prohibit clear vision, it shall be
removed or replaced.


26708.5. (a) No person shall place, install, affix, or apply any
transparent material upon the windshield, or side or rear windows, of
any motor vehicle if the material alters the color or reduces the
light transmittance of the windshield or side or rear windows, except
as provided in subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of Section 26708.
(b) Tinted safety glass may be installed in a vehicle if (1) the
glass complies with motor vehicle safety standards of the United
States Department of Transportation for safety glazing materials, and
(2) the glass is installed in a location permitted by those
standards for the particular type of glass used.



V.C. Section 26708 (d) (2) states "The window glazing with the material applied meets all requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49 C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as specified in that federal standard." as of the date of this post... Which says that drivers must allow 70% of light into the front two windows, meaning that we can have tint up to 30% :-)

[DynoDon]

V.C. Section 26708 (d) (2) states "The window glazing with the material applied meets all requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49 C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as specified in that federal standard." as of the date of this post... Which says that drivers must allow 70% of light into the front two windows, meaning that we can have tint up to 30% :-)
The contradictory part is (d) where it states (1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88 percent.
When a law is contradictory it many times will be considered unenforceable, in which case you might be able to get the ticket thrown out at it is not clear as to the intent of the law. Although the 88 percent would work against you the conflicting portions of (1) and (2) could work for you.

[1badchevelle]

The contradictory part is (d) where it states (1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88 percent.
When a law is contradictory it many times will be considered unenforceable, in which case you might be able to get the ticket thrown out at it is not clear as to the intent of the law. Although the 88 percent would work against you the conflicting portions of (1) and (2) could work for you.

I will let you know later today.

[rich_fbodySS]

I have been pulled over in CA for having my rear window tinted, even though I have two side mirrors and no tint on the fronts.
When I told the officer It's legal to have the rear tinted with two outside mirrors, he said, OK , then I'll just write you up for no seat belt (which I took off to get my wallet out after pulling over!)

(also, I'm a very pale caucasian)

-Rich-

[DarkBuddha]

Maybe dark tint is the issue, but maybe it's not. In any case, I think more people find racial profiling more acceptable than they're willing to admit publicly. I'm not accusing anyone specifically, but I do hope if you're one of those people that you're self-conscious enough to be critical of it and recognize that perpetuating such feelings serves no other purpose than to separate and define oneself from the rest of humanity. That is a sad and pathetic way to distinguish one's self... I'd rather have people distinguish themselves with aspiration and accomplishment.

[mc84_zz4]

Over here we have calendar profiling, the last 7-10 days of the month, they will pull you over for anything.
Don't give them the satisfaction: no burnt-out turn signals, no loud mufflers, no booming stereo next to the cop car, no baseball cap turned backwards, no agressive driving, no switching lanes right before a stoplight, no eye contact, scrape off the boy-racer stickers, negative political bumper stickers, etc, etc.

[406 Q-ship]

(1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88
percent.
(2) The window glazing with the material applied meets all
requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49
C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance
of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as
specified in that federal standard.
(3) The material is designed and manufactured to enhance the
ability of the existing window glass to block the sun's harmful
ultraviolet A rays.
(4) The driver has in his or her possession, or within the
vehicle, a certificate signed by the installing company certifying
that the windows with the material installed meet the requirements of
this subdivision and the certificate identifies the installing
company and the material's manufacturer by full name and street
address, or, if the material was installed by the vehicle owner, a
certificate signed by the material's manufacturer certifying that the
windows with the material installed according to manufacturer's
instructions meet the requirements of this subdivision and the
certificate identifies the material's manufacturer by full name and
street address.
(5) If the material described in this subdivision tears or
bubbles, or is otherwise worn to prohibit clear vision, it shall be
removed or replaced.


Fabian here is where they are going to hammer you. It is more than the 30%, it would also be to the AS-14 glazing arbasive standard and you would have to carry the proof as called out in the Vehicle Code. I think the cop was on your butt because of why are you in Downey comment. Like there are no Hispanics in Downey. :rolleyes:

[MrQuick]

If I were to get a ticket or get pulled over I would have expected to be for the front lic plate.

DOH....my point is why even give them a reason to pull you over???:pat:
are you certain about that tint on the front door glass. My understanding is its only if it was factory tint. edit...sorry didn't see the mc's listed but Im pretty sure it only applies only factory installed.

I've had a shaved head for years and never been rolled. :)

I don't think your being racist.
Vince

[chicane67]

Window tint is a "SECONDARY OFFENSE."

They cannot pull you over for your window tint alone. There has to be a primary VC offense. If you get pulled over... roll your front windows down all the way... an LEO cannot make you roll up your front widows to check... as a primary VC offense.

We deal with this in Nevada all the time. I know tons of heads that roll with 35% on the front windshields !! Is it legal ?? No. Is it enforced... well that depends.

In Ca... its 70% VLT. If they pulled you over for tint alone... you can get away with it by the process of the law itself. If not... its revenue generation for the state and/or local government... and the tint will have to be removed. Its pretty much going to have to be removed.. unless you find someone to "write it off" for you.

The CHP is the regulating entity... however, any LEO can site you for their opinion... which will need the CHP's final inspection for any adjudication in the "opinion."

Interesting enough... the CHP law seems to read that: "The windshield and front driver's side and passenger's side windows cannot receive any aftermarket tinting."

That is contradicting the DMV law, which supersedes the 'enforcing entity."

This is something that you can fight... but its futile. It leans toward the "inconvenience" boundary which is nothing more than to create revenue.

[The WidowMaker]

They cannot pull you over for your window tint alone. There has to be a primary VC offense.

but wearing your seatbelt is a primary offense, and if they cant see that its on, thats all they need. i believe the windows being up then rolled down also falls under the "plain sight doctrine". once they see it, they have the right to search which would include rolling your windows back up whether you want them to or not.

i walk up to a lot of cars with my job, and i can tell you the cops are correct in not wanting tint on the windows. id go as far to say that passengers should be visible through all windows. its scary as crap, especially at night. at least they have guns.

[1badchevelle]

DOH....my point is why even give them a reason to pull you over???:pat:


I don't think your being racist.
Vince

Yeh I know. But I will get that fixed this weekend.


Thanks Vince. I dont think I said anything to make it sound racist

"Figures. Bald Mexican in a Escalade gets pulled over.( yes I know I asked for it)"

that its funny to me. We have to many short minded people that will jump to the negative and not see the humor.
Like I said before I do not mind being profiled in any way nor pulled over for their and my own safety I encourage and support it. To me the inconvenience is a small price to pay. I do not agree when it becomes a financial obligation when I know I was lied as to the reason I was pulled over.

[Flash68]

Window tint is a "SECONDARY OFFENSE."

They cannot pull you over for your window tint alone. There has to be a primary VC offense. If you get pulled over... roll your front windows down all the way... an LEO cannot make you roll up your front widows to check... as a primary VC offense.

We deal with this in Nevada all the time. I know tons of heads that roll with 35% on the front windshields !! Is it legal ?? No. Is it enforced... well that depends.

In Ca... its 70% VLT. If they pulled you over for tint alone... you can get away with it by the process of the law itself. If not... its revenue generation for the state and/or local government... and the tint will have to be removed. Its pretty much going to have to be removed.. unless you find someone to "write it off" for you.

The CHP is the regulating entity... however, any LEO can site you for their opinion... which will need the CHP's final inspection for any adjudication in the "opinion."

Interesting enough... the CHP law seems to read that: "The windshield and front driver's side and passenger's side windows cannot receive any aftermarket tinting."

That is contradicting the DMV law, which supersedes the 'enforcing entity."

This is something that you can fight... but its futile. It leans toward the "inconvenience" boundary which is nothing more than to create revenue.

I have been pulled over and given fix-it tickets for side window tint twice in the last 2 years in Calif, both by CHP. Once in Socal and one in Norcal.

I am just happy I have several cop buddies for their signatures. But, it does get quite annoying and I no longer have any tint on my current vehicles.

[1badchevelle]

I think at this point its a non issue the escalade was stolen this morning while at Walmart picking up some dog food. I am F@cking pissed off.

[SLO_Z28]

I think at this point its a non issue the escalade was stolen this morning while at Walmart picking up some dog food. I am F@cking pissed off.

Youll get it back without your wheels within 48 hours, or without a lot more within 72.


CVC26708(a) ALLOWS FOR NO TINT ON THE FRONT WINDOWS!

Get that in your head.


(d) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), clear, colorless, and transparent material may be installed



There is so much bad info on the internet. You cant tint your front windows with anything that has any color at all. It doesn't matter that its legal in Nevada, its illegal in California where you got the ticket.

[Mathius]

http://www.tintcenter.com/laws/

Wow. This is totally coincidental because I got ticketed for window tint just within the last couple weeks and have to go to court on the 29th.

I got pulled over for being on my cell phone. I was right in front of my apartment, pulling into the parking lot and you would think I would be able to get off with a warning, but I technically did break the law. Cop pulls me over and comes to my passenger side window, which I roll down.

He says to me, roll the window up some. So I crack it a bit... more he says. (notice how cops don't feel the need to use the word please?). He sticks some kind of box on the window. At this point I have no idea what it is. Camera or something? My dad is supposed to pick me up for dinner. The cop is blocking traffic with his squad car and of course tells me to wait and goes back to his vehicle.

He comes back and hands me a ticket for window tint being 30% and cell phone use. Cell phone $115. Window Tint $155. Here's the part that pisses me off. I didn't put tint on my truck. I bought it that way from a Certified Chevy used dealer.. I tell the cop this and he says, "I don't know that." Guess what officer? I don't know your little box is working correctly, or that the batteries are good, or that you even know how to use it, or are telling me the truth?

Of course I did not say that to him.

But you know what else? This guy was behind me when he pulled me over.

This guy was in your typical squad car.. Whatever they're using these days.. taurus? Don't know. I'm in a full size Chevy Silverado (red) extended cab. My truck is 2WD, but it still sits higher than his squad car. I have a tool box in the back. It's the tallest one I could find. Fits a 5 gallon bucket inside it. It also has rails on the top of it that can be used as tie downs... My rear window is tinted darker than my front windows which is what the violation was for. He has to see an extra 3 feet because of the extended cab, into the front seat to see me on the cell phone.

It takes a lot of balls to give someone a ticket because you saw them on their cell phone and then claim their windows are too dark to see in.

But then if I wasn't sure the cop was a **** when he pulled me over for using a cell phone right in front of my apartment, I was CERTAIN he was a **** when he said to me, "Some officers will tell you that as long as they can see through the windows it's ok, but that's not how the law is written."

BTW, to the OP, window tint comes off quite easily with a razor blade, the glue is what is hard to get off. I found this product works great:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/2281326486_e9a7924b91-1.jpg

Very little odor and the glue wipes off easily. I used the regular blue, disposable shop towels that you can buy at any auto parts store. The only downside is it is a bit messy. The glue seems to dry out instantly when you rub it out with this stuff, and it flakes off like dandruff.

Mathius

[1badchevelle]

I guess the irony in this is that I was b!tching about the tint and now I have no truck. Now that is some funny *****

The bad part is this is what happen to my wifes car last week. So now we have no cars and no $$$.

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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/IMAG0040-1.jpg

[The WidowMaker]

dude...... that f-ing blows..... hopefully they will recover it and you have good insurance.

[MrQuick]

WTF??? holy cow....glad no one was injured but that sucks. keep your head up Fabian.

Vince

[406 Q-ship]

I guess the irony in this is that I was b!tching about the tint and now I have no truck. Now that is some funny *****

The bad part is this is what happen to my wifes car last week. So now we have no cars and no $$$.

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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/IMAG0040-1.jpg

That is the balljoint problem that Toyota got hammered with a few years ago. Fabian I would try to contact Toyota to see if there is some kind of remuniation for the damage. Sorry to hear about your streak of bad luck.

[John Wright]

Wow the hits keep on coming....sorry Fabian...hope things start to look up this week, sounds like last week was a bummer. Keep your head up buddy.

[1badchevelle]

Wow the hits keep on coming....sorry Fabian...hope things start to look up this week, sounds like last week was a bummer. Keep your head up buddy.

Thanks John, I can still consider myself lucky since 12-13 years a go I had no place to live and not sure when my next meal was going to be.
I now have a very supportive wife, and 3 wonderfull kids and the end that is was matters. Two weeks ago I had 2 project cars and two daily drivers, now I have 4 cars and all four are projects. HAHA.


on a side note the escalade was recovered at 8 pm today and sitting on my driveway. Will need some work as there was some damage and missing items.

[zbugger]

...on a side note the escalade was recovered at 8 pm today and sitting on my driveway. Will need some work as there was some damage and missing items.
Glad to see you got the ride back. I really hope there was limited damage. Missing items, huh? Like, say, a pair of tinted windows? :spank2: lol.. Just kidding. I hope it wasn't anything you couldn't replace.

[MonzaRacer]

Used to be the "paper" used on most licenses had a light transmission of 90+ and this was used by properly trained cops to place license on inside of window, if officer could read at as distance of 2 ft it was considered "legal" then they buy "boxes" to test some of which have a light half life and need to be calibrated periodically, so the shipped with "factory tinted glass pieces with limo tint 5% ,10%, 30% and 70%.
Now they are supposed to write the correcting factor(ie what diff was from reading to test pieces) in grease pencil. and were sold as to be able to PROVE at time of ticket if it was legal or not reading.
I have issues with some cops who let badge go to their heads. Most are great.
Heck my buddy drives a Crown Vic with factory tinted windows, he had police interceptor model,,,, got pulled over and was told to peel the tint off.
He is escorted to cop car, then he proceeds t oshow cop window sticker, cop just starts screaming at him, he stands up to cop as he was a Marine Recon officer, puts on drill Sargent face/voice. Cops TRIES to grab him and he just stands there.
Not resisting, his daughter has video cam in back window filming.
He then has cop finally get one hand cuffed to cruiser brush guard. calls more cops.
Anyway, one of new cops is old marine buddy of his. Heck he is already out of cuffs, first cop is screaming and yelling.
My friend shows other cops window sticker, points to cop car window being SAME tint.
original cops on radio screaming and yelling, gets told to lay off and come back in.
He still wrote several tickets handed them to my friend, which all got thrown out.
Havent seen that guy again.
His wife drive a Marauder and has same windows, she id 5 ft tall red head, she told 6 ft 3 cop to TRY and pull tint off.
Cop scratched drivers window up real bad and had to buy them new one!
Some cops suck, and a simple lawyer deciphering the laws for you might give you some clout.
Congrats at getting truck back.
Hope Toy gets fixed cheap. Dodge Durangos do the same thing.